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Riddell~twitter update cycled over mountains to santa cruz, weather dreich01:48
kubotustatus updated01:48
* Hobbsee waves01:55
RiddellHobbsee: back down under?02:16
HobbseeRiddell: yup02:17
Hobbseegot home a copule of hours ago02:17
seeleah.. did we talk about default window sizes in one of the sessions? it should probably go in one of the specs02:35
seelewe need to review apps and submit bugs with the optimal default size upstream02:35
seeleand i thought i had something to do with the KubuntuJauntySetup but i dont see anything in the gobby doc.  hmm02:36
Riddellthat would be a good spec for the window sizes stuff02:41
seelethere just needs to be one window size.  i dont think different apps need different sizes02:41
seeleusers will change them if they need to.  i think the point was to make sure that they are sane (e.g. not tiny like system monitor) and that if they need to be slightly larger to fit all of the icons on, then do so02:42
* seele puts it on her todo02:42
JontheEchidnabtw, the way we set default size for okular causes bug 29209802:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 292098 in kubuntu-default-settings "okular can't presentation fullscreen" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29209802:43
Riddellyeah, that's a pain to fix, need a script or something02:43
seeleyeah.. but i think that is a bug in kwin isn't it?  because the option is supposed to remove itself after the first time it is used but it doesn't02:44
RiddellI suspect the kwin people think this is how it should behave02:47
seelethat's not how it is documented!02:47
seeleone option is forced, one option is persistent, and one option is temporary02:47
seelewell whatever, it was only meant as a stop gap anyway.  the apps themselves ought to be fixed02:48
JontheEchidnaThis was to work around Okular not saving its window size, correct?02:48
JontheEchidnaI believe that bug was in kdelibs and was fixed in KDE 4.202:49
seeleno, konsole had that bug02:49
seelethis was to make okular ~40px wider so all of the buttons would show in the toolbar02:50
JontheEchidnaoh02:50
JontheEchidna...though it wouldn't remember a bigger window size anyway, unless forced with kwin rules. (bug 186122)02:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 186122 in kde4libs "Okular has a strange default window size" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18612202:54
JontheEchidnawell, if you maximized it :P02:54
JontheEchidnathat's what I was confusing the other bug with02:57
nixternalanyone else having issues with Qt4 Designer in Intrepid with kubuntu-experimental packages? It keeps seg faulting on me02:57
Hobbseenixternal: well, trying to run it on vista would *have* to be an unsupported configuration02:58
nixternalgrrr02:58
* Hobbsee grins evilly02:58
seelenixternal: was it you who said we need to have a kubuntu meeting real soon now?03:00
nixternalwasn't me, but I think we need to do it asap03:01
JontheEchidnanixternal: works for me (tm)03:09
nixternalahh, figured it out...skulpture theme is breaking it03:09
JontheEchidnaRiddell: bug 30806003:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 308060 in libmsn "Include libmsn in main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30806003:12
JontheEchidnaaiee, /me forgot something on the wiki03:13
seeleJontheEchidna: was it you who asked about porting the kopete irc plugin?03:13
JontheEchidnanope03:13
seelehmm.. it's too far back out of my buffer.  oh well03:13
JontheEchidnaseele: manchicken did, though03:14
seeleJontheEchidna: ok, thanks03:14
JontheEchidnayw03:15
JontheEchidnaAll the ladies love my big bugger :D03:15
* JontheEchidna couldn't resist03:15
JontheEchidna*buffer, even03:15
* JontheEchidna wonders who the wiseguy who placed f next to g is03:16
nixternalRiddell: so how far did you ride yesterday?03:50
seelenixternal: it's going to be ~60 tomorrow :)03:57
nixternalwhat?03:58
nixternalwe are under a winter weather advisory :(03:58
seelehehe03:59
* seele enjoys the warm weather before she spends a week in pittsburgh03:59
* nixternal goes to enjoy HIS OWN BED!!!04:01
nixternalg'nite04:01
* Hobbsee deflated the mattress a while ago04:02
* seele could use another day before returning to work04:04
Riddellnixternal: dunno but it included a lot of ups and downs04:49
Tonio_hi there08:14
seaLne\sh: have you been using 4.2b1? plasma is behaiving weirdly for me on my second head10:34
birnissonhi, how are kde 4.2 beta 2 packages for intrepid looking? :)10:39
nixternalTonio_: how was the flight home?12:13
nixternalseele: ya, I could use another day as well...I am tired12:13
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rgreeningTonio_: ping13:13
