[00:12] <dnyy> anyone here used lxde?
[00:22] <Odd-rationale> dnyy: i've used lxde, and i installed ubuntu+lxde on a friends laptop...
[00:26] <heapy> helloa!
[00:27] <Odd-rationale> !hi | heapy
[00:28] <heapy> people of xubuntu, i have finially got my system stable, working sweet man im so chuffed :D
[00:29] <Odd-rationale> great!
[00:29] <Odd-rationale> !yay
[00:29] <heapy> hah.
[00:30] <heapy> i have sound! and dvd! and internet wireless!!
[00:30] <heapy> this is my first experience of linux, its quality isn't it
[00:30] <Odd-rationale> me too! :P
[00:30] <heapy> and this amarok program is awesome
[00:31] <Odd-rationale> amarok 2?
[00:32] <heapy> mm
[00:32] <heapy> oh man, it says KDE?!!!
[00:33] <Odd-rationale> yeah, amarok is normally considered an kde app... although kde apps works just fine in xubuntu... or all ubuntu's for that matter...
[00:33] <heapy> ohh thats a relief
[00:34] <heapy> it says version 3.5.10 amarok
[00:34] <Odd-rationale> the only thing is that installing kde apps in a non-kde environment (xfce, gnome, etc) results in pulling lots of libs that is only used by the kde app...
[00:35] <Odd-rationale> and also that kde app has to start the extra kde stuff ...
[00:36] <Odd-rationale> heapy: amarok 2 just got released like a week ago... it will probably be in the next version of ubuntu...
[00:36] <heapy> hay as long as it works im not fussed m8, i have had real bad times these last 3 days setting up my laptop on ubuntu, have settled on xubuntu hardy
[00:37] <heapy> why the hell do i have 3.5.10 then? is version 2 the stable one or somthing?
[00:37] <heapy> hang on...
[00:37] <heapy> 1.4.9.1 version
[00:37] <heapy> i was getting mixed up
[00:38] <Odd-rationale> 3.5.10 is probably your kde version...
[00:38] <Odd-rationale> the last frontier of kde3, and (imho) the best of kde...
[00:39] <heapy> i just dloaded it from add/remove programs
[00:39] <Odd-rationale> i got kinda turned off by kde4...
[00:39] <Odd-rationale> but, that's just me...
[00:39] <heapy> i have never used it m8
[00:40] <heapy> im quite impressed by ubuntu when its stable like this,
[00:40] <heapy> im enjoying it
[00:41] <heapy> hay , i done something that took me by suprise earlier... i just moved the terminal window to read some commands from a webpage, then it seem'd to disapear into the next screen! dead strange , but kinda cool
[00:42] <heapy> and now ctrl alt ( left and right ) flicks between them,, well smart
[00:43] <Odd-rationale> yeah. workspaces...
[00:44] <heapy> i have been using windows too long, i did try suse years ago but i couldnt get it to work,.. it cost a few quid and came on 6 cd's.. i didnt give it a chance cus it confused the hell outta me
[00:47] <heapy> there is just one thing i would like to do that isnt working yet...
[00:48] <heapy> & thats to get flash working.. i dloaded something called flash-nonfree but it doesnt seem to be working cus youtube isn't
[00:49] <Odd-rationale> heapy: did you install the flashplugin-nonfree package from the repos?
[00:49] <heapy> from synaptic.. not sure what repo's is m8
[00:50] <Odd-rationale> ok. from synaptics is fine... are you on 32bit or 64bit?
[00:50] <heapy> 32bit
[00:50] <Odd-rationale> you should just be able to install the flashplugin-nonfree package and then restart firefox... it hould work...
[00:51] <Odd-rationale> if not...
[00:51] <Odd-rationale> !flash
[00:52] <heapy> just lookin at that site, i did install it uc
[00:53] <Vigilance> if I boot linux from a flash drive and browse the web with it, will I be protected from malware that can be installed on the computer?
[00:53] <Vigilance> like key loggers and such
[00:55] <Odd-rationale> if the keylogger is in software on the computer, then yes. if the keylogger is on the website or something, then no... also, some keyloggers are attached between the keyboard and the usb port... you won't be protected from that either.
[00:55] <heapy> mm it still say's "Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player."
[00:56] <Odd-rationale> heapy: check your browser settginto make sure JS is on...
[00:58] <Vigilance> Odd-rationale: how can those key loggers be attached between the keyboard and usb? are those software?
[00:59] <heapy> in the preferences, applications, not there, or in the addon's , extensions, or plugin's
[00:59] <heapy> im using firefox
[00:59] <Odd-rationale> Vigilance: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/5a05/
[01:00] <Odd-rationale> heapy: Preference --> Content
[01:01] <Vigilance> Odd-rationale: thanks, so I guess ill just have to look out for physical devices. I mainly want to safely check my email while in a foreign country
[01:03] <heapy> i found it m8 ta, it was already enabled and java.... i tried unchecking, closing it down, re-checking and loadin u tube. still saying i dont have js
[01:11] <heapy> im at a loss
[01:27] <heapy> good night all, still anit got flash but thats one for 2m =)
[03:02] <radlipat> HELP PLZ
[03:02] <radlipat> my takbars dissapeared
[03:02] <radlipat> how i get them back?
[03:03] <radlipat> hello???????
[03:05] <radlipat> ANNY ONEEE?????
