[01:48] <Riddell> ~twitter update cycled over mountains to santa cruz, weather dreich
[01:48] <kubotu> status updated
[01:55]  * Hobbsee waves
[02:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: back down under?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yup
[02:17] <Hobbsee> got home a copule of hours ago
[02:35] <seele> ah.. did we talk about default window sizes in one of the sessions? it should probably go in one of the specs
[02:35] <seele> we need to review apps and submit bugs with the optimal default size upstream
[02:36] <seele> and i thought i had something to do with the KubuntuJauntySetup but i dont see anything in the gobby doc.  hmm
[02:41] <Riddell> that would be a good spec for the window sizes stuff
[02:41] <seele> there just needs to be one window size.  i dont think different apps need different sizes
[02:42] <seele> users will change them if they need to.  i think the point was to make sure that they are sane (e.g. not tiny like system monitor) and that if they need to be slightly larger to fit all of the icons on, then do so
[02:42]  * seele puts it on her todo
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> btw, the way we set default size for okular causes bug 292098
[02:43] <Riddell> yeah, that's a pain to fix, need a script or something
[02:44] <seele> yeah.. but i think that is a bug in kwin isn't it?  because the option is supposed to remove itself after the first time it is used but it doesn't
[02:47] <Riddell> I suspect the kwin people think this is how it should behave
[02:47] <seele> that's not how it is documented!
[02:47] <seele> one option is forced, one option is persistent, and one option is temporary
[02:48] <seele> well whatever, it was only meant as a stop gap anyway.  the apps themselves ought to be fixed
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> This was to work around Okular not saving its window size, correct?
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> I believe that bug was in kdelibs and was fixed in KDE 4.2
[02:49] <seele> no, konsole had that bug
[02:50] <seele> this was to make okular ~40px wider so all of the buttons would show in the toolbar
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> oh
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> ...though it wouldn't remember a bigger window size anyway, unless forced with kwin rules. (bug 186122)
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> well, if you maximized it :P
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> that's what I was confusing the other bug with
[02:57] <nixternal> anyone else having issues with Qt4 Designer in Intrepid with kubuntu-experimental packages? It keeps seg faulting on me
[02:58] <Hobbsee> nixternal: well, trying to run it on vista would *have* to be an unsupported configuration
[02:58] <nixternal> grrr
[02:58]  * Hobbsee grins evilly
[03:00] <seele> nixternal: was it you who said we need to have a kubuntu meeting real soon now?
[03:01] <nixternal> wasn't me, but I think we need to do it asap
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: works for me (tm)
[03:09] <nixternal> ahh, figured it out...skulpture theme is breaking it
[03:12] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 308060
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> aiee, /me forgot something on the wiki
[03:13] <seele> JontheEchidna: was it you who asked about porting the kopete irc plugin?
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> nope
[03:13] <seele> hmm.. it's too far back out of my buffer.  oh well
[03:14] <JontheEchidna> seele: manchicken did, though
[03:14] <seele> JontheEchidna: ok, thanks
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> yw
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> All the ladies love my big bugger :D
[03:15]  * JontheEchidna couldn't resist
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> *buffer, even
[03:16]  * JontheEchidna wonders who the wiseguy who placed f next to g is
[03:50] <nixternal> Riddell: so how far did you ride yesterday?
[03:57] <seele> nixternal: it's going to be ~60 tomorrow :)
[03:58] <nixternal> what?
[03:58] <nixternal> we are under a winter weather advisory :(
[03:59] <seele> hehe
[03:59]  * seele enjoys the warm weather before she spends a week in pittsburgh
[04:01]  * nixternal goes to enjoy HIS OWN BED!!!
[04:01] <nixternal> g'nite
[04:02]  * Hobbsee deflated the mattress a while ago
[04:04]  * seele could use another day before returning to work
[04:49] <Riddell> nixternal: dunno but it included a lot of ups and downs
[08:14] <Tonio_> hi there
[10:34] <seaLne> \sh: have you been using 4.2b1? plasma is behaiving weirdly for me on my second head
[10:39] <birnisson> hi, how are kde 4.2 beta 2 packages for intrepid looking? :)
[12:13] <nixternal> Tonio_: how was the flight home?
[12:13] <nixternal> seele: ya, I could use another day as well...I am tired
[13:13] <rgreening> Tonio_: ping
[13:14] <rgreening> Riddell: happen to remember what that patch was called for flash in konqueror and was it in kdebase or somewhere else?
[13:31] <nixternal> well, I will be working from home today....we had one hell of an ice storm last night and car looks like 1 giant ice cube
[13:32] <nixternal> it is -18c outside right now, not including the wind chill
[13:32] <nixternal> -26c with the windchill
[13:37] <rgreening> ow
[13:37] <rgreening> brrr
[13:50] <apachelogger> nixternal: frosty the snowman?
[13:52] <nixternal> frosty the nixternalman
[13:52] <apachelogger> point
[14:01] <nixternal> I hereby declare vpnc to be a piece of garbage!
[14:02] <popey> :)
[14:02] <nixternal> wasabi popey!
