[00:02] <rgreening> NCommander: hey
[00:02] <rgreening> so sick
[00:02] <NCommander> rgreening, UDS plague got you too?
[00:03] <rgreening> yus
[00:03] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[00:03] <Hobbsee> there really wasn't much plague *at* UDS, apart from a bunch of miagraines and such
[00:03] <NCommander> Hobbsee, don't let lool hear that
[00:03] <NCommander> rgreening, so no chance to help improve usb-imagewriter?
[00:04] <rgreening> NCommander: not tonight. You got it in lp?
[00:04] <rgreening> upload it to somewhere so I can grab the code.. prob tomorrow
[00:04] <NCommander> rgreening, yeah, its in Launchpad
[00:05] <rgreening> URL
[00:05] <NCommander> rgreening, lp:~sonicmctails/usb-imagewriter/qt-port
[00:05] <rgreening> k
[00:07] <ScottK-desktop> NCommander: i Notice that Debian now has an armel buildd for Experimental so we can see how KDE4 does there too.
[00:07] <ScottK-desktop> http://suihkulokki.blogspot.com/2008/12/armelexperimental-buildd-running.html
[00:07] <NCommander> ScottK-desktop, FTBFS
[00:07] <ScottK-desktop> Excellent.
[00:07] <NCommander> I finally had a horrible idea how to fix KDE
[00:07] <NCommander> But its such a miserable hack that I'm really not a fan of implementing it
[00:08] <NCommander> It's one of those, OMG, MY EYES BURN things
[00:08] <ScottK-desktop> IMO working hack beats beautiful failure.
[00:08] <NCommander> Its so hacky upstream would never accept it
[00:09] <Hobbsee> NCommander: oh yeah, him and calc obviously got it
[00:10] <ScottK-desktop> NCommander: Sometimes such things are useful for "Well it's ugly, but if you won't accept it, do better".
[00:11] <NCommander> The problem is with sip, not KDE itself
[00:11] <NCommander> But I looked at sips code, and eyes bled
[00:56] <ryanakca> Can kde-style-qtcurve be blacklisted / dropped for Jaunty, or does it need to be merged?
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: according to kde-look there is a kde4 version. If Debian has the kde4 version I'd merge, but if not I'd update the package
[01:11] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: *nod*, ok, thanks
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> since I think we were wanting to get away from the kde4-style-* packages this cycle
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> maybe kde-style-qtcurve should be merged with kde4-style-qtcurve
[01:41] <rgreening> :q
[01:41] <Hobbsee> vim irc bindings fail.
[01:41] <rgreening> doh.. focus
[01:41] <rgreening> :P
[01:41] <Hobbsee> i hear emacs has an irc client embedded, though.
[01:41] <rgreening> lol
[01:42] <jjesse> evening
[01:42] <rgreening> hey
[01:43] <ryanakca> emacs has life embedded :P
[01:45] <jjesse> hello rgreening
[02:24] <ScottK-laptop> emacs just needs an editor to be complete.
[02:25] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: You going to update your kvirc package?
[02:26] <rgreening> yes. but not tonight. too sick
[02:27] <rgreening> :( hack... cough
[02:27] <ScottK-laptop> Bah.  OK.  You're forgiven.  Just this once.  And only becuase jdstrand said nice things about you.
[02:27] <rgreening> lol
[02:28] <rgreening> Im glad a left a good impression on people
[02:28] <jjesse> rgreening you have the uds plague?
[02:28] <rgreening> yip
[02:28] <jjesse> dang i'm trying to avoid it
[02:29] <rgreening> its bad. I gave it to my wife and shes giving me the evil eye... double bad for me
[02:31] <ScottK-laptop> Just get well first and then take good care of her.  You'll be forgiven.
[02:31] <rgreening> :)
[02:58] <nixternal> jeesh what a day...so much work just to get my damn car back to normal
[02:59] <nixternal> note to self: do not trust neighbors to do anything for you
[02:59] <jjesse> cars suck i hate them
[03:15] <nixternal> jjesse: 34 days in houston? wth is that for?
[03:43]  * ScottK wonders who jjesse-dell9 upset to get that?
[03:45] <Riddell> doods
[03:46] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell must be in California.
[03:46] <nixternal> Riddell: where did you ride to today?
[03:48] <Riddell> whoa, ride?  like totally old dude
[03:49] <nixternal> like gag me with a spoon?
[03:49] <Riddell> today was surfing day, it was awesome
[03:49] <nixternal> I know you are in the valley and all, but you don't have to talk like um :p
[03:49] <nixternal> really? that is cool
[03:49] <nixternal> I can't surf to save my life
[03:49] <nixternal> I can boogy board fairly well though
[03:50] <Riddell> if you go surfing in California, it's impossible not to spend your time speaking surfer and singing beach boys tunes, dude
[03:50] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[03:50] <nixternal> did you ride your bike to the beach?
[03:51]  * NCommander tries to picture Riddell surfing and singing
[03:52]  * nixternal doesn't
[03:52]  * ScottK-laptop tries to picture NCommander fixing KDE on armel ....