[03:14] <radlipat> anyone here??
[03:28] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ dont wait to long for any1 to respond
[04:45] <R1cochet> i am trying to install "reconstructor" from deb package but it says it needs to uninstall "libgd2-noxpm"
[04:45] <R1cochet> is it ok to remove this pack?
[05:19] <thisguy> quick question for anyone who is up at this hour-- does anyone know which directories/files MUST be writable on a filesystem for things like xserver and other apps to run? I want to make the majority of the filesystem read only.
[07:05] <TurtleRam> eixt
[07:06] <TurtleRam> oops, sorry guys, didn't mean to type here
[08:43] <TurtleRam> So hey guys - I have one stupid question. Is the only thing that makes Xubuntu unique from Ubuntu the fact that it uses Xfce?
[08:45] <TurtleRam> My reason for asking this is because I was going to use a guide to install Ubuntu on my Macbook, but I'd much rather have Xubuntu.
[08:46] <TurtleRam> But if that's the only thing that changes the two, I'd probably just use Ubuntu and tweak.
[08:46] <TurtleRam> Unless there's a really good reason to just do a fresh install of xubuntu.
[08:46] <TurtleRam> Sorry for taking up screen-space, and thanks!
[09:07] <pome> I'd install xubuntu and tweak
[09:08] <pome> I only had to install open office and gedit after the base install
[09:08] <pome> but why run anything other than osx on a mac?
[09:09] <TheSheep> because you can
[09:09] <pome> and if a mac can boot from usb, install xubuntu as a usb live disk
[09:09] <pome> www.pendrivelinux.com
[09:09] <TurtleRam> well really, I'd like to run something completely open on my mac
[09:10] <TurtleRam> and because I'd love to begin to learn Linux and Unix in general, I guess
[09:10] <pome> osx is linux
[09:10] <pome> for most intents and purposes
[09:10] <TheSheep> pome: is not
[09:10] <TurtleRam> I thought it was a BSD semi-closed system
[09:10] <TheSheep> pome: it's bsd
[09:10] <pome> I could barely tell the difference on the command line
[09:10] <pome> it's got all the usual programs
[09:10] <TheSheep> pome: all standard-compliant (POSIX) systems are like that
[09:11] <pome> exactly
[09:11] <TheSheep> pome: even unix services for IBM x-os
[09:11] <TheSheep> z-os
[09:11] <TheSheep> or unix services for windows, for that matter
[09:11] <pome> the only reason I ditched osx is because I couldn't get my favourite programs to work well
[09:12] <pome> basically, x11 dependent ones
[09:12] <TurtleRam> So Sheep, what do you think? Should I just start with xubuntu or ubuntu and then add xfe
[09:12] <TheSheep> the prblem with macosx is that you don't get the tools that were used to build it with it
[09:12] <TurtleRam> xfce*
[09:12] <pome> I love xrce
[09:12] <pome> xfce
[09:12] <pome> it's so quick
[09:12] <TurtleRam> me too
[09:13] <pome> Nautilus is like wading through toffee in comparison
[09:13] <TheSheep> TurtleRam: you can do a server install and install xubuntu-desktop
[09:13] <TheSheep> TurtleRam: server install is a base, then xubuntu-desktop package will install everything specific to xfce
[09:14] <TurtleRam> Well, I've just dropped into the world of Linux, and I'm not a slow learner, but where do I need to go to learn how to do a server install?
[09:15] <TheSheep> !server
[09:15] <TheSheep> TurtleRam: I think you use the normal cd, only pick an option to install commandline system only
[09:15] <pome> if you're completely new, don't learn bash!
[09:15] <pome> do everything in python
[09:16] <TheSheep> pome: everything?
[09:16] <TurtleRam> Alright, well Python I'm slightly familiar with
[09:16] <TheSheep> pome: python makes a lousy shell :)
[09:16] <pome> bash is needlessly specific
[09:16] <pome> python runs on anything
[09:18] <pome> regarding the default xubuntu gui apps, the only issue I have is with the default music player
[09:18] <pome> 'listen' - it's always been buggy for me
[09:18] <pome> rhythmbox works much better
[09:18] <pome> for me
[09:19] <TheSheep> fortunately you can always install the player you like
[09:19] <TheSheep> quod libet is pretty nice too
[09:20] <TurtleRam> OK, OK, so I go and install the Ubuntu server ed., then I push the xubuntu DT ed. ontop of it, and I have what I want, essentially?
[09:20] <pome> why install the server?
[09:20] <TheSheep> TurtleRam: yes
[09:20] <TheSheep> pome: because it's the base
[09:20] <TurtleRam> And what I want is something to begin with - a machine to begin learning the system and such, and possibly do some schoolwork within
[09:20] <TheSheep> pome: so you don't have to uninstall all ubuntu gui things
[09:21] <TurtleRam> Ohhhhh okay... I see what you're saying. That makes sense.
[09:21] <pome> if it's not going to be a server, it sound like unnecessary scrimpery
[09:21] <pome> xfce is light enough
[09:27] <TurtleRam> Before I leave I just want to get this clear: To install Xubuntu is not good enough? In order to get what I want, which is tech wise just xfce with the functionality of it's mom, Ubuntu. And in order to obtain this I have to download a server ed. first as a base?
