[00:01] <seaq> so when the move is to fix released, is when the bug was actually worked...
[00:02] <mok0> grrr, I have a simple problem that annoys me. How do I open up a series specific sub-bug? (see e.g. bug 201123)
[00:07] <bdmurray> mok0: so another task like the Hardy one?
[00:07] <mok0> bdmurray: yes
[00:07] <bdmurray> mok0: you want "Target to release" underneath the task table
[00:08] <mok0> bdmurray: Huh? I don't have that
[00:08] <seaq> Nominate to release
[00:08] <bdmurray> mok0: is nominate for release there?
[00:08] <mok0> bdmurray: yes
[00:09] <bdmurray> mok0: let's try that then
[00:09] <mok0> That just writes a line below the table
[00:09] <mok0> "Nominated for xxxxx by Morten etc"
[00:10] <LaserJock> mok0: right, somebody needs to then approve the nomination
[00:10] <mok0> LaserJock: ... and only then you get that series target?
[00:10] <LaserJock> mok0: yep
[00:11] <bdmurray> mok0: I'll approve it
[00:11] <mok0> bdmurray: I'm not working on that bug, it was just an illustration
[00:11] <bdmurray> ah, okay
[00:12] <mok0> So I nominate, and then approve it?
[00:12] <LaserJock> I think a core-dev needs to approve nominations
[00:13] <mok0> LaserJock: yeah, but probably not for universe?
[00:13] <LaserJock> mok0: I think for universe too
[00:13] <LaserJock> mok0: as gnome-subtitles is in Universe and you couldn't do it
[00:13] <mok0> LaserJock: Oh, I didn't want to fool around with that bug, so I didn't try
[00:14] <LaserJock> ah
[00:14] <Hobbsee> ah, nominations are fun.
[00:14] <bdmurray> mok0: you could try it on staging.launchpad.net
[00:14] <bdmurray> to test and see if you have the permissions
[00:14] <mok0> bdmurray: yes, I will go play with it there
[00:14] <LaserJock> it would be just lovely to have a list of bug permissions and who holds those permissions
[00:15] <mok0> LaserJock: hear!
[00:15] <Hobbsee> even the qa team can nominate for release, without approval.
[00:15] <Hobbsee> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RCBugTargetting#Untargeting%20bugs explains how to untarget
[00:16] <mok0> thanks Hobbsee, will take a look. The LP interface is not always transparent
[00:16] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: ubuntu-bugcontrl?
[00:16] <Hobbsee> hrm.  that's wrong.
[00:16] <Hobbsee> or at least, doesn't work for this bug.
[00:16] <Hobbsee> mok0: no, it isn't :(
[00:16] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i'd guess ubuntu-quality
[00:16] <Hobbsee> just for kicks, note https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/307269
[00:17] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: there is no ubuntu-quality team
[00:18] <Hobbsee> there was
[00:18] <Hobbsee> or is that the one that got renamed to -bugcontrol?
[00:18] <LaserJock> I think so
[00:18] <LaserJock> hard to remember
[00:19] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: but I thought you at *least* had to have upload permission to be able to approve nominations
[00:19] <Hobbsee> so did i, prior to last week
[00:19] <LaserJock> bah
[00:19] <Hobbsee> but -bugcontrol (at least) can definetly do it
[00:20] <bdmurray> I believe bugcontrol can set milestones and only uploaders can approve nominations.
[00:22] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: that's not correct.  note the above bug for proof :(
[00:24] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: I'm not seeing the proof there
[00:24] <Hobbsee> unless ~canonical-qa can
[00:24] <bdmurray> yes, it can
[00:25] <Hobbsee>  Declined  for Gutsy  by Steve Beattie   (approve)
[00:25] <Hobbsee> and he put in the lower three
[00:25] <bdmurray> and actually it's ubuntu-drivers that canonical-qa is a member of
[00:25] <Hobbsee> oh, well then....
[00:25] <Hobbsee> fair enough, then.
[00:26] <Hobbsee> so, people who work for canonical, but don't have upload powers, can still approve nominations.  mere mortals who don't have upload powers can't.
[00:26]  * Hobbsee wonders why ~canonical-qa is in ubuntu-drivers
[00:27] <bdmurray> To help out with managing nominations
[00:28] <LaserJock> but shouldn't that be done via normal means?