[03:52] <NCommander> For some reason, I keep seeing Riddell riding a giant Kubuntu gear ...
[03:52] <NCommander> ScottK, I'm waiting for kde4libs 4.1.85 to compile first
[03:52] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: OK.
[03:54] <DaSkreech> NCommander: no picture it with a kilt :)
[03:55] <NCommander> ...
[03:55] <NCommander> MY EYES
[03:55] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Now looking at the Sip code will be a relief.
[03:56] <NCommander> but now I can't see to type code
[03:56] <ScottK-laptop> Are you a touch typist?
[03:56] <ScottK-laptop> And yet oddly enough, you can see to read IRC ...
[03:56] <nixternal> haha
[03:57] <NCommander> Screen reader
[03:57] <NCommander> and yes, I am a touch typist
[03:58] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Yo
[03:58] <nixternal> yo yo homie
[03:58] <nixternal> trying to get my passport in order so I can come visit you during Camp KDE dude
[03:59] <NCommander> ScottK, do you know a good guide to yacc?
[03:59] <nixternal> if I can't make Camp KDE, then it is a must to get to Guademy
[03:59] <ScottK-laptop> I don't even know what Yacc is.
[03:59] <NCommander> Yet another compiler compiler :-)
[03:59] <nixternal> parser generator dude
[03:59] <ScottK-laptop> So that would be a no.
[03:59] <ScottK-laptop> Oh.
[03:59] <nixternal> like lex, bison, and such
[03:59] <ScottK-laptop> Nope.
[03:59] <NCommander> You can guess why sip's code is evil
[03:59] <ScottK-laptop> Sounds painful.
[03:59] <NCommander> yeah
[04:00] <NCommander> It's written mostly in a language to write compilers
[04:00] <NCommander> Essentially its a compiler, to a compiler, to a compiler ;.;
[04:00] <nixternal> attempted to use yacc with our code at work...blows booty
[04:00] <NCommander> I'm currently knee deep in it
[04:00] <nixternal> iirc, yacc == non-free
[04:00] <NCommander> bison -y
[04:00] <NCommander> :-P!
[04:00] <nixternal> bison is the GNU version of it, that I do know
[04:01]  * DaSkreech kisses and hugs nixternal
[04:01] <nixternal> careful now dude
[04:01] <nixternal> I am a fighter, not a lover!
[04:01] <NCommander> nixternal, you want to take a shot at fixing this?
[04:01] <DaSkreech> :-)
[04:01] <NCommander> make love -not war
[04:01]  * DaSkreech knocks nixternal on his ass then
[04:01] <nixternal> NCommander: that would be one huge NO! :)
[04:01]  * nixternal gets his posse together
[04:01] <DaSkreech> It's going to be great to have you back in Jamaica
[04:01] <nixternal> jamaica mon
[04:02] <nixternal> booyakah
[04:02] <NCommander> Your going to be in New York nixternal?
[04:02] <DaSkreech> Bounty Killa and beenie!!
[04:02] <nixternal> jamaica mon
[04:03] <NCommander> Yeah
[04:03] <nixternal> I would like to see beenie
[04:03] <NCommander> Jamaica is at the N/Z subway :-)
[04:03] <nixternal> buju more than anyone else though
[04:03] <nixternal> haha, so true NCommander
[04:03]  * NCommander screams bloody murder
[04:03] <nixternal> matrix : matrix SEMICOLON row
[04:04] <nixternal> there you go, my elite yacc code from a portion of our old code at work
[04:04] <NCommander> ewwwwwwwwwww
[04:04] <DaSkreech> I'll walk down by his studio it's down the road from me
[04:05]  * nixternal huggles django
[04:05] <nixternal> JAYYYYYYYYNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[04:05] <DaSkreech>  He's not likely to be all Open source OMG I gotta come. Wait nixternal is there?? I'll roll myposse and roll my .. rolling type substance and head over there now!
[04:06] <nixternal> joo got it mang
[06:06] <NCommander> rgreening, ping?
[07:36]  * NCommander giggles like a crazy man
[07:40] <DaSkreech> ok
[07:40] <DaSkreech> what did you do?
[07:43] <NCommander> I figured out what was wrong with python-qt4
[07:43] <NCommander> The freaking author blotched a configure test
[07:43] <DaSkreech> neat
[07:43] <DaSkreech> what was wrong?
[07:43] <NCommander> It casts qreal to float on != ARM, and to double on ARM
[07:43] <NCommander> It does extactly the wrong thing
[07:43] <NCommander> I think I want to cry :-/
[07:43] <NCommander> I spent over two weeks to find out why the hell this wasn't working
[08:11] <Riddell> NCommander: you're my hero
[08:11] <Riddell> (although weren't you stuck on python-kde4?)
[08:11] <NCommander> sip was generating bad code because of the misset configuration option
[08:11] <NCommander> (that was causing the fun "lets shove doubles into float pointers issue)
[08:12] <Riddell> so with that change pyqt4 and pykde4 should be sorted?
