[01:14] <nesys> Hi folks,
[01:14] <nesys> I found on kubuntu 8.10 the same bug as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/278318
[01:15] <nesys> I've tryed to apply patches and new configs, but the problem is unsolved
[01:17] <nesys> with vlc, or mplayer, or another player, when I see a DVD I have every 10 secs a video freeze (audio is ok), and the vlc debug says 'late picture skipped'
[01:17] <nesys> any advice will be appreciated :)
[02:07] <gbear14275> can anyone tell me what types of changes are made to programs before they go to package releases?  I'm just curious what types of changes the azureus people are claiming the ubuntu side does that makes them unable to support azureus on ubuntu?
[02:08] <gbear14275> not looking for details, just generalities and was curious if this was a common thing with all ubuntu program developers
[02:13] <jdong> gbear14275: sigh I can't believe this is coming up again....
[02:14] <jdong> gbear14275: azureus has a serious security vulnerability where local users are allowed to do whatever the hell they want to any instance of azureus running on your system.
[02:14] <jdong> this is a huge problem if you share your computer with multiple users, because I can stop your torrents or even delete them without your authorization.
[02:15] <jdong> we applied a patch that reserves a range of ports for private communications
[02:15] <jdong> upstream doesn't think this is a security problem and doesn't like this patch
[02:15] <jdong> *shrug* I'm pretty tired of arguing with azureus upstream about this stuff.
[02:15] <jdong> they also claim they need to bundle their own SWT GTK libraries rather than using the system ones
[02:16] <jdong> in general, upstreams tend to be able to come up with better reasons for doing thins like this other than, and I quote, "you are a fucking idiot"
[02:16] <jdong> hopefully that answers your question :)
[02:24] <raylu> o.0
[02:25] <jdong> whee good upstream relations!
[02:25] <jdong> I suppose I shouldn't tell them I plan on stripping the Azureus core from the Vuze UI and combine the 2.5.x.x UI with the new core....
[02:25] <jdong> (shhhhhhh THAT'S OUR LITTLE SECRET)
[03:31] <gbear14275> jdong, wasn't questioning the ubuntu actions was just curious if I was standard or not... I trust the ubuntu devs more than the azureus guys, but thank you for the explanation again jdong
[03:31] <gbear14275> I appreciate it
[03:34] <alex_21> I used apt-get source for apt-get source libwebkit-1.0-1"  and it returned an unable to find source package error. What can I do?
[05:05] <alex_21> Hi, I downloaded the source for webkit from the Ubuntu Repository, and untared the tar.gz. Now I ahve a .orig file. Am I doing something wrong. I jsut want to make a change to main.c in the GTKLauncher source that comes in the Webkit source that is on Webkit's site
[05:10] <LaserJock> alex_21: what file did you download? just the .orig.tar.gz file?
[05:10] <LaserJock> apt-get source libwebkit should work, btw
[05:11] <LaserJock> actually, scratch that
[05:12] <LaserJock> apt-get source libwebkit-1.0-1 works here
[05:17] <alex_21> All thesource
[05:17] <alex_21> qith apt-get source
[05:17] <alex_21> And I am on Hardy, not II
[05:20] <alex_21> And actually, I want to modify main.c in the GTKLauncher in the Webkit site's source
[05:21] <LaserJock> alex_21: if you've downloaded the whole source package then there should be an unpacked source tree there
[05:21] <LaserJock> if not run dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[05:22] <alex_21> All I see is a .orig file
[05:23] <LaserJock> alex_21: then you must not have gotten the whole thing
[05:24] <LaserJock> alex_21: there should be a .orig.tar.gz file, a .dsc file, and a .diff.gz file
[05:25] <LaserJock> alex_21: are you sure it's a file? it could be a directory if you untarred it
[05:26] <alex_21> Yes it is a directory
[05:27] <alex_21> Where is the source int question though. In this .orig directory?
[05:27] <LaserJock> alex_21: well, let me ask this, what are you wanting to do in the end?
[05:28] <LaserJock> alex_21: are you wanting to build a new .deb or just wanting to play around with the source or?
