=== nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === paul__ is now known as Elbrus [01:12] I think the Importance of the bug should be set to Wishlist Bug #307724 [01:12] Launchpad bug 307724 in gksu "gksu should complain about missing applications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307724 [01:27] Hey guys. I've dealt with the Edgy SRU bugs in the past when it became unsupported, and I've just had a user ask if I could do the same for Feisty now that it is unsupported as well. I just wanted to make it known here first to make sure this is still ok, before I go and ping over 100 bugs :-) === ajmorris is now known as the-morris [01:44] should feature requests be pointed towards https://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureSpecifications I have found conflicting advice on the wiki. [01:51] duanedesign: If it's a small thing that could be added fairly easily, it should be a wishlist bug. If it's a big deal to implement, it should be a blueprint. Brainstorm is for just that, brainstorming. What is the feature request? [01:54] I have found a couple over the course of the day. the latest one was bug# 307724 [01:55] I am new to triage so finding feature request is something I can "handle" so I want to make sure that in the future I am directing people to the right resource [01:57] Hew: I noticed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks under How to deal with Feature Requests there are a couple of sites that it suggest be mentioned. Should those be mentioned in addition to the brainstorm site? === Knightlust is now known as Igorot [02:00] duanedesign: That page deals with bug triage, so for already reported bugs that are non-trivial feature requests, they should be written as a specification (aka. blueprint). The advice on that page is correct, I don't think brainstorm needs to be added there, it serves a different purpose. [02:02] duanedesign: So if a bug has been reported that is requesting some massive change, you should suggest to the reporter that they read those pages and become familiar with specifications. [02:03] so trivial changes brainstorm and massive changes the specification route [02:05] duanedesign: No, brainstorm is something separate. [02:05] duanedesign: trivial changes are fine as wishlist bugs [02:06] duanedesign: Is this a feature you have in mind, or a bug you are triaging? [02:08] Hew: in the wiki under how to triage it has a standard reply under dealing with feature requests: Since what you submitted is a Feature Request to improve Ubuntu, you are invited to post your idea in Ubuntu Brainstorm [02:11] duanedesign: I suppose it depends on what the feature is. I haven't actually seen that response used before. [02:12] ok thank you for the help [02:12] I am understanding a bit better as I re read your replies [02:12] duanedesign: No worries, I only hope I was actually helpful :P [02:12] definetly [02:13] off to hunt more bugs [02:13] nice :-) [03:56] I think the Importance of the bugs should be set to Wishlist Bug #307797 and bug # 307724 [03:56] Launchpad bug 307797 in gnome-media "visual feedback for volume control" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307797 [04:15] I think the Importance of the bugs should be set to Wishlist Bug #307796 [04:15] Launchpad bug 307796 in fglrx-installer "fglrx-kernel-source should depend on gcc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307796 === the-morris is now known as ajmorris [04:36] duanedesign: Feel free to triage those bugs as usual, you can just leave the importance for a member of Bug Control to change later. [04:42] Hew: So I should just leave a comment introducing them to the blueprint process [04:42] unless it is a trivial feature request, then I would just leave it alone [04:46] here is a link to one that I have done. Let me know if you think this is appropriate. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/307797 [04:46] Launchpad bug 307797 in gnome-media "visual feedback for volume control" [Undecided,New] [04:47] if its a trivial wishlist bug, you can come here and leave a message asking that it be set to wishlist [04:48] maco: That's already been asked, I was saying it should still be triaged as usual. [04:48] duanedesign: Well bug 307797 I don't think needs to have a blueprint, but it needs some clarification as to what the user is requesting. Do they want an option to play a test sound through a specific channel? Are they familiar with speaker-test? Maybe they want something along those lines. [04:48] Launchpad bug 307797 in gnome-media "visual feedback for volume control" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307797 [04:58] I think the Importance of the bugs should be set to Wishlist Bug #307715 [04:58] Launchpad bug 307715 in ufw "ufw should support a quiet option" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307715 [04:59] I think the Importance of the bugs should be set to Wishlist Bug #307684 [04:59] Launchpad bug 307684 in transmission "Transmission should not verify all data when restarted after forced exit by logout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307684 === ropetin_ is now known as ropetin === r0bby is now known as Guest11315 === Hurtz_ is now known as Hurtz [10:34] Hello all again [10:35] I am still unable to setup the VPN connection to a PPTP server!! I installed again Ubuntu 8.10 32 bits, so this is a brand new installation; I installed network-manager-pptp and pptp-linux pakets, I configured a new VPN connection, I restarted Ubuntu, but while trying to conenct I get again: "Connection Failed", This is reallly a CRAP [10:36] Can anyone help me, this was working perfectly before Interdipd came up, now I can't use Ubuntu to work, since I can't access my work place [10:46] Any help with this anoying bug? [10:49] hi [10:51] i'm trying to understand how to help with bug triaging and making a translation of your great tutorial in french, and i have a question, am i on the right chan for this? [10:52] I just want to use Ubuntu to work as I used before intrepid, but NOW I CANT, VPN connection: "Connection FAILED" [10:55] YoBoY: you are, but there probably aren't many people around on a sunday morning [10:55] ^^ [10:56] well it's near 12h here :p i forgot this little time différence [10:56] i'll ask later :) [10:56] YoBoY: there's also #ubuntu-translators [10:56] Sundays are always quiet [10:57] also last week was UDS, a lot of people probably won't be back in action until monday [10:57] randomaction: it's not the translation the problem but the comprehension of the process ^^ [10:59] it's the part in Confirming the bugs, where the triager have to change the "Assigned to" field to "Nobody", i don't understand why :p [11:00] YoBoY: if the bug is assigned to you it means you are actively working on it [11:01] by setting it to triaged and unassigning the triager you are telling the developer that it is ready for them to try and find a fix [11:01] ok :) perfect [11:01] otherwise the developer will see the triager assigned and think they intend to fix the bug themselves [11:02] i add a note in my translation to explain this :) tanks [11:02] no problem [11:03] Can anyone please help me with VPN connection? [11:03] I have been trying to solve this for weeks [11:04] This is a deadend, that's my filling using UBuntu/Linux, you cant find official help, and on IRC you have to be lucky... [11:05] bye, see you soon ^^ [11:06] https://shop.canonical.com/support.php <-- if that's not official I'm not sure what is. [11:07] whateve [11:13] I won't get anything staying here... [13:31] Hi. I think the bug #247758 should be set to "wishlist" but I'm not 100% sure. Can somebody please have a look at it? [13:31] Launchpad bug 247758 in gnome-panel "GNOME clock: No multiple time zones" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247758 [14:04] !ping [14:04] ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore [14:23] Hi. I think the bug #247758 should be set to "wishlist" but I'm not 100% sure. Can somebody please have a look at it? [14:23] Launchpad bug 247758 in gnome-panel "GNOME clock: No multiple time zones" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247758 [14:29] MrKanister, done [14:35] Rocket2DMn: Thank you [15:40] bug #277924 can someone please let me know if its ready for triage? [15:40] Launchpad bug 277924 in linux "kernel cannot find map file" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277924 === WelshDragon is now known as Guest73482 [17:21] Hello, I would like to report a bug, but I'm not sure against what package. When using the DarkRoom theme, filezilla becomes unusable because the file listing controls use almost the same color for background and text. [17:52] ubuntu-artwork === Lutin_ is now known as Lutin [18:06] thanks. [18:17] np, you can filled it against filezilla too, in some cases the bug is present in the software (don't take the color from the right parameter) which bug # is it? [18:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-artwork/+bug/307910 [18:23] Launchpad bug 307910 in ubuntu-artwork "filezilla becomes unusable with DarkRoom theme" [Undecided,New] [18:24] ouch, that attachment is huge, let me replace it [18:28] done [18:43] perfect, [18:44] just