[08:12] <NCommander> It might be necessary to transition pyqt4's rdepends
[08:12] <NCommander> On i386 architectures, pyqt4 had qreal set to float
[08:12] <NCommander> and the inverse on ARM
[08:13] <NCommander> For some reason, that worked -_-;
[08:13] <NCommander> I'm not sure yet
[08:13] <NCommander> (I'm not even 100% sure my fix is going to fly, but I'm optimistic)
[08:19] <Riddell> so on i386 is should be double and on arm it should be float?
[08:19] <NCommander> Bingo
[08:19] <NCommander> The configure test used a == where it should have been a !=
[08:26] <NCommander> (er, the other way around)
[08:26] <NCommander>     if (sizeof (qreal) != sizeof (double))
[08:26] <NCommander>         std::cout << "PyQt_qreal_double\n";
[08:26] <NCommander> YOu can see the bug ...
[08:28] <NCommander> actually
[08:28] <NCommander> it seems the test properly worked on i386 ...
[08:28] <NCommander> hrm
[08:28]  * NCommander shurgs
[08:42]  * NCommander hits his head on the wall harder
[08:43] <NCommander> sip has no way to specify platform specific features unless you tell it on the command line to turn it off or on, or explicately kill that feature
[08:43] <NCommander> my brain hurts
[08:54] <NCommander> Riddell, or ScottK, ping?
[09:03] <Riddell> hi NCommander
[09:03] <NCommander> hey Riddell
[09:03]  * NCommander figured out his issue
[09:10] <Riddell> NCommander: ooh?  which issue?
[09:10] <NCommander> How to fix the configure test
[09:11] <Riddell> ooh ooh
[09:11] <NCommander> I just ripped out the ifdefs from Qt so it will always work right
[09:11] <Riddell> clever
[09:11] <NCommander> (well, there is one narrow usecase where things would explode, but it would require hacked Qt to even have it happened)
[09:11] <NCommander> I'll know in a few minutes if this works sanely
[09:28] <NCommander> Awesome
[09:28] <NCommander> It looks like I'm in business w.r.t. to python-qt4
[09:32] <NCommander> Now if my qlist code is correct
[09:32] <NCommander> We should be good to go
[09:59] <gnomefreak> NCommander: here is comment that flash 10 on 64 bit arch https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/235135/comments/49
[10:01] <NCommander> It was breaking on 32-bit archs
[10:01]  * NCommander remembers this bug
[10:01] <gnomefreak> no 32 bit was fine
[10:03]  * gnomefreak looking for the exact comment about it
[10:04] <gnomefreak> NCommander: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/235135/comments/93
[10:08] <gnomefreak> thats odd a few comments below that said daniel had it backwards but 32 bit users with PA enabled seemed fine 64 bit users had the nviewer crashes
[10:09]  * NCommander shrugs
[10:09] <NCommander> anyway, brb
[10:45] <NCommander> rgreening, you awake?
[11:18] <lool> NCommander: Oh cool, you found it's a sip issue after all
[11:18] <lool> NCommander: No news on changing to qreal in the kdelibs API though?
[11:18] <NCommander> lool, unnecessary
[11:18] <NCommander> (though probably desirable, but I'll let upstream handle it)
[11:18] <Tonio_> hi there
[11:18] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ping ?
[11:18] <NCommander> lool, it all boiled down to one single freaking configure bug
[11:19] <lool> Cool, is this pushed already?
[11:19] <NCommander> (well, that was the last issue, but still, I'm steaming)
[11:19] <NCommander> I'm doing a full rebuild
[11:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have an issue with kpackagekit build on amd64, but that's really strange... it's a shlibsdeps issue I can't figure out....
[11:19] <NCommander> I was able to build pykde4 4.1.80, but now we have 4.1.85
[11:19] <NCommander> and I want to back out some of the unneccessary ARM fixes
[11:19] <NCommander> So probably later today/tommorow depending on how fast I can build the stack
[11:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't that supposed to use /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib64 by default ?
[11:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: oh, and for amarok, the amd64 build issue is a known mysql bug
[11:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll investigate to fix that one, but it shouldn't be considered an amarok problem btw
[11:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: found the issue for libpackagekit :) still some to do for mysql btw...
[11:34] <kwwii> Riddell: can one upgrade from the kde3 kmail to kde4 without problems or loss of emails?
[11:35] <Tm_T> kwwii: should be able to
[11:35] <Tonio_> kwwii: hey ;) is there a way to access the group photo HD ?
[11:35] <Tonio_> kwwii: didn't got any issue on my side
[11:35] <Tonio_> kwwii: but kmail 4.1 is horribly slow, btw....
[11:35] <Tonio_> kwwii: works like a charm with 4.2
[11:36] <kwwii> Tonio_: I put the photo on my flickr page, the orig version is still on my other laptop if you want it
[11:36] <kwwii> Tonio_: on my new computer it seems to at least start faster
[11:36] <Tonio_> kwwii: hehe, okay
[11:36] <kwwii> but I don't want to lose all the old mails on my system after upgrading
[11:38] <Tonio_> kwwii: yes you should consider a backup... in the first place
[11:38] <Tonio_> kwwii: what's your flickr page ?