[09:28] <pome> xubuntu is the giblets and xfce gui
[09:28] <pome> the 'server' is just the giblets
[09:28] <pome> you can install the server then install whichever gui you want
[09:28] <pome> if you need one
[09:29] <pome> e.g. kde, xfce, gnome or a bunch of really ugly obscure ones
[09:30] <pome> if you're used to osx, be prepared to be transported back to 1995
[09:32] <TurtleRam> Nah, I've tried different flavors before including Slackware of all things. I use osx just because I use my laptop, and I've never ventured to change this
[09:33] <TurtleRam> But what I'm really asking here, all fluff aside, is will installing Xubuntu on my macbook give me everything I need to start with
[09:43] <pome> depends on what you need
[09:43] <pome> but yes
[09:43] <pome> install the server then you can use the package manager to get whatever else you require
[09:43] <pome> for instance to install a text-mode web browser: sudo apt-get install lynx
[09:43] <pome> it's that simple
[09:47] <TurtleRam> Alright, well thanks. I'm going to install the server first and go from there... in a few days.
[09:48] <TurtleRam> But thanks to both of you
[09:57] <pome> good luck
[09:58] <pome> welcome to open source goodness
[10:18] <pome> anyone know how to get rid of the speaker cone icon from the volume panel applet?
[10:18] <pome> it's superfluous and takes up precious, precious space
[10:21] <TheSheep> pome: you can remove the applet from the panel
[10:21] <pome> I use the gauge just not the speaker
[10:22] <TheSheep> I suppose you could check somehow (in the sources?) how the icon is named and then resize it (possibly to 0) with gtk theme
[10:23] <pome> yes, that's the route
[10:35] <stimpie> where are the xfce settings stored?\
[10:44] <R1cochet> which settings?
[10:49] <TheSheep> stimpie: in ~/.config/
[10:52] <stimpie> TheSheep, great thanks
[10:53] <TheSheep> and in /etc/xdg
[10:56] <ladanz> hi folks.
[10:56] <ladanz> in which file is saved which wallpaper is used?
[10:57] <ladanz> alright got it
[10:57] <ladanz> bye
[12:43] <[1]Andy> hello
[12:43] <[1]Andy> anyone who is available?
[12:45] <[1]Andy> anyone who is available?
[12:46] <RurouniJones> Howdy all, I am running xubuntu, have installed language support for Japanese, setup SCIM so that it uses Anthy for Japanese input and the toggle is CTRL+Space
[12:46] <RurouniJones> But when I hit CTRL+Space, nothing happens
[12:46] <[1]Andy> uh I think everyone is AFK right now..
[12:47] <RurouniJones> I shall hang around, see if anyone picks up on it
[12:47] <[1]Andy> btw I am using a toshiba L30
[12:47] <[1]Andy> and I am new to ubuntu
[12:47] <[1]Andy> so I dowloaded it and tried it..failed
[12:47] <[1]Andy> then I tried xubuntu
[12:48] <[1]Andy> then it got stuck while rebooting when it completed "checking installation 14%"
[12:48] <[1]Andy> afk doorbell
[12:49] <vidd> [1]Andy, try the alt cd
[12:49] <[1]Andy> oh back..so any solutions?
[12:49] <[1]Andy> ah
[12:50] <[1]Andy> approx size?
[12:50] <vidd> depends on if you get the "full size" or the mini
[12:50] <vidd> !mini
[12:51] <vidd> the mini is only 10 MB
[12:51] <[1]Andy> wow
[12:51] <[1]Andy> and I also have the xubuntu
[12:51] <vidd> and you can install any flavor from one disk
[12:51] <[1]Andy> so without using internet to patch up i can use the CD?
[12:51] <vidd> the mini requires internet to properly install
[12:52] <vidd> if you will not have internet until after completion, then use the alt cd
[12:52] <vidd> !alternate
[12:53] <[1]Andy> mm I am a bit confused..le me make myself clear i cant go beyon 50MB download now..i am out of bandwidth
[12:53] <vidd> when will you get more bandwidth?
[12:53] <[1]Andy> lol =D not untill next month
[12:53] <[1]Andy> i am a student
[12:54] <[1]Andy> and a broke :P
[12:54]  * vidd does not understand bandwidth limitations.....
[12:54] <[1]Andy> yeah you must have unlimited :P
[12:54] <[1]Andy> so just one last question
[12:55] <[1]Andy> can it patch from earlier installation?
[12:55] <vidd> the mini?
[12:55] <vidd> no
[12:55] <vidd> do you have an alt cd?
[12:55] <[1]Andy> nop
[12:55] <[1]Andy> oh GOD it too is 698 mB
[12:55] <vidd> then try this:
[12:55] <vidd> get the mini....
[12:56] <vidd> do a cli only install....
[12:56] <vidd> then add the live cd to your repos
[12:56] <vidd> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install [flavor]-desktop
[12:57] <[1]Andy> "sudo" is a command right?
[12:57] <vidd> replacing [flavor] with the appropriate flavor of ubuntu
[12:57] <vidd> yes
[12:57] <[1]Andy> flavor like xubuntu kubuntu and all?
[12:57] <vidd> right
[12:58] <vidd> basically, what this does is, gets the cli-only installed on your ystem
[12:58] <[1]Andy> and what is "cli"?
[12:58] <vidd> cli= command line interface
[12:58] <[1]Andy> ah
[12:58] <[1]Andy> like prompt in MS?