rgreeningRiddell: happen to remember what that patch was called for flash in konqueror and was it in kdebase or somewhere else?13:14
nixternalwell, I will be working from home today....we had one hell of an ice storm last night and car looks like 1 giant ice cube13:31
nixternalit is -18c outside right now, not including the wind chill13:32
nixternal-26c with the windchill13:32
rgreeningow13:37
rgreeningbrrr13:37
apacheloggernixternal: frosty the snowman?13:50
nixternalfrosty the nixternalman13:52
apacheloggerpoint13:52
nixternalI hereby declare vpnc to be a piece of garbage!14:01
popey:)14:02
nixternalwasabi popey!14:02
popeyi found kvpnc (under gnome) to be pretty usable14:02
jjessei thought you were a piece of garbage :)14:02
nixternalI am, but that still doesn't mean that vpnc should be as well14:02
nixternalI connect to our work domain fine the first time, after that, it kills my damn dns crap and can no longer connect to the domain except by IP14:03
jjessei've never gotten vpnc to work correctly14:10
jjesseespecially with my microsoft pptp vpn that i need to use14:11
apacheloggerNightrose: png14:18
Nightroseapachelogger: png14:19
Nightroseor is it jpg?14:19
apacheloggerjpg14:19
apacheloggerNightrose: can you please update to latest amarok-nightly14:19
Nightrosek14:19
apacheloggerit should fix0r the GHNS b0rkness14:19
Nightroseyay14:19
Nightroseoh i already updated today14:20
Nightroseseems i am on the newest one14:20
Nightroselet's see14:20
Nightroseapachelogger: no change :(14:22
Nightroseso either i don't have the newest one or it is not fixed14:22
apacheloggerhm14:22
* apachelogger checks buildlog14:22
apacheloggerit  would be weird, because it seems to be fixed in kde-nightly14:23
apachelogger-- Installing: /build/buildd/amarok-nightly-20081214+svn896896/debian/tmp/opt/amarok-nightly/etc/kde4/amarok.knsrc14:24
apacheloggerNightrose: it should be working really14:24
Nightrose:/14:24
Nightroseohhh14:25
Nightrosemaybe i still have the old version running14:25
Nightroselet me restart amarok14:25
Nightrosesec14:25
apachelogger*wait*14:25
Nightroseyay!14:26
* Nightrose hugs apachelogger14:26
Nightroseworks14:26
apachelogger\o/14:26
Nightrosesorry14:26
JontheEchidnaapachelogger++14:27
apachelogger~twitter update I fixed all of neon!14:27
kubotustatus updated14:27
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kde2.png14:30
apacheloggermore organized dependency graph14:30
jjessedoes the twitter work for everyone or how do you set it up?14:31
apachelogger~help twitter14:32
kubotutwitter status [nick] => show nick's (or your) status, use 'twitter friends status [nick]' to also show the friends' timeline | twitter update [status] => updates your status on twitter | twitter identify [username] [password] => ties your nick to your twitter username and password | twitter actions [on|off] => enable/disable twitting of actions (/me does ...)14:32
seele~twitter update twittering from irc to the same group of people seems like overkill14:32
kubotustatus updated14:32
jjesselol14:32
jjesse~twitter update i agree with seele14:32
kubotuyou must identify using 'twitter identify [username] [password]'14:32
jjessetwitter identify jjesse jes478SE14:33
* seele blinks14:33
jjessethat stinks14:33
seelemight want to change your password ;)14:33
jjessei know14:33
jjesse~twitter help14:34
kubotuincorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter'14:34
jjesseoh well won't worry about that now, time to start teaching class14:34
* jjesse changed password14:34
apacheloggerjjesse: query kubotu and do what you did before14:34
apacheloggertwitter identify...14:34
jjessei hate this web client for irc im using today14:36
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ScottK-laptoprgreening: (from about two days ago) here's the svn for kvirc (the KDE4 version) http://www.kvirc.de/?id=svn&lang=en15:35
rgreeningty ScottK-laptop15:37
ScottK-laptopyw15:37
nixternalnice15:49
ScottKI've been using quassel for most of a week now and while I mostly like Konversation better, the little bubble popup when someone directs something at me is absolutely killer.15:53
ScottK-laptopI see 8.04.2 is getting ready to go out.15:56
ScottK-laptopIt'd be killer if we had a kubuntu.org announcement about 8.04.2 that has KDE 3.5.10.15:56
nixternaltrue15:59
gustavonareaWith the help of somebody at #kde, I've found a bug on one of the packages: kwalletmanager doesn't work on my computer because the "kwalletd" application is not included in "kdelibs-bin": http://paste.chrisarndt.de/paste/850ba77d66c8447abf2f291b8bb7542516:08
gustavonareaI'm using KDE 4.2 Beta 116:09
JontheEchidnafunny, I have kwalletd16:12
JontheEchidnaquite strange...16:12
* JontheEchidna looks in to it16:12