[14:02] <popey> i found kvpnc (under gnome) to be pretty usable
[14:02] <jjesse> i thought you were a piece of garbage :)
[14:02] <nixternal> I am, but that still doesn't mean that vpnc should be as well
[14:03] <nixternal> I connect to our work domain fine the first time, after that, it kills my damn dns crap and can no longer connect to the domain except by IP
[14:10] <jjesse> i've never gotten vpnc to work correctly
[14:11] <jjesse> especially with my microsoft pptp vpn that i need to use
[14:18] <apachelogger> Nightrose: png
[14:19] <Nightrose> apachelogger: png
[14:19] <Nightrose> or is it jpg?
[14:19] <apachelogger> jpg
[14:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can you please update to latest amarok-nightly
[14:19] <Nightrose> k
[14:19] <apachelogger> it should fix0r the GHNS b0rkness
[14:19] <Nightrose> yay
[14:20] <Nightrose> oh i already updated today
[14:20] <Nightrose> seems i am on the newest one
[14:20] <Nightrose> let's see
[14:22] <Nightrose> apachelogger: no change :(
[14:22] <Nightrose> so either i don't have the newest one or it is not fixed
[14:22] <apachelogger> hm
[14:22]  * apachelogger checks buildlog
[14:23] <apachelogger> it  would be weird, because it seems to be fixed in kde-nightly
[14:24] <apachelogger> -- Installing: /build/buildd/amarok-nightly-20081214+svn896896/debian/tmp/opt/amarok-nightly/etc/kde4/amarok.knsrc
[14:24] <apachelogger> Nightrose: it should be working really
[14:24] <Nightrose> :/
[14:25] <Nightrose> ohhh
[14:25] <Nightrose> maybe i still have the old version running
[14:25] <Nightrose> let me restart amarok
[14:25] <Nightrose> sec
[14:25] <apachelogger> *wait*
[14:26] <Nightrose> yay!
[14:26]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger
[14:26] <Nightrose> works
[14:26] <apachelogger> \o/
[14:26] <Nightrose> sorry
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger++
[14:27] <apachelogger> ~twitter update I fixed all of neon!
[14:27] <kubotu> status updated
[14:30] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kde2.png
[14:30] <apachelogger> more organized dependency graph
[14:31] <jjesse> does the twitter work for everyone or how do you set it up?
[14:32] <apachelogger> ~help twitter
[14:32] <kubotu> twitter status [nick] => show nick's (or your) status, use 'twitter friends status [nick]' to also show the friends' timeline | twitter update [status] => updates your status on twitter | twitter identify [username] [password] => ties your nick to your twitter username and password | twitter actions [on|off] => enable/disable twitting of actions (/me does ...)
[14:32] <seele> ~twitter update twittering from irc to the same group of people seems like overkill
[14:32] <kubotu> status updated
[14:32] <jjesse> lol
[14:32] <jjesse> ~twitter update i agree with seele
[14:32] <kubotu> you must identify using 'twitter identify [username] [password]'
[14:33] <jjesse> twitter identify jjesse jes478SE
[14:33]  * seele blinks
[14:33] <jjesse> that stinks
[14:33] <seele> might want to change your password ;)
[14:33] <jjesse> i know
[14:34] <jjesse> ~twitter help
[14:34] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter'
[14:34] <jjesse> oh well won't worry about that now, time to start teaching class
[14:34]  * jjesse changed password
[14:34] <apachelogger> jjesse: query kubotu and do what you did before
[14:34] <apachelogger> twitter identify...
[14:36] <jjesse> i hate this web client for irc im using today
[15:35] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: (from about two days ago) here's the svn for kvirc (the KDE4 version) http://www.kvirc.de/?id=svn&lang=en
[15:37] <rgreening> ty ScottK-laptop
[15:37] <ScottK-laptop> yw
[15:49] <nixternal> nice
[15:53] <ScottK> I've been using quassel for most of a week now and while I mostly like Konversation better, the little bubble popup when someone directs something at me is absolutely killer.
[15:56] <ScottK-laptop> I see 8.04.2 is getting ready to go out.
[15:56] <ScottK-laptop> It'd be killer if we had a kubuntu.org announcement about 8.04.2 that has KDE 3.5.10.
[15:59] <nixternal> true
[16:08] <gustavonarea> With the help of somebody at #kde, I've found a bug on one of the packages: kwalletmanager doesn't work on my computer because the "kwalletd" application is not included in "kdelibs-bin": http://paste.chrisarndt.de/paste/850ba77d66c8447abf2f291b8bb75425
[16:09] <gustavonarea> I'm using KDE 4.2 Beta 1
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> funny, I have kwalletd
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> quite strange...
[16:12]  * JontheEchidna looks in to it
[16:13] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: I'm attempting to package kvirc now...
[16:14] <gustavonarea> JontheEchidna: This might help: http://paste.chrisarndt.de/paste/475ecac31ad746d4a0d488aac2db1d7d
[16:14] <ScottK> rgreening: Great.  I'd suggest you package it as kvirc-kde4 until we know if it's actually mature enough to replace the current kvirc.