[00:28] <Hobbsee> so why don't -bugcontrol also get that?
[00:28] <Hobbsee> if equality is a thing to be strived for, and such
[00:29] <bdmurray> Because the 'Driver' in Ubuntu can do a lot more than just that
[00:30]  * Hobbsee wonders if 'drivers' has been quantified anywhere, or just means "important canonical people who have power over ubuntu in launchpad"
[00:31] <LaserJock> well, the team description on LP is "This team needs a rethink after a discussion about privilege levels in Launchpad"
[00:31] <LaserJock> I guess it's a landing place for being able to tweak LP for people who don't already have such privileges
[00:32] <LaserJock> notice that UDS-organizers are in there
[00:32] <LaserJock> so if I were organizing a UDS I could also nominate bugs :-)
[00:32] <bdmurray> The Driver role can also modify the distribution in Launchpad
[00:32] <LaserJock> s/nominate/approve nominations in/
[00:40] <Palintheus> can I get bug 154245 marked as wishlist?
[00:43] <Hobbsee> that probably should be marked as wontfix.
[00:43] <Hobbsee> it's not feasible to completely reroll cds and test them each time there's an update
[00:44] <Hobbsee> and there are point releases for the LTS releases, to help with that.
[00:44] <Hobbsee> Palintheus: ^
[00:44] <Palintheus> I think they are asking for a skip button, let me reread
[00:44] <Palintheus> yeah.. "There should be a "skip this step..." button there with the following text: You can update your system after reboot..."
[00:44] <Palintheus> unless I'm misunderstanding something
[00:45] <Hobbsee> oh, i stopped reading after the first paragraph
[00:45]  * charlie-tca thinks unplug the ethernet cable would work
[00:45]  * Hobbsee pokes it
[00:46] <Palintheus> charlie-tca: probably, but a hassle when there could be an option
[00:47] <charlie-tca> it is a WorkAround, though
[00:47]  * Palintheus nods
[01:18] <mok0> On staging, it seems I can nominate/approve packages in universe, but not in main.
[01:18] <mok0> In main, I can only nominate
[01:18] <mok0> In universe, it is immediately approved
[01:38] <LaserJock> went home and got two more invalidated bugs :(
[01:43] <crimsun> LaserJock: i can hand you my pile of bugs if you'd like.
[01:46] <Palintheus> would this one be marked invalid...I don't see how it differing from Windows is a problem, bug 305187
[01:48] <crimsun> Palintheus: imo, yes, but it'd be nice to have screenshots from within windows and ubuntu.
[01:48] <Palintheus> gotcha, so best bet is to ask for screenshots and mark it incomplete
[01:49] <hggdh> Palintheus, correct.
[01:50] <crimsun> i.e., similar look n' feel within reason can be expected, but fairly minor differences that could depend on dpi don't normally constitute bugs in applications.
[01:51] <Palintheus> ok so it's reasonable to ask them to take screenshots on a desktop with the same resolution, and settings within firefox?
[01:51] <crimsun> if you wish to go the extra mile, yes :)
[01:53] <MTecknology> What is 5 a Day?
[01:54] <bcurtiswx> hey, have any of you tried mumbles?
[01:55] <Palintheus> MTecknology: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day/
[01:58] <MTecknology> I moreso meant, what's the application it uses for?
[01:58] <MTecknology> just a way to track what bugs people are working on?
[01:58] <Palintheus> http://daniel.holba.ch/5-a-day-stats/
[01:58] <Palintheus> bragging rights :)
[01:59] <andresmujica> :)
[02:01] <MTecknology> I need to get back on triaging after finals
[02:02] <bcurtiswx> bug #277924 i've been waiting for some actions on
[02:02] <bcurtiswx> anyone mind taking a look
[02:06] <MTecknology> bcurtiswx: it looks plenty active...
[02:07] <charlie-tca> Still doesn't seem to have enough to tell a developer how to fix
[02:08] <charlie-tca> What impact does the missing map file have on the system?
[02:10] <MTecknology> bcurtiswx: ^
[02:10] <andresmujica> almost none....
[02:10] <andresmujica> http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsug-bangalore/2005-June/000384.html
[02:10] <andresmujica> at least not a critical one.
