[03:42] <ziroday> @schedule Singapore
[03:42] <ziroday> @schedule New Zealand
[03:43] <ziroday> @schedule Auckland
[18:33] <juliux> hi
[18:33] <juliux> i will be a little bit late
[18:33] <juliux> still at work
[18:33] <ButterflyOfFire> hi juliux
[18:36] <boredandblogging> juliux: thats fine, so will popey
[18:37] <Robb_M> im sorry for all the nickname changes guys, trying to get an unaffiliated cloak set up.
[18:37] <Robb_M> so i had to group a nickname or two.
[18:56] <boredandblogging> we don't have enough people for a LoC Council meeting
[18:56] <boredandblogging> LoCo
[18:56] <boredandblogging> waiting on one more
[18:58] <elendil> hi @all
[18:59] <boredandblogging> elendil: are you here for the loco council meeting?
[18:59] <elendil> of course ;)
[18:59] <_j1mc> hi all - working from home today
[19:00] <felipexil> hi!
[19:00] <j1mc> can listen in
[19:00] <j1mc> hi boredandblogging
[19:00] <boredandblogging> j1mc: hey!
[19:00] <boredandblogging> not sure we will have this meeting
[19:00] <j1mc> np
[19:00] <boredandblogging> we need one more member
[19:01] <j1mc> nixternal: ping
[19:01] <al2> hi
[19:01] <regml1> Hi
[19:04] <crazyness003_> hello
[19:04] <ButterflyOfFire> hi
[19:04] <crazyness003_> just wanted to test this out. Havent been on irc in ages
[19:05] <ButterflyOfFire> So the LoCo Council Meeting will be hold tomorrow ?
[19:05] <crazyness003_> ?
[19:05] <janc_EEE_900> maybe in 10-15 minutes
[19:05] <ButterflyOfFire> I saw the subject changed so
[19:06] <ButterflyOfFire> Okay thanks janc_EEE_900 , anyway I'm not far
[19:06] <janc_EEE_900> the subject says "Current meeting: LoCo Council "  ;-)
[19:06] <ButterflyOfFire> ok ;)
[19:06] <regml1> OK, still waiting then
[19:07] <al2> ok
[19:07] <crazyness003_> anyone know about the ForumCouncilMeeting?
[19:09] <ButterflyOfFire> It is listed on the subject crazyness003_
[19:10] <crazyness003> oops. thanks
[19:10] <ButterflyOfFire> ;)
[19:12] <crazyness003> hang on. exactly what time will it be. the page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda states 0100 UTC, but on here it has 2 diff times with no timezone/standard specified
[19:13] <ButterflyOfFire> Have a look here too crazyness003 : http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[19:14] <ButterflyOfFire> I'm lost among all the GMT's :p
[19:15]  * popey pings ButterflyOfFire 
[19:15] <popey> er boredandblogging
[19:15] <ButterflyOfFire> yep
[19:15] <boredandblogging> popey!
[19:15] <popey> boredandblogging!
[19:15] <boredandblogging> ok, we have enough people
[19:15] <boredandblogging> janc_EEE_900: ping
[19:15] <boredandblogging> shall we get started?
[19:15] <ButterflyOfFire> hi olive heu .. sorry popey :p
[19:16] <janc_EEE_900> yep, I'm here
[19:16] <crazyness003> ok. thanks ButterflyOfFire. I guess im a n00b afterall
[19:16] <popey> ButterflyOfFire: learn how to spell "popeye" :p
[19:16] <ButterflyOfFire> :p
[19:17] <boredandblogging> Galacia?
[19:17] <boredandblogging> oops
[19:17] <boredandblogging> Galicia
[19:17] <felipexil> yep
[19:17] <felipexil> here I am
[19:17] <felipexil> :)
[19:18] <boredandblogging> the application is very short
[19:19] <felipexil> ummm, I can provide more information
[19:19] <felipexil> please just point out the relevant information which you think is missing
[19:19] <boredandblogging> felipexil: have you seen other approval applications?
[19:20] <felipexil> yes
[19:20] <boredandblogging> is translation the main activitiy?
[19:20] <felipexil> ok, perhaps the most relevant
[19:20] <felipexil> think is that we are gaining focus
[19:20] <felipexil> in the Galician government
[19:20] <felipexil> and I want to take advantage of this moment
[19:21] <felipexil> we have been working mainly as a translators team
[19:21] <boredandblogging> felipexil: what events have you held?