[11:38] <kwwii> flickr.com/people/kwwii or such, let me check
[11:38] <kwwii> http://flickr.com/photos/kwwii
[11:44] <Tonio_> kwwii: thanks :)
[11:47] <\sh> kwwii: find the time to tag them properly,-)
[11:50] <kwwii> \sh: what? tag all of my pics? your crazy!
[11:51] <\sh> kwwii: na only the crazy^Wkde|cano|ubuntu ones ,-)
[11:51] <\sh> kwwii: but actually the most important picture was the burger ,-)
[11:52] <kwwii> \sh: I did tag it UDS Jaunty :-)
[11:52] <kwwii> hehe
[11:53] <\sh> kwwii: when we are back in Nuerenberg the next time (next year jan/feb) should I give you a call and you join for dinner? :)
[11:53] <kwwii> \sh: if you come to NBG it would be a pleasure to cook you dinner, just let me know when
[11:54] <\sh> kwwii: wow...that sounds nice :) I will :)
[11:54] <kwwii> just remebered I have to post my lasagne pics :-)
[11:55] <\sh> that reminds me, that I'm hungry ;)
[11:55] <\sh> but my cisco temperature is more important now :(
[11:57] <ScottK> NCommander: How goes the patching?  Here now.
[11:57] <glade88> was "plasmoid-quickaccess" removed upstream or only in kubuntu?
[11:57] <NCommander> ScottK, might have had a breakthrough
[11:57] <NCommander> I'm just waiting on stuff to compile
[11:57] <ScottK> NCommander: I read the backscroll.
[11:57] <NCommander> its still compiling :-)
[11:57] <ScottK> NCommander: Let me know when you need an upload ....
[11:57] <NCommander> do we have python-qt4 in bazaar?
[11:58] <ScottK> NCommander: I don't think so.  We sync'ed it from Debian.
[11:58] <NCommander> fair enough
[12:00]  * NCommander is debating between compiling code and sleep ...
[12:00] <ScottK> NCommander: Compile.  Sleep is for the weak.
[12:00] <NCommander> yes sir
[12:00]  * NCommander queues up the techno in his music library
[12:01]  * ScottK would have gone for more coffee, but whatever works for you.
[12:01] <NCommander> I'm trying to cut back on the caffiene
[12:11] <ScottK> So here's a question for the quassel aficianados in the room ....  Where do I find IRC logs I can grep through?
[12:12] <lool> ScottK: mirror irclogs.ubuntu.com!  \o/
[12:12] <NCommander> lool beat me to it :-/
[12:13] <\sh> ScottK: when you scroll up it fetches the past entries from the core
[12:14] <ScottK> Interesting.
[12:15] <ScottK> lool: Not all the IRC channels I use are Ubuntu ones.
[12:15] <\sh> ScottK: and I think there is a possibility to export the messages from the core db...just ask sput@#quassel ,-)
[12:15] <\sh> or EgS
[12:16] <NCommander> ScottK, what IRC client do you use?
[12:16] <ScottK> I'm using quassel right now.  Generally I use Konversation.
[12:16]  * NCommander hugs his x-chat
[12:17] <NCommander> wow, its the Dawn
[12:17] <ScottK> Since Konvi is likely getting the boot for Jaunty, I'm looking at alternatives.
[12:17] <NCommander> irssi :-)?
[12:17] <ScottK> What tz do the quassel devs mostly live in?
[12:18]  * NCommander was suprised how many people used irssi
[12:18] <\sh> ScottK: UTC+1
[12:18] <ScottK> \sh: Thanks.
[12:18] <\sh> ScottK: speak: .DE ;)
[12:19] <\sh> ScottK: and good thing they are living all in karlsruhe ,-)
[12:21] <\sh> NCommander: a good thing that many peopel were switching from bitchx to irssi ,-)
[12:21] <NCommander> I think I was the only XChat guy there
[12:22] <NCommander> and the only Xubuntu user :-P (rgreening and nixternal complained when they saw my desktop :-/)
[12:24] <NCommander> (I was the only nano user, but persia descended from the sky, and installed vim ...)
[12:25] <lool> ScottK: I thought you were asking about the current chan
[12:25] <ScottK> lool: No, generally.  I'm trying to figure out what needs to be done with quassel to make it suitable as default IRC client.
[12:25] <ScottK> ... for Kubuntu.
[12:26] <lool> a) make it run in a terminal b) make it as good as irssi    hmm wait
[12:26] <lool> nevermind
[12:29] <\sh> ScottK: afaik Sput is working on KDE integration for quassel...
[12:30] <ScottK> Interesting.
[12:30] <\sh> since he learned from me, that's an easy task to add some kde magic to qt apps
[12:32] <ScottK> \sh: Any chance you could do some spamassassin SRU verification for me?
[12:38] <\sh> ScottK: I can but can't approve :)
[12:39] <ScottK> \sh: That's fine.  I'd just like for someone other than me (who uploaded it) to test it.
[12:39] <ScottK> \sh: Bug #278075
[12:39] <ScottK> You have your pick of Ubuntu releases as they all need verification done.