[02:12] <Ryan52> bdmurray, thanks :)
[02:12] <bcurtiswx> yeah no problems, but you'd think that shouldn't be there
[02:12] <bcurtiswx> maybe a low priority at least
[02:12] <bcurtiswx> and idk what devs would need in this case
[02:12] <andresmujica> http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux.setup/2005-07/0103.html
[02:12] <MTecknology> a package for one
[02:13] <MTecknology> and some hardware specs from everybody
[02:13] <andresmujica> i believe that file is created during depmod process.. maybe it's failing...
[02:13] <LaserJock> crimsun: no thanks you can keep your bugs. I guess I just need to get on top of mine :-)
[02:16] <andresmujica> hey, what happened to the incomplete -> invalid move requirements?
[06:54] <dholbach> good morning
[07:28] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad!
[07:32] <MTecknology> thekorn: hi
[07:32] <MTecknology> the bugsquad isn't that horribly special, is it?
[07:45] <hggdh> MTecknology, what do you mean?
[07:45] <MTecknology> hggdh: anybody can join it and I wonder how many people join it and just forget about it
[07:45] <hggdh> a lot...
[07:46] <hggdh> this expected
[07:46] <MTecknology> I applied for the bug control team and I feel I could contribute, onve finals are over - but I don't expect to make it in
[07:47] <hggdh> why not?
[07:47] <hggdh> I know you applied, but I (for one) did not have much available time lately to answer it
[07:47] <hggdh> perhaps *now* is a good time...
[07:48] <MTecknology> somewhere along the line a lot of the bugs I've worked on were lost. I think it happened when I changed my email
[07:48] <hggdh> it should not happen, only if you changed you handle
[07:48] <hggdh> on LP
[07:48] <MTecknology> I don't remember doing that
[07:49] <MTecknology> hggdh: so you're one of the guys that can approve it?
[07:49] <MTecknology> I'm excited for finals to be over so I can starthitting bugs agian
[07:50] <hggdh> yes. Any member of bug-control can chirp in on requests -- +1 or -1
[07:50] <MTecknology> oh
[07:50] <MTecknology> wanna look at my request and tell me what you think?
[07:51] <hggdh> as long as you tell me what email you used ;-)
[07:52] <MTecknology> michael - profarius - com
[07:52] <hggdh> got it... missed a c on tecknology
[07:53] <hggdh> k
[07:53] <hggdh> stacktrace.txt -- it is .txt cuz it is a text file. Could be .list as well
[07:53] <hggdh> coredumps are also usual repositories for private data
[07:54] <hggdh> huh
[07:54] <MTecknology> I've never encountered any to look into them
[07:54] <MTecknology> huh??
[07:54] <hggdh> MTecknology, you *must* give us a sample of the bugs you worked on
[07:54] <MTecknology> I did
[07:55] <MTecknology> I submitted a second app
[07:55] <hggdh> ah
[07:55] <hggdh> lemme go back to search
[07:55] <MTecknology> that's from when I was having troubles with not finding them from earlier
[07:56] <hggdh> k, got it
[08:05] <thekorn> hi MTecknology and hggdh
[08:06] <hggdh> cheers thekorn
[08:06] <thekorn> and dholbach_ ;)
[08:06] <hggdh> and dholbach_
[08:06] <hggdh> :-)
[08:06] <dholbach_> hi thekorn, hi hggdh
[08:06] <thekorn> hehe
[08:06] <MTecknology> thekorn: hi
[08:06] <hggdh> MTecknology, wow, the first two are a real novella
[08:07] <MTecknology> sorry
[08:07] <hggdh> bug 173652 mostly
[08:07] <hggdh> but I see you learned a lot there
[08:07] <MTecknology> oh, you mean the thing got really drawn out?
[08:07] <hggdh> yes
[08:07] <MTecknology> ya, that's still going on
[08:08] <MTecknology> but at least there's improvement
[08:08] <MTecknology> I need to revisit the motion eye one
[08:08] <hggdh> heh
[08:08] <hggdh> you *can change importance, can you not?
[08:08] <MTecknology> I noticed the site the code was on isn't around anymore
[08:08]  * hggdh does not remember anymore
[08:08] <MTecknology> nope
[08:09] <MTecknology> can't set triaged or importance
[08:09] <MTecknology> I love ubuntu surverys, I just with the back/next buttons were on the left side, closer the where you answer
[08:12] <MTecknology> hggdh: what do you think so far?