found the existing bug for that issue at launchpad and upstream [18:44] it seems to be an issue with wxwidgets. [18:44] reflected in mozilla [18:44] check bug #284755 [18:44] Launchpad bug 284755 in wxwidgets2.8 "Filezilla and the New Human Theme" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/284755 [18:49] http://trac.filezilla-project.org/ticket/3876 [19:06] I see, thanks [19:46] how can i find why a module wasn't included in intrepid? [19:47] i mean in hardy the module was in linux-ubuntu-modules [19:47] now that package is nonexistant, as far as i know everything moved into linux-image.. [19:55] Hi there [20:01] hi === asac_ is now known as asac [21:36] asac: is NM *supposed* to stay connected to my wireless when I plug in an ethernet cable, or is it a bug that it is currently connected on *both* interfaces? [21:40] known bug I think [21:43] ohok [21:43] I know there is a known bug about issues when you have wired and wireless connected [21:43] not sure of specifics as I haven't dealt with it [21:51] ok [21:52] i was gonna test intrepid's iwl3945 with WEP (he asked me to before) and then dd-wrt locked when i told it to make another interface for WEP, and then i connected wired and now i cant get to the router through the wired connection because of this [21:54] well that is lame === Guest73482 is now known as WelshDragon [22:30] salve a tutti [22:31] xubuntusdi: #ubuntu-it [22:35] ciao maco so di ubuntu-it ma questo è il canale dei bugs? [22:37] oh um...:( [22:37] !it [22:37] Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (click col tasto destro sul nome del canale per entrare) [22:38] hello MACO are aware of the channel ubuntu-it but this is the channel of bugs? [22:38] Excuse me [22:38] Non penso che ci sia una scanalatura dell'insetto per italiano. Abbiamo appena questo, ma usiamo solitamente l'inglese. E sto usando il Internet per tradurre questo. [22:39] I wanted to participate segnalezione some bugs :\ :p [22:40] I wanted to participate to report some bugs [22:40] bug reports are supposed to be done in english. but if you pair up with an english-speaker in #ubuntu-it (ex: LjL), you can get your bug translated [22:40] bugs go on http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu [22:44] xubuntusdi: hai bisogno? [22:47] yes but it has taken me not to post to this channel [22:47] xubuntusdi: per un minuto possiamo fare un'eccezione, penso [22:48] especially in Italian [22:48] :D [22:48] xubuntusdi: that's why i told LjL to visit. he speaks italian. [22:51] xubuntusdi, quindi dimmi pure, se posso ti aiuto, se non posso traduco per gli altri [22:52] problemi con scheda wifi ipn2220 , dopo un testing di un anno sulle versioni 7.04 7.10 ho notato che ndiswrapper... [22:53] non viene scritto in modprobe [22:53] xubuntusdi: ok, di wireless ne so poco o niente, so giusto che ndiswrapper server per usare i driver di windows [22:53] anche se edito manualmente non ne vuole sapere di avviarsi all'avvio [22:54] xubuntusdi: ma in qualche modo alla fine riesci a caricarlo? [22:54] tipo con modprobe? [22:54] con 8.04 e 8.10 il problema sembra l'abbiano risolto solo in ubuntu ma non xubuntu [22:55] xubuntusdi: mi sembrerebbe strano però, se ho capito bene si tratta semplicemente di moduli del kernel... che differenza dovrebbe esserci tra ubuntu e xubuntu? [22:55] il problema che malgrado la modifica del network-manager il dchpclient non và più [22:56] credo che sia il solito problema di ubuntu che ha con il protocollo wpa [22:56] o con rete fastweb?? [22:58] xubuntusdi: fastweb non vedo che possa entrarci, sul WPA ammetto che non so niente [22:58] inquanto fatica a connettersi e dopo pochi intanti si disconnette, con la possibilità che non si riconnetta più [22:58] xubuntusdi: ma xubuntu usa network manager? [22:58] si [22:59] purtroppo non capisco perchè continuino a mettercelo invece di wicd [22:59] xubuntusdi: senti, fammi una ricapitolazione [23:00] xubuntusdi: descrivimi il problema e su che sistemi l'hai avuto come se io non ne sapessi assolutamente niente [23:00] cmq adesso come dicevo prima denoto un problema (e pure grosso) di dhcpclient [23:00] (cosa non molto lontana dalla realtà) [23:01] ok [23:02] devi sapere che la scheda wifi con chip ipn2220 e un STR.... [23:02] infatti funziona solo con driver di windws [23:04] quindi si è costretti ad usare ndiswrapper per farla funzionare, purtroppo però non sempre ubuntu memorizza nel modprobe l'avvio automatico del driver della scheda [23:05] quindi la maggior parte delle volte bignona avviarla da terminale [23:06] dicevo che questo problema con la versione 8.10 sembra l'abbiano