[16:14] <ScottK> Looking reasonably hard for a KDE4 IRC client, that's all I came up with.
[16:14] <nixternal> ScottK: that was my recommendation as well at UDS
[16:14] <nixternal> the KVirc KDE 4 client has shaped up very nicely
[16:15] <nixternal> some minor bugs here and there, but it is way further along that Konversation
[16:15] <nixternal> though KVirc is not newb friendly
[16:15] <ScottK> Well maybe we can convince them to work on that in the next couple of months if they want to be Kubuntu's default IRC client.
[16:16] <ScottK> Personally, I'd have voted for keeping Konversation, but I guess I'd have lost.
[16:16] <nixternal> think the power of irssi just with a gui
[16:16] <nixternal> well, we will keep konversation if k3b doesn't get a solid kde4 release
[16:16] <nixternal> at least that's what we said during one of the sessions
[16:18] <rgreening> yeah, no sense keeping/maintaining KDE 3.5 only for konversation. However, for K3B, it would be very crucial
[16:18] <nixternal> I don't think K3b is going to release in time for kde 4.2
[16:23] <ScottK> It's not like kde3libs can get removed in any case, just dropped to Universe, so it'll still have to be 'maintained' to some degree.
[16:27] <nixternal> correct, just wouldn't ship on the CD
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> gustavonarea: don't know what to tell you. build-logs indicate that everything in kde4libs is built (besides two optional, unrelated components) and that everything that is built is installed to a package
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> I would assume that kwalletd no longer exists in KDE 4.2
[16:43] <gustavonarea> JontheEchidna: I was told on #kde that it should be present
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:43] <gustavonarea> you're using KDE 4.2 Beta 1 from the experimental repository too?
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> it's in kdebase-workspace-bin-kde4
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> are you sure everything's up to date?
[16:45] <gustavonarea> yes, absolutely
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> could you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" please?
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> and then "dpkg -L kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4"
[16:48] <gustavonarea> JontheEchidna: http://paste.turbogears.org/paste/19078 and http://paste.turbogears.org/paste/19079
[16:48] <gustavonarea> JontheEchidna: I'm using this repos, just in case: http://paste.turbogears.org/paste/19077
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> ok, now that is really, really weird
[16:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kwalletd is part of kdebase
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> I have the exact same version as you from the same repo
[16:50] <apachelogger> or kdebase-*
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> but your dpkg -L kwalletd isn't in kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4, while mine says it is
[16:51] <apachelogger> gustavonarea: dpkg -s kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4
[16:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: dpkg -S /usr/bin/kwalletd is more efficient ;-)
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> heh
[16:52] <gustavonarea> apachelogger, JontheEchidna: http://paste.turbogears.org/paste/19080
[16:52] <apachelogger> ~np
[16:52] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "In Dulci Jubilo" by Mike Oldfield
[16:52] <apachelogger> that is about wrong
[16:53] <apachelogger> gustavonarea: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4
[16:55] <gustavonarea> apachelogger: that finally installed kwalletd, but now I get this error when I try to run it: kwalletd: error while loading shared libraries: libkdeinit4_kwalletd.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:55] <apachelogger> your system is b0rked
[16:55] <apachelogger> gustavonarea: run sudo apt-get check
[16:56] <gustavonarea> apachelogger: http://paste.turbogears.org/paste/19081
[16:57]  * apachelogger is out of ideas
[16:57] <apachelogger> gustavonarea: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdelibs5
[16:58] <apachelogger> but I expect more things to be wrong
[16:58] <gustavonarea> apachelogger, I get the same error
[16:59] <apachelogger> try kdebase-runtime
[16:59] <apachelogger> anyway
[16:59] <apachelogger> gustavonarea: #kubuntu that is not really a problem with the package
[17:00] <gustavonarea> apachelogger: I was told that on #kde
[17:01] <apachelogger> gustavonarea: you were told what?
[17:02] <gustavonarea> apachelogger: didn't you want me to let people at #kubuntu that it wasn't a problem in the packege?
[17:04] <apachelogger> gustavonarea: no, you shall ask someone in #kubuntu guide you because it is a usual support request, while the people in #kde thought it is a packaging issue which is why they sent you here and not #kubuntu
[17:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: any clue why utils depends on pimlibs?
[17:05] <gustavonarea> apachelogger: oh! `sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdebase-runtime` solved the problem
[17:05] <gustavonarea> thanks!
[17:05] <apachelogger> gustavonarea: there are most likely more problems
[17:05] <apachelogger> if you expierence something similar ask in #kubuntu
[17:05] <gustavonarea> ok, thanks
[17:05] <apachelogger> though beta2 is going to be published soon, so the upgrade should sort all remaining file issues
[17:06] <gustavonarea> that would be great
[18:07] <Riddell> rgreening: that patch would be in kdebase any kde 3 version
[18:07] <Riddell> don't know the name
[18:10] <rgreening> Riddell: yeah, I had a cursory look... nothing stood out. I'll go back and review again. Know when it was last in? 3.5.x?