[08:13] <hggdh> just got through #1 -- not really a triager work when it started, but I can see you learning. So far so good
[08:14] <hggdh> #2 is bis repetita from #1. I guess you copied the wrong link
[08:14] <MTecknology> hrm...
[08:14] <MTecknology> what's the link?
[08:14] <MTecknology> or did I mention those two together?
[08:15] <hggdh> [#2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/173652
[08:15] <hggdh> >
[08:15] <MTecknology> bis repetita?
[08:16] <hggdh> the same thing
[08:16] <hggdh> again
[08:16] <hggdh> (that's the meaning)
[08:17] <MTecknology> oh
[08:17] <hggdh> good ol' Latin ;-)
[08:17] <MTecknology> :P
[08:17] <MTecknology> You mean your summary of it comes out to about the same?
[08:18] <hggdh> no I mean it is the exact same bug you talked about on #1-- the novella
[08:19] <MTecknology> oh
[08:19] <MTecknology> ...
[08:19] <MTecknology> lemme finish something up and I'll check
[08:20] <hggdh> OK. what do you want to do with bugs 301830 and 300997
[08:20] <hggdh> ?
[08:22] <MTecknology> I'd like to get the correct source to the modules and modify it so it offers a different theme
[08:23] <MTecknology> far as triage status, there's not much else it can be set to until somebody starts working, even then it's a low priority thing
[08:23] <hggdh> k. Is ubuntu-website the correct package?
[08:23] <MTecknology> no
[08:23] <MTecknology> I think it should be moin
[08:24] <MTecknology> since it's the ubuntu wiki
[08:24] <hggdh> hum. Moin is the "product" used, but not the implementation
[08:25] <MTecknology> Unless there's a package name for the wiki then, that should be right
[08:25] <MTecknology> right?
[08:25] <hggdh> I think so.
[08:26] <MTecknology> moin would be if there's a code base error that isn't specifically related to the ubuntu implimentation...
[08:27] <hggdh> not necessarily... since *we* do not have access to the source for the wiki, only the canonical folks would be able to correctly set it
[08:27] <MTecknology> I would like to get the code to it so I could at least work on changing it up some over christmas break
[08:28] <hggdh> but the wiki says this: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/contactus
[08:28] <MTecknology> The "Web Feedback" part?
[08:29] <hggdh> hah, got it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website
[08:30] <hggdh> and it's the right pakage indeed.
[08:30] <MTecknology> and a heads up for me to pop into the channel later
[08:32] <MTecknology> Little too late now
[08:33] <MTecknology> 02:30 now and I have a final exam at 08:00
[08:33] <hggdh> good, you were able to read between the lines ;-)
[08:33] <hggdh> go to bed, man. It is enough to have one insonniac
[08:33] <MTecknology> :P
[08:33] <MTecknology> I wanna know what you think first
[08:33]  * hggdh is the one, right now
[08:34] <MTecknology> I'm running through some questions now
[08:34] <hggdh> so far, so good
[08:35] <MTecknology> !jaunty
[08:37] <MTecknology> wow - winehq got a makeover
[08:40] <MTecknology> I'll nap when I get to the top of this list
[08:40] <hggdh> :-)
[08:40] <hggdh> go to bed. I am still looking at your bugs. I will email you & the list with my take
[08:41] <MTecknology> thanks :)
[08:41] <MTecknology> but still not listening
[08:45]  * MTecknology lolz to self at https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+question/54590
[08:45] <MTecknology> but all issues must be treated with coureousy (late night spelling)
[08:50] <hggdh> MTecknology, there is one thing important on your list -- you should show bugs opened by others, not you. By definition, we are tainted to discuss our own bugs
[08:50] <MTecknology> oh
[08:51] <MTecknology> I misunderstood that, sorry
[08:51] <MTecknology> probably just read it to fast
[08:51] <hggdh> no problem... but may I suggest you try again?
[08:52] <hggdh> the point is we are trying to measure your ability to triage, not your ability to open good bugs
[08:52] <MTecknology> I could later, I'll probably just try to find new ones to attend to
[08:52] <MTecknology> when I find time... :(
[08:53] <MTecknology> Usually when I look for trying to help other people with radnom issues I look to questions
[08:53] <hggdh> MTecknology, please do not get it as a personal thing
[08:53] <MTecknology> nope, not at all
[08:54] <MTecknology> Did you finish looking over them all?