rgreeningScottK-laptop: I'm attempting to package kvirc now...16:13
gustavonareaJontheEchidna: This might help: http://paste.chrisarndt.de/paste/475ecac31ad746d4a0d488aac2db1d7d16:14
ScottKrgreening: Great.  I'd suggest you package it as kvirc-kde4 until we know if it's actually mature enough to replace the current kvirc.16:14
ScottKLooking reasonably hard for a KDE4 IRC client, that's all I came up with.16:14
nixternalScottK: that was my recommendation as well at UDS16:14
nixternalthe KVirc KDE 4 client has shaped up very nicely16:14
nixternalsome minor bugs here and there, but it is way further along that Konversation16:15
nixternalthough KVirc is not newb friendly16:15
ScottKWell maybe we can convince them to work on that in the next couple of months if they want to be Kubuntu's default IRC client.16:15
ScottKPersonally, I'd have voted for keeping Konversation, but I guess I'd have lost.16:16
nixternalthink the power of irssi just with a gui16:16
nixternalwell, we will keep konversation if k3b doesn't get a solid kde4 release16:16
nixternalat least that's what we said during one of the sessions16:16
rgreeningyeah, no sense keeping/maintaining KDE 3.5 only for konversation. However, for K3B, it would be very crucial16:18
nixternalI don't think K3b is going to release in time for kde 4.216:18
ScottKIt's not like kde3libs can get removed in any case, just dropped to Universe, so it'll still have to be 'maintained' to some degree.16:23
nixternalcorrect, just wouldn't ship on the CD16:27
JontheEchidnagustavonarea: don't know what to tell you. build-logs indicate that everything in kde4libs is built (besides two optional, unrelated components) and that everything that is built is installed to a package16:40
JontheEchidnaI would assume that kwalletd no longer exists in KDE 4.216:42
gustavonareaJontheEchidna: I was told on #kde that it should be present16:43
JontheEchidnaoh16:43
gustavonareayou're using KDE 4.2 Beta 1 from the experimental repository too?16:43
JontheEchidnait's in kdebase-workspace-bin-kde416:43
JontheEchidnaare you sure everything's up to date?16:44
gustavonareayes, absolutely16:45
JontheEchidnacould you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" please?16:46
JontheEchidnaand then "dpkg -L kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4"16:46
gustavonareaJontheEchidna: http://paste.turbogears.org/paste/19078 and http://paste.turbogears.org/paste/1907916:48
gustavonareaJontheEchidna: I'm using this repos, just in case: http://paste.turbogears.org/paste/1907716:48
JontheEchidnaok, now that is really, really weird16:50
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: kwalletd is part of kdebase16:50
JontheEchidnaI have the exact same version as you from the same repo16:50
apacheloggeror kdebase-*16:50
JontheEchidnabut your dpkg -L kwalletd isn't in kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4, while mine says it is16:51
apacheloggergustavonarea: dpkg -s kdebase-runtime-bin-kde416:51
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: dpkg -S /usr/bin/kwalletd is more efficient ;-)16:51
JontheEchidnaheh16:52
gustavonareaapachelogger, JontheEchidna: http://paste.turbogears.org/paste/1908016:52
apachelogger~np16:52
kubotuapachelogger is listening to "In Dulci Jubilo" by Mike Oldfield16:52
apacheloggerthat is about wrong16:52
apacheloggergustavonarea: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdebase-runtime-bin-kde416:53
gustavonareaapachelogger: that finally installed kwalletd, but now I get this error when I try to run it: kwalletd: error while loading shared libraries: libkdeinit4_kwalletd.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory16:55
apacheloggeryour system is b0rked16:55
apacheloggergustavonarea: run sudo apt-get check16:55
gustavonareaapachelogger: http://paste.turbogears.org/paste/1908116:56
* apachelogger is out of ideas16:57
apacheloggergustavonarea: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdelibs516:57
apacheloggerbut I expect more things to be wrong16:58
gustavonareaapachelogger, I get the same error16:58
apacheloggertry kdebase-runtime16:59
apacheloggeranyway16:59
apacheloggergustavonarea: #kubuntu that is not really a problem with the package16:59
gustavonareaapachelogger: I was told that on #kde17:00
apacheloggergustavonarea: you were told what?17:01
gustavonareaapachelogger: didn't you want me to let people at #kubuntu that it wasn't a problem in the packege?17:02
apacheloggergustavonarea: no, you shall ask someone in #kubuntu guide you because it is a usual support request, while the people in #kde thought it is a packaging issue which is why they sent you here and not #kubuntu17:04
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: any clue why utils depends on pimlibs?17:04