[12:42] <NCommander> yay, dapper SRUs :-P
[12:42] <NCommander> hard to believe that's not dead yet
[12:42] <NCommander> still, dapper is special with the verison number 6.06
[12:43] <ScottK> NCommander: Oddly enough one of the bugs I was fixing in that SRU set only applied to the dapper release version of spamassassin, so people are still using it.
[12:43] <NCommander> amazing
[12:44] <NCommander> You'd think people would have migrated to Hardy by now
[12:45]  * ScottK 's primary desktop is still Dapper.
[13:21] <\sh> NCommander: server people are a bit more conservative regarding dist-upgrades...it needs testing upgrade-paths, application is still working, system reboots on the same hardware...which all is very time consuming
[13:21] <NCommander> yeah
[13:22] <\sh> my first root server needs an upgrade to hardy at least..and I know when I do now a dist-upgrade at least my cyrus imapd will break
[13:32] <Fenario> freeflying, do you know the Intel Atom chip?
[13:33] <freeflying> Fenario: yes
[13:34] <Fenario> freeflying, http://media.arstechnica.com/news.media/451/remixlauncher.png
[13:35] <Fenario> freeflying, dell netbook UI  http://gadgets.boingboing.net/8-21-08insp9101-thumb-520x416.jpg
[13:36] <Fenario> freeflying, http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/mini1000/hpmini1000_mie.html
[13:37] <Fenario> freeflying, clutter
[13:38] <freeflying> Fenario: thanks
[13:39] <Fenario> freeflying, http://www.trustedreviews.com/images/article/inline/9029-display.jpg
[13:55] <rgreening> Riddell: ping
[13:56] <Fenario> freeflying, my pleasure thank you for your time
[13:57] <freeflying> Fenario: me too, thanks, have a good day :)
[14:03] <cbr> damn u buildd's.. plz compile the new xserver for i386 :p
[14:11] <rgreening> ping Tonio_
[15:09] <ScottK> It'd be nice if someone running Jaunty could see if we have the same problem as in Debian Bug 505821 since there's a patch there.
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> On the subject of kipi-plugins, are we going to update them to the KDE4 version for jaunty since we are updating digikam to its kde4 version?
[15:20] <ScottK> I thought we had both.
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> we have both for libkipin
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> n = 0 || 5
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> but not for kipi-plugins
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> (the kde4 version is still in beta and wasn't ever in Intrepid)
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> The binaries of the dikikam source package and the kphotoalbum package are the only things that depend on the kde3 kipi-plugins
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> we're gonna update digikam to it's kde4 version, and kphotoalbum has a kde4 port (don't know how far along it is though)
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> it would be nice if we could drop the kde3 kipi-plugins for jaunty
[16:11]  * ScottK suggests a conflicting kipi-plugins-kde4 for in the mean time.
[16:12] <directhex> perhaps this is more of a hive of activity. can someone provide a copy of the build log from the failed csharp plasma examples build?
[16:18] <ScottK> NCommander: How's your armel fix coming?  We FTBFS kde4bindings again.
[16:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Was it you that did the kde4bindings upload that failed due to the mono examples?
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> I don't think I've touched kde4bindings in a while
[16:20] <rgreening> directhex: I may have... 1 sec
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> I investigated how to turn mono completely off for the ppa
[16:21] <cbr> does anyone have the latest xserver 1.5.99....-ubuntu2 package for i386?
[16:22] <rgreening> directhex: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/84617/
[16:23] <directhex> rgreening, do you have the line above it, with the compiler call in it?
[16:24] <rgreening> unfortunately, no.
[16:24] <directhex> rgreening, because I just compiled that
[16:25] <directhex> root@osc-franzibald:/tmp/kde4bindings-4.1.85/csharp/plasma/examples/applets/tiger/contents/code# gmcs -target:library -r:/usr/lib/cli/kdebindings-4.4/qt-dotnet.dll -r:/usr/lib/cli/kdebindings-2.0/plasma-dll.dll tiger.cs
[16:25] <directhex> root@osc-franzibald:/tmp/kde4bindings-4.1.85/csharp/plasma/examples/applets/tiger/contents/code#
[16:38] <directhex> AHA
[16:38] <apachelogger> rgreening: batbuild keeps backups of all builds
[16:38] <directhex> it's a bug in 4.1.85
[16:38] <directhex> was fine with 4.1.80
[16:38] <directhex> silly kde
[16:39] <rgreening> apachelogger: only if you do not remove the dir (which I did)
[16:39] <apachelogger> silly rgreening as well
[16:41] <rgreening> silly putty
[16:41] <directhex> hm, if this fixes it i'll be vexed
[16:42] <apachelogger> rgreening: putty?
[16:42] <directhex> tiger.dll
[16:42]  * apachelogger likes his new dependency graph :D
[16:42] <directhex> okay, is there somewhere i can swear loudly without offending anyone?
[16:42] <apachelogger> nixternal: did you review the pim?