[08:54] <hggdh> I am at the last one now. But a good chunk of them are your own bugs
[08:55] <hggdh> I can see (as I already said, er, wrote) you are learning, but -- they are your own bugs.... :-/
[08:56] <MTecknology> I had it in my head that's what was being requested, reading it again, idk why
[08:56] <hggdh> BTW, it was a good answer
[08:56] <MTecknology> Doe the one where I suggested a priority and it was changed count?
[08:56] <hggdh> perhaps it is not well explained
[08:56] <hggdh> it does count
[08:57] <hggdh> but we will still need other sample bugs to look at
[08:57] <MTecknology> ok
[08:58] <MTecknology> that's a -1 from you then?
[08:58] <MTecknology> if you decided based on that?
[08:58] <MTecknology> When I resubmit, shouls I include those bugs, or just do fresh?
[08:59] <hggdh> MTecknology, yes, it is a -1 on technicality
[09:00] <hggdh> you can include them -- as long they are not yours ;-)
[09:00] <hggdh> but please do try again. I am sorry about that... but we have to be fair
[09:02] <MTecknology> yup
[09:02] <MTecknology> I appreciate your review
[09:02] <MTecknology> It's like my Ubuntu Member application
[09:02] <MTecknology> I tried, failed
[09:03] <MTecknology> but now I know more about what I need to do to make the cut
[09:03] <hggdh> heh... well, look at me... I *never* tried to be a member, I am sure they will shoot me down
[09:03] <MTecknology> This is a good response? https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/54609
[09:03] <hggdh> OTH, I will need to get out of the closet and disclose my name also
[09:04]  * MTecknology <-- Michael Lustfield
[09:04] <MTecknology> bday: Jan 07, 1998
[09:04] <MTecknology> 1988*
[09:04] <MTecknology> 180lb; 5'10"
[09:05] <MTecknology> :P
[09:05]  * hggdh <- hggdh, a.k.a. haggadah
[09:05] <hggdh> bday: long ago
[09:06] <hggdh> 186lb, 5'1'', was 6' once
[09:06] <MTecknology> If I make into into the bug control team AND get my LoCo up and running good enough, I'll probably make member pretty easily
[09:06] <hggdh> 5'11''
[09:06] <MTecknology> but neither of those will probably be easy
[09:06] <MTecknology> especially the LoCo part
[09:07] <MTecknology> I have the infrastructure in place, but not the interest - this state is kinda... dry
[09:07] <hggdh> what state is this?
[09:07] <MTecknology> south dakota
[09:07] <hggdh> oh
[09:07] <MTecknology> sdloco.profarius.com
[09:07] <MTecknology> my site
[09:08] <hggdh> on the answer: I would also ask what version the reporter downloaded
[09:08] <MTecknology> I rewrote every single line and did 99.9% of that work from scratch
[09:08] <hggdh> good.
[09:08] <hggdh> this type of work does count a lot
[09:09] <MTecknology> really??
[09:09] <MTecknology> questions count??
[09:09] <hggdh> no, the loco
[09:09] <MTecknology> oh
[09:09] <MTecknology> not for the bug control team though
[09:09] <hggdh> questions help YOU learn -- even when you answer.
[09:09] <MTecknology> I was confused :P
[09:09] <hggdh> no, not for b-c
[09:10] <hggdh> but it is an extremely good training on triaging
[09:10] <MTecknology> lol... changing that question
[09:10] <MTecknology> little more appropriate :P
[09:11] <MTecknology> hggdh: From all of that, do you think I've put a decent amount of work into Ubuntu>
[09:11] <MTecknology> ?*
[09:11] <hggdh> yes
[09:11] <hggdh> no doubt
[09:11] <MTecknology> any chance you would say something about me on my wiki?
[09:11] <hggdh> you are trying, and you keep trying. And you are learning
[09:12] <hggdh> I can, but -- who am I here? a small volunteer, unknown almost everywhere.
[09:12] <MTecknology> so?
[09:12] <MTecknology> as long as what you say has value behind it, it should be just fine
[09:12] <hggdh> it would be good -- in terms of promoting the LOCO effort -- to get the big guns
[09:13] <MTecknology> what big guns?