[12:59] <vidd> then you "trick" your system into downloading from the repos stored on the cd
[12:59] <vidd> no.....
[12:59] <vidd> the prompt in M$ is a poor imitation of the CLI
[12:59] <vidd> =]
[12:59] <[1]Andy> xD okay gotcha but its something like that right/?
[12:59] <[1]Andy> and how do I execute it?
[13:00] <vidd> that is the closest thing in M$-land to it
[13:00] <vidd> you dont....
[13:00] <[1]Andy> okay hold on let me put it in points ..
[13:00] <vidd> if you do a cli-only install....that is all you will have
[13:00] <[1]Andy> first i uninstall current xubuntu
[13:00] <[1]Andy> then i install mini
[13:00] <vidd> wait....
[13:01] <[1]Andy> remove the CD and put in the xubuntu one
[13:01] <[1]Andy> and give the command
[13:01] <[1]Andy> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubunt-desktop
[13:01] <vidd> what do you mean "uninstall"?
[13:01] <[1]Andy> i have one installed
[13:01] <[1]Andy> i like tried everything
[13:02] <[1]Andy> boot install not worked
[13:02] <vidd> did you load windows and then put the cd in?
[13:02] <[1]Andy> the i did it from windows
[13:02] <[1]Andy> ./swt
[13:02] <[1]Andy> yeah
[13:02] <[1]Andy> boot wont work
[13:02] <[1]Andy> so..well...i tried everything that was in scope except throwing my lappy out of the window
[13:02] <vidd> how much ram does your system have?
[13:03] <[1]Andy> its shows 192 in properties
[13:03] <vidd> 192,,,,
[13:03] <[1]Andy> MB
[13:03] <vidd> one moment
[13:03] <[1]Andy> yeah okay..
[13:03] <[1]Andy> i have been trying that for 2 days so one moment would be nothing xD
[13:04] <vidd> you dont have enough ram to install from the live cd...that is why you are having issues
[13:04] <[1]Andy> ah
[13:04] <[1]Andy> so...any solutions?
[13:05] <vidd> get a little more ram, and that live cd will load right up for ya
[13:05] <[1]Andy> solution #2 ?
[13:05] <vidd> (and stick with xubuntu)
[13:05] <vidd> get a buddy to dl the alt cd for ya
[13:06] <[1]Andy> well when i got my lappy like a year n half ago it was somewhere like 256 MB ram wonder how it went down..
[13:06] <[1]Andy> with low ram alt CD will work?
[13:06] <vidd> your display leaching ram
[13:06] <[1]Andy> i so would like to F%^$ it
[13:06] <vidd> yes....alt only needs like 128
[13:06] <[1]Andy> cool
[13:07] <[1]Andy> you game me link to ubuntu alt
[13:07] <[1]Andy> i wanted xubuntu..
[13:07]  * vidd has gotten a system to install with only 64MB ram
[13:07] <[1]Andy> great!
[13:07] <[1]Andy> i mean great accomplisment!
[13:07] <vidd> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/8.04.1/release/xubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386.iso
[13:08] <[1]Andy> how much seeds that one got?
[13:08] <vidd> seeds?
[13:08] <[1]Andy> uh..i mean the torrent
[13:08] <vidd> that is a direct dl...not a torrent
[13:08] <[1]Andy> GOD!
[13:08] <[1]Andy> wew
[13:08] <[1]Andy> torrent link?
[13:08] <vidd> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/8.04.1/release/xubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[13:09]  * vidd does not use torrents
[13:09] <[1]Andy> xD okay
[13:09] <[1]Andy> thank you now i guess i have to leave for classes
[13:09] <[1]Andy> thank you again and bye :D
[13:09] <vidd> but...i suppose i could donate some seed space =]
[13:09] <[1]Andy> that would be wonderful
[13:09] <[1]Andy> keep it like for 3 days?
[13:10] <[1]Andy> cause i need to ask ....him (my friends) more then one time
[13:10] <[1]Andy> :P
[13:10] <[1]Andy> i have to rush bye bye.
[13:10] <vidd> pft...keep it running till 9.04!
[13:10] <[1]Andy> uh?
[13:10] <vidd> till the next release
[13:10] <[1]Andy> ah
[13:10] <[1]Andy> okay
[13:10] <[1]Andy> bay
[13:11] <[1]Andy> i mean bye
[13:14] <RurouniJones> How do you enable root again in *buntus?
[13:14] <vidd> RurouniJones, enable root? or get root access?
[13:15] <RurouniJones> enable root
[13:16] <vidd> the following command will compromise the built-in security of *buntu by setting the root password: "sudo passwd"
[13:16] <vidd> the recommended method of temporarily gaining root access is to "sudo [command]"
[13:16] <RurouniJones> ah yes, I was trying passwd root withouth the sudo
[13:18] <vidd> RurouniJones, since your going to disable the safty of your system, i would recommend that you not run any server services on that particular system, and you block port 22
[13:18] <RurouniJones> Ta
[13:18] <RurouniJones> I know all about the dangers of enabling root, don't worry
[13:18] <vidd> =]
[13:19] <vidd> i mention this for the others that are reading that may NOT know the dangers
[13:19] <RurouniJones> Hehehe, good point
[13:19] <RurouniJones> Right, now to figure out why scim isn't working...that is something I am NOT familiar with unfortunately
[13:20] <vidd> nor i
[13:20] <RurouniJones> It was a bugger to get working on kubuntu as well, pity I can't remember how I did it
[13:21] <vidd> RurouniJones, have you seen http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=282496?