[18:10] <rgreening> I checked 3.5.10 in hardy
[18:10] <Riddell> should be there
[18:11] <rgreening> k. I'll recheck
[19:11] <torkiano> hello, is there a easy solution for bug 253854?
[19:12] <ScottK-laptop> Isn't that fixed?
[19:13] <ScottK-laptop> I guess not.  I think it's python-qt4 I was thinking has Phonon bindings now.
[19:22] <rgreening_> hmmm... default kvirc is kind of ick looking
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> rgreening_ apachelogger's exact words were "eww"
[19:23] <rgreening_> yep
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> lol
[19:23] <rgreening_> I'd upload the package, but I'm not sure I really want to
[19:28] <LaserJock> is kvirc a KDE4 app?
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[19:29] <torkiano> ScottK-laptop: see this comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/253854/comments/3
[19:29] <LaserJock> JontheEchidna: but Konversation isn't?
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> nope
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> well I think they have a pre-alpha kde4 port
[19:31] <LaserJock> JontheEchidna: do you happen to know if Kile has been ported yet?
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> don't think it has yet
[19:32] <ScottK-laptop> The kvirc in the repos is KDE3.  Their svn has a unreleased KDE4 version.
[19:34] <rgreening_> ScottK-laptop: yeah, and too many options and buttons. Also seems a bit on the laggy side (svn ver).
[19:37] <ScottK-laptop> Well we have time before Feature Freeze.
[19:37] <ScottK-laptop> Could it be bent into something suitable?
[19:37] <ScottK-laptop> Quassel that can't get there I don't think.
[19:38] <ScottK-laptop> Although I kind of like some aspects of it.
[19:39] <LaserJock> I've always liked Konversation but I've not tried too many KDE IRC apps
[19:40] <rgreening_> ScottK-laptop: I'll dput the deb I have made. It needs work, but it will at least install and run. Feel free to look at the customizations that would be required. Perhaps someone would come up with a patch to Kubuntuize it
[19:41] <rgreening_> ScottK-laptop: uploading to http://launchpad.net/roderick-greening PPA
[19:42] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening_: How about to REVU?
[19:43] <rgreening_> ScottK-laptop: It's no where ready for that. I was thinking more on giving it to someone to have a look at, see if it's even work the effort.
[19:43] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[19:43] <rgreening_> i.e. the config settings etc...
[19:43] <rgreening_> see if we can mold it into something clean
[19:44] <rgreening_> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/roderick-greening/ubuntu intrepid main
[19:45] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening_: I'll grab the source.  I don't install binaries from unsigned repos on my machines.
[19:53] <rgreening_> lol
[19:54] <jussi01> hrm, thats sad that quassel wont be ready. you sure we cant help it along enough?
[19:55] <ScottK-laptop> jussi01: It's very complicated to set up IMO.
[19:56] <jussi01> ScottK-laptop: true, to a point. the monolithic one is qute simple
[19:56] <rgreening_> JontheEchidna, apachelogger, Riddell, nixternal, seele, et al... Have a look at KVirc in PPA listed above. See if you think this a viable replacement for konversation.
[19:56] <ScottK-laptop> Well I didn't try the monolithic one.
[19:57] <rgreening_> jussi01: how easy is it and how functional?
[19:57] <rgreening_> jussi01: also, which package is the monolithic one?
[19:58] <jussi01> rgreening: hrm, not sure if the monolithic is in the repos, I know it was broken for some time, but they reenabled it in git recently
[19:59] <jussi01> rgreening: the thing is, if we tell the lads what to do, then I think they will be fairly open to attempting toget things done
[19:59] <rgreening_> oh... hmm... dam another package to build...
[19:59] <jussi01> hehe
[20:01] <jussi01> rgreening: ScottK-laptop this is a quote from one of the quassel devs: [14:09:04] <Sput> maybe if they send us a list of things to fix to make it happen, we can do it :)
[20:02] <ScottK-laptop> jussi01: OK.  Step 0 is to pop out a release that adds the openssl exception to their licensing so we can build the SSL version and test with that.
[20:03] <ScottK-laptop> jussi01: Step 1 is show us how to patch it to have #kubuntu set up and ready to go on install.
[20:04] <jussi01> ScottK-laptop: ok. those 2 shouldnt be hard. Ill have a chat to them
[20:05] <jussi01> although Nightrose may have already had a chat
[20:05] <ScottK-laptop> I did mention the licensing question to her and she said she'd pass it on.
[20:05] <jussi01> I remember a discussion in their channel, just trying to find it now
[20:06] <jussi01> ScottK-laptop: [21:00:20] <Sput> meanwhile I'll close that bug, no idea how to reach Scott, so please relay to him that we don't link to SSL and should be fine
[20:07] <jussi01> so thats step 0 done
[20:07]  * Nightrose looks
[20:07] <Nightrose> ah yea
[20:07] <jussi01> heya Nightrose!!!
[20:07] <ScottK-laptop> jussi01: We need the SSL version.