[09:13] <hggdh> the known names with Ubuntu
[09:13] <MTecknology> In case you didn't and to search https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MTecknology
[09:14] <MTecknology> I've been communicating with a few people about getting things going
[09:14] <MTecknology> people like Flannel, pleia2, tyche, tonyyarusso, etc
[09:15] <MTecknology> 'tis late though
[09:15] <MTecknology> my fingers are blurring my words :P
[09:16] <hggdh> hah. So you have a server called kabalah
[09:16] <MTecknology> s/b/bb/
[09:16] <MTecknology> ya
[09:16] <MTecknology> wasn't my name, the server i named was vindico
[09:16] <hggdh> it sort of goes with haggadah... same language
[09:16] <hggdh> but that is a long story
[09:17] <MTecknology> too late for me to hear now :P
[09:17] <MTecknology> what time is it there?
[09:17] <hggdh> (although only theologically related)
[09:17] <hggdh> here -- NC -- 0315
[09:17] <hggdh> in a cold hotel room
[09:18] <MTecknology> same time
[09:18] <hggdh> oh, sorry, I forgot to change my TZ
[09:18] <hggdh> it is actually 0415
[09:18] <MTecknology> i gotta get up in 4hr though, it's my beddy by time :P
[09:18] <MTecknology> oh
[09:19] <hggdh> I guess I completely gave up sleeping tonight :-(
[09:19] <MTecknology> thanks for the review, I'll keep those things in mind when I start building up a new list from scratch.
[09:19] <MTecknology> :P
[09:19] <hggdh> thank you. We *do* appreciate your help
[09:20] <MTecknology> I'll appreciate my help too eventually ;)
[09:20] <hggdh> heh
[09:20] <MTecknology> When you do put something on my Wiki, just mention you're in the bug control team, that pretty much makes whatever you say worth something
[09:21] <hggdh> OK.
[09:21] <hggdh> Wilco
[09:22] <MTecknology> g'night
[09:22] <MTecknology> or mornin;
[09:22] <MTecknology> either way, I'm going to bug you again
[09:23] <hggdh> g'night/morning/whatever
[09:23] <hggdh> I will be here
[09:23] <MTecknology> could you send me a blank copy of the application?
[09:23] <hggdh> I will try to find it. I *know* where it is, but my brain is slightly fried right now
[09:23] <hggdh> and I will send it to you
[09:24] <MTecknology> alrighty, I'll save the copy this time...
[09:24] <MTecknology> thanks
[09:24] <MTecknology> g'night
[09:24]  * MTecknology signs off for the night.
[12:53] <imachine> tseliot, Hi
[12:54] <imachine> tseliot, would you mind helping sorting out a nasty nvidia bug with 8,10 ?
[12:54] <imachine> it seems you're the only person recommended about here for fixing this issue and nailing the bug properly
[12:59] <imachine> tseliot, dkms doen
[12:59] <imachine> doesn't build the driver properly.
[13:20] <tseliot> imachine: which driver?
[13:30] <afflux> are there any reasons why we would keep feisty bugs open?
[13:31] <afflux> or rather, any objections to me closing them? ;)
[13:31] <afflux> oh. nevermind.
[13:31] <afflux> I was too late :(
[14:22] <BUGabundo_work1> how do I run gnome-do with debug symblos from gdb?
[14:22] <BUGabundo_work1> I already install it, but cant start it
[14:22] <BUGabundo_work1> gdb gnome-do says: "/usr/bin/gnome-do not in executable format
[14:50] <imachine> tseliot, any driver :)
[14:50] <imachine> tseliot, there's errors with dkms.
[14:50] <imachine> namely, nvidia installer says it cannot determine kernel version.
[14:51] <imachine> tseliot, it's a supposedly known issue, I've found info on other forums (gentoo, arch).
[14:51] <imachine> it was fixed by setting the asm-i386 symlink in /lib/modules/yourkernel/build/
[14:51] <imachine> or build/include or smth
[14:53] <tseliot> imachine: I uploaded patches for that to Jaunty, just not for all the nvidia flavours. Are you using kernel 2.6.28?
[15:03] <bddebian> Boo
[15:07] <imachine> tseliot, nope
[15:07] <imachine> 2.6.27-9-generic
[15:09] <tseliot> imachine: can you file a bug report, please?
[15:10] <imachine> tseliot, well, sure.
[15:10] <imachine> but I'd ideally like to file a bug report, and provide a fix initially
[15:10] <imachine> my machine can't suspend now (nv driver hangs the box on resume)
[15:10] <imachine> and that's pretty useful, it's a laptop after all.