[05:33] <alex_21> If you download the source from the Webkit site, there is a GTKLauncher browser they include under WebkitTools directory. I wan't to edit the main.c file for that and repackage it. However if this package can do it, I would love to use it instead
[05:34] <alex_21> I mean, all the .deb stuff is done here
[05:36] <alex_21> I eman the Ubuntu package. If it can be modified like the main.c file can, then I am good to go
[05:41] <alex_21> Is this what you wanted to know?
[05:41] <NCommander> hola world
[05:43] <alex_21> Hola
[05:45] <innovati> ¡hola!
[05:46] <alex_21> ?Hola?
[05:47] <innovati> ¿que?
[05:47] <alex_21> ?Porque estas aki?
[05:47] <alex_21> Lol
[05:47] <innovati> me gusta Ubuntu
[05:48] <alex_21> Esaba Vromiando
[05:48] <alex_21> Lol
[05:48] <alex_21> A mi tambien
[05:49] <LaserJock> alex_21: sorry, got distracted, if you want a .deb in the end you need to get the 3 files I mentioned (.orig.tar.gz, .dsc, .diff.gz)
[05:49] <LaserJock> alex_21: once you do that run dpkg-source -x *.dsc and it should unpack it all
[05:50] <alex_21> Unpack it to where?
[05:50] <alex_21> And is this the normal source
[05:50] <LaserJock> alex_21: in the current directory
[05:51] <alex_21> I modified line 100 and something in the code from Webkit, and need to duplicate this feet
[05:51] <LaserJock> alex_21: the .orig.tar.gz file is the source tarball like what you'd get from the website
[05:51] <alex_21> Oh, Ok
[05:51] <LaserJock> alex_21: the .diff.gz is a diff to that that holds all the Debian/Ubuntu changes
[05:52] <alex_21> Cool, thanks
[05:52] <LaserJock> alex_21: I'd suggest talking to #ubuntu-motu if you have more questions on packaging and how to get a .deb
[05:52] <alex_21> So to make this mod, I can drop the main.c file into the folder and then zip it up and repackage it and it should work?
[05:53] <LaserJock> you don't need to zip it up, we have tools for handling all that
[05:53] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide has lots of info on that type of thing
[05:54] <alex_21> Yeah, but the wiki is huge and my screen reader will take ages to read that
[05:58] <LaserJock> alex_21: short story is: make changes, apt-get builddep webkit, run debuild -us -uc in the source tree (make sure devscripts is installed)
[05:59] <alex_21> Ok, thanks
[05:59] <alex_21> So the .dif file takes care of all the changes?
[05:59] <alex_21> .Diff?
[06:01] <alex_21> And can I just put info from the new source that I got from the site into the .orig directory?
[06:01] <alex_21> Essentially replacing the current source
[06:01] <LaserJock> no
[06:01] <LaserJock> you shouldn't have a .orig folder
[06:01] <alex_21> No to which?
[06:02] <LaserJock> your changes will show up in a new .diff.gz file
[06:02] <alex_21> Well it is webkit--something.orig and is a directory
[06:02] <LaserJock> is the .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz files still there?
[06:02] <alex_21> But this new .diff file will be created for me?
[06:02] <LaserJock> yes
[06:03] <alex_21> Yes, they are still there
[06:03] <LaserJock> then remove the .orgig directory
[06:03] <LaserJock> and run dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[06:03] <alex_21> Why remove it, because that is where all my changes are
[06:04] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:04] <LaserJock> then move it to something like webkit-tmp
[06:04] <alex_21> I haven't ziped it up again yet, I just untarred it, and am making changes to it
[06:05] <LaserJock> that's ok
[06:05] <alex_21> So I am confused, should I, ... what?
[06:05] <LaserJock> mv the directory to webkit-tmp and run dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[06:06] <alex_21> I want to make a .deb package out of the source I just edited
[06:06] <LaserJock> I know
[06:06] <alex_21> Oh, in the webkit-name directory?
