[03:42] @schedule Singapore [03:42] Schedule for Asia/Singapore: 16 Dec 03:00: LoCo Council | 16 Dec 09:00: Forum Council | 16 Dec 19:00: Community Council | 17 Dec 00:00: Server Team | 17 Dec 01:00: Kernel Team | 18 Dec 00:00: Foundation Team [03:42] @schedule New Zealand [03:42] Error: Unknown timezone: New Zealand - Full list: http://tinyurl.com/4vyvp8 [03:43] @schedule Auckland [03:43] Schedule for Pacific/Auckland: 16 Dec 08:00: LoCo Council | 16 Dec 14:00: Forum Council | 17 Dec 00:00: Community Council | 17 Dec 05:00: Server Team | 17 Dec 06:00: Kernel Team | 18 Dec 05:00: Foundation Team === johnc4511-laptop is now known as johnc4510-laptop === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === ianmcorvidae|alt is now known as ianmcorvidae === ogra_ is now known as ogra === nand_ is now known as nand === j1mc_ is now known as j1mc === j1mc is now known as _j1mc === xil is now known as felipexil === robb_m is now known as StewieGriffin [18:33] hi [18:33] i will be a little bit late === StewieGriffin is now known as Stewie_Griffin [18:33] still at work [18:33] hi juliux === Stewie_Griffin is now known as Robb_M [18:36] juliux: thats fine, so will popey [18:37] im sorry for all the nickname changes guys, trying to get an unaffiliated cloak set up. [18:37] so i had to group a nickname or two. === Robb_M is now known as robbmunson === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: LoCo Council Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Dec 01:00: Forum Council | 16 Dec 11:00: Community Council | 16 Dec 16:00: Server Team | 16 Dec 17:00: Kernel Team | 17 Dec 16:00: Foundation Team [18:56] we don't have enough people for a LoC Council meeting [18:56] LoCo [18:56] waiting on one more [18:58] hi @all [18:59] elendil: are you here for the loco council meeting? [18:59] of course ;) [18:59] <_j1mc> hi all - working from home today === _j1mc is now known as j1mc [19:00] hi! [19:00] can listen in [19:00] hi boredandblogging [19:00] j1mc: hey! [19:00] not sure we will have this meeting [19:00] np [19:00] we need one more member === crazyness003 is now known as crazyness003_ [19:01] nixternal: ping [19:01] hi [19:01] Hi [19:04] hello [19:04] hi [19:04] just wanted to test this out. Havent been on irc in ages [19:05] So the LoCo Council Meeting will be hold tomorrow ? [19:05] ? [19:05] maybe in 10-15 minutes [19:05] I saw the subject changed so [19:06] Okay thanks janc_EEE_900 , anyway I'm not far [19:06] the subject says "Current meeting: LoCo Council " ;-) [19:06] ok ;) [19:06] OK, still waiting then [19:07] ok [19:07] anyone know about the ForumCouncilMeeting? === crazyness003_ is now known as crazyness003 [19:09] It is listed on the subject crazyness003_ [19:10] oops. thanks [19:10] ;) [19:12] hang on. exactly what time will it be. the page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda states 0100 UTC, but on here it has 2 diff times with no timezone/standard specified [19:13] Have a look here too crazyness003 : http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event [19:14] I'm lost among all the GMT's :p [19:15] * popey pings ButterflyOfFire [19:15] er boredandblogging [19:15] yep [19:15] popey! [19:15] boredandblogging! [19:15] ok, we have enough people [19:15] janc_EEE_900: ping [19:15] shall we get started? [19:15] hi olive heu .. sorry popey :p [19:16] yep, I'm here [19:16] ok. thanks ButterflyOfFire. I guess im a n00b afterall [19:16] ButterflyOfFire: learn how to spell "popeye" :p [19:16] :p [19:17] Galacia? [19:17] oops [19:17] Galicia [19:17] yep [19:17] here I am [19:17] :) [19:18] the application is very short [19:19] ummm, I can provide more information [19:19] please just point out the relevant information which you think is missing [19:19] felipexil: have you seen other approval applications? [19:20] yes [19:20] is translation the main activitiy? [19:20] ok, perhaps the most relevant [19:20] think is that we are gaining focus [19:20] in the Galician government [19:20] and I want to take advantage of this moment [19:21] we have been working mainly as a translators team [19:21] felipexil: what events have you held? [19:21] but the Galician government have just released [19:21] a customized Galician Ubuntu version [19:21] ok [19:22] events: we have participated in two public meetings [19:22] about free software [19:22] the most recent was the release of the Galician customized Ubuntu version (aka Galinux, based on a metapackage: AraOS) [19:22] the best part about felipexil has to be his name :D [19:22] we have also done an "install fest" at the University of Vigo [19:23] felipe_: a good name :) [19:23] hehe, sorry, didn't mean to interrupt! just had to say ... [19:23] we have also participated in a meeting about localization promoted by the Galician government [19:23] and of course promoted Ubuntu in the local mailing lists [19:24] translators teams [19:24] GNU/Linux users teams [19:24] government [19:24] Universities (we have three here) [19:24] In Galicia we are three million persons, but I think we have an active comunity [19:24] felipexil: right, the application should list all those events in detail [19:24] agreed [19:25] ok, my mistake [19:25] the mailing list is pretty