| === _MMA_ is now known as MetalMusicAddict | ||
| === MetalMusicAddict is now known as _MMA_ | ||
| _MMA_ | Nam. No posts to the ML in 5 days. | 14:40 |
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| _MMA_ | *Man | 14:40 |
| thorwil | http://the-space-station.com/2008/12/15/ubuntu-logo-similarity-contest | 16:56 |
| manzur | hello | 19:03 |
| manzur | check this | 19:03 |
| manzur | http://ebupof.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-website-84984292 | 19:03 |
| manzur | http://same-gfx.deviantart.com/art/screenflow-portfolio-81710478 | 19:03 |
| manzur | u'll love this | 19:03 |
| manzur | we need this for ubuntu | 19:03 |
| manzur | artwork | 19:03 |
| manzur | web site | 19:03 |
| thorwil | my personal opinion is 2 times no. i don't love it and don't think "we" need it | 19:04 |
| manzur | what do ya think people | 19:04 |
| manzur | ? | 19:04 |
| manzur | why | 19:07 |
| manzur | i mean this is ubuntu artwork channel | 19:07 |
| manzur | are you art designers | 19:07 |
| manzur | ? | 19:07 |
| knome | yes and people can disagree about things in here as well. | 19:07 |
| thorwil | manzur: the heron is release specific ... don't even know why it's there, showing through only so slightly | 19:08 |
| thorwil | manzur: my main issue is that it's all brown in brown. suffocating | 19:08 |
| manzur | thorwil: it does not have to be like this | 19:08 |
| manzur | but ubuntu web site | 19:08 |
| manzur | cuold be more intelligent | 19:09 |
| manzur | i mean | 19:09 |
| knome | it is getting a redesign | 19:09 |
| manzur | what do we get nowadays | 19:09 |
| manzur | a simple web site | 19:09 |
| manzur | with pictures and links | 19:09 |
| thorwil | simple is good | 19:09 |
| knome | have you heard of the KISS ideology? | 19:09 |
| manzur | no | 19:09 |
| knome | "keep it simple stupid" | 19:09 |
| lianimator | keep it simple stupid.. | 19:09 |
| knome | works for most occasions | 19:10 |
| knome | if not all | 19:10 |
| manzur | but, excuse me | 19:10 |
| manzur | it looks like a web site design by a kid | 19:10 |
| manzur | this is what i mean | 19:10 |
| manzur | i mean ubuntu must have professional designers | 19:10 |
| knome | if we like it... | 19:10 |
| thorwil | manzur: i don't think the current ubuntu website design is good. but i think it's better than that mockup | 19:11 |
| manzur | thorwil: that's why i said it ddoes not have to be like so | 19:12 |
| manzur | i mean check this | 19:12 |
| manzur | https://usshop.ubuntu.com/category.php?catid=3 | 19:12 |
| manzur | ubuntu cd/dvd covers | 19:12 |
| manzur | they look terrible | 19:12 |
| manzur | for me | 19:12 |
| manzur | i mean | 19:12 |
| manzur | what do ya think | 19:12 |
| manzur | ? | 19:12 |
| thorwil | manzur: note that there is at most a single person in this channel who might get to have something to do with the official web-design | 19:12 |
| manzur | thorwil: yes, and excuse me if i am rude | 19:13 |
| manzur | really | 19:13 |
| thorwil | manzur: yes, terrible | 19:13 |
| manzur | i just have to say it | 19:13 |
| manzur | what for? | 19:13 |
| thorwil | manzur: no worries | 19:13 |
| manzur | to be better | 19:13 |
| thorwil | manzur: you are operating under some wrong assumptions | 19:13 |
| manzur | there are a lot of people out there | 19:13 |
| manzur | who are designres | 19:14 |
| manzur | * | 19:14 |
| manzur | and they see how pretty ubuntu looks | 19:14 |
| manzur | to use it | 19:14 |
| manzur | so we got to be the best as os | 19:14 |
| manzur | and design | 19:14 |
| manzur | i mean i like suse design | 19:15 |
| manzur | so not u | 19:15 |
| manzur | ? | 19:15 |
| manzur | it looks pro | 19:15 |
| manzur | and simple | 19:15 |
| manzur | "simple" | 19:15 |
| manzur | but good | 19:15 |
| manzur | and pro | 19:15 |
| knome | manzur, not all of us are in a situation that we could do the webdesign and just get it uploaded to the main site | 19:15 |
| thorwil | manzur: what are you trying to achieve here and who do you think you are talking to right now? | 19:15 |
| manzur | thorwil: both of u | 19:15 |
| manzur | knome: i know that | 19:16 |
| manzur | but | 19:16 |
| thorwil | knome: in fact nobody here is, with only 1 person where i could see doubt | 19:16 |
| manzur | we should post an idea | 19:16 |
| manzur | in brainstorm | 19:16 |
| knome | manzur, you're welcome. | 19:16 |
| manzur | can u help me? | 19:16 |
| manzur | are u agree | 19:16 |
| manzur | ? | 19:16 |
| manzur | do u agree | 19:16 |
| manzur | ? | 19:16 |
| manzur | * | 19:16 |