[20:07] <Nightrose> they said Harald fixed that already
[20:07] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[20:08]  * Nightrose curses at plasma
[20:08] <Nightrose> third time it makes my computer unusable today and i don't know why
[20:09] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: One thing I've been meaning to mention about your kde-ufw project is don't repeat the policy violation the gui-ufw folks did.  See Bug #262405 for details.
[20:09] <rgreening> yeah, I know.
[20:10] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: I talked to the ufw maintainer, and he has a API (sort of) that I can use.
[20:10] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Just making sure ...
[20:10] <rgreening> It may need to be altered a bit and repackaged to ensure I can load as a python module
[20:11] <ScottK-laptop> But this is the time in the release to be getting stuff like that figured out, so great.
[20:11] <rgreening> yep
[20:12] <jjesse> rgreening: ping me when you have something working i can document :)
[20:12] <jjesse> rgreening: also will it sty ubuntu only or go upstream or?
[20:12] <jjesse> rgreening: what's the launchpad link, i'll register a branch for documentation that will remind me to do it
[20:13] <rgreening> jjesse: http://launchpad.net/ufw-kde
[20:15] <DaSkreech> Wine by default?
[20:16] <_Groo_> hi/2 all...
[20:17] <_Groo_> hey apacheloggerdid you receive my email about koffice2 beta4?
[20:19] <ScottK> DaSkreech: From yesterday, "...word on the latest for the "official" KDE3 for Ibex" is No.
[20:19] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: do you know if IRC nick jamie is the ufw maintainer?
[20:20] <DaSkreech> ScottK: as in No we will not proceed or No we have no further word ?
[20:20] <ScottK> rgreening: jdstrand usually.
[20:20] <rgreening> ok
[20:20] <ScottK> DaSkreech: No.  There won't be any.
[20:20] <DaSkreech> ScottK: So the PPA will be taken down ?
[20:20] <DaSkreech> Or just won't be referenced by anyone ?
[20:20] <ScottK-laptop> DaSkreech: No.  No reason it should be taken down.
[20:21] <ScottK-laptop> If a community member wants to provide packages, there's nothing stopping them.
[20:21] <DaSkreech> I thought a community member was doing packages
[20:21] <ScottK-laptop> He was.
[20:21] <ScottK-laptop> Not official.
[20:21] <DaSkreech>  but needed a MOTU on the team to inspect the packages which hadn't happened cause no onee could get in contact wit hthem
[20:21] <DaSkreech> or him
[20:21] <DaSkreech> assuming it was a him doing the packages
[20:22] <ScottK-laptop> We gave him some feedback and he went off to redo his packages is the last I heard.
[20:22] <ScottK-laptop> But those packages are in no sense part of Kubuntu.
[20:22] <DaSkreech> I didn't expect them to be
[20:23] <ScottK-laptop> OK, then I'm confused about you asking about 'official' packages then.
[20:23] <DaSkreech> but people keep asking for kde3 packages and finding some random idiot on the net who is doing all sorts of rubbish
[20:23] <DaSkreech> More like "blessed"
[20:23] <DaSkreech>  :-)
[20:23] <DaSkreech> As in if you want to try third party packages then look here
[20:23] <ScottK-laptop> I don't know of anyone who's invested the time to go that far.
[20:24] <ScottK-laptop> IMO people who want KDE3 should run Hardy.
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> he did redo the packages and has put them in a ppa
[20:24] <DaSkreech> All that's required is someone who wants to package KDE3 and is willing to do it in a way that won't screw up other Ibex packages
[20:24] <DaSkreech> Which would probably involve giving MOTU's access so they can inspect
[20:24] <ScottK-laptop> It's not random we (meaning mostly me and awen) went to the trouble to update Hardy to 3.5.10.
[20:25] <DaSkreech> ScottK-laptop: Certainly. If someone can stay on Hardy then they should
[20:25] <ScottK-laptop> DaSkreech: The reason we didn't do KDE3 for Intrepid was lack of manpower.  I don't think that's chagnged.
[20:26] <DaSkreech> Yeah I realise but there is also a demand for KDE3 packages perhaps we can use that to coax more involvement and hence more manpower ?
[20:26] <DaSkreech> And it's directly into packaging too :) so they can move over when there is less a entrancement with KDE3
[20:28] <DaSkreech> If one or two people are willing to start a group I think it would be easy to get others to join
[20:29] <DaSkreech> Plus they would probably start a recruiting binge as well
[20:29] <ScottK> Well the first time I didn't have to do make -f debian/rules build-prep for a KDE update, I was a very happy man.
[20:30] <ScottK> I'm probably not going to invest much more time in KDE3 stuff.
[20:30] <DaSkreech> I don't think anyone on the team should have to post hardy.
[20:30] <DaSkreech> The announcment was made that KDE4 is the future of KDE and that is where Kubuntu is going
[20:31] <DaSkreech> But anyone who is still heavily invested in their (and KDE's) past should be given a channel to work in
[20:31] <DaSkreech> Much like aseigo inviting whoever would like to fork KDE to do so
[20:32] <ScottK-laptop> Right, I don't think anyone has discouraged them, just discouraged them from doing it badly.