gustavonareaapachelogger: oh! `sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdebase-runtime` solved the problem17:05
gustavonareathanks!17:05
apacheloggergustavonarea: there are most likely more problems17:05
apacheloggerif you expierence something similar ask in #kubuntu17:05
gustavonareaok, thanks17:05
apacheloggerthough beta2 is going to be published soon, so the upgrade should sort all remaining file issues17:05
gustavonareathat would be great17:06
Riddellrgreening: that patch would be in kdebase any kde 3 version18:07
Riddelldon't know the name18:07
rgreeningRiddell: yeah, I had a cursory look... nothing stood out. I'll go back and review again. Know when it was last in? 3.5.x?18:10
rgreeningI checked 3.5.10 in hardy18:10
Riddellshould be there18:10
rgreeningk. I'll recheck18:11
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torkianohello, is there a easy solution for bug 253854?19:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 253854 in qt4-x11 "Needed libphonon enabled in Qt4 compilation/packaging" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25385419:11
ScottK-laptopIsn't that fixed?19:12
ScottK-laptopI guess not.  I think it's python-qt4 I was thinking has Phonon bindings now.19:13
rgreening_hmmm... default kvirc is kind of ick looking19:22
JontheEchidnargreening_ apachelogger's exact words were "eww"19:23
rgreening_yep19:23
JontheEchidnalol19:23
rgreening_I'd upload the package, but I'm not sure I really want to19:23
LaserJockis kvirc a KDE4 app?19:28
JontheEchidnayeah19:29
torkianoScottK-laptop: see this comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/253854/comments/319:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 253854 in qt4-x11 "Needed libphonon enabled in Qt4 compilation/packaging" [Undecided,Confirmed]19:29
LaserJockJontheEchidna: but Konversation isn't?19:29
JontheEchidnanope19:29
JontheEchidnawell I think they have a pre-alpha kde4 port19:30
LaserJockJontheEchidna: do you happen to know if Kile has been ported yet?19:31
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JontheEchidnadon't think it has yet19:31
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ScottK-laptopThe kvirc in the repos is KDE3.  Their svn has a unreleased KDE4 version.19:32
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rgreening_ScottK-laptop: yeah, and too many options and buttons. Also seems a bit on the laggy side (svn ver).19:34
ScottK-laptopWell we have time before Feature Freeze.19:37
ScottK-laptopCould it be bent into something suitable?19:37
ScottK-laptopQuassel that can't get there I don't think.19:37
ScottK-laptopAlthough I kind of like some aspects of it.19:38
LaserJockI've always liked Konversation but I've not tried too many KDE IRC apps19:39
rgreening_ScottK-laptop: I'll dput the deb I have made. It needs work, but it will at least install and run. Feel free to look at the customizations that would be required. Perhaps someone would come up with a patch to Kubuntuize it19:40
rgreening_ScottK-laptop: uploading to http://launchpad.net/roderick-greening PPA19:41
ScottK-laptoprgreening_: How about to REVU?19:42
rgreening_ScottK-laptop: It's no where ready for that. I was thinking more on giving it to someone to have a look at, see if it's even work the effort.19:43
ScottK-laptopOK.19:43
rgreening_i.e. the config settings etc...19:43
rgreening_see if we can mold it into something clean19:43
rgreening_deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/roderick-greening/ubuntu intrepid main19:44
ScottK-laptoprgreening_: I'll grab the source.  I don't install binaries from unsigned repos on my machines.19:45
rgreening_lol19:53
jussi01hrm, thats sad that quassel wont be ready. you sure we cant help it along enough?19:54
ScottK-laptopjussi01: It's very complicated to set up IMO.19:55
jussi01ScottK-laptop: true, to a point. the monolithic one is qute simple19:56
rgreening_JontheEchidna, apachelogger, Riddell, nixternal, seele, et al... Have a look at KVirc in PPA listed above. See if you think this a viable replacement for konversation.19:56
ScottK-laptopWell I didn't try the monolithic one.19:56
rgreening_jussi01: how easy is it and how functional?19:57
rgreening_jussi01: also, which package is the monolithic one?19:57
jussi01rgreening: hrm, not sure if the monolithic is in the repos, I know it was broken for some time, but they reenabled it in git recently19:58
jussi01rgreening: the thing is, if we tell the lads what to do, then I think they will be fairly open to attempting toget things done19:59
rgreening_oh... hmm... dam another package to build...19:59
jussi01hehe19:59