quiet, how many members are there on it? [19:25] the translators list? [19:25] what is the LP team? [19:26] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-l10n-gl/ [19:26] approx 60 members [19:26] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-gl [19:26] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-gl [19:27] I would like to emphasize the fact that becoming now an official Ubuntu LoCo will give us visibility [19:27] thats a translation team, do you have a team just for the LoCo? [19:27] because of the presentation of the new Ubuntu based Galician distribution [19:28] we are starting the team. I have asked for the forum and mailing list [19:28] http://gal.ubuntuforums.org/ seems to just go to the front of the forums, not a specific area [19:28] but the process is very slow [19:28] what relationship do you have with the Spanish LoCoTeam? [19:29] where did you submit the mailing list request? [19:29] yesterday I contacted one of the members of the forum council, they stated that we will have the forum soon [19:29] relationship with the Spanish LoCo Team: I have not contacted them [19:30] but, of course, in the future a close relation [19:30] felipexil: is there a reason you haven't contacted the loco? [19:30] will be sure [19:30] no, lack of time [19:30] about the list: I made the request to an automatic system [19:30] and after a week I also sent an email to Jorge Castro [19:30] (but he was in the developers summint) [19:31] We will also contact the Catalan LoCo [19:31] wich is close to us [19:31] felipexil: think you have a good start, but the LoCo needs to get some of the basic infrastructure first [19:32] and like you are starting to do, contact other LoCos around you [19:32] yes, but that is a hard work :) [19:32] I would like to see a more established loco page detailing past activity, plans for the future and structure [19:32] felipexil: running a loco _is_ hard work :) [19:32] :), I supposed so, but I expected that it would be easier to setup the infrastructure :) [19:32] you're already doing good work with the translations it seems [19:33] yeah, agreed, work so far is great! but more needed IMO [19:33] agree with janc_EEE_900 and popey, good start [19:33] janc_EEE_900: thanks [19:33] thanks @all [19:33] good luck [19:34] only one question: when should we apply again? [19:34] after filling the application with more information [19:34] felipexil: also remember to add yourself under wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList [19:34] we usually recommend LoCos come back after 3 months [19:34] or after having the infrastructure working during a time? [19:34] ok [19:35] Mali? [19:35] yes [19:35] We're there [19:36] me and al2 [19:36] yes [19:39] love the logo [19:39] thanks [19:40] mali has been working with ubuntu-fr? [19:40] yes [19:40] kindof [19:41] we use and promote a lot docs.ubuntu-fr.org and distribute the offline version of the french documentation (based partly on a software we wrote) [19:41] http://kura.kunnafoni.org/2008/05/16/kunnafoni-launches-“la-source”/ is interesting, is it still in place? [19:42] yes it is ! [19:42] we are taking it to the main malian ICT event next week [19:42] do you have any stats of what it has done? [19:42] * janc_EEE_900 wonders if you could distribute Ubuntu through that radio station, like they did with Basicode in the 80s ;-) [19:42] heh [19:42] well, most of downloads is Firefox and Openoffice [19:43] also some free-licenced music [19:43] I realize I haven't put the URL of the website : http://ubuntu.kunnafoni.org/ [19:43] website is very recent thus [19:44] are all your members in the same town? [19:45] we have a couple from the outside [19:45] but Mali is like a capital-only country (unfortunately) [19:45] because except Bamako, most of country is very rural [19:46] do people use internet cafes then? [19:46] rather than own their own computer? [19:46] yes, a lot ; but very expensive [19:46] they have computers (in Bamako) but no Internet [19:46] a 256kbps connexion (like ours) costs 600$ / year [19:47] ouch [19:47] that's why we are working with offline a lot [19:49] have you organised any events in the area? [19:49] no ; we're participating in that e-festival thing. Except that we've organized meetings but it was like 6-8 people [19:50] oh and we've done an install party at university [19:50] using (only) the internet would be useless if almost nobody has internet, so the offline approach is good IMHO... [19:50] but wasn t really successful :/ [19:51] install party where nobody has computers? [19:51] was at university : there were computers but we asked students to promote the party and there were only 6 people from which 3 were sleeping !! [19:52] thats a shame [19:52] yes :( [19:52] What do you think could be done to improve things? [19:52] regml1: do you think it would help closer with ubuntu-fr? would they be able to provide you with anything helpful? [19:53] well, we need to work more on communication : we relied 100% on that student to promote the thing ; we should have printed posters and stuffs [19:53] ok, the french team are _great_ at making posters! [19:53] I suspect that you could learn a lot from the french team === bubuntux