[06:06] <alex_21> Webkittmp
[06:06] <LaserJock> but I'm unsure that the source package is properly unpacked
[06:07] <alex_21> I can see all the source files, so is it unpacked?
[06:07] <LaserJock> do you have a new directory?
[06:07] <LaserJock> make sure that there is a debian/ directory within webkit directory
[06:07] <LaserJock> bah, I gotta run for a bit
[06:08] <LaserJock> ask in #ubuntu-motu if you get stuck
[06:08] <alex_21> I moved it
[06:09] <alex_21> Ok
[08:35] <kobazik> can anyone provide me with details how the Ubuntu nightly build is being created? and howto to automate building a whole system from src.deb
[18:06] <philsf> there's a (minor) issue with an archive mirror, who can I get in touch with about it?
[19:12] <n1lo> How can I update to ubuntu unstable or testing?
[19:14] <n1lo> ?
[19:15] <Nafallo> n1lo: user support in #ubuntu
[19:15] <Nafallo> n1lo: for short, you cant, cause they do not exist.
[19:16] <n1lo> how can I use a unstable packages?
[19:17] <Nafallo> n1lo: #ubuntu please
[19:17] <n1lo> Nafallo, Ok.
[19:19] <calc> anyone around that knows in detail about ppas? I have a ppa for openoffice-pkgs that i deleted some packages from but the orig.tar.gz are still there
[19:19] <calc> eg http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org_3.0.0~rc2.orig.tar.gz and http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org_3.0.0~rc4.orig.tar.gz
[19:20] <Nafallo> sounds like a soyuz (#launchpad) query to me :-)
[19:20] <calc> ok
[19:25] <Luke> i'm trying to make a deb of a C program which doesn't specify an install target. What is the correct way to handle this?
[19:26] <pochu> calc: afaik they take some time to be removed
[19:27] <DRebellion> Luke, probably a question for #ubuntu-motu . If the program hasn't got an install target, it's probably trivial to install the files yourself in rules.
[19:27] <calc> pochu: several months?
[19:27] <Luke> DRebellion: so I can just move the binaries in place pretty much
[19:27] <DRebellion> Luke, yep.
[19:28] <Luke> right - thanks
[19:34] <pochu> calc: one hour or two I think, but it may have changed
[19:36] <philsf> there's a (minor) issue with an archive mirror, who can I get in touch with about it?
[19:39] <calc> pochu: well its definitely not working after just a few hours
[19:39] <calc> pochu: the rc uploads were deleted at least several weeks ago (longer than that iirc)
[19:47] <Jimi__Hendrix> are you guys the devs or am i in the wrong place?
[19:49] <Jimi__Hendrix> because i have a question about what goes on in between releases
[19:50] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: yea we are developers, or at least some of us are :)
[19:51] <Jimi__Hendrix> ok so im thinking of making my own distro (i know its a lot of work...but thats not the point) i want to know what happens between releases of ubuntu
[19:52] <Jimi__Hendrix> what do you guys do between 8.04 and 8.10 and jaunty...
[19:52] <calc> er package things, fix bugs, develop new code, etc
[19:52] <calc> lots of things
[19:55] <Jimi__Hendrix> so basically if new open office comes out
[19:55] <Jimi__Hendrix> you put that in by default?
[19:56] <pochu> calc: no idea then, I suggest you ask on the launchpad-users ML
[19:57] <lubosz> hi
[19:57] <lubosz> what hapened to this in intrepid? http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/atlas3-base
[19:57] <lubosz> i have a .deb for hardy depending on that
[19:58] <lubosz> and what to install it in intrepid, there is no intrepid specific release
[19:58] <calc> pochu: ok
[19:58] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: if it comes out before Feature Freeze yes
[19:59] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: in the past we tried to cram it in regardless but that led to problems, so we stick to Feature Freeze now :)
[19:59] <lubosz> is this the same as libatlas3gf-base in intrepid?
[20:00] <Jimi__Hendrix> and bug fix/code wise...if theres a bug in program x that you guys find and have time do you try and edit the source...and would this mean that the kernel i install with ubuntu is different than the one i get with fedora?