risolto su ubutnu ma xubuntu no [23:06] xubuntusdi: ok, primo, per avviarla da terminale come fai? secondo, dove hai letto/sentito che su ubuntu è risolto? (se c'è già un bug aperto, sarebbe meglio sfruttarlo) [23:07] in più con le nuove versioni ho problemi a stabilire il collegamento con il mio ruter di fastweb sembra che c sia un bug nel dhcpclient non credi? [23:08] quindi? [23:09] sfruttarlo? [23:09] xubuntusdi, quindi rispondi alla domanda, primo :) [23:09] ok [23:12] depmod -a [23:12] ndiswrapper -m [23:13] xubuntusdi: uhm, è necessario anche il depmod -a se no non va? :o [23:15] e infine modprobe ndiswrapper [23:16] a questo punto la scheda parte [23:16] ma dopo il riavvio è come se non avessi fatto niente [23:16] devo ripetere tutto [23:16] capito [23:17] xubuntusdi: faccio un riassuntino in inglese per gli altri e poi cerco se c'è già qualcosa su launchpad, ok? [23:17] ok [23:18] xubuntusdi has a wifi card with IPN2220 chip, which needs ndiswrapper to work, but most of the times the driver isn't loaded automatically when Ubuntu is started [23:18] so most of the time it has to be started manually from the terminal [23:18] it "seems" that the problem has been solved on Intrepid / Ubuntu, but not Xubuntu [23:18] (this probably deserves a search on the bug reports) [23:18] to load it manually, it's depmod -a ; ndiswrapper -m ; modprobe ndiswrapper [23:24] the other thing is that when it does connect, it disconnects very easily - he thinks there might be a (separate?) problem with dhcpclient [23:25] disconnects are not dhclient's fault. that's just driver instability [23:25] it's probably losing packets [23:26] that makes network manager think its disconnected, and then it starts over trying to reconnect [23:28] xubuntusdi: maco dice che le disconnessioni non sono colpa di dhclient, è semplicemente il driver che è instabile, probabilmente perde dei pacchetti. per questo motivo network manager pensa di essersi disconnesso e riprova a connettersi da capo [23:29] quindi cosa faccio [23:30] xubuntusdi: be' visto che sei qui, suppongo che l'intenzione fosse di segnalare un bug? [23:31] si infatti [23:32] cosa mi consigli di fare? [23:34] that seems a bit odd, really. Are you certain it's not a race condition? [23:34] xubuntusdi: fammi fumare una sigaretta poi ti preparo un bug report e te lo metto in pastebin [23:34] crimsun, i hope you're asking maco, because i haven't the slighest idea how to translate "race condition" ;P [23:34] Do we have dmesgs and /var/log/daemon.logs from Ubuntu 8.10 and Xubuntu 8.10 to compare? [23:34] anche a me LjL [23:35] mi devo spostare per qualche minuto [23:35] devo fumare fuori [23:35] crimsun: not from me, i'm on Hardy, i'll tell him to get his Xubuntu ones [23:35] Hey does anyone have the launchpad greasemonkey scripts working in Firefox 3.0.4 ? [23:36] pckchem: yes, but they break the +filebug pages [23:36] xubuntusdi: crimsun dice se puoi prepararci anche un paste di /var/log/daemon.log (magari subito dopo aver connesso la scheda e aspettato che si disconnetta da sola) [23:44] maco: Hmm, well I just got around to installing them since I installed intrepid, but they are not working :( [23:45] pckchem: the stock reply one works fine for me... [23:45] pckchem: the one for showing people's group icons does too [23:47] maco: Hmm.... I'll try to get them to work again. Maybe I installed them wrong... [23:47] maybe restart ff after intalling them [23:48] ok LjL farò così [23:48] mmmm cosi [23:48] lo devo postare quì [23:48] ? [23:48] no, su http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ [23:48] e poi? [23:48] se Konqueror mi si sblocca poi, aiutrebbe [23:50] xubuntusdi: per caso hai dovuto mai mettere in blacklist il modulo "bcm"? [23:50] Maco: wierd. When I loaded them through firefox they work... [23:51] no [23:51] Guess installing them from command line doesn't work right... [23:51] pckchem: how else would you do it [23:51] terminal [23:51] I use the bzr branch to keep current [23:52] Have a cript that copies them from bzr branch to user profile [23:52] nella blacklist ci vanno i driver (moduli) non compatibili per il pc o che nn servono [23:52] en america, "cosí" es l'nome d'un cafe [23:53] pckchem: oh, interesting [23:53] xubuntusdi: lo so, ma siccome avevo trovato un altro bug sul chip ipn2220 in cui il tizio diceva che aveva dovuto mettere quel modulo in blacklist... [23:54] se l'ho metto nella blacklist di sicuro non me l'ho carica all'avvio [23:54] xubuntusdi: qui c'è quello che ho scritto, dimmi se ti suona http://paste.ubuntu.com/85354/ - maco, crimsun too, draft bug report [23:54] ok [23:54] vado