| thorwil | manzur: canonical recently hired a strategical lead of design. so you can expect things to change and the web presence might be the first | 19:18 |
| manzur | thorwil: how do u know that | 19:19 |
| manzur | ? | 19:19 |
| manzur | where can i find that new | 19:19 |
| manzur | ? | 19:19 |
| thorwil | right now trying to push for changes from outside of canonical is a waste of time | 19:19 |
| thorwil | manzur: there was a job posting. and a blog post from mark shuttleworth. there is an video interview with the new guy | 19:20 |
| thorwil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcFCVHJFNTU&feature=channel_page | 19:20 |
| thorwil | manzur: btw, doing research is an important, but often overlooked part of doing design ;) | 19:21 |
| manzur | excuse me i was at lunch | 19:29 |
| manzur | jajaja | 19:29 |
| manzur | thorwil: can u tell me what he says | 19:31 |
| manzur | ? | 19:31 |
| thorwil | no | 19:31 |
| manzur | i mean i am not from usa, i am from colombia | 19:32 |
| manzur | i am not that good in english | 19:32 |
| _MMA_ | Because only the US has English as it's national language. :P | 20:12 |
| _MMA_ | luisbg: Ping | 20:12 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: i though some people would be delighted if the US had English as national language? :) | 20:15 |
| _MMA_ | luisbg: Can you summarize Julian's video in Spanish for manzur? ¿por favor? (if you're around) | 20:16 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: That was sarcasm if you didn't get it. :) | 20:19 |
| thorwil | hi dilomo | 20:38 |
| dilomo | hi :) how are you | 20:38 |
| thorwil | alright and you? | 20:38 |
| dilomo | Fine, I've been very busy these days with work | 20:39 |
| dilomo | I just read your email on the list and I agree with you | 20:39 |
| thorwil | how boring :) | 20:39 |
| dilomo | :) I made the necessary changes to the tabs | 20:40 |
| dilomo | btw do you know a program that uses | 20:40 |
| dilomo | tabs aligned to the left or right? | 20:40 |
| thorwil | dilomo: ardour uses tabs on the right. but it uses a custom theme | 20:41 |
| dilomo | ok I'll mis them then (will remain the old style from 0.6.2) | 20:41 |
| thorwil | i guess vertical tabs automatically cause a technical impression such that any GTK app would have to fear to turn into a Qt/KDE one | 20:42 |
| dilomo | :D good argument | 20:42 |
| dilomo | How do you find the connection between menubar and toolbars on this picture: | 20:44 |
| dilomo | http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229460199.png | 20:44 |
| thorwil | connection between menubar and toolbars? | 20:45 |
| dilomo | hint: I have added small highlight above the dark line | 20:45 |
| dilomo | but I'm not sure if it's a good idea | 20:45 |
| thorwil | highlight above the dark line? | 20:46 |
| thorwil | maybe my eyes are tired :/ | 20:46 |
| dilomo | it is veeery subtle | 20:47 |
| dilomo | it represent AO from the light contents below | 20:47 |
| thorwil | dilomo: well, i can say that the title/menu bar now appears to be on the same level as the rest of the window | 20:47 |
| thorwil | dilomo: can you do something about the very narrow gap between the active chat tab and the menubar? it should be zero or larger, i'd say | 20:48 |
| dilomo | I can but it looks as dropped shadow from the menubar | 20:49 |
| dilomo | if I make it larger then the space for text will be small | 20:50 |
| dilomo | I think that tabs should not be use like they are in pidgin | 20:51 |
| dilomo | everywhere else there is a lot of space for them | 20:51 |
| thorwil | only briefly tried to use pidgin for irc. then went back to xchat | 20:52 |
| dilomo | I wil try it too | 20:53 |
| dilomo | thorwil: do you have any ideas what should be the material of the buttons in metacity | 20:54 |
| dilomo | I have two suggestions: | 20:54 |
| dilomo | - Glossy black plastic | 20:54 |
| dilomo | - Metal (like mac) | 20:54 |
| thorwil | dilomo: Acrylnitril-Butadien-Styrol | 20:55 |
| thorwil | ;) | 20:55 |
| dilomo | what is this :) | 20:56 |
| dilomo | a joke, I was pretty good at Chemistry at Highschool | 20:57 |
| thorwil | dilomo: ABS is a thermoplast often used for encasings | 20:57 |
| thorwil | actually i should say, Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene | 20:57 |
| thorwil | -styrol was the german version | 20:57 |
| thorwil | dilomo: it's quite shock-proof and can be colored easily | 20:58 |
| dilomo | :D | 20:59 |
| dilomo | We have a totally different name fo this in my country | 20:59 |