[20:33] <DaSkreech> OK I guess in short who's the guy with the PPA that was under review?
[21:01] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: quassel doesn't use SSL directly, it goes through Qt ... in earlier versions it did a recursive linking which made quassel link to ossl, but that is fixed for months
[21:02] <_Groo_> hi apachelogger
[21:03] <apachelogger> _Groo_: I fowarded it to vorian for building, he is rather occupied with real life though
[21:03] <_Groo_> apachelogger: did you receive my email about koffice2 beta4?
[21:03] <apachelogger> I'll try to get it testbuilt once KDE 4.1.85 is out
[21:03] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ha ok, but did you checked it?
[21:03] <smarter> wow, answer before question :]
[21:03] <apachelogger> <-- allmighty
[21:04] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok :)
[21:04] <_Groo_> apachelogger: btw any ETA on 4.1.85?
[21:04] <smarter> _Groo_: almost but not quiet, entirely not finished
[21:05] <_Groo_> smarter: but is he tagged yet?
[21:05] <smarter> yup
[21:05] <smarter> _Groo_: see http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Release_Schedule
[21:06] <_Groo_> smarter: nice :) cant wait :D
[21:06] <_Groo_> smarter: is the libamsn included this time? i can help with that if it isnt the case
[21:06] <smarter> libmsn? not sure if someone backported it
[21:06] <smarter> JontheEchidna: ^ ?
[21:07] <_Groo_> https://edge.launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/+build/811078/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.koffice2_1.9.98.3-1ubuntu4~padoka3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:07] <apachelogger> jonny just needs to backport to experimental and change the kopete.install accordingly
[21:07] <_Groo_> smarter: iwthout it, kopete cant use live msn.. i backported it and rebuilt kdenetwork for kde4.1 beta1
[21:07] <smarter> yup, we know
[21:07] <_Groo_> sorry for the pastem wrong tab :P
[21:16]  * DaSkreech downloaded .85 from Fedora last night
[21:16] <DaSkreech>  the Tooltip windows are sexy but annoying
[21:22] <_Groo_> apachelogger: im just talking to the launchpad guys.. the buildd is broken allright, he wasnt calling the universe packages as i expected.. thats why i was having such a nightmare building koffice
[21:22] <apachelogger> _Groo_: I see
[21:24] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok, most redudant replay of the day :D
[21:24] <_Groo_> redundant reply
[21:25] <DaSkreech> Anyone looked at the listing for Wine as default option in Jaunty ?
[21:26]  * ScottK-laptop is trying not to cringe too hard.
[21:26] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: I have the quassel package from intrepid-backports and it claims it's not built with SSL support.
[21:27]  * apachelogger is using the jaunty client, which should be the same version and is only connectiong via SSL
[21:27]  * ScottK-laptop just got done explaining AGAIN to $MIDDLE_CHILD that the rest of her relatives don't use OOo, so she needs to mail out her Christmas list in .doc and not .odt.
[21:27] <_Groo_> lol
[21:28] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: how about pdf? ;-)
[21:28] <Hobbsee> pdfs are good for that.
[21:28] <_Groo_> ScottK-laptop: send the odf converter to relatives instead of .doc *hit
[21:28] <ScottK-laptop> That'd work too.
[21:28] <ScottK-laptop> Well I'm about to do a follow-up to all of them on the benifits of open standards and here's where to install OpenOffice from ....
[21:29] <_Groo_> ScottK-laptop: lol.. look dear.. our nut crack relative sent us the benefits of OO again... LOL LOL.. ahhh the benefits of the trash can
[21:30] <apachelogger> oi vei!
[21:30] <ScottK> Yes, well there is that, but I don't do it very often.
[21:30] <ScottK> My 75 year old father was visiting here over the weekend and managed to use Kubuntu 8.10 with not too much trouble.
[21:31] <DaSkreech> ^_^
[21:31] <_Groo_> ScottK: linux desktop isnt hard.. no modern desktop is... the problem is that linux ISNT windows.. and windows users are lazy by nature... god forbid them to learn anything new
[21:33] <ScottK-laptop> Maybe I'll convert him when I visit for Christmas.
[21:33] <Hobbsee> _Groo_: may they never update to vista.
[21:33]  * DaSkreech boots up Computer.
[21:33] <DaSkreech> Dear have you noticed the computer looks kinda strange since ScottK visited?
[21:33] <ScottK-laptop> Hobbsee: No.  Once they update to Vista it's great, because I can no longer support them.
[21:33] <Hobbsee> ScottK-laptop: well, in terms of not wanting to learn new things
[21:34] <DaSkreech> And when did we buy Windows Kubuntu ?
[21:34] <_Groo_> Hobbsee: my wife uses vista (ms tax) and ubuntu.. the vista edition that came was home edition.. did you guys know the home edition only allow you to open three active samba connects? :D hilarious
[21:34] <ScottK-laptop> I'd actually check and see if they thought it was OK first.
[21:34] <DaSkreech> Well Windows 7 Is basically KDE4 so far...