jussi01rgreening: ScottK-laptop this is a quote from one of the quassel devs: [14:09:04] <Sput> maybe if they send us a list of things to fix to make it happen, we can do it :)20:01
ScottK-laptopjussi01: OK.  Step 0 is to pop out a release that adds the openssl exception to their licensing so we can build the SSL version and test with that.20:02
ScottK-laptopjussi01: Step 1 is show us how to patch it to have #kubuntu set up and ready to go on install.20:03
jussi01ScottK-laptop: ok. those 2 shouldnt be hard. Ill have a chat to them20:04
jussi01although Nightrose may have already had a chat20:05
ScottK-laptopI did mention the licensing question to her and she said she'd pass it on.20:05
jussi01I remember a discussion in their channel, just trying to find it now20:05
jussi01ScottK-laptop: [21:00:20] <Sput> meanwhile I'll close that bug, no idea how to reach Scott, so please relay to him that we don't link to SSL and should be fine20:06
jussi01so thats step 0 done20:07
* Nightrose looks20:07
Nightroseah yea20:07
jussi01heya Nightrose!!!20:07
ScottK-laptopjussi01: We need the SSL version.20:07
Nightrosethey said Harald fixed that already20:07
ScottK-laptopOK.20:07
* Nightrose curses at plasma20:08
Nightrosethird time it makes my computer unusable today and i don't know why20:08
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ScottK-laptoprgreening: One thing I've been meaning to mention about your kde-ufw project is don't repeat the policy violation the gui-ufw folks did.  See Bug #262405 for details.20:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262405 in gui-ufw "gui-ufw modifies conffiles in ufw" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26240520:09
rgreeningyeah, I know.20:09
rgreeningScottK-laptop: I talked to the ufw maintainer, and he has a API (sort of) that I can use.20:10
ScottK-laptopOK.  Just making sure ...20:10
rgreeningIt may need to be altered a bit and repackaged to ensure I can load as a python module20:10
ScottK-laptopBut this is the time in the release to be getting stuff like that figured out, so great.20:11
rgreeningyep20:11
jjessergreening: ping me when you have something working i can document :)20:12
jjessergreening: also will it sty ubuntu only or go upstream or?20:12
jjessergreening: what's the launchpad link, i'll register a branch for documentation that will remind me to do it20:12
rgreeningjjesse: http://launchpad.net/ufw-kde20:13
DaSkreechWine by default?20:15
_Groo_hi/2 all...20:16
_Groo_hey apacheloggerdid you receive my email about koffice2 beta4?20:17
ScottKDaSkreech: From yesterday, "...word on the latest for the "official" KDE3 for Ibex" is No.20:19
rgreeningScottK-laptop: do you know if IRC nick jamie is the ufw maintainer?20:19
DaSkreechScottK: as in No we will not proceed or No we have no further word ?20:20
ScottKrgreening: jdstrand usually.20:20
rgreeningok20:20
ScottKDaSkreech: No.  There won't be any.20:20
DaSkreechScottK: So the PPA will be taken down ?20:20
DaSkreechOr just won't be referenced by anyone ?20:20
ScottK-laptopDaSkreech: No.  No reason it should be taken down.20:20
ScottK-laptopIf a community member wants to provide packages, there's nothing stopping them.20:21
DaSkreechI thought a community member was doing packages20:21
ScottK-laptopHe was.20:21
ScottK-laptopNot official.20:21
DaSkreech but needed a MOTU on the team to inspect the packages which hadn't happened cause no onee could get in contact wit hthem20:21
DaSkreechor him20:21
DaSkreechassuming it was a him doing the packages20:21
ScottK-laptopWe gave him some feedback and he went off to redo his packages is the last I heard.20:22
ScottK-laptopBut those packages are in no sense part of Kubuntu.20:22
DaSkreechI didn't expect them to be20:22
ScottK-laptopOK, then I'm confused about you asking about 'official' packages then.20:23
DaSkreechbut people keep asking for kde3 packages and finding some random idiot on the net who is doing all sorts of rubbish20:23
DaSkreechMore like "blessed"20:23
DaSkreech :-)20:23
DaSkreechAs in if you want to try third party packages then look here20:23
ScottK-laptopI don't know of anyone who's invested the time to go that far.20:23
ScottK-laptopIMO people who want KDE3 should run Hardy.20:24
JontheEchidnahe did redo the packages and has put them in a ppa20:24
DaSkreechAll that's required is someone who wants to package KDE3 and is willing to do it in a way that won't screw up other Ibex packages20:24
DaSkreechWhich would probably involve giving MOTU's access so they can inspect20:24
ScottK-laptopIt's not random we (meaning mostly me and awen) went to the trouble to update Hardy to 3.5.10.20:24
DaSkreechScottK-laptop: Certainly. If someone can stay on Hardy then they should20:25
ScottK-laptopDaSkreech: The reason we didn't do KDE3 for Intrepid was lack of manpower.  I don't think that's chagnged.20:25