[19:21] <felipexil> but the Galician government have just released
[19:21] <felipexil> a customized Galician Ubuntu version
[19:21] <felipexil> ok
[19:22] <felipexil> events: we have participated in two public meetings
[19:22] <felipexil> about free software
[19:22] <felipexil> the most recent was the release of the Galician customized Ubuntu version (aka Galinux, based on a metapackage: AraOS)
[19:22] <felipe_> the best part about felipexil has to be his name :D
[19:22] <felipexil> we have also done an "install fest" at the University of Vigo
[19:23] <felipexil> felipe_: a good name :)
[19:23] <felipe_> hehe, sorry, didn't mean to interrupt! just had to say ...
[19:23] <felipexil> we have also participated in a meeting about localization promoted by the Galician government
[19:23] <felipexil> and of course promoted Ubuntu in the local mailing lists
[19:24] <felipexil> translators teams
[19:24] <felipexil> GNU/Linux users teams
[19:24] <felipexil> government
[19:24] <felipexil> Universities (we have three here)
[19:24] <felipexil> In Galicia we are three million persons, but I think we have an active comunity
[19:24] <boredandblogging> felipexil: right, the application should list all those events in detail
[19:24] <popey> agreed
[19:25] <felipexil> ok, my mistake
[19:25] <popey> the mailing list is pretty quiet, how many members are there on it?
[19:25] <felipexil> the translators list?
[19:25] <boredandblogging> what is the LP team?
[19:26] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-l10n-gl/
[19:26] <felipexil> approx 60 members
[19:26] <felipexil> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-gl
[19:26] <felipexil> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-gl
[19:27] <felipexil> I would like to emphasize the fact that becoming now an official Ubuntu LoCo will give us visibility
[19:27] <boredandblogging> thats a translation team, do you have a team just for the LoCo?
[19:27] <felipexil> because of the presentation of the new Ubuntu based Galician distribution
[19:28] <felipexil> we are starting the team. I have asked for the forum and mailing list
[19:28] <popey> http://gal.ubuntuforums.org/ seems to just go to the front of the forums, not a specific area
[19:28] <felipexil> but the process is very slow
[19:28] <janc_EEE_900> what relationship do you have with the Spanish LoCoTeam?
[19:29] <boredandblogging> where did you submit the mailing list request?
[19:29] <felipexil> yesterday I contacted one of the members of the forum council, they stated that we will have the forum soon
[19:29] <felipexil> relationship with the Spanish LoCo Team: I have not contacted them
[19:30] <felipexil> but, of course, in the future a close relation
[19:30] <popey> felipexil: is there a reason you haven't contacted the loco?
[19:30] <felipexil> will be sure
[19:30] <felipexil> no, lack of time
[19:30] <felipexil> about the list: I made the request to an automatic system
[19:30] <felipexil> and after a week I also sent an email to Jorge Castro
[19:30] <felipexil> (but he was in the developers summint)
[19:31] <felipexil> We will also contact the Catalan LoCo
[19:31] <felipexil> wich is close to us
[19:31] <boredandblogging> felipexil: think you have a good start, but the LoCo needs to get some of the basic infrastructure first
[19:32] <boredandblogging> and like you are starting to do, contact other LoCos around you
[19:32] <felipexil> yes, but that is a hard work :)
[19:32] <popey> I would like to see a more established loco page detailing past activity, plans for the future and structure
[19:32] <popey> felipexil: running a loco _is_ hard work :)
[19:32] <felipexil> :), I supposed so, but I expected that it would be easier to setup the infrastructure :)
[19:32] <janc_EEE_900> you're already doing good work with the translations it seems
[19:33] <popey> yeah, agreed, work so far is great! but more needed IMO
[19:33] <boredandblogging> agree with janc_EEE_900 and popey, good start
[19:33] <felipexil> janc_EEE_900: thanks
[19:33] <felipexil> thanks @all
[19:33] <boredandblogging> good luck
[19:34] <felipexil> only one question: when should we apply again?
[19:34] <felipexil> after filling the application with more information
[19:34] <boredandblogging> felipexil: also remember to add yourself under wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
[19:34] <popey> we usually recommend LoCos come back after 3 months
[19:34] <felipexil> or after having the infrastructure working during a time?
[19:34] <felipexil> ok
[19:35] <boredandblogging> Mali?
[19:35] <regml1> yes
[19:35] <regml1> We're there
[19:36] <regml1> me and al2
[19:36] <al2> yes
[19:39] <popey> love the logo
[19:39] <regml1> thanks
[19:40] <boredandblogging> mali has been working with ubuntu-fr?