[16:42] <apachelogger> directhex: #swear I guess
[16:43] <directhex> i feel better now
[16:43] <rgreening> apachelogger: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly_putty
[16:43] <apachelogger> ~np
[16:43] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "santa bring my baby back to me" by paniq
[16:44] <directhex> -            svg.Resize(Size);
[16:44] <directhex> +            svg.Resize(Size());
[16:44] <directhex> fixed.
[16:44] <apachelogger> directhex: wait with committing though
[16:44]  * apachelogger needs to do some fiddling with the kdebindings branch
[16:44] <directhex> http://paste.debian.net/23811/
[16:45] <directhex> cba messing about with branches again. above is the fix
[16:45] <apachelogger> ^_^
[16:45] <directhex> plasma made in c#: neato. changing properties into methods in an effort to make me gnaw off my own arm: not neato
[16:46] <jjesse> rgreening: https://code.launchpad.net/~jjesse/ufw-kde/documentation for ufw-kde will start working on this as well
[16:47] <nixternal> apachelogger: nope on the pim review...last night was wasted getting my car usable again after being frozen in
[16:48] <nixternal> today I am at work and preparing for a 5 hour business meeting which doesn't sound fun
[16:48] <nixternal> and to top it off, we are having a blizzard right now
[16:48] <rgreening> brr
[16:48] <apachelogger> that siad, tomorrow is wed, wed is meeting day... all day long that is...
[16:48] <jjesse> nixternal: in houston today and its only 40 degrees :(
[16:48] <nixternal> did we have any KDE updates last week at all?
[16:49] <jjesse> my mtg day is monday which is why i like to travel so they can't track me down at all :)
[16:49] <nixternal> prior to UDS, my dual screens worked perfectly, now they don't, but they work
[16:50] <apachelogger> nixternal: jaunty?
[16:50] <nixternal> intrepid
[16:50] <nixternal> using experimental
[16:50] <apachelogger> maybe JontheEchidna broke something in experimental
[16:51] <apachelogger> I didn't see any KDE related SRUs though
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> any changes I did to the ppa packages were strictly adding conflicts/replaces against older versions
[16:51] <nixternal> it wouldn't have been in a stable release as I am using the 4.2 beta packages
[16:52] <nixternal> ya, that wouldn't have caused it
[16:52] <apachelogger> anyway, what I am trying to say: blame X :P
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> let us make another abstraction layer that we can blame!
[16:52]  * nixternal thinks if there was an x update this week
[16:52] <nixternal> hahahaha
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> we can call it... CXorg
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> since KDE isn't using K anymore
[16:54] <apachelogger> crossover?
[16:55] <directhex> apachelogger, is the above patch enough to be getting on with?
[16:56] <apachelogger> directhex: get on with?
[16:57] <directhex> http://paste.debian.net/23811/ fixes the bug which debian/patches/kubuntu_04_disable_csharp_plasma_examples.patch works around
[16:57] <directhex> it's an error in the example code, due to an apparent change in the API
[16:59] <apachelogger> directhex: yeah, I got that, but what does your question mean?
[16:59]  * directhex suspects a language barrier caused confusion
[17:00] <apachelogger> *nod*
[17:01] <directhex> as long as the Right People(tm) have that patch, then i shall disappear
[17:02] <rgreening> directhex: that wasn't the only broken example
[17:02] <rgreening> directhex: I tried commenting them out individually, and several broke.
[17:07] <apachelogger> funnies
[17:12] <devfil> ScottK, ScottK-desktop: can you take a new look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=digikam-kde4 ?
[17:22] <ScottK> devfil: Looking
[17:22] <directhex> rgreening, same bug in analog-clock, FYI. in 2 places. patch later, gotta pick wife up
[17:24] <rgreening> kk
[17:30] <vicentek> hey
[17:30] <vicentek> are we going to get kde 4.2 beta2 packages today?
[17:39] <ScottK> devfil: Commented.
[17:39] <ScottK> vicentek: Jaunty or Intrepid?
[17:41] <vicentek> ScottK: intrepid
[17:42] <ScottK> Not sure exactly.  Uploads for Jaunty have started.  Intrepid PPA is usually shortly behind.
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> Probably would be tomorrow at the latest. In any case it won't be nearly as late as last time
[17:43] <ScottK> So the kde4bindings on armel problem this time was just depends problem becuase kde4libs had finished just about when it started.
[17:43]  * ScottK requed it.
[17:45] <devfil> ScottK: what "Looks like some missing ’i’s in Conflicts: digikam, digkam-doc, digkam-dbg in debian/control " means?
[17:45] <ScottK> digkam/digikam
[17:46] <ScottK> Two of those.
[17:46] <devfil> ah ok, I see
[17:46] <devfil> really strange, this is the old package upgraded
[17:47] <ScottK> May have been a long standing mistake.
[17:47] <ScottK> BTW, test build is at 50% ....
[17:57] <cbr> are the i386 buildd's busy or smth?
[17:58] <cbr> it's built for all kind of strange architectures.. armel, powerpc, ia64, but no i386
[18:01]  * ScottK hands cbr https://launchpad.net/+builds/
[18:05] <cbr> it's building a lot of kde4 stuff
[18:06] <Riddell> rgreening: pong
[18:07] <rgreening> Riddell: hey
[18:07] <apachelogger> cbr: today is KDay, that is the day I am consuming all buildds with KDE packages
[18:07] <apachelogger> muhahahahaha
[18:07] <rgreening> Riddell: I found the konqueror flash patch.. it was in kdelibs not base.
