=== _MMA_ is now known as MetalMusicAddict === MetalMusicAddict is now known as _MMA_ [14:40] <_MMA_> Nam. No posts to the ML in 5 days. [14:40] <_MMA_> *Man [16:56] http://the-space-station.com/2008/12/15/ubuntu-logo-similarity-contest [19:03] hello [19:03] check this [19:03] http://ebupof.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-website-84984292 [19:03] http://same-gfx.deviantart.com/art/screenflow-portfolio-81710478 [19:03] u'll love this [19:03] we need this for ubuntu [19:03] artwork [19:03] web site [19:04] my personal opinion is 2 times no. i don't love it and don't think "we" need it [19:04] what do ya think people [19:04] ? [19:07] why [19:07] i mean this is ubuntu artwork channel [19:07] are you art designers [19:07] ? [19:07] yes and people can disagree about things in here as well. [19:08] manzur: the heron is release specific ... don't even know why it's there, showing through only so slightly [19:08] manzur: my main issue is that it's all brown in brown. suffocating [19:08] thorwil: it does not have to be like this [19:08] but ubuntu web site [19:09] cuold be more intelligent [19:09] i mean [19:09] it is getting a redesign [19:09] what do we get nowadays [19:09] a simple web site [19:09] with pictures and links [19:09] simple is good [19:09] have you heard of the KISS ideology? [19:09] no [19:09] "keep it simple stupid" [19:09] keep it simple stupid.. [19:10] works for most occasions [19:10] if not all [19:10] but, excuse me [19:10] it looks like a web site design by a kid [19:10] this is what i mean [19:10] i mean ubuntu must have professional designers [19:10] if we like it... [19:11] manzur: i don't think the current ubuntu website design is good. but i think it's better than that mockup [19:12] thorwil: that's why i said it ddoes not have to be like so [19:12] i mean check this [19:12] https://usshop.ubuntu.com/category.php?catid=3 [19:12] ubuntu cd/dvd covers [19:12] they look terrible [19:12] for me [19:12] i mean [19:12] what do ya think [19:12] ? [19:12] manzur: note that there is at most a single person in this channel who might get to have something to do with the official web-design [19:13] thorwil: yes, and excuse me if i am rude [19:13] really [19:13] manzur: yes, terrible [19:13] i just have to say it [19:13] what for? [19:13] manzur: no worries [19:13] to be better [19:13] manzur: you are operating under some wrong assumptions [19:13] there are a lot of people out there [19:14] who are designres [19:14] * [19:14] and they see how pretty ubuntu looks [19:14] to use it [19:14] so we got to be the best as os [19:14] and design [19:15] i mean i like suse design [19:15] so not u [19:15] ? [19:15] it looks pro [19:15] and simple [19:15] "simple" [19:15] but good [19:15] and pro [19:15] manzur, not all of us are in a situation that we could do the webdesign and just get it uploaded to the main site [19:15] manzur: what are you trying to achieve here and who do you think you are talking to right now? [19:15] thorwil: both of u [19:16] knome: i know that [19:16] but [19:16] knome: in fact nobody here is, with only 1 person where i could see doubt [19:16] we should post an idea [19:16] in brainstorm [19:16] manzur, you're welcome. [19:16] can u help me? [19:16] are u agree [19:16] ? [19:16] do u agree [19:16] ? [19:16] * [19:18] manzur: canonical recently hired a strategical lead of design. so you can expect things to change and the web presence might be the first [19:19] thorwil: how do u know that [19:19] ? [19:19] where can i find that new [19:19] ? [19:19] right now trying to push for changes from outside of canonical is a waste of time [19:20] manzur: there was a job posting. and a blog post from mark shuttleworth. there is an video interview with the new guy [19:20] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcFCVHJFNTU&feature=channel_page [19:21] manzur: btw, doing research is an important, but often overlooked part of doing design ;) [19:29] excuse me i was at lunch [19:29] jajaja [19:31] thorwil: can u tell me what he says [19:31] ? [19:31] no [19:32] i mean i am not from usa, i am from colombia [19:32] i am not that good in english [20:12] <_MMA_> Because only the US has English as it's national language. :P [20:12] <_MMA_> luisbg: Ping [20:15] _MMA_: i though some people would be delighted if the US had English as national language? :) [20:16] <_MMA_> luisbg: Can you summarize Julian's video in Spanish for manzur? ¿por favor? (if you're around) [20:19] <_MMA_> thorwil: That was sarcasm if you didn't get it. :) [20:38] hi dilomo [20:38] hi :) how are you [20:38] alright and you? [20:39] Fine, I've been very busy these days with work [20:39] I just read your email on the list and I agree with you [20:39] how boring :) [20:40] :) I made the necessary changes to the tabs [20:40] btw do you know a program that uses [20:40] tabs aligned to the left or right? [20:41] dilomo: ardour uses tabs on the right. but it uses a custom theme [20:41] ok I'll mis them then (will remain the old style from 0.6.2) [20:42] i guess vertical tabs automatically cause a technical impression such that any GTK app would have to fear to turn into a Qt/KDE one [20:42] :D good argument [20:44] How do you find the connection between menubar and toolbars on this picture: [20:44] http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229460199.png [20:45] connection between menubar and toolbars? [20:45] hint: I have added small highlight above the dark line [20:45] but I'm not sure if it's a good idea [20:46] highlight above the dark line? [20:46] maybe my eyes are tired :/ [20:47] it is veeery subtle [20:47] it represent AO from the light contents below [20:47] dilomo: well, i can say that the title/menu bar now appears to be on the same level as the rest of the window [20:48] dilomo: can you do something about the very narrow gap between the active chat tab and the menubar? it should be zero or larger, i'd say [20:49] I can but it looks as dropped shadow from the menubar [20:50] if I make it larger then the space for text will be small [20:51] I think that tabs should not be use like they are in pidgin [20:51] everywhere else there is a lot of space for them [20:52] only briefly tried to use pidgin for irc. then went back to xchat [20:53] I wil try it too [20:54] thorwil: do you have any ideas what should be the material of the buttons in metacity [20:54] I have two suggestions: [20:54] - Glossy black plastic [20:54] - Metal (like mac) [20:55] dilomo: Acrylnitril-Butadien-Styrol [20:55] ;) [20:56] what is this :) [20:57] a joke, I was pretty good at Chemistry at Highschool [20:57] dilomo: ABS is a thermoplast often used for encasings [20:57] actually i should say, Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene [20:57] -styrol was the german version [20:58] dilomo: it's quite shock-proof and can be colored easily [20:59] :D [20:59] We have a totally different name fo this in my country [21:00] dilomo: i think you should consider the emotional side, the impression the buttons should give the user [21:00] so my suggestion is smth like this ABS coloured inblack [21:01] these buttons are the most difficult part of all [21:01] in several major releases I can't find the proper shape and color [21:01] dilomo: both glossy plastic and metal looks are a bit overused and not that great an idea if you imagine them as real [21:03] so what do you suggest? Carbon [21:03] <_MMA_> NO! [21:03] <_MMA_> :) [21:04] http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11058131/Egyptian_Hand_Made_Ceramic_Dinner_Set.jpg [21:04] thorwil: wow [21:05] <_MMA_> Niiiiiiice colors there. [21:06] http://www.conranusa.com/images/default/us/catalogue/large/22318.jpg [21:07] red?! or porcelain [21:07] dilomo: it's the surface, not the color i'm after [21:07] ok I got it [21:08] http://www.highpointpigeonsupplies.com/images/clay_iww9.jpg [21:08] <_MMA_> Man. I think that would be tricky. [21:08] but this theme looks synthetic or made of some kind of mate plastic and on top of all [21:08] ceramic buttons [21:08] dilomo: of course, you should extend that to the title/menu bar, then [21:09] http://www.naturalgems.de/images/edelstein_jade_oval.jpg [21:09] http://www.hpwt.de/Mineralien/Jade.jpg [21:09] the last ones is interesting [21:10] dilomo: hmm, good point. i got carried away by my thoughts of what ubuntu should mean and what kind of materials and surfaces are warm, inviting, classy [21:11] I was thinking of making the active buttons glassy and the inactive mate [21:11] but wouldn't it be too much like vista? [21:12] dilomo: if you want to stay synthetic, consider silicone, waxy rubber [21:13] * _MMA_ is gonna writs a Compiz plugin that gives every window a Web2.0 reflection. :P [21:13] dilomo: looking for "silicone" reference images is great fun :) [21:14] I have a glassy progressbar so I can use glass [21:14] yes the silicon is fun :) [21:14] _MMA_: :) [21:14] be mindful of the e at the end [21:14] gotta run, cya! [21:14] <_MMA_> later [21:15] bye [21:15] http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/elements/silicon/silicon.jpg that's it [21:16] <_MMA_> That's interesting. [21:16] <_MMA_> I think the clay thing is spot-on for Ubuntu though. [21:17] yes but would not match New Wave very much [21:18] <_MMA_> Yeah. I'm just talking generally. [21:19] yeah for another theme it would be perfect match especially if there are more accents with ceramics [21:23] <_MMA_> dilomo: I like how you have the bottom frame go into the, what do we call that? "Resize handle"? [21:24] <_MMA_> I'd like to do that for the Studio theme. [21:24] where exactly are you looking at [21:24] <_MMA_> Nautilus: http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229460199.png [21:25] ahh you mean the Frame (shadow etched out) [21:25] <_MMA_> sure [21:25] ok go ahead and do it [21:26] <_MMA_> It's just an idea. :) I either want a massive change to the look of Studio or wanna leave it as-is. [21:27] I think you should go for big but slow change [21:28] <_MMA_> Naa... I like to jolt/shock people. :P But really atm it just comes down to time. [21:29] <_MMA_> I gotta find the time to do the changes or someone really dedicated to do it. [21:29] <_MMA_> They are really hard to find. [21:30] thats true [21:31] I would have done it but I have a lot of work and that will not change anytime soon [21:31] I barely find time to work on new wave [21:32] <_MMA_> It's funny because Studio is wide open to anyone with vision and the will to follow through. Nobody seems to be able to take it on. I figured the freedom I would give would be appealing to *someone*. :) [21:38] :) [21:40] time will tell [21:44] I have to run [21:45] cya [21:45] <_MMA_> later