[15:10] <imachine> any clues to what might solve this ?
[15:11] <imachine> I'm willing to test some packages/patches if you're willing to provide them
[15:11] <imachine> it worked fine on 8.04, it blew up after upgrading to 8.10, I had issues with the new nvidia driver so I chose to downgrade to 173
[15:11] <imachine> and it wouldn't work ever since.
[15:11] <imachine> maybe I have too many packages. somewhere?
[15:11] <imachine> or too little?
[15:12] <tseliot> imachine: the suspend issue is another bug
[15:12] <imachine> tseliot, it worked fine on 8.04. is that something else?
[15:12] <imachine> is it kernel related or ?
[15:13] <tseliot> imachine: the suspend problem is in the binary part i.e. only nvidia can fix it.
[15:13] <imachine> tseliot, I have the suspend problem with 'nv' driver.
[15:14] <imachine> it worked fine with binary nvidia drivers :-)
[15:14] <tseliot> imachine: file a bug report against "nv" then (which is maintained by NVIDIA too)
[15:14] <imachine> well I don't care much for nv.
[15:14] <imachine> I don't even want nv.
[15:15] <imachine> I just want nvidia, but that doesn't work to build.
[15:15] <imachine> and that's why I have this issue.
[15:15] <imachine> which I turn to you with ;-)
[15:15] <imachine> do you have any idea how to fix it ?
[15:15] <imachine> http://pastebin.com/m6320267
[15:15] <imachine> this is what envy says
[15:15] <imachine> http://pastebin.com/m1fb153eb and heere's the make.log
[15:16] <imachine> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=328232#p328232 some more info here
[15:16] <tseliot> did you install the kernel headers for your current kernel?
[15:16] <imachine> aren't they there by default?
[15:16] <tseliot> imachine: no
[15:17] <imachine> they're there
[15:17] <imachine> I can remove them if you wish
[15:19] <imachine> I purged them all
[15:20] <imachine> ok, I removed everything nvidia-related with envy
[15:20] <imachine> now I choose to build again
[15:21] <imachine> wooo
[15:21] <imachine> it works.
[15:21] <imachine> tseliot, f.. a!
[15:21] <imachine> but only 177 works, 173 drivers are fail.
[15:21] <tseliot> imachine: sorry but I'm working on an urgent update and I can't help you right now. Please file a bug report and I'll help you later
[15:24] <imachine> tseliot, it's ok. It seems the 173 driver is broken.
[15:27] <imachine> Ill file a bug report about broken 173 on 8.10
[15:28] <imachine> how it fails to build, etc.
[15:28] <tseliot> imachine: thanks :-)
[15:28] <imachine> 177 is ok, but it's broken, I get window title artifacts with compiz :-)
[15:28] <imachine> that's why I wanted to downgrade ;)
[15:29] <tseliot> imachine: if you file separate bug reports I'll notify Nvidia about the problem
[15:30] <afflux> BUGabundo_work1: in case you haven't figured out yet: /usr/bin/gnome-do is a script. "gdb /usr/bin/cli --args /usr/lib/gnome-do/Do.exe"
[15:36] <imachine> tseliot, about nv and about nvidia 173? ok
[15:37] <tseliot> imachine: about each bug that you would like to be fixed ;)
[15:54] <MTecknology> hggdh: ping
[15:55] <MTecknology> or are you sleeping?
[15:55] <bcurtiswx> hey cool, nows the perfect time to hack into his comp and steal everything
[15:58] <elmargol> tseliot: do you have a minute?