[21:34] <ScottK-laptop> Only less so.
[21:35] <Hobbsee> _Groo_: hah!
[21:35] <DaSkreech> and with out sexy sliding tooltips
[21:35] <DaSkreech> Seriously they are fascinating :)
[21:35] <_Groo_> DaSkreech: why are you putting kde4 so low? win7 = kde 4.2? AH! not by a looooooooooooooog shot.. not even 4.1
[21:36] <DaSkreech> _Groo_: Huh ?
[21:36] <cbr> hi, updated xorg in jaunty
[21:36] <cbr> -> xorg segfaults
[21:36] <cbr> -> happy times
[21:36] <DaSkreech> as in So far from what they have shown in Windows 7
[21:36] <DaSkreech> Except that KDE4 doesn't do multi touch
[21:36] <_Groo_> DaSkreech: you said win7 was kde4.. not it isnt.. he doesnt even come close to kde4
[21:37] <DaSkreech> THough X may have that sorted out by the time Windows 7 arrives
[21:37] <DaSkreech> _Groo_: No it doesn't it probably already has more market share
[21:38] <Tm_T> cbr: driver?
[21:38] <_Groo_> DaSkreech: yes it does.. use compiz with multitouch, multipoint and redirect input.. then we talk
[21:38] <cbr> intel
[21:38] <DaSkreech> ewww
[21:39] <_Groo_> DaSkreech: and if thats all MS can show.. multitouch, well, 2 more years for THAT? :D
[21:40] <Tm_T> _Groo_: they hadnt kde4 last year yet
[21:42] <_Groo_> apachelogger: launch devs are fixing my account in ppa... in an hour or so ill be able to build koffice without a problem, \o/
[21:44] <mornfall> So what about that rumour that kubuntu is dropping adept (for kpackagekit)? I could use some reliable data, so I can plan ahead accordingly, wrt Adept.
[21:45] <rgreening> someone shoot me... If I have another coughing fix I'm going to implode
[21:46] <rgreening> s/fix/fit
[21:47]  * _Groo_ shoots rgreening
[21:47] <_Groo_> there
[21:48] <rgreening> *thump*
[21:49] <ScottK> rgreening: BTW, your kvirc-kde4 package is a native package and it shouldn't be.
[21:49] <cbr> my profound wisdom of completing my lab reports *before* updating to the dri2-enabled xserver paid off
[21:49] <_Groo_> cbr: ati?
[21:49] <rgreening> ScottK: right... doh
[21:49] <cbr> intel
[21:49] <rgreening> Im not completely with it *sniff*
[21:49] <_Groo_> cbr: hmmm should work.. what X is telling you?
[21:50] <cbr> it outputs a backtrace into the .log
[21:50] <_Groo_> cbr: what component?
[21:51] <_Groo_> rgreening: where can i get your ksirc-kde4?
[21:52] <cbr> it seems to be a bug
[21:53] <rgreening> _Groo_: my PPA: http://launchpad.net/~roderick/greening/+archive
[21:53] <cbr> the intel driver crashes
[21:53] <rgreening> _Groo_: my PPA: http://launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive
[21:54] <rgreening> _Groo_: it's still in testing...
[21:55] <rgreening> and its kvirc not ksirc (in case that matters)
[21:55] <_Groo_> rgreening: :) no propblem
[21:56] <_Groo_> i would love to see a better search for packages in ppas... like package.ubuntu but for ppas
[21:57] <_Groo_> rgreening: do you mind if i backport it to intrepid?
[21:59] <_Groo_> finally koffice is building.. me so happy :)
[22:01] <rgreening> go ahead
[22:02] <_Groo_> rgreening: :) is it usable yet?
[22:02] <rgreening> yes
[22:02] <_Groo_> oka, backporting ::)
[22:03] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: Why do you have an empty prerm in the package?
[22:05] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: You have usr/lib/*.so* in both kvirc.install and kvirc-dev.install
[22:05] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: Please don't over-ride the lintian check for missing man page.  Lintian is correct in this case.
[22:06] <NCommander> hey rgreening
[22:06] <ScottK-laptop> Annoying, but correct.
[22:08]  * NCommander wonders if he can get ALSA to recongize his laptop's headphone jack
[22:09] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: You have a patch in debian/patches, but no series file and you're using quilt, so either add debian/series if the patch is needed or drop the patch if it isn't.
[22:09] <_Groo_> ScottK: btw where can i get a good doc for patching debs? im kinda doing it by ear...
[22:10] <ScottK-laptop> !packaging guide
[22:10] <ScottK-laptop> has a section on it.
[22:11] <_Groo_> ok tks
[22:11] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: thanks for the help. I based it off of the old package, which obviously had errors. Oh, and the *.so.* != *.so*
[22:11] <ScottK> rgreening: Finally, I'd package it as kvirc-kde4.  OK.
[22:12] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: I may need some suggestions on what to do there...
[22:12] <rgreening> the exe is kvirc4
[22:12] <_Groo_> rgreening: dont forget to make him conflict with kvirc
[22:13] <rgreening> us
[22:13] <ScottK> rgreening: Yeah, just make it conflict with kvirc.