[13:22] <vidd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=282496
[13:22] <RurouniJones> Found the answer I think on the wiki
[13:23] <vidd> cool
[13:23] <RurouniJones> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM - There is a note about xubuntu which matches my issue
[13:23] <RurouniJones> I didn't htink the mainline ubuntu forums had notes on the other variants. I have learned my lesson
[15:27] <thisguy> anyone around?
[15:27] <vidd> !anyone
[15:27] <thisguy> quick question for anyone who is up at this hour-- does anyone know which directories/files MUST be writable on a filesystem for things like xserver and other apps to run? I want to make the majority of the filesystem read only.
[15:32] <Pici> thisguy: Why would you want to do that?
[15:32] <Pici> thisguy: If a user doesn't have access to use sudo then they cannot edit most files, if they do, then changing the permissions isn't going to stop them since they can just change them back.
[15:33] <thisguy> I'm designing a car pc that shuts off when the car does, so I am using solid state drives and everything. I want to make the filesystem read only, so if it gets shut off it doesn't affect the way the filesystem functions
[15:34] <vidd> thisguy, so set everything to read only
[15:34] <vidd> apps need "execute" permission to function...not write permissions
[15:35] <thisguy> with what, a chmod -wx / ?
[15:35] <thisguy> right, so that command is faulty
[15:35] <thisguy> I wanted it similar to when you have a filesystem error, and the actual filesystem is read only, but I also want x and other apps to work
[15:37] <vidd> !embedded
[15:37] <vidd> !embed
[15:39] <thisguy> Ha ha its alright vidd, I won't bother you with it anymore. I need to get to work anyway. Have a good one :)
[15:40] <vidd> thisguy, basically, you want to look up info on "embedded xubuntu"
[15:40] <vidd> embedded systems dont have any writable space
[15:41] <thisguy> alright, will do. I actually just found Ubuntu Mobile just now, so I might give that a go as well.
[17:03] <sinbox> what would be the chmod command to give ownership to userB on files in a directory in their home folder ?
[17:05] <TheSheep> chown -R userB.userB ~userB/directory
[17:27] <Woo> Hey here is a newbie question. I want to install the server version of a *buntu. I only want it to run BOINC. Is that easy to set up with auto updates etc?
[17:33] <zoredache> Woo:  you might want to ask in #ubuntu-server.  Setting up a server is simple enough, not sure about voinc
[17:43] <sinbox> thanks TheSheep
[17:46] <heapy> helloa!
[17:50] <heapy> does anyone know how i can get a partition to show up on my xubuntu? (i have re-sized my hdd using parted magic, and made a ntfs partition in the space for music) but i dont know how to make it visable
[17:52] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[17:54] <heapy> thanks fella, i have just been lookin on that.. mm, could i just change the file system of the partition to a linux one to make it easier?
[17:57] <lesshaste> where is System -> Pref. -> Mouse in xubuntu?
[17:58] <heapy> bbs sheep lad..
[17:58] <cody-somerville> Applications > Settings > Settings Manager; Mouse
[17:59] <lesshaste> thanks
[17:59] <lesshaste> I don't see "turn off tapping" sadly
[18:00] <lesshaste> how do I turn off tapping on the touchpad
[18:00] <lesshaste> it is driving me mad
[18:02] <Odd-rationale> lesshaste: probably you have to make some settings in your xorg.conf file..
[18:03] <lesshaste> Odd-rationale, I think that was in the olden days
[18:03] <lesshaste> I can get gsynaptics to turn it off
[18:03] <lesshaste> but I don't know how to make it permanent
[18:04] <knome> just don't tap the touchpad
[18:04] <knome> :P
[18:04] <knome> it's easy
[18:04] <lesshaste> knome, that's impossible while moving the mouse :)
[18:04] <knome> uhh, no :)
[18:05] <lesshaste> I would dare you but you are a little far away :)
[18:05] <knome> "little"
[18:06] <lesshaste> oh no.. you are in my front room!
[18:06] <lesshaste> :)
[18:14]  * sinbox hates synaptic touchpads
[20:14] <Nikola-Xubuntu> Hello.
[20:16] <forces_> hi!
[20:52] <Nikola-Xubuntu> How are you?
[20:53] <forces_> I'm cold
[20:54] <Nikola-Xubuntu> Me too, cold here lol
[20:54] <Nikola-Xubuntu> We gots a heavy wind here
[20:56] <forces_> where are you?
[20:56]  * forces_ in Los Angeles CA
[20:56] <forces_> T_T
[20:58] <Nikola-Xubuntu> Serbia
[21:00] <forces_> all the night was rainning
[21:01]  * forces_ will eat el pollo loco
[21:01] <forces_> :P
[21:35] <thompsbm> how do i set the time in xubuntu
[21:36] <TheSheep> thompsbm: settings->date and time
[21:36] <TheSheep> thompsbm: sorry, system->...
[21:39] <thompsbm> thanks so much...i kept trying to right click...