[20:04] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: yes it is different, every major distro changes the kernel around
[20:05] <calc> aiui kernel.org doesn't even recommend using their kernels but to use distro kernels instead
[20:05] <calc> or at least they recommended doing that at one point
[20:05] <jdong> linus believes so.
[20:06] <Jimi__Hendrix> and what do you do to the kernel...lets say i get the source for the ubuntu kernel...and compile it...would it work with the distro i build?
[20:07] <calc> the difference between a kernel.org kernel and a distro kernel is generally bug fixes, sometimes they add extra features as well
[20:07] <calc> so it should generally work unless your own distro requires other kernel features that would need to be added
[20:08] <Chipzz> the kernel version does have some influence on the version of glibc you want to ship though
[20:09] <Jimi__Hendrix> ok 2 more questions i think...
[20:10] <Jimi__Hendrix> 1...what would an example of a kernel version be...and 2 assuming i have all the time i need...could i make a distro using just the information provided in the LFS book tree?
[20:26] <Jimi__Hendrix> no one?
[20:43] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: i doubt LFS gives you enough info to create a full distro
[20:44] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: the last time i looked at it (~ 5 years ago) it was outside of the scope of what they even tried to explain
[20:44] <Jimi__Hendrix> well what dont they explain?
[20:45] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: well back then they only explained how to compile apps for your own system, nothing about packaging at all for example
[20:46] <Jimi__Hendrix> well i would use apt and .debs because of their popularity
[20:47] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: to learn how to package you probably should read the ubuntu wiki and debian doc section
[20:47] <calc> there is quite a lot to learn about
[20:48] <calc> the rules file for openoffice.org for example is ~ 150K and nearly 4K lines long
[20:49] <NCommander> o_o;
[20:51] <Jimi__Hendrix> ok calc
[20:51] <Chipzz> calc: whut? :)
[20:52] <calc> Chipzz: its a bit on the large side
[20:52] <Chipzz> no shit :)
[20:53] <Chipzz> 4K LOC, OMG :)
[20:53] <Chipzz> and heh, a sentence in all caps that actually made sense :)
[21:29] <Jimi__Hendrix> calc, so if i really want my own distro...where should i go to look that up?
[21:29] <Jimi__Hendrix> calc, so if i really want my own distro...where should i go to look up how to make it?
[21:29] <Jimi__Hendrix> i ment
[21:31] <NCommander> StevenK, you around?
[21:35] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: you probably need to start off by working with a current distro so you understand how they actually work
[21:35]  * calc has to go, bbl
[21:36] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: if you want to just make a different version of *buntu that isn't that hard, but to make your own distro entirely you will need a lot more than just one person to do it
[21:36] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: eg Debian has ~ 150 active members and 1000+ total members (iirc)
[21:37] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: ubuntu and fedora have similiar numbers of developers
[21:40] <Jimi__Hendrix> calc, well i would use what others have...just mash it together for the most part and make my own installer...
[21:41] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: hehe, making your own installer would be pretty much a full time job in itself
[21:41] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: its taken years of work to get the ubuntu installer the way it is
[21:41] <Jimi__Hendrix> rofl
[21:42] <Jimi__Hendrix> id settle with one like arch...with the blue screen...
[21:42] <greg-g> Jimi__Hendrix: it isn't just what it looks like
[21:42] <Jimi__Hendrix> well what does the installer actually...do
[21:42] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: a LOT
[21:43]  * calc imagines the ubuntu installer is at least many tens of thousands of lines of code if not more
[21:44]  * Jimi__Hendrix likes open source for a reason
[21:45] <Jimi__Hendrix> ok well if you suggest i help an existing distro how would i do that...i know C++, some C, and a decent amount of python...
[21:48] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: determine what you are actually interested in doing then help in that area
[21:49] <calc> if you want to help with the installer for ubuntu for example look though the ubiquity bugs and see if there is anything you can fix, etc
[21:49] <Jimi__Hendrix> learning about how a distro works so i can make my own
[21:49] <Jimi__Hendrix> ahh
[21:49] <Jimi__Hendrix> ok
[21:49] <Jimi__Hendrix> and what do i do if i fix one?