[19:40] <regml1> yes
[19:40] <regml1> kindof
[19:41] <regml1> we use and promote a lot docs.ubuntu-fr.org and distribute the offline version of the french documentation (based partly on a software we wrote)
[19:41] <popey> http://kura.kunnafoni.org/2008/05/16/kunnafoni-launches-“la-source”/ is interesting, is it still in place?
[19:42] <regml1> yes it is !
[19:42] <regml1> we are taking it to the main malian ICT event next week
[19:42] <popey> do you have any stats of what it has done?
[19:42]  * janc_EEE_900 wonders if you could distribute Ubuntu through that radio station, like they did with Basicode in the 80s   ;-)
[19:42] <popey> heh
[19:42] <regml1> well, most of downloads is Firefox and Openoffice
[19:43] <regml1> also some free-licenced music
[19:43] <regml1> I realize I haven't put the URL of the website : http://ubuntu.kunnafoni.org/
[19:43] <regml1> website is very recent thus
[19:44] <popey> are all your members in the same town?
[19:45] <regml1> we have a couple from the outside
[19:45] <regml1> but Mali is like a capital-only country (unfortunately)
[19:45] <regml1> because except Bamako, most of country is very rural
[19:46] <popey> do people use internet cafes then?
[19:46] <popey> rather than own their own computer?
[19:46] <regml1> yes, a lot ; but very expensive
[19:46] <regml1> they have computers (in Bamako) but no Internet
[19:46] <regml1> a 256kbps connexion (like ours) costs 600$ / year
[19:47] <popey> ouch
[19:47] <regml1> that's why we are working with offline a lot
[19:49] <popey> have you organised any events in the area?
[19:49] <regml1> no ; we're participating in that e-festival thing. Except that we've organized meetings but it was like 6-8 people
[19:50] <regml1> oh and we've done an install party at university
[19:50] <janc_EEE_900> using (only) the internet would be useless if almost nobody has internet, so the offline approach is good IMHO...
[19:50] <regml1> but wasn t really successful :/
[19:51] <popey> install party where nobody has computers?
[19:51] <regml1> was at university : there were computers but we asked students to promote the party and there were only 6 people from which 3 were sleeping !!
[19:52] <popey> thats a shame
[19:52] <regml1> yes :(
[19:52] <popey> What do you think could be done to improve things?
[19:52] <boredandblogging> regml1: do you think it would help closer with ubuntu-fr? would they be able to provide you with anything helpful?
[19:53] <regml1> well, we need to work more on communication : we relied 100% on that student to promote the thing ; we should have printed posters and stuffs
[19:53] <popey> ok, the french team are _great_ at making posters!
[19:53] <popey> I suspect that you could learn a lot from the french team
[19:53] <popey> in fact, _all_ of us can learn a lot from them
[19:53] <regml1> yes we definitely want to reuse their posters ; and their last party sounded like a huge success
[19:54] <boredandblogging> agreed
[19:54] <ashubuntu> hello here, i'm jumping in. regml1, have you tried to work with other francophile countries on the african continent?
[19:55] <ashubuntu> or see how they do it, maybe they are running into the same issues as you are...
[19:55] <regml1> yes we did ; we have contacts with people from Cote d'Ivoire and Morocco
[19:55] <popey> I'll be honest, I'd like to approve you because you clearly have a hard job, but I'd like to see a sustained effort over a little longer period, perhaps with some increased communication both within your team and with other LoCos before I'd +1 your approval.
[19:55] <regml1> but they are not facing the same issues as our
[19:55] <popey> It must be difficult, I'm sure
[19:55] <regml1> their countries are way more equiped on computers and connexions
[19:56] <popey> locos can work very well with little resources
[19:56] <regml1> it is difficult ; here burning an ubuntu CD cost us 1.5$ while the average country-wide income is less than $1 a day
[19:56] <popey> regml1: are there any specific resources you are missing?
[19:56] <regml1> being a loco would save us so much money
[19:57] <popey> this is where LoCo twinning would come in helpful. If the French (or other) loco could ship you some CDs, that might help?
[19:57] <regml1> sure that would really help
[19:57] <janc_EEE_900> maybe the french loco can help with the CDs ?
