| sbalneav | Evening all | 02:28 |
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| LaserJock | sbalneav: around? | 04:13 |
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| Ahmuck | nubae1: when u get a chance, could you give me a hand on the dhcpd.conf ? | 17:17 |
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| LaserJock | morning everybody | 18:35 |
| LaserJock | ohhh lovely, encouraging bugmail this weekend :/ | 18:37 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: when you have a minute I think we should chat about this Feisty LTSPfs bug that people got up-in-arms over | 18:40 |
| morgs | LaserJock: hey | 19:40 |
| LaserJock | hi morgs | 19:41 |
| morgs | LaserJock: were you at UDS? | 19:41 |
| LaserJock | nope, at home workin' unfortunately | 19:41 |
| LaserJock | but I did spend some time working on UDS issues during UDS | 19:42 |
| morgs | heh | 19:43 |
| morgs | LaserJock: I could use help with bug 263173 for an SRU | 19:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 263173 in sugar-hulahop "Sugar Browse fails on startup" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263173 | 19:44 |
| morgs | Requires just rebuilds against a newer xulrunner | 19:44 |
| LaserJock | morgs: right, saw some of that in my bugmail | 19:50 |
| LaserJock | morgs: give me a little bit to get my grading situation in order and I'll get uploads ready | 19:51 |
| morgs | LaserJock: it's not urgent (in that it has been waiting a while already). james_w has done most of our sponsoring to date, but with UDS it was hard to get hold of him. | 19:51 |
| morgs | LaserJock: Sure, that would be great. Thanks! | 19:51 |
| LaserJock | np | 19:52 |
| LaserJock | hi bdoin | 20:42 |
| bdoin | hi | 20:58 |
| LaserJock | bdoin: how are things in gcompris land? | 21:00 |
| bdoin | slowly, still working on the goocanvas port | 21:02 |
| bdoin | just made a 8.5RC2 last friday for you to test if you wish | 21:03 |
| LaserJock | bdoin: yeah, I might have to check that out if I get some time | 21:11 |
| bdoin | if you want a preview: http://gcompris.net/incoming/new_watercycle.png | 21:13 |
| bdoin | http://gcompris.net/incoming/new_menu2.png | 21:13 |
| LaserJock | bdoin: looks very nice | 21:16 |
| LaserJock | Lns: perhaps the ltspfs bug thing needs to go to edubuntu-devel | 21:32 |
| LaserJock | it's kind of a too-little-too-late for that bug, but is useful overall discussion | 21:33 |
| Lns | LaserJock: i agree.. i hate making more comments but it *is* useful for the future | 21:36 |
| Lns | LaserJock: would edubuntu-devel really be the best place for ltspfs given edubuntu technically isn't LTSP anymore? | 21:37 |
| LaserJock | yes, yes it is | 21:37 |
| LaserJock | who else cares? | 21:38 |
| LaserJock | we can't just drop LTSP out the door | 21:38 |
| Lns | I thought edubuntu was technically just the addon stuff, not ltsp bits anymore | 21:38 |
| LaserJock | ok, you need to seperate some things a bit | 21:38 |
| LaserJock | as a community we're interested in anything to do with Education in Ubuntu | 21:39 |
| LaserJock | obviously LTSP is a pretty darn big part of that | 21:39 |
| LaserJock | so of course we care about LTSP | 21:39 |
| LaserJock | however, we don't *own* LTSP | 21:39 |
| LaserJock | but it's in our best interest to care about it, right? | 21:39 |
| Lns | LaserJock: well of course | 21:40 |
| LaserJock | also, while LTSPfs is the particular example | 21:40 |
| LaserJock | the issue is a general problem | 21:40 |
| Lns | LaserJock: right, but the general problem isn't with Edubuntu, but Ubuntu as a whole | 21:40 |
| LaserJock | sure, but Edubuntu I think is particularly hit by this | 21:41 |
| Lns | I agree | 21:41 |
| LaserJock | so it wouldn't hurt for use to figure out how we can do better at not dropping the ball | 21:41 |
| Lns | but will the right people see the discussion that need to make a decision on actually changing how things work on a bug fixing level? | 21:41 |
| LaserJock | for one, that bug falls off our "radar" when it's marked "Fix Released" | 21:41 |
| LaserJock | we need to make sure things don't fall off the radar | 21:42 |
| LaserJock | well, I suppose that's a question | 21:42 |
| Lns | Can anyone change the status like that? Or just the one who the bug was assigned to to fix? | 21:42 |
| LaserJock | anybody can change most of the statuses | 21:43 |
| Lns | that's bad | 21:43 |
| Lns | imho | 21:43 |
| LaserJock | I think you have to have bug-control privileges to go to Triaged, but I think everything else is open | 21:43 |