[21:51] <calc> create a patch and attach it to the bug in launchpad
[21:52] <Jimi__Hendrix> ok cool
[21:52] <Jimi__Hendrix> one more thing...i think...for now...maybe
[21:53] <Jimi__Hendrix> is there a way to test the installer without reinstalling a bunch of times on a computer...lol
[21:57] <RainCT> Jimi__Hendrix: virtual machine?
[21:58]  * Jimi__Hendrix shrugs
[21:59] <crimsun> johanbr: RE 275998, pulseaudio-related but not the sole culprit
[22:00] <johanbr> crimsun: I see. Thank you for looking into that.
[22:01] <johanbr> Is it easily fixable?
[22:02] <crimsun> johanbr: I need to read the attachments RSN to answer that ;)
[22:02] <johanbr> ahh :)
[23:00] <Chipzz> 22:29 < Jimi__Hendrix> calc, so if i really want my own distro...where should i go to look up how to make it?
[23:01] <Jimi__Hendrix> yes?
[23:01] <Chipzz> if you're asking this question, the answer simply is "don't"
[23:01] <ion_> :-)
[23:02] <Chipzz> if you're capable enough to make your own distro, you should know how to figure these things out by yourself
[23:02] <Jimi__Hendrix> ok so all the people at cannical had this information when they were born?
[23:02] <directhex> yes
[23:02] <ion_> yep
[23:02] <Chipzz> if you don't know how to figure out these things on your own, you are not capable enough and shouldn't bother
[23:02] <directhex> or they learnt their craft when tinkering with debian, using published documentation
[23:02] <directhex> which is the same thing, sorta
[23:02] <Chipzz> or they used google
[23:03] <directhex> Chipzz, or msn live search!
[23:03] <Chipzz> directhex: now now, no need to be rude ;)
[23:05] <Jimi__Hendrix> google returns LFS
[23:05] <Jimi__Hendrix> ibm says lfs
[23:05] <directhex> LFS is if you *really* want to do, well, from scratch
[23:11] <Chipzz> Jimi__Hendrix: why do you want to make your own distro in the first place? What added value do you think it has to the opensource community at large (hint: I think it actually subtracts rather than adds to the opensourc community; every new distro causes more fragmentation which is not something we need IMO)
[23:16] <Jimi__Hendrix> Chipzz, school project on anything...and lfs makes this sound doable...unless lfs does not result in a new distro
[23:17] <Jimi__Hendrix> afk but feel free to reply...io will read it eventually
[23:17] <Chipzz> school project? :P
[23:19] <Chipzz> anyway you probably should be looking at LFS then, but more as a "bootstrapping linux" experiment
[23:20] <Chipzz> I wouldn't go for a whole new distribution
[23:21] <directhex> custom debian/ubuntu? that's achievable
[23:21] <Chipzz> I don't know how much time you're supposed to be spending on this project, but I'm guessing that just the bootstrapping would fill your assigned time :)
[23:21] <Dyresen> If you just want to learn stuff, run slackware for a couple of years.
[23:22] <Chipzz> never tried LFS, but I think LFS would be a better way to learn things
[23:22] <Chipzz> provided you don't just copy/paste all the commands
[23:23] <directhex> Chipzz, remember, gentoo teaches you linux - nothing says "contributing to free software" like watching lots of 'make' output scroll past
[23:24] <Dyresen> directhex: I don't agree. If you run gentoo for a couple of years you know more linux than most people.
[23:24] <Dyresen> directhex: running gentoo will force you to read documentation and do a lot of editing in config files.
[23:25] <directhex> quantity, not quality
[23:25] <Dyresen> Then you are allready miles past most of the people asking for help in the ubuntu channel.
[23:27] <Dyresen> anyway, Im hit by a ubuntu packaging bug (as far as I can see, and I know quite a few people are)
[23:27] <Dyresen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/puppet/+bug/296605
[23:27] <Dyresen> Can some one doing ruby/rails/puppet packaging look into it?