[19:57] <popey> it's an idea I have been thinking of for some time
[19:57] <regml1> I had no idea the french loco had such power
[19:57] <boredandblogging> yes, we can talk to huats about this
[19:58] <popey> well, it would be a donation
[19:58] <popey> it would cost _someone_ money _somewhere_
[19:58] <popey> but ideally not you
[19:58] <regml1> yes
[19:59] <popey> if you can show some commitment to scheduling more events and promoting use of Ubuntu then I'm sure in return others will help you
[19:59] <boredandblogging> agreed
[19:59] <popey> I'd certainly be happy to ship you some spare Ubuntu CDs if I have them
[19:59] <regml1> we want to set up that offline repository first
[19:59] <boredandblogging> same here, they aren't localized french, but still
[19:59] <regml1> that's what have been slowing us down
[19:59] <popey> but I feel that becoming an approved team might need to wait for a little while
[20:00] <popey> regml1: offline repository?
[20:00] <regml1> because ubuntu cd doesn't come with full french
[20:00] <regml1> so people have to connect and downalod to have a correct setup
[20:00] <janc_EEE_900> the french loco could send them, while other loco's help to pay...
[20:00] <regml1> popey: yes ; a mirror of the Ubuntu repository
[20:00] <popey> I'd also be happy to send you a hard disk full of a mirror of the Ubuntu repo and ISO images
[20:00] <popey> talk to me offline about that - alanpope@ubuntu.com
[20:01] <regml1> I did that on my computer when I traveled to france but had to delete it for space reason
[20:01] <popey> of course it wont be up to date, but it would be a snapshot
[20:01] <regml1> thank you popey !!!
[20:01] <popey> well, it will be up to date on the day it's made :)
[20:01] <popey> np, it's something I've been thinking about anyway, it would be a good test of the process
[20:02] <regml1> wonderful !
[20:02] <boredandblogging> cool
[20:02] <popey> Ok, so we're agreed that you guys are going to contact the french loco and request assistance in the form of posters etc, and _we_ will contact them and ask if they are willing to help with CDs?
[20:02] <popey> and we can look at your approval application again in ~3 months?
[20:02] <popey> is that fair?
[20:03] <regml1> sounds ok to us
[20:03] <regml1> we'll contact the french shortly
[20:03] <popey> cool. boredandblogging would you be able to contact huats?
[20:04] <popey> I'll work on packaging up a hard disk and some other stuff for them
[20:04] <boredandblogging> regml1: what is your email? I'll send you and huats an email
[20:04] <janc_EEE_900> and keep on getting ubuntu in the local media (radio etc.)
[20:04] <[NikO]> popey, you can come on #ubuntu-fr-meeting, and wait, he comes each day
[20:04] <regml1> reg at nurv dot fr
[20:04] <popey> thanks [NikO]
[20:04] <regml1> popey: I'll contact you by mail about that ; thanks again
[20:04] <popey> regml1: drop me a mail, so we can make contact and figure out what you want in this repository mirror, ok
[20:05] <regml1> ok
[20:05] <boredandblogging> anything else?
[20:05] <popey> nope, that's all I think
[20:06] <regml1> nope ; thank you all for those great progress to come !
[20:06] <popey> no problem - keep up the great work!
[20:06] <boredandblogging> do we want to schedule the next meeting now?
[20:06] <regml1> rushing for dinner ; bye
[20:07] <felipexil> bye!
[20:08] <popey> boredandblogging: sure
[20:08] <popey> boredandblogging: can we make it an hour later if it's a weekday?
[20:08] <ButterflyOfFire> When the next meeting for the Member approuval will be held ?
[20:10] <janc_EEE_900> somewhere in January, I suppose?
[20:10] <boredandblogging> popey: sure
[20:10] <boredandblogging> yeah
[20:10] <ButterflyOfFire> Okay :)
[20:10] <[NikO]> ButterflyOfFire, it's depends your regional board, but i can't find the answer for europe :/
[20:11] <boredandblogging> how about Monday 13 Jan 21:00UTC?
[20:11] <ButterflyOfFire> ok [NikO]
[20:13] <janc_EEE_900> that date/time is okay for me
[20:13] <boredandblogging> popey?
[20:15] <janc_EEE_900> BTW: for those who don't remember Basicode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basicode
[20:15] <popey> sorry, making tea :)
[20:15] <popey> yes that date is fine by me
[20:15] <popey> an hour earlier would be fine also
[20:16] <boredandblogging> lets just try 21:00 and see what happens
[20:16] <popey> ok
[20:16] <popey> cool
[20:16] <boredandblogging> I'll update the wiki pages and stuff
[20:16] <popey> nice one
[20:16] <boredandblogging> alright, thanks everyone!
[20:19] <elendil> bye