[18:07]  * JontheEchidna is doing his part to bog down the ppa buildds
[18:07] <cbr> bummer :(
[18:07] <cbr> i want my functioning xorg :p
[18:07] <rgreening> Riddell: I have rewritten it. Test building now
[18:09] <Riddell> rgreening: top stuff, sorry for sending you in the wrong direction
[18:09] <rgreening> Riddell: np.. I needed the excercise :)
[18:09] <rgreening> hopefully it works
[18:10] <apachelogger> cbr: while broken; wait; end; while unbroken; wait; end;
[18:10] <apachelogger> eventually the latter is preferrable
[18:10] <apachelogger> as a matter of fact one ought not have to wait in an active manner in the latter case, could be threaded I guess
[18:19] <ScottK> devfil: More comments for you.
[18:20] <rgreening> hey Tonio_, where art thou?
[18:24] <Tonio_> rgreening: hey ;)
[18:24] <Tonio_> I'm at work
[18:24] <Tonio_> newest kipi-plugins uploaded to kubuntu-experimental, btw
[18:25] <ScottK> Tonio_: Did you see the patch from Debian I mentioned earlier today?
[18:25] <Tonio_> rgreening: sorry I had a meeting.... I I'm just going for another one
[18:25] <Tonio_> ScottK nope, lemme look
[18:25] <ScottK> Tonio_: Debian Bug 505821
[18:26] <Tonio_> ScottK ok
[18:26] <Tonio_> ScottKis that commited upstream ?
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> cd ..
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> oops
[18:26] <Tonio_> ScottK looks like this patch is for the 1.6 series -> kde3
[18:26] <Tonio_> ScottK I was talking about packaging the beta kde4 version
[18:27] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.  They mentioned Debian Experimental, so I figured it was KDE4 too.
[18:27] <rgreening> Tonio_: how are things? recovered from UDS?
[18:27] <Tonio_> ScottK which is already on the kubuntu-exp ppa
[18:27] <ScottK> Great
[18:27] <Tonio_> rgreening: yeah, I had real hard time comming back, it took me 26 hours....
[18:27] <rgreening> ouch
[18:27] <Tonio_> problem with connection in philadelphia :)
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> did philadelphia get hit by the big ice storm too?
[18:27] <Tonio_> ScottK they still have the kde3 version right now....
[18:28] <Tonio_> rgreening: we'll talk later, I really have to go, sorry :)
[18:28] <rgreening> kk Tonio_
[18:29] <devfil> ScottK: how can I fix "package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libdigikamcore1 libdigikamdatabase1 should almost certainly be fixed (I’ll take an argument about why not if you have one)." ?
[18:29] <ScottK> devfil: Look in the packaging guide about library packaging and how binaries should be named.
[18:31] <devfil> ScottK: yes, I've read that part but in this case the binary is not called with -0, or -1 etc...
[18:31] <devfil> this should be a program and not a library, also the library is built inside the package
[18:33] <ScottK> If you run lintian with the -i flag it will tell you exactly what to do about it (on the binaries).
[18:34] <devfil> ScottK: yes, I see but i'm tryin' to explain you that this is a software and not a library and that change to the package name is useless
[18:34] <ScottK> devfil: OK, then why is it called lib....
[18:35] <devfil> ScottK: where?
[18:38] <ScottK> I was thinking of usr/lib/libdigikamcore.so.1.0.0, but since it's not a separate binary for the lib, these tags should probably just be over-ridden.
[18:39] <devfil> ScottK: I'm also overriding non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink
[18:39] <ScottK> Good
[18:40] <devfil> and no-symbols-control-file
[18:40] <devfil> (info)
[18:43] <ScottK> OK.
[18:44] <Tm_T> tomorrow new beta, iu!
[18:51] <devfil> ScottK: uploaded a new package?
[18:51] <devfil> s/?/!/
[18:52] <ScottK> devfil: I'm blocked up with $WORK, so you should get someone else to review it next.
[18:53] <devfil> ok, I'm the second sponsor, I need the first
[18:53] <blizzz> the kde 4.2 beta 2 packeges in intrepid will replace the stable kde 4.1.3, right?
[18:54] <JontheEchidna> blizzz: yes
[18:54] <blizzz> JontheEchidna: ty
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> Is it customary for the MIR bug reporter to subscribe ubuntu-mir, or does an motu have to do it?
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> bug 308060
[19:20] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you should do it
[19:40] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[19:40] <_Groo_> join #kubuntu
[20:18] <directhex> rgreening, apachelogger, bug fix for the other broken plasma c# example: http://paste.debian.net/23827/
[20:31] <DaSkreech> Just to let you know that the Beta 2 announcement popped up in my RSS reader :)
[20:31] <DaSkreech> the site isn't showing it so I guess it's under wraps
[20:32] <Riddell> I published it for a bit, then hid it again
[20:32] <DaSkreech> Ah that explains that
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> KDE delayed the release until tomorrow
[20:33] <seele> argh.. my camera isn't mounting in intrepid
[20:35] <rgreening> hmm..
