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sbalneavEvening all02:28
LaserJocksbalneav: around?04:13
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Ahmucknubae1: when u get a chance, could you give me a hand on the dhcpd.conf ?17:17
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LaserJockmorning everybody18:35
LaserJockohhh lovely, encouraging bugmail this weekend :/18:37
LaserJocksbalneav: when you have a minute I think we should chat about this Feisty LTSPfs bug that people got up-in-arms over18:40
morgsLaserJock: hey19:40
LaserJockhi morgs19:41
morgsLaserJock: were you at UDS?19:41
LaserJocknope, at home workin' unfortunately19:41
LaserJockbut I did spend some time working on UDS issues during UDS19:42
morgsheh19:43
morgsLaserJock: I could use help with bug 263173 for an SRU19:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 263173 in sugar-hulahop "Sugar Browse fails on startup" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26317319:44
morgsRequires just rebuilds against a newer xulrunner19:44
LaserJockmorgs: right, saw some of that in my bugmail19:50
LaserJockmorgs: give me a little bit to get my grading situation in order and I'll get uploads ready19:51
morgsLaserJock: it's not urgent (in that it has been waiting a while already). james_w has done most of our sponsoring to date, but with UDS it was hard to get hold of him.19:51
morgsLaserJock: Sure, that would be great. Thanks!19:51
LaserJocknp19:52
LaserJockhi bdoin20:42
bdoinhi20:58
LaserJockbdoin: how are things in gcompris land?21:00
bdoinslowly, still working on the goocanvas port21:02
bdoinjust made a 8.5RC2 last friday for you to test if you wish21:03
LaserJockbdoin: yeah, I might have to check that out if I get some time21:11
bdoinif you want a preview: http://gcompris.net/incoming/new_watercycle.png21:13
bdoinhttp://gcompris.net/incoming/new_menu2.png21:13
LaserJockbdoin: looks very nice21:16
LaserJockLns: perhaps the ltspfs bug thing needs to go to edubuntu-devel21:32
LaserJockit's kind of a too-little-too-late for that bug, but is useful overall discussion21:33
LnsLaserJock: i agree.. i hate making more comments but it *is* useful for the future21:36
LnsLaserJock: would edubuntu-devel really be the best place for ltspfs given edubuntu technically isn't LTSP anymore?21:37
LaserJockyes, yes it is21:37
LaserJockwho else cares?21:38
LaserJockwe can't just drop LTSP out the door21:38
LnsI thought edubuntu was technically just the addon stuff, not ltsp bits anymore21:38
LaserJockok, you need to seperate some things a bit21:38
LaserJockas a community we're interested in anything to do with Education in Ubuntu21:39
LaserJockobviously LTSP is a pretty darn big part of that21:39
LaserJockso of course we care about LTSP21:39
LaserJockhowever, we don't *own* LTSP21:39
LaserJockbut it's in our best interest to care about it, right?21:39
LnsLaserJock: well of course21:40
LaserJockalso, while LTSPfs is the particular example21:40
LaserJockthe issue is a general problem21:40
LnsLaserJock: right, but the general problem isn't with Edubuntu, but Ubuntu as a whole21:40
LaserJocksure, but Edubuntu I think is particularly hit by this21:41
LnsI agree21:41
LaserJockso it wouldn't hurt for use to figure out how we can do better at not dropping the ball21:41
Lnsbut will the right people see the discussion that need to make a decision on actually changing how things work on a bug fixing level?21:41
LaserJockfor one, that bug falls off our "radar" when it's marked "Fix Released"21:41
LaserJockwe need to make sure things don't fall off the radar21:42
LaserJockwell, I suppose that's a question21:42
LnsCan anyone change the status like that? Or just the one who the bug was assigned to to fix?21:42
LaserJockanybody can change most of the statuses21:43
Lnsthat's bad21:43
Lnsimho21:43
LaserJockI think you have to have bug-control privileges to go to Triaged, but I think everything else is open21:43
Lnslook at the security flaw in that alone...someone who hates ubuntu could go in and change statuses on all sorts of bugs21:43
LaserJocksure, but that's not been a real issue21:44
LaserJockwe're normally looking to get as much help as possible, and hence make it as open as possible21:44
LnsThe structure of bug reporting needs to be revamped IMHO, not like I have the answers but that's just something I've seen over time that doesn't always get talked about21:45
LnsI understand the needing help part 100%21:46
LaserJockthe problem with that bug seems like 1) user expectations need management 2) we need to keep things on the "radar" 3) we need somebody to sort of "drive" QA21:46
Lnsright..we need followups21:46
Lnsand there is, but obviously this one slipped through the cracks21:46
LaserJockalso, we need to be clear on what's going to fixed, where and when21:46
Lnsagreed21:47
LnsI like the irc meetings idea, and maybe that can be something we do on a more frequent basis as a community to go over all of these things21:48
LnsAlmost like a weekly/bi-monthly status update on all open bugs21:49
LaserJocknow, I tried to look at all the bugs with stable release tasks and it doesn't look like we have any currently21:49
Lnsof course that's a TON of bugs i'd imagine21:49
LaserJockso right now we're doing ok'ish that way21:49
Lnsok21:49
LaserJockif my searches were accurate21:49
LaserJockI think they were21:49
LaserJockwe currently have ~250 open bugs21:50
LaserJockand only a handful are assigned to anybody21:50
LaserJockand quite a few are untriaged21:50
LaserJockI think even less are forwarded upstream21:51
Lnsthere's a big problem right there... we need bug maintainer(s) that can take time to do all of this on a scheduled basis21:52
Lnspeople who "know" what bugs exist so they can assign as duplicates, triage, invalidate, etc21:52
Lnsand needs to be separated by project probably21:52
LaserJockexactly21:52
LnsI can help with that i'm sure, but some standard practices/schedules should be established21:53
LaserJockwhich is why I think edubuntu-devel is a good place to discuss it21:54
LnsLaserJock: just a thought, is there any way to send scheduled 'bug digest' e-mails to subscribers say, once a week or whatever?21:55
Lnsautomated "these are open bugs" type things?21:56
LaserJockLns: hmm, so repeatedly giving out "this is the list of open bugs"?21:58
LaserJocknot just here's a new bug21:58
Lnsright21:58
Lnskind of a reminder email21:58
Lnsmaybe with a request for those who hadn't been commented on in X days21:59
LaserJockwe could script that fairly easy I think21:59
LaserJockbut I'm not sure how much we'd gain by it21:59
Lnswell, it'd help with people forgetting about certain bugs21:59
Lnsi dunno, it's more of a LP issue than anything else probably21:59
LaserJockwell, you can easily see what bugs your assigned to and subscribed to22:00
LaserJockand we have a LP page that lists all the open bugs by project22:00
Lnsright22:01
LaserJockwe can write our own bug page if needed, I'm just not sure what people would find useful22:02
Lnshmm...maybe some sorting mechanisms at the least, to see which ones haven't been updated/commented on22:02
LaserJockbottom line it looks to me like bugs aren't getting assigned22:02
LaserJocki.e. nobody wants to take them on22:02
LaserJockso it's not so much a matter of people knowing what's on their list (although that's important too) as much as getting people to look at things in the first place22:03
Lnscan we look at other bug systems to see how they do it? Maybe Mozilla or other?22:03
Lnsright...we need a trigger of sorts to force people to review things i think..otherwise they're just browsing what they want to browse22:03
LaserJockwell, I'm ok with people just browsing22:04
LaserJockwe just need people22:05
Lnsso how do we get more people? ;)22:05
LaserJocknot sure exactly22:07
LaserJockadvertize, make it actually do stuff22:07

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