DaSkreechYeah I realise but there is also a demand for KDE3 packages perhaps we can use that to coax more involvement and hence more manpower ?20:26
DaSkreechAnd it's directly into packaging too :) so they can move over when there is less a entrancement with KDE320:26
DaSkreechIf one or two people are willing to start a group I think it would be easy to get others to join20:28
DaSkreechPlus they would probably start a recruiting binge as well20:29
ScottKWell the first time I didn't have to do make -f debian/rules build-prep for a KDE update, I was a very happy man.20:29
ScottKI'm probably not going to invest much more time in KDE3 stuff.20:30
DaSkreechI don't think anyone on the team should have to post hardy.20:30
DaSkreechThe announcment was made that KDE4 is the future of KDE and that is where Kubuntu is going20:30
DaSkreechBut anyone who is still heavily invested in their (and KDE's) past should be given a channel to work in20:31
DaSkreechMuch like aseigo inviting whoever would like to fork KDE to do so20:31
ScottK-laptopRight, I don't think anyone has discouraged them, just discouraged them from doing it badly.20:32
DaSkreechOK I guess in short who's the guy with the PPA that was under review?20:33
apacheloggerScottK-laptop: quassel doesn't use SSL directly, it goes through Qt ... in earlier versions it did a recursive linking which made quassel link to ossl, but that is fixed for months21:01
_Groo_hi apachelogger21:02
apachelogger_Groo_: I fowarded it to vorian for building, he is rather occupied with real life though21:03
_Groo_apachelogger: did you receive my email about koffice2 beta4?21:03
apacheloggerI'll try to get it testbuilt once KDE 4.1.85 is out21:03
_Groo_apachelogger: ha ok, but did you checked it?21:03
smarterwow, answer before question :]21:03
apachelogger<-- allmighty21:03
_Groo_apachelogger: ok :)21:04
_Groo_apachelogger: btw any ETA on 4.1.85?21:04
smarter_Groo_: almost but not quiet, entirely not finished21:04
_Groo_smarter: but is he tagged yet?21:05
smarteryup21:05
smarter_Groo_: see http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Release_Schedule21:05
_Groo_smarter: nice :) cant wait :D21:06
_Groo_smarter: is the libamsn included this time? i can help with that if it isnt the case21:06
smarterlibmsn? not sure if someone backported it21:06
smarterJontheEchidna: ^ ?21:06
_Groo_https://edge.launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/+build/811078/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.koffice2_1.9.98.3-1ubuntu4~padoka3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz21:07
apacheloggerjonny just needs to backport to experimental and change the kopete.install accordingly21:07
_Groo_smarter: iwthout it, kopete cant use live msn.. i backported it and rebuilt kdenetwork for kde4.1 beta121:07
smarteryup, we know21:07
_Groo_sorry for the pastem wrong tab :P21:07
* DaSkreech downloaded .85 from Fedora last night21:16
DaSkreech the Tooltip windows are sexy but annoying21:16
_Groo_apachelogger: im just talking to the launchpad guys.. the buildd is broken allright, he wasnt calling the universe packages as i expected.. thats why i was having such a nightmare building koffice21:22
apachelogger_Groo_: I see21:22
_Groo_apachelogger: ok, most redudant replay of the day :D21:24
_Groo_redundant reply21:24
DaSkreechAnyone looked at the listing for Wine as default option in Jaunty ?21:25
* ScottK-laptop is trying not to cringe too hard.21:26
ScottK-laptopapachelogger: I have the quassel package from intrepid-backports and it claims it's not built with SSL support.21:26
* apachelogger is using the jaunty client, which should be the same version and is only connectiong via SSL21:27
* ScottK-laptop just got done explaining AGAIN to $MIDDLE_CHILD that the rest of her relatives don't use OOo, so she needs to mail out her Christmas list in .doc and not .odt.21:27
_Groo_lol21:27
apacheloggerScottK-laptop: how about pdf? ;-)21:28
Hobbseepdfs are good for that.21:28
_Groo_ScottK-laptop: send the odf converter to relatives instead of .doc *hit21:28
ScottK-laptopThat'd work too.21:28
ScottK-laptopWell I'm about to do a follow-up to all of them on the benifits of open standards and here's where to install OpenOffice from ....21:28
_Groo_ScottK-laptop: lol.. look dear.. our nut crack relative sent us the benefits of OO again... LOL LOL.. ahhh the benefits of the trash can21:29
apacheloggeroi vei!21:30
ScottKYes, well there is that, but I don't do it very often.21:30
ScottKMy 75 year old father was visiting here over the weekend and managed to use Kubuntu 8.10 with not too much trouble.21:30
DaSkreech^_^21:31