[21:39] <thompsbm> hehehe
[21:40] <thompsbm> is there anyway to drag items in the menu to the desktop
[21:44] <TheSheep> thompsbm: no, but you can copy them from /usr/share/applications
[21:45] <thompsbm> TheSheep: sounds good thinks for the help
[22:02] <knome> !source
[22:02] <knome> !build
[22:13] <Polizei> well, i just need to ask somebody about it... how should i configure my keyboard layouts in xorg 7.4 (introduced in 8.10) ?
[22:14] <Polizei> technically spoken, where should i set up the grp:ctrl_alt_toggle xkboption ?
[22:14] <TheSheep> Polizei: read the release notes for 8.10
[22:14] <TheSheep> Polizei: it mentions the path of the config file
[22:14] <Polizei> TheSheep, what release notes?
[22:15] <TheSheep> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#X.Org%20Input%20Devices
[22:15] <Polizei> I've bought my laptop 4 days ago and nothing but 8.10 up'ped my wi-fi card so I've been forced...
[22:15] <Polizei> (i could compile madwifi as well, but i guess im kinda lazy :p)
[22:16] <Polizei> TheSheep, i'll check it, thanks
[22:16] <TheSheep> Polizei: I just remember it mentions the solution to your problem, took me a while to find the link, sorry
[22:16] <Polizei> TheSheep, you're telling me... I've been walking across google.bg and google.ru for days and nothing...
[22:17] <Polizei> I've workarounded it in xorg.conf, but now my touchpad's "scroll" doesn't work... :(
[22:18] <TheSheep> Polizei: if you install gsynaptics-mcs-plugin, you will have touchpad settings in the settings->setting manager
[22:21] <Polizei> And so, `dpkg-reconfigure console-setup' never asked me for a second keyboard layout to use
[22:25] <TheSheep> Polizei: you might try asking on #ubuntu
[22:27] <Polizei> TheSheep, I'm never gonna use GNOME, if you say that... And the touchpad scroll is not a pain in the ass, but I was just a bit curious if somebody can help...
[22:27] <Polizei> Thanks for all
[22:29] <TheSheep> Polizei: what I meant is that the xorg system is the same as in unbuntu, so they might be able to help, especially since there are more experts there
[22:32] <Polizei> Well, I guess it worths a try :)
[22:32] <filipegatti> I was installing Samba, but then I stopped when I remembered that Thunar doesn't works with Samba... I cancelled in the middle of the downloading/installation. Have the already download packages being installed or when I cancel they automatically delete/remove?
[22:33] <TheSheep> it doesn't delete automatically, you have to call 'apt-get clean' or select an option in synaptic
[22:33] <TheSheep> filipegatti: btw, you cam use samba with thunar using fusesmb
[22:33] <Polizei> They shouldn't be installed, but a kind of cache still stays in /var/cache/apt/archives
[22:36] <filipegatti> hmm, thank you... in older versions of xubuntu/thunar it was kind of impossible to use samba. but I don't know what I need to install or do to check the shared folders I have in another computer using Linux also.
[22:36] <Serraphyn> I installed vnc4server on my 8.04 system(fully updated) but I can't xvnc4viewer :1 it erros with unable to connect to host:
[22:42] <filipegatti> TheSheep, any thought?
[22:44] <TheSheep> filipegatti: you still don't use it with thunar, technically
[22:44] <TheSheep> filipegatti: fusesmb lets you mount samba shares as normal partitions, so thunar sees them as directories
[22:45] <TheSheep> !fusesmb
[22:45] <filipegatti> right. but there are another way to access my shared folders without having to install samba and fusesmb?
[22:46] <TheSheep> filipegatti: if they are shared using samba protocol, then you need some variation of a smaba client
[22:47] <TheSheep> filipegatti: if you can choose how to share them, there is a number of options -- from scp, through nfs to ftp
[22:48] <filipegatti> I guess the folder on my other computer was simply shared in ubuntu using right-click button and "share". So I don't know the protocol used.
[22:48] <filipegatti> the fastest way I guess is installing samba and fusesmb, right?
[22:48] <TheSheep> filipegatti: you don't need to install the 'samba' package itself, fusesmb will install all it needs automatically
[22:49] <TheSheep> filipegatti: I think the 'samba' package contains the server
[22:49] <TheSheep> filipegatti: you only need a client
[22:49] <TheSheep> filipegatti: you also might try pyneighbourhood
[22:49] <filipegatti> never heard about this last one. i'm focusing on the more lightweight system as possible.
[22:51] <filipegatti> pyneiborhood installs smbfs as required :P
[22:51] <filipegatti> i'll give a try
[22:52] <TheSheep> you might need to add your user to the fuse group and relog
[22:55] <Serraphyn> whats the command to start xfce4 like gnome-session is for gnome, is it xfce4-session?
[22:55] <heapy> helloa!
[23:00] <heapy> can someone help me get flash working on hardy, xubuntu 32bit. I have dloaded flash-nonfree but youtube doesn't work. also i have looked at /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree & there isn't any files in the folder.. whats going on lads?
[23:03] <TheSheep> heapy: what does 'I have dloaded' mean exactly?
[23:05] <heapy> i tried you tube.. and it said i didnt have flash, so i pressed a button to install flash from firefox.. it dloaded flashpluggin-nonfree.. but when i look at the folder, it contains nothing
[23:05] <heapy> synaptic shows flashplugin-nonfree installed
[23:07] <TheSheep> heapy: uninstall it and install again, with synaptic this time
[23:07] <heapy> & javascript is enabled in firefox im confused!