[20:35] <rgreening> weird
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/12/8/128732255836249218.png
[20:36] <NCommander> hey rgreening
[20:36] <rgreening> hey NCommander
[20:36] <NCommander> how goes things?
[20:37] <rgreening> ok. I need a serious power nap though.
[20:37]  * NCommander just got up from one :-P
[20:37] <rgreening> never slept last night. I coughed so much I though the ceiling would collapse
[20:38] <DaSkreech> Anyone looked at the Wine for Main in Jaunty Spec?
[20:39]  * rgreening is going to go home and nap for a bit
[20:41] <seele> hmm.. we didn't get a kubuntu group photo at uds, did we
[20:43] <DaSkreech> Nope at least none was posted
[20:43] <DaSkreech> Was there an Ubuntu group photo?
[20:44] <NCommander> At UDS?
[20:44] <NCommander> yeah
[20:45] <DaSkreech> Did see that either :(
[20:46] <DaSkreech> didn't
[20:46] <DaSkreech> I probably need a nap as well :(
[20:48] <Nightrose> seele: same here as i found out a few hours ago :(
[20:52] <seele> Nightrose: about the camera?
[20:52] <Nightrose> jep
[20:52] <seele> booo
[20:52] <Nightrose> :/ jep
[20:53] <Nightrose> i ended up using my eeepc which is still on hardy
[20:53] <Nightrose> do you have 4.1 or 4.2 btw?
[20:53] <seele> 4.1.3
[20:53] <Nightrose> 4.2 here
[20:53] <Nightrose> ok
[20:53] <seele> i had to use justin's hardy box to get my picture
[20:54] <directhex> rgreening, did you catch my second patch above?
[20:55] <jjesse> i can't belive we forgot to do a kubuntu uds picture
[20:57] <DaSkreech> Nightrose, seele: This is your unable to mount problem ?
[20:57] <Nightrose> ?
[20:59] <seele> DaSkreech: mount the camera problem?
[21:00] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[21:06] <R_Rios> Amarok 2 is not working here
[21:06] <R_Rios> I get this message when I try to run it from the terminal:
[21:06] <R_Rios> FAILURE (KCmdLineArgs):
[21:06] <R_Rios> Application requests for isSet("multipleinstances") but the "multipleinstances"option
[21:06] <R_Rios> has never been specified via addCmdLineOptions( ... )
[21:06] <R_Rios> ASSERT: "0" in file /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.3/kdecore/kernel/kcmdlineargs.cpp, line 1499
[21:06] <R_Rios> Cancelado
[21:06] <R_Rios> I'm using Kubuntu Intrepid
[21:07] <R_Rios> What's going on?
[21:08] <smarter> apachelogger: ^ has amarok2 been tested on kde 4.1.3?
[21:13] <Nightrose> yes
[21:13] <Nightrose> some of our devs are still on 4.1.3
[21:14] <Nightrose> and i am pretty sure the package was tested on 4.1.3 by quite a few of our users
[21:19] <DaSkreech> Why does that look like it's trying to open a second process of Amarok ?
[21:47] <cbr> the launchpad/+builds thingy shows that there are "x builds in queue" but doesnt show the stuff in the queue?
[21:50] <cbr> oh, it does
[21:50] <cbr> and the xserver build failed to build :(
[21:50] <cbr> that's why it isn't in jaunty yet
[21:53] <cbr> some error with installing libdrm-dev in the buildd log
[21:53] <cbr> it tries to overwrite a file already existant in some other package
[21:53] <cbr> the install fails, the build fails
[22:01] <cbr> it tries to overwrite /usr/include/drm/drm.h which is also in package linux-libc-dev
[22:01] <cbr> and fails
[22:12] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Absolutely.
[22:13] <ScottK> Nightrose: I certainly tested 4.1.3.
[22:13] <ScottK> cbr: Missing conflicts/replaces.
[22:15] <cbr> well, possibly, all i care for is that i'm stuck in a VT until someone discovers it :p
[22:37] <ScottK> [17:33:15] <pusling> ohh.. ubuntu is already shipping libplasma3. good luck ubuntu.
[22:37] <ScottK> [17:35:50] <pusling> ScottK: you know it is very abi flaky ?
[22:37] <ScottK> So message passed ...
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> not as of kde 4.2
[22:37] <ScottK> OK.
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> it's binary compatible as of 4.2
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> until KDE5
[22:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: Can you add a build of rsibreak to Neon. That's the solution to Bug #305886.
[23:29] <ScottK> wtf.  How can libplasma2 be a depends of libplasma3
[23:31] <ScottK> Dear apt-cache: replaces/conflicts is not the same thing as depends.
[23:36] <NCommander> o_o;
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> lol?
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> do sarcastic bug reports work on the apt-cache people? :P
[23:42] <ScottK> Dunno.  Never filed one.
[23:59] <ScottK> Who did kdeedu?