_Groo_ScottK: linux desktop isnt hard.. no modern desktop is... the problem is that linux ISNT windows.. and windows users are lazy by nature... god forbid them to learn anything new21:31
ScottK-laptopMaybe I'll convert him when I visit for Christmas.21:33
Hobbsee_Groo_: may they never update to vista.21:33
* DaSkreech boots up Computer.21:33
DaSkreechDear have you noticed the computer looks kinda strange since ScottK visited?21:33
ScottK-laptopHobbsee: No.  Once they update to Vista it's great, because I can no longer support them.21:33
HobbseeScottK-laptop: well, in terms of not wanting to learn new things21:33
DaSkreechAnd when did we buy Windows Kubuntu ?21:34
_Groo_Hobbsee: my wife uses vista (ms tax) and ubuntu.. the vista edition that came was home edition.. did you guys know the home edition only allow you to open three active samba connects? :D hilarious21:34
ScottK-laptopI'd actually check and see if they thought it was OK first.21:34
DaSkreechWell Windows 7 Is basically KDE4 so far...21:34
ScottK-laptopOnly less so.21:34
Hobbsee_Groo_: hah!21:35
DaSkreechand with out sexy sliding tooltips21:35
DaSkreechSeriously they are fascinating :)21:35
_Groo_DaSkreech: why are you putting kde4 so low? win7 = kde 4.2? AH! not by a looooooooooooooog shot.. not even 4.121:35
DaSkreech_Groo_: Huh ?21:36
cbrhi, updated xorg in jaunty21:36
cbr-> xorg segfaults21:36
cbr-> happy times21:36
DaSkreechas in So far from what they have shown in Windows 721:36
DaSkreechExcept that KDE4 doesn't do multi touch21:36
_Groo_DaSkreech: you said win7 was kde4.. not it isnt.. he doesnt even come close to kde421:36
DaSkreechTHough X may have that sorted out by the time Windows 7 arrives21:37
DaSkreech_Groo_: No it doesn't it probably already has more market share21:37
Tm_Tcbr: driver?21:38
_Groo_DaSkreech: yes it does.. use compiz with multitouch, multipoint and redirect input.. then we talk21:38
cbrintel21:38
DaSkreechewww21:38
_Groo_DaSkreech: and if thats all MS can show.. multitouch, well, 2 more years for THAT? :D21:39
Tm_T_Groo_: they hadnt kde4 last year yet21:40
_Groo_apachelogger: launch devs are fixing my account in ppa... in an hour or so ill be able to build koffice without a problem, \o/21:42
mornfallSo what about that rumour that kubuntu is dropping adept (for kpackagekit)? I could use some reliable data, so I can plan ahead accordingly, wrt Adept.21:44
rgreeningsomeone shoot me... If I have another coughing fix I'm going to implode21:45
rgreenings/fix/fit21:46
* _Groo_ shoots rgreening21:47
_Groo_there21:47
rgreening*thump*21:48
ScottKrgreening: BTW, your kvirc-kde4 package is a native package and it shouldn't be.21:49
cbrmy profound wisdom of completing my lab reports *before* updating to the dri2-enabled xserver paid off21:49
_Groo_cbr: ati?21:49
rgreeningScottK: right... doh21:49
cbrintel21:49
rgreeningIm not completely with it *sniff*21:49
_Groo_cbr: hmmm should work.. what X is telling you?21:49
cbrit outputs a backtrace into the .log21:50
_Groo_cbr: what component?21:50
_Groo_rgreening: where can i get your ksirc-kde4?21:51
cbrit seems to be a bug21:52
rgreening_Groo_: my PPA: http://launchpad.net/~roderick/greening/+archive21:53
cbrthe intel driver crashes21:53
rgreening_Groo_: my PPA: http://launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive21:53
rgreening_Groo_: it's still in testing...21:54
rgreeningand its kvirc not ksirc (in case that matters)21:55
_Groo_rgreening: :) no propblem21:55
_Groo_i would love to see a better search for packages in ppas... like package.ubuntu but for ppas21:56
_Groo_rgreening: do you mind if i backport it to intrepid?21:57
_Groo_finally koffice is building.. me so happy :)21:59
rgreeninggo ahead22:01
_Groo_rgreening: :) is it usable yet?22:02
rgreeningyes22:02
_Groo_oka, backporting ::)22:02
ScottK-laptoprgreening: Why do you have an empty prerm in the package?22:03
ScottK-laptoprgreening: You have usr/lib/*.so* in both kvirc.install and kvirc-dev.install22:05
ScottK-laptoprgreening: Please don't over-ride the lintian check for missing man page.  Lintian is correct in this case.22:05
NCommanderhey rgreening22:06
ScottK-laptopAnnoying, but correct.22:06
* NCommander wonders if he can get ALSA to recongize his laptop's headphone jack22:08
ScottK-laptoprgreening: You have a patch in debian/patches, but no series file and you're using quilt, so either add debian/series if the patch is needed or drop the patch if it isn't.22:09
_Groo_ScottK: btw where can i get a good doc for patching debs? im kinda doing it by ear...22:09
ScottK-laptop!packaging guide22:10
ubottuThe packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports22:10
ScottK-laptophas a section on it.22:10
_Groo_ok tks22:11