is now known as ashubuntu [19:53] in fact, _all_ of us can learn a lot from them [19:53] yes we definitely want to reuse their posters ; and their last party sounded like a huge success [19:54] agreed [19:54] hello here, i'm jumping in. regml1, have you tried to work with other francophile countries on the african continent? [19:55] or see how they do it, maybe they are running into the same issues as you are... [19:55] yes we did ; we have contacts with people from Cote d'Ivoire and Morocco [19:55] I'll be honest, I'd like to approve you because you clearly have a hard job, but I'd like to see a sustained effort over a little longer period, perhaps with some increased communication both within your team and with other LoCos before I'd +1 your approval. [19:55] but they are not facing the same issues as our [19:55] It must be difficult, I'm sure [19:55] their countries are way more equiped on computers and connexions [19:56] locos can work very well with little resources [19:56] it is difficult ; here burning an ubuntu CD cost us 1.5$ while the average country-wide income is less than $1 a day [19:56] regml1: are there any specific resources you are missing? [19:56] being a loco would save us so much money [19:57] this is where LoCo twinning would come in helpful. If the French (or other) loco could ship you some CDs, that might help? [19:57] sure that would really help [19:57] maybe the french loco can help with the CDs ? [19:57] it's an idea I have been thinking of for some time [19:57] I had no idea the french loco had such power [19:57] yes, we can talk to huats about this [19:58] well, it would be a donation [19:58] it would cost _someone_ money _somewhere_ [19:58] but ideally not you [19:58] yes [19:59] if you can show some commitment to scheduling more events and promoting use of Ubuntu then I'm sure in return others will help you [19:59] agreed [19:59] I'd certainly be happy to ship you some spare Ubuntu CDs if I have them [19:59] we want to set up that offline repository first [19:59] same here, they aren't localized french, but still [19:59] that's what have been slowing us down [19:59] but I feel that becoming an approved team might need to wait for a little while [20:00] regml1: offline repository? [20:00] because ubuntu cd doesn't come with full french [20:00] so people have to connect and downalod to have a correct setup [20:00] the french loco could send them, while other loco's help to pay... [20:00] popey: yes ; a mirror of the Ubuntu repository [20:00] I'd also be happy to send you a hard disk full of a mirror of the Ubuntu repo and ISO images [20:00] talk to me offline about that - alanpope@ubuntu.com [20:01] I did that on my computer when I traveled to france but had to delete it for space reason [20:01] of course it wont be up to date, but it would be a snapshot [20:01] thank you popey !!! [20:01] well, it will be up to date on the day it's made :) [20:01] np, it's something I've been thinking about anyway, it would be a good test of the process [20:02] wonderful ! [20:02] cool [20:02] Ok, so we're agreed that you guys are going to contact the french loco and request assistance in the form of posters etc, and _we_ will contact them and ask if they are willing to help with CDs? [20:02] and we can look at your approval application again in ~3 months? [20:02] is that fair? [20:03] sounds ok to us [20:03] we'll contact the french shortly [20:03] cool. boredandblogging would you be able to contact huats? [20:04] I'll work on packaging up a hard disk and some other stuff for them [20:04] regml1: what is your email? I'll send you and huats an email [20:04] and keep on getting ubuntu in the local media (radio etc.) [20:04] <[NikO]> popey, you can come on #ubuntu-fr-meeting, and wait, he comes each day [20:04] reg at nurv dot fr [20:04] thanks [NikO] [20:04] popey: I'll contact you by mail about that ; thanks again [20:04] regml1: drop me a mail, so we can make contact and figure out what you want in this repository mirror, ok [20:05] ok [20:05] anything else? [20:05] nope, that's all I think [20:06] nope ; thank you all for those great progress to come ! [20:06] no problem - keep up the great work! [20:06] do we want to schedule the next meeting now? [20:06] rushing for dinner ; bye [20:07] bye! [20:08] boredandblogging: sure [20:08] boredandblogging: can we make it an hour later if it's a weekday? [20:08] When the next meeting for the Member approuval will be held ? [20:10] somewhere in January, I suppose? [20:10] popey: sure [20:10] yeah [20:10] Okay :) [20:10] <[NikO]> ButterflyOfFire, it's depends your regional board, but i can't find the answer for europe :/ [20:11] how about Monday 13 Jan 21:00UTC? [20:11] ok [NikO] [20:13] that date/time is okay for me [20:13] popey? [20:15] BTW: for those who don't remember Basicode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basicode [20:15] sorry, making tea :) [20:15] yes that date is fine by me [20:15] an hour earlier would be fine also [20:16] lets just try 21:00 and see what happens [20:16] ok [20:16] cool [20:16] I'll update the wiki pages and stuff [20:16] nice one [20:16] alright, thanks everyone! 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