| Lns | look at the security flaw in that alone...someone who hates ubuntu could go in and change statuses on all sorts of bugs | 21:43 |
| LaserJock | sure, but that's not been a real issue | 21:44 |
| LaserJock | we're normally looking to get as much help as possible, and hence make it as open as possible | 21:44 |
| Lns | The structure of bug reporting needs to be revamped IMHO, not like I have the answers but that's just something I've seen over time that doesn't always get talked about | 21:45 |
| Lns | I understand the needing help part 100% | 21:46 |
| LaserJock | the problem with that bug seems like 1) user expectations need management 2) we need to keep things on the "radar" 3) we need somebody to sort of "drive" QA | 21:46 |
| Lns | right..we need followups | 21:46 |
| Lns | and there is, but obviously this one slipped through the cracks | 21:46 |
| LaserJock | also, we need to be clear on what's going to fixed, where and when | 21:46 |
| Lns | agreed | 21:47 |
| Lns | I like the irc meetings idea, and maybe that can be something we do on a more frequent basis as a community to go over all of these things | 21:48 |
| Lns | Almost like a weekly/bi-monthly status update on all open bugs | 21:49 |
| LaserJock | now, I tried to look at all the bugs with stable release tasks and it doesn't look like we have any currently | 21:49 |
| Lns | of course that's a TON of bugs i'd imagine | 21:49 |
| LaserJock | so right now we're doing ok'ish that way | 21:49 |
| Lns | ok | 21:49 |
| LaserJock | if my searches were accurate | 21:49 |
| LaserJock | I think they were | 21:49 |
| LaserJock | we currently have ~250 open bugs | 21:50 |
| LaserJock | and only a handful are assigned to anybody | 21:50 |
| LaserJock | and quite a few are untriaged | 21:50 |
| LaserJock | I think even less are forwarded upstream | 21:51 |
| Lns | there's a big problem right there... we need bug maintainer(s) that can take time to do all of this on a scheduled basis | 21:52 |
| Lns | people who "know" what bugs exist so they can assign as duplicates, triage, invalidate, etc | 21:52 |
| Lns | and needs to be separated by project probably | 21:52 |
| LaserJock | exactly | 21:52 |
| Lns | I can help with that i'm sure, but some standard practices/schedules should be established | 21:53 |
| LaserJock | which is why I think edubuntu-devel is a good place to discuss it | 21:54 |
| Lns | LaserJock: just a thought, is there any way to send scheduled 'bug digest' e-mails to subscribers say, once a week or whatever? | 21:55 |
| Lns | automated "these are open bugs" type things? | 21:56 |
| LaserJock | Lns: hmm, so repeatedly giving out "this is the list of open bugs"? | 21:58 |
| LaserJock | not just here's a new bug | 21:58 |
| Lns | right | 21:58 |
| Lns | kind of a reminder email | 21:58 |
| Lns | maybe with a request for those who hadn't been commented on in X days | 21:59 |
| LaserJock | we could script that fairly easy I think | 21:59 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not sure how much we'd gain by it | 21:59 |
| Lns | well, it'd help with people forgetting about certain bugs | 21:59 |
| Lns | i dunno, it's more of a LP issue than anything else probably | 21:59 |
| LaserJock | well, you can easily see what bugs your assigned to and subscribed to | 22:00 |
| LaserJock | and we have a LP page that lists all the open bugs by project | 22:00 |
| Lns | right | 22:01 |
| LaserJock | we can write our own bug page if needed, I'm just not sure what people would find useful | 22:02 |
| Lns | hmm...maybe some sorting mechanisms at the least, to see which ones haven't been updated/commented on | 22:02 |
| LaserJock | bottom line it looks to me like bugs aren't getting assigned | 22:02 |
| LaserJock | i.e. nobody wants to take them on | 22:02 |
| LaserJock | so it's not so much a matter of people knowing what's on their list (although that's important too) as much as getting people to look at things in the first place | 22:03 |
| Lns | can we look at other bug systems to see how they do it? Maybe Mozilla or other? | 22:03 |
| Lns | right...we need a trigger of sorts to force people to review things i think..otherwise they're just browsing what they want to browse | 22:03 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm ok with people just browsing | 22:04 |
| LaserJock | we just need people | 22:05 |
| Lns | so how do we get more people? ;) | 22:05 |
| LaserJock | not sure exactly | 22:07 |
| LaserJock | advertize, make it actually do stuff | 22:07 |
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