rgreeningScottK-laptop: thanks for the help. I based it off of the old package, which obviously had errors. Oh, and the *.so.* != *.so*22:11
ScottKrgreening: Finally, I'd package it as kvirc-kde4.  OK.22:11
rgreeningScottK-laptop: I may need some suggestions on what to do there...22:12
rgreeningthe exe is kvirc422:12
_Groo_rgreening: dont forget to make him conflict with kvirc22:12
rgreeningus22:13
ScottKrgreening: Yeah, just make it conflict with kvirc.22:13
rgreeningyes22:13
rgreeningok22:13
ScottKMy thought isn't to make it co-installable, but to make it easy to switch back.22:13
rgreeningthanks for the help.22:13
ScottKNo problem.  Thanks for working on it.22:13
rgreeningah. I see22:13
_Groo_rgreening: ive just changed you package to build on intrepid, and renamed it to kvirc-kde4, kvirc-kde4-data and kvirc-kde4-dev, conflicting with kvirc < 4.0022:15
rgreeningcool. can you send me the diff?22:15
_Groo_rgreening: basically is what you have, i just changed the changelog and control acordingly.. :)22:16
rgreeningok22:16
rgreeningdoh.. my brain isn't working. I understand it now22:17
rgreeningheh22:17
nixternalI am glad someone understands it...I have no clue what I am doing22:17
_Groo_rgreening: :)22:17
_Groo_nixternal: ??22:17
nixternaljust being silly22:18
rgreeningnixternal: heh. It's foggy at best and having a cold makes it worse22:18
nixternalno cold here yet...soon the UDS plague will kick in22:18
rgreeningI got it on the plane back22:18
rgreeningdam 0passenders with germs22:19
nixternalnice, there were only 16 people on my plane back22:19
nixternalnobody wanted to go to chicago...don't blame them after last night22:19
rgreeningmine was packed with pitri dishes or bacteria22:19
* ScottK hands rgreening a triple shot espresso and some no-doze and says get back to work.22:19
nixternallol22:19
rgreeningheh22:19
nixternaljeesh, just don't get one of the expressos tonio made at google22:19
nixternalevery sip was a near death experience22:20
rgreeningit was a quad shot of expresso22:20
rgreeningI saw him make it22:20
rgreening:)22:20
nixternalit was wrong22:20
ScottKHmmmm.22:20
rgreeningthat takes committment22:20
nixternalya it does22:20
rgreeningThe hotel called, they said they are missing some pillows...22:21
jjessenixternal: you enjoying the whole blago stuff?  looks like there might be a special election now?  what a joke :)22:21
nixternalthat turkish coffee was really good though...still trying to find a persian restaraunt around here22:21
nixternaljjesse: ya, hopefully they have a special election and a republican gets the seat22:21
nixternalI am sorry, the 4 democrats named are tainted22:22
jjessenixternal: wouldn't that piss everyone off :)22:22
jjessetotally tainted22:22
nixternalit wouldn't piss me off..it would make me dance22:22
ScottK-laptopMy favorite quote was from the US Attorney, he said something like, "I won't say Illinois is the most corrupt state in the country because I don't have 49 other states to compare it with, but it's definitely in the running."22:22
nixternalhahaha22:23
* ScottK-laptop recalls visiting Chicago (on a school trip, without parents) in High School and being pleased to discover that the drinking age in Chicago was "tall enough to reach the counter".22:23
nixternalScottK-laptop: that definitely shows your age :)22:25
ScottK-laptopIt's not like that anymore?22:25
nixternaloh no22:26
nixternalthough you can find some places that don't card22:26
apacheloggerScottK-laptop: you should take a look at debcommit22:26
ScottK-laptopFor?22:27
apacheloggermakes vcs packaging much more useful22:27
apacheloggeryou can generate commit messages based on new changelog entries22:27
apacheloggerand create a bzr tag once you uploaded a new version22:27
apacheloggerwhich comes in handy when diffing the changes between specific package revisions22:27
* nixternal just chuckled from seele's freudian slip :)22:34
seeleheh22:34
rgreening:P22:48
jjessewhat freudian slip?22:53
* ScottK-laptop was wondering too22:58
Tm_Toh, seele is here too23:00
=== ScottK2 is now known as ScottK-desktop
_Groo_ppl what can i do to avoid this warnings?23:28
_Groo_dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: symbol _ZN17KviKvsRunTimeCall7warningERK7QStringz used by debian/kvirc-kde4/usr/lib/kvirc/4.0/modules/libkviperl.so found in none of the libraries.23:28
ScottK_Groo_: Just ignore it.23:33
_Groo_ScottK: yeah but it drains a LOT of cpu :P23:34
ScottK-laptopActually it doesn't.23:35
_Groo_ScottK: my laptop cpu metter disagrees with you :D23:38
ScottKdpkg-shlibdeps takes CPU warning or not.23:39
JontheEchidnayeah, it's a big cpu-time sink23:40
JontheEchidnargreening: zomg, found you in the wine bug tracker23:40
NCommanderrgreening, ping23:46

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