[16:01] <tseliot> elmargol: it depends. I'm working on an important update
[16:02] <elmargol> tseliot: if you have time could you give https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-177/+bug/270617 a look... it is still open :( and i did not get any response from nvidia (email)
[16:05] <tseliot> elmargol: ok, I'll notify Nvidia
[16:05] <elmargol> tseliot: I allready did... I guess they ignore me
[16:07] <tseliot> elmargol: they won't ignore Canonical ;)
[16:33] <BUGabundo_work1> afflux: it says : "file fomart is ambiguos"
[16:35] <afflux> BUGabundo_work1: Arr, sorry. "gdb --args /usr/bin/cli /usr/lib/gnome-do/Do.exe"
[16:36] <BUGabundo_work1> afflux: /usr/bin/cli is not a core dump
[16:37] <afflux> BUGabundo_work1: err, this sounds weird. "gdb --args /usr/bin/cli /usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe" works for me. (I don't  have gnome-do installed)
[16:51] <hggdh> MTecknology, pong
[17:05] <MTecknology> hggdh: I was wondering if you could still do the wiki thing
[17:05] <MTecknology> bbiab
[17:06] <hggdh> MTecknology, yes, I can. When I get back from lunch
[17:18] <MTecknology> hggdh: thanks :)
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> when somebody has assigned a bug to a non-ubuntu project (but still hosted on Launchpad), but the bug is in an Ubuntu package and not actually in that project, is there any way of re-assigning it back to ubuntu (to reduce bug spam for that project)? or do i have to just add an ubuntu task and invalidate the other project task?
[17:49] <afflux> chrisccoulson: If I got you right, you can't. Can I see an example?
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> yep - bug 308551 - was assigned to the gnome-do project instead of the gnome-do ubuntu source package
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> it's a bug somewhere in mono, so i wanted to re-assign gnome-do -> mono, but i can't
[17:50] <afflux> chrisccoulson: yeah, right. That's not possible.
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> thanks afflux, i did suspect that
[19:22] <bdmurray> james_w`: bug 308716 describes what you wanted correct?
[19:52] <chrisccoulson> ping asac - i've seen a few bug reports where people are reporting NM reports "no valid connections found", when they have their connections statically defined in /etc/network/interfaces . that's the intended behaviour when there are no managed devices though isn't it? it seems to be causing some confusion
[20:28] <JugglerLKR> hi
[20:40] <Darkhost> http://imperiumreklamy.com/pages/ptp.php?refid=krzysztof9222<---- Look at this!! New ubuntu bug!
[22:28] <ansgar> Hi, I (co)maintain several packages in Debian and sometimes look after bugs filed for these packages in Ubuntu as well.  I wonder if I should change the bug status to "In Progress" if working on a patch in Debian?
[22:29] <bdmurray> ansgar: Is there a debian bug for the Ubuntu bug you are looking at?
[22:29] <ansgar> In this case, yes.
[22:30] <ansgar> Even with a patch though I don't know when I will upload the package (it's only a minor bug).
[22:30] <bdmurray> Its possible to link Ubuntu bug reports to Debian bugs and status of the Debian bug will be updated automatically.
[22:31] <ansgar> Ah, I did that already (that's a pretty nice feature I must admit :) )
[22:32] <bdmurray> Yeah, its pretty cool.  I think having the bug watch most accurately reflects what is going on.
[22:33] <ansgar> And what to do with bugs completely unreleated to a package, but where I don't know where the bug might come from?  (In this case #260559, might also be hardware problems)
[22:35] <bdmurray> That one sounds like a kernel issue, so the linux package.  Generally, you could tag them needs-reassignment.
[22:37] <LaserJock> bdmurray: do we have a "LP for Debian maintainers" doc somewhere?
[22:37] <bdmurray> Not that I know of
[22:37] <ansgar> Thanks for your help.
[22:41] <ansgar> Ah, one more question: If I want to change the importance field, it seems I have to be a member of UbuntuBugControl.  Should I just apply?  I'll probably look only after my own packages anyway.
[22:42] <bdmurray> ansgar: Looking after your own packages is fine.  Feel free to include some debian bugs in your application too.
[22:52] <krychek> hi, i think upgrading my network manager is causing me a new bug.. my wifi internet connection gets lost after a few minutes after boot. dmesg says: [  222.897908] ppdev0: registered pardevice    -       [  222.945402] ppdev0: unregistered pardevice  ..  etc
[22:52] <krychek> is this a known thing?
[22:53] <bdmurray> I'm not familiar with it.  Have you looked at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bugs ?
[22:55] <krychek> i will, thanks
[22:55] <krychek> i think network manager really needs a help button
[22:57] <krychek> and i have network manager applet finally after todays upgrade, its just not good for anything, everything is grayed out
[23:54] <azimout> can someone please take a look at this one?
[23:54] <azimout> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/185725
[23:58] <bdmurray> azimout: I believe there is a push to review whether or not it is needed during the Jaunty development cycle
[23:59] <azimout> so, what does this mean? should i create a blueprint, or do nothing, or what?