[23:07] <TheSheep> heapy: it will ask you to accept a license
[23:07] <heapy> ok
[23:08] <TheSheep> heapy: that package doesn't contain the flashplayer itself, because the license doesn't allow it, instead it has a script that asks you to accept license and then downloads and installs flashplayer
[23:09] <heapy> hang about!!!
[23:09] <heapy> synaptic just said.. file not installed could not find blah blah plugin-nonfree
[23:10] <heapy> it said "install complete" but when i pressed details it said it couldnt find the file to dload!
[23:11] <TheSheep> update the package list
[23:12] <heapy> what does the little star mean next to some of the files in synaptic?
[23:12] <heapy> on the box to tick i mean
[23:14] <TheSheep> heapy: the little ubuntu logo?
[23:15] <TheSheep> h	it means the package is officially supported by Canonical
[23:17] <heapy> wicked lad, that worked a treat!! i had to add something to the repositry (sp)
[23:17] <heapy> in synaptic
[23:19] <j1mc> Hi TheSheep
[23:20] <heapy> just one more thing to do, and im complete.. & thats to get a ntfs partition that i keep my music on to be reconised in xubuntu.. i have ran parted magic, and created the partition but dunno what to do so i can see it in here
[23:20] <j1mc> heapy: do you want the NTFS partition to be accessible when you boot your PC?
[23:20] <j1mc> each time?
[23:21] <heapy> you mean so i can access the partition everytime i boot into the xubuntu desktop, yes. but i dont want it to be an option to boot *into, cus it doesnt have an os installed
[23:22] <heapy> its just for media stuff
[23:22] <j1mc> heapy: ok
[23:22] <j1mc> :)
[23:22] <heapy> do you know how i can wangle that m8?
[23:22] <j1mc> what you'll need to do is create a folder that will serve at the mounting point of that partition
[23:23] <j1mc> and then tell your file system table (fstab) to mount that partition at boot.
[23:23] <j1mc> so . . . you can create the folder /home/heapy/media or /home/heapy/music or whatever
[23:24] <heapy> ok so i make a folder, /home/heapy/media then what boss? how do i use fstab? (i have not done this b4)
[23:25] <j1mc> sure... you'll need to find out how your disk sees the ntfs partition.
[23:25] <heapy> can parted magic help me on this? thats how i created the partitions in the first place u c
[23:25] <j1mc> parted magic can't help so much here.
[23:26] <j1mc> to see how your computer sees the partition, type "sudo mount | grep ntfs" (without the quotes)
[23:26] <j1mc> into a terminal
[23:26] <heapy> ther was an option to "mount" the ntfs partition to sda3 or somthing
[23:26] <heapy> shall i type that now?
[23:27] <j1mc> the "mount" command lists all of your disk partitions - grep says "only show me the ones that contain ntfs" in the results
[23:27] <j1mc> yes, please do that now
[23:27] <heapy> nothing happened!
[23:28] <j1mc> to see how your computer sees the partition, type "sudo mount | grep NTFS" (without the quotes)
[23:28] <j1mc> try it with capital NTFS
[23:29] <heapy> lad, i think i messed up.. i will restart and wont be long lad,.. can u wait 5?
[23:29] <heapy> i think i might of re-formatted the partition cus i was in a rage earlier :)
[23:29] <j1mc> ok
[23:29] <heapy> ta m8, brb
[23:30] <Odd-rationale> "!ntfs" might have some info...
[23:30] <Odd-rationale> !ntfs
[23:32] <j1mc> hi Odd-rationale . . . i forgot about fdisk -l
[23:32] <Memfis> Evening all, I'm familiar with debian and have been running it as a server OS for many years. I took the leap and setup an Xubuntu server which I vnc into. The only problem I have is that when no monitor is plugged in locally X starts in failsafe mode. whats the best way to prevent this as I want to run it as a headless box?
[23:32] <j1mc> Odd-rationale: that looks super-helpful, though.  :)  thx.
[23:32] <j1mc> why reinvent the wheel, right?
[23:33] <j1mc> Memfis: do you need any of the gui apps installed as part of xubuntu?
[23:33] <Memfis> yes I'll use vnc
[23:34] <j1mc> hm, there must be a way to only start the pc up to a certain runlevel, and then startx from there.
[23:34] <j1mc> i'm not sure how, exactly, though.
[23:35] <Memfis> It's just the auto detection thing
[23:35] <heapy> heya,
[23:36] <heapy> it was sudo mount | grep NTFS ?
[23:36] <j1mc> heapy, sorry, try "sudo fdisk -l"  the last character being a lowercase L
[23:37] <heapy> aha
[23:37] <heapy> that shows some info
[23:37] <j1mc> anything about ntfs or windows?
[23:37] <heapy> HPFS/NTFS
[23:37] <heapy> /dev/sda3
[23:37] <heapy> 50gb
[23:37] <j1mc> ok
[23:38] <j1mc> our next step is to alter our /etc/fstab file
[23:38] <heapy> oke
[23:38] <j1mc> that shows the filesystem where all of our partitions are
[23:39] <j1mc> first, let's backup our current fstab file
[23:39] <heapy> good plan :)
[23:39] <Odd-rationale> j1mc: np. :D
[23:39] <j1mc> sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup
[23:39] <j1mc> that copies the /etc/fstab file :)  (cp == copy)
[23:39] <heapy> missing destination file after fstab_backup
[23:40] <j1mc> what?  is that an error message?