[22:13] <rgreening> yes
[22:13] <rgreening> ok
[22:13] <ScottK> My thought isn't to make it co-installable, but to make it easy to switch back.
[22:13] <rgreening> thanks for the help.
[22:13] <ScottK> No problem.  Thanks for working on it.
[22:13] <rgreening> ah. I see
[22:15] <_Groo_> rgreening: ive just changed you package to build on intrepid, and renamed it to kvirc-kde4, kvirc-kde4-data and kvirc-kde4-dev, conflicting with kvirc < 4.00
[22:15] <rgreening> cool. can you send me the diff?
[22:16] <_Groo_> rgreening: basically is what you have, i just changed the changelog and control acordingly.. :)
[22:16] <rgreening> ok
[22:17] <rgreening> doh.. my brain isn't working. I understand it now
[22:17] <rgreening> heh
[22:17] <nixternal> I am glad someone understands it...I have no clue what I am doing
[22:17] <_Groo_> rgreening: :)
[22:17] <_Groo_> nixternal: ??
[22:18] <nixternal> just being silly
[22:18] <rgreening> nixternal: heh. It's foggy at best and having a cold makes it worse
[22:18] <nixternal> no cold here yet...soon the UDS plague will kick in
[22:18] <rgreening> I got it on the plane back
[22:19] <rgreening> dam 0passenders with germs
[22:19] <nixternal> nice, there were only 16 people on my plane back
[22:19] <nixternal> nobody wanted to go to chicago...don't blame them after last night
[22:19] <rgreening> mine was packed with pitri dishes or bacteria
[22:19]  * ScottK hands rgreening a triple shot espresso and some no-doze and says get back to work.
[22:19] <nixternal> lol
[22:19] <rgreening> heh
[22:19] <nixternal> jeesh, just don't get one of the expressos tonio made at google
[22:20] <nixternal> every sip was a near death experience
[22:20] <rgreening> it was a quad shot of expresso
[22:20] <rgreening> I saw him make it
[22:20] <rgreening> :)
[22:20] <nixternal> it was wrong
[22:20] <ScottK> Hmmmm.
[22:20] <rgreening> that takes committment
[22:20] <nixternal> ya it does
[22:21] <rgreening> The hotel called, they said they are missing some pillows...
[22:21] <jjesse> nixternal: you enjoying the whole blago stuff?  looks like there might be a special election now?  what a joke :)
[22:21] <nixternal> that turkish coffee was really good though...still trying to find a persian restaraunt around here
[22:21] <nixternal> jjesse: ya, hopefully they have a special election and a republican gets the seat
[22:22] <nixternal> I am sorry, the 4 democrats named are tainted
[22:22] <jjesse> nixternal: wouldn't that piss everyone off :)
[22:22] <jjesse> totally tainted
[22:22] <nixternal> it wouldn't piss me off..it would make me dance
[22:22] <ScottK-laptop> My favorite quote was from the US Attorney, he said something like, "I won't say Illinois is the most corrupt state in the country because I don't have 49 other states to compare it with, but it's definitely in the running."
[22:23] <nixternal> hahaha
[22:23]  * ScottK-laptop recalls visiting Chicago (on a school trip, without parents) in High School and being pleased to discover that the drinking age in Chicago was "tall enough to reach the counter".
[22:25] <nixternal> ScottK-laptop: that definitely shows your age :)
[22:25] <ScottK-laptop> It's not like that anymore?
[22:26] <nixternal> oh no
[22:26] <nixternal> though you can find some places that don't card
[22:26] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: you should take a look at debcommit
[22:27] <ScottK-laptop> For?
[22:27] <apachelogger> makes vcs packaging much more useful
[22:27] <apachelogger> you can generate commit messages based on new changelog entries
[22:27] <apachelogger> and create a bzr tag once you uploaded a new version
[22:27] <apachelogger> which comes in handy when diffing the changes between specific package revisions
[22:34]  * nixternal just chuckled from seele's freudian slip :)
[22:34] <seele> heh
[22:48] <rgreening> :P
[22:53] <jjesse> what freudian slip?
[22:58]  * ScottK-laptop was wondering too
[23:00] <Tm_T> oh, seele is here too
[23:28] <_Groo_> ppl what can i do to avoid this warnings?
[23:28] <_Groo_> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: symbol _ZN17KviKvsRunTimeCall7warningERK7QStringz used by debian/kvirc-kde4/usr/lib/kvirc/4.0/modules/libkviperl.so found in none of the libraries.
[23:33] <ScottK> _Groo_: Just ignore it.
[23:34] <_Groo_> ScottK: yeah but it drains a LOT of cpu :P
[23:35] <ScottK-laptop> Actually it doesn't.
[23:38] <_Groo_> ScottK: my laptop cpu metter disagrees with you :D
[23:39] <ScottK> dpkg-shlibdeps takes CPU warning or not.
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's a big cpu-time sink
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: zomg, found you in the wine bug tracker
[23:46] <NCommander> rgreening, ping