| thorwil | dilomo: i think you should consider the emotional side, the impression the buttons should give the user | 21:00 |
| dilomo | so my suggestion is smth like this ABS coloured inblack | 21:00 |
| dilomo | these buttons are the most difficult part of all | 21:01 |
| dilomo | in several major releases I can't find the proper shape and color | 21:01 |
| thorwil | dilomo: both glossy plastic and metal looks are a bit overused and not that great an idea if you imagine them as real | 21:01 |
| dilomo | so what do you suggest? Carbon | 21:03 |
| _MMA_ | NO! | 21:03 |
| _MMA_ | :) | 21:03 |
| thorwil | http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11058131/Egyptian_Hand_Made_Ceramic_Dinner_Set.jpg | 21:04 |
| dilomo | thorwil: wow | 21:04 |
| _MMA_ | Niiiiiiice colors there. | 21:05 |
| thorwil | http://www.conranusa.com/images/default/us/catalogue/large/22318.jpg | 21:06 |
| dilomo | red?! or porcelain | 21:07 |
| thorwil | dilomo: it's the surface, not the color i'm after | 21:07 |
| dilomo | ok I got it | 21:07 |
| thorwil | http://www.highpointpigeonsupplies.com/images/clay_iww9.jpg | 21:08 |
| _MMA_ | Man. I think that would be tricky. | 21:08 |
| dilomo | but this theme looks synthetic or made of some kind of mate plastic and on top of all | 21:08 |
| dilomo | ceramic buttons | 21:08 |
| thorwil | dilomo: of course, you should extend that to the title/menu bar, then | 21:08 |
| thorwil | http://www.naturalgems.de/images/edelstein_jade_oval.jpg | 21:09 |
| thorwil | http://www.hpwt.de/Mineralien/Jade.jpg | 21:09 |
| dilomo | the last ones is interesting | 21:09 |
| thorwil | dilomo: hmm, good point. i got carried away by my thoughts of what ubuntu should mean and what kind of materials and surfaces are warm, inviting, classy | 21:10 |
| dilomo | I was thinking of making the active buttons glassy and the inactive mate | 21:11 |
| dilomo | but wouldn't it be too much like vista? | 21:11 |
| thorwil | dilomo: if you want to stay synthetic, consider silicone, waxy rubber | 21:12 |
| * _MMA_ is gonna writs a Compiz plugin that gives every window a Web2.0 reflection. :P | 21:13 | |
| thorwil | dilomo: looking for "silicone" reference images is great fun :) | 21:13 |
| dilomo | I have a glassy progressbar so I can use glass | 21:14 |
| dilomo | yes the silicon is fun :) | 21:14 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: :) | 21:14 |
| thorwil | be mindful of the e at the end | 21:14 |
| thorwil | gotta run, cya! | 21:14 |
| _MMA_ | later | 21:14 |
| dilomo | bye | 21:15 |
| dilomo | http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/elements/silicon/silicon.jpg that's it | 21:15 |
| _MMA_ | That's interesting. | 21:16 |
| _MMA_ | I think the clay thing is spot-on for Ubuntu though. | 21:16 |
| dilomo | yes but would not match New Wave very much | 21:17 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah. I'm just talking generally. | 21:18 |
| dilomo | yeah for another theme it would be perfect match especially if there are more accents with ceramics | 21:19 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo: I like how you have the bottom frame go into the, what do we call that? "Resize handle"? | 21:23 |
| _MMA_ | I'd like to do that for the Studio theme. | 21:24 |
| dilomo | where exactly are you looking at | 21:24 |
| _MMA_ | Nautilus: http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229460199.png | 21:24 |
| dilomo | ahh you mean the Frame (shadow etched out) | 21:25 |
| _MMA_ | sure | 21:25 |
| dilomo | ok go ahead and do it | 21:25 |
| _MMA_ | It's just an idea. :) I either want a massive change to the look of Studio or wanna leave it as-is. | 21:26 |
| dilomo | I think you should go for big but slow change | 21:27 |
| _MMA_ | Naa... I like to jolt/shock people. :P But really atm it just comes down to time. | 21:28 |
| _MMA_ | I gotta find the time to do the changes or someone really dedicated to do it. | 21:29 |
| _MMA_ | They are really hard to find. | 21:29 |
| dilomo | thats true | 21:30 |
| dilomo | I would have done it but I have a lot of work and that will not change anytime soon | 21:31 |
| dilomo | I barely find time to work on new wave | 21:31 |
| _MMA_ | It's funny because Studio is wide open to anyone with vision and the will to follow through. Nobody seems to be able to take it on. I figured the freedom I would give would be appealing to *someone*. :) | 21:32 |
| dilomo | :) | 21:38 |
| dilomo | time will tell | 21:40 |
| dilomo | I have to run | 21:44 |
| dilomo | cya | 21:45 |
| _MMA_ | later | 21:45 |
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