[23:40] <heapy> cp: missing destination file operand after `/etc/fstab_backup'
[23:40] <heapy> Try `cp --help' for more information.
[23:41] <Odd-rationale> you forgot to put /etc/fstab
[23:41] <Odd-rationale> cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak
[23:42] <Odd-rationale> i think you might have just done "cp /etc/fstab_backup"
[23:42] <heapy> sheapy:~$ sudo cp /etc/fstab_backup
[23:42] <heapy> thats what i wrote m8
[23:42] <Odd-rationale> yeah... that's what i mean...
[23:42] <j1mc> sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup
[23:43] <j1mc> heapy: you skipped the original "/etc/fstab"
[23:43] <heapy> psheapy:~$ sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup
[23:43] <j1mc> the command needs to be "as root, copy /etc/fstab to /etc/fstab_backup"
[23:43] <j1mc> you just said, "as root, copy /etc/fstab_backup"
[23:44] <heapy> thanks, gottcha now lad duur im a donut
[23:45] <j1mc> did it work now?
[23:45] <heapy> well it hasn't done anything, its waiting for me to do some more i think
[23:45] <heapy> this is correct:
[23:45] <heapy> heapy:~$ sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup
[23:47] <Memfis> anyone else able to help with with running X in headless?
[23:47] <j1mc> heapy: ok, ubuntu now uses something called a UUID as part of setting the mount points
[23:47] <heapy> oke..
[23:47] <mschemerii> Memfis: in what way are you wanting headless? (terminal access and/or GUI)
[23:47] <heapy> im listenin m8. and learning
[23:47] <j1mc> it's more specific than just device labels, so we need to determine the UUID of your NTFS partition
[23:48] <heapy> ok
[23:48] <Memfis> GUI. I've setup xubuntu gui, but starting it without a monitor X complains and goes into failsafe mode
[23:48] <j1mc> so because your ntfs partition is at /dev/sda3, we need to identify the UUID of that partition
[23:48] <j1mc> to do that, we can enter, "sudo vol_id -u /dev/sda3"
[23:48] <j1mc> (without the quotes)
[23:49] <j1mc> you should get a string of characters that make no sense to you.  :)
[23:49] <heapy> mm error opening volume
[23:49] <Odd-rationale> j1mc: i'm not too sure about using uuid with ntfs...
[23:49] <j1mc> really?
[23:49] <Odd-rationale> just use device name...
[23:49] <j1mc> Odd-rationale: ok
[23:49] <j1mc> thx
[23:50] <Odd-rationale> do "sudo mkdir /media/ntfs" then http://paste2.org/p/116521
[23:50] <Odd-rationale> or something like that...
[23:50] <heapy> would this be easier to use a different file system for my media stuff lads?
[23:50] <Odd-rationale> heapy: well, depends..
[23:51] <Odd-rationale> do you need to use this parition with windows as well?
[23:51] <Odd-rationale> if so, then it is better to use ntfs... if you are using it only with linux, then ext3 would be better...
[23:51] <heapy> not right now i wont. but i figure i will be needing to install windows again in the future for some course work.. its a requirement
[23:52] <Odd-rationale> ok. well, ntfs works fine in linux...
[23:52] <Odd-rationale> now at least...
[23:52] <j1mc> yeah, it should be fine, heapy
[23:52] <Odd-rationale> anyways. gtg...
[23:52] <j1mc> ok, well, we've backed up our fstab file, so let's open up the regular one, and edit it
[23:52] <heapy> night night odd rat m8
[23:52] <j1mc> gksudo mousepad /etc/fstab
[23:53] <heapy> okw j1mc am wid u
[23:53] <j1mc> let me know when it's open
[23:53] <heapy> open...
[23:53] <j1mc> are there any lines in it that talk about /dev/sda3 already?
[23:54] <heapy> no, just sda1 and sda5 oh and scd0 for cdrom
[23:54] <j1mc> cool - we'll add a line for sda3 then
[23:54] <j1mc> copy and paste this complete line into a new line
[23:54] <j1mc> /dev/sda3 /home/heapy/media ntfs ro,user,auto,noexec,umask=0 0 0
[23:55] <heapy> do i actually need to make the folder at this point?
[23:55] <j1mc> you can make the folder right after we do this - it's ok
[23:56] <j1mc> or you can do it now
[23:56] <j1mc> either wya
[23:56] <j1mc> way
[23:56] <heapy> is /home/heapy <- the name of the computer?
[23:56] <j1mc> if you open up a new terminal . . .
[23:56] <j1mc> and type in   pwd   what comes up?
[23:57] <heapy> ./home/thomas
[23:57] <j1mc> /dev/sda3 /home/thomas/media ntfs ro,user,auto,noexec,umask=0 0 0
[23:57] <heapy> gottcha
[23:58] <heapy> .. am adding this line under the cdrom0
[23:58] <j1mc> ok
[23:58] <heapy> done..
[23:59] <j1mc> add a line above the one you just added that says #mount ntfs partition  (include the hash symbol) :)
[23:59] <j1mc> the hash symbol tells the computer to not read that line