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=== ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Forum Council Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Dec 11:00: Community Council | 16 Dec 16:00: Server Team | 16 Dec 17:00: Kernel Team | 17 Dec 16:00: Foundation Team | 17 Dec 17:00: QA Team
lukjad007All right, I won't be able to stay. Sorry.00:50
crazyness003so we gonna get started01:09
crazyness003do we have a meeting in session or what. or are we waiting for everyone?01:12
SnowflakeI think we are still waiting. At least three admins aren't here, anyway.01:12
crazyness003ok01:14
crazyness003are we early or is everyone just late ;)01:21
SnowflakeMaybe it's just that my timezone estimates were off or something.01:43
talsemgeestNo, it was definitely supposed to start 45 minutes ago...01:44
Rocket2DMnmeeting never happened?01:45
talsemgeestStill hasn't started01:47
crazyness003SnowFlake: I thought so too, but thats not the case01:47
crazyness003Rocket2DMn: No, the lat one was earlier, it was a LoCo meeting, after that there was just silence. I waited all this time for nothing?01:48
Rocket2DMni honestly dont know, but its entirely possible01:50
talsemgeest"Forum Council meetings will be held on #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net (this is subject to change)."01:50
* Hobbsee suspects people are still confused with days01:51
stunatrait is still the 15th here, so maybe that's why.01:52
Rocket2DMnok well im pretty sure this isnt gonna go down tonight01:52
crazyness003yeah, but its already 0100 UTC, December 16, 200801:53
talsemgeestDo they usually have more than one meeting per month? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6260207#post626020701:54
crazyness003check this out http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event01:55
talsemgeestI guess it was just a really bad time for most people01:56
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crazyness003even the admins?01:57
talsemgeestStuff it, Im going to fix my grub01:58
crazyness003i think they're just waiting for us to leave, so when they start they got no opposition01:59
stunatraMaybe.01:59
crazyness003hey, aren't you sstusick?02:01
stunatraYep!02:01
crazyness003bump!02:01
stunatraLOL02:01
stunatraI was going to change my nick if the meeting got started02:01
stunatrahad a feeling it wouldn't02:01
stunatrabecause I'm here :P02:01
crazyness003i'v been waiting fo 4 hours02:01
stunatraI've been here for a few hours02:02
stunatrawell, idling02:02
stunatra3 hours almost exactly02:02
stunatrawow02:02
Snowflakelukjad007 unfortunately could not come. ;(02:02
stunatraHe was here02:02
stunatrabut then left02:02
SnowflakeI know.02:02
SnowflakeHe offered his proxy to me, that I could vote for him.02:03
Snowflake(I turned it down)02:03
stunatralol02:03
SnowflakeI am, however, supposed to send him the logs.02:03
SnowflakeThey'll be pretty boring. :)02:03
stunatraThat's for sure02:03
crazyness003if there even is logs of the meeting...if there even is a meeting.02:05
SnowflakeI'm pretty sure this channel is logged.02:05
stunatrawell I will idle here02:05
stunatranight and day :P02:06
SnowflakeRegardless, I log everything anyway.02:06
stunatrame too02:06
crazyness003me bump02:06
stunatrathe bump thread needs a bump :P02:06
SnowflakeAm I the only one here who *doesn't* care about the bump thread? :)02:07
crazyness003im too lazy to log in, plus im helping someoen with a presentation02:07
stunatraProbably!02:07
crazyness003if ye be a pirate, ye'll care 'nough!02:08
SnowflakeArr, I be one o' the best pyrates!02:09
stunatraYou're one of those crazy pirates eh02:09
stunatra:P02:09
crazyness003not here dude. (but i still disagree)02:09
SnowflakeHuh?02:09
Snowflake*confused again*02:09
crazyness003hey look, an eagle!02:10
Rocket2DMnlol how many people are here in support of the bump thread02:11
* stunatra is02:11
SnowflakeWe've made rather a mess of the meeting channel. :)02:12
stunatraa mess?02:12
crazyness003me is 202:13
SnowflakeI don't care, but just try and mess with me pyrate thread! :)02:14
stunatraI think there's more bump thread fans than pyrate fans :P02:14
Rocket2DMni cant believe there are over 30k bumps02:15
Rocket2DMnyou guys have way too much time on your hands02:15
stunatraI've got 5.4k of those bumps :X02:15
SnowflakeRocket2DMn: You started it! :)02:15
Rocket2DMnyes. yes i did.02:16
stunatraI think I started the bumping enthusiasm back in August02:16
stunatrawhatever I said, got everyone bumping more than ever before02:16
crazyness003i remember what you said too02:16
stunatra25k bumps in 4 months02:16
crazyness003it went somethign like this: bump02:16
stunatrasomething like that.. crazy lol02:16
Rocket2DMnits going to overtake the Word Association game soon02:17
stunatraYep02:17
stunatrathat's the goal02:18
SnowflakeYou guys are crazy. :)02:18
stunatraThis is true02:18
stunatrawon't argue with you there :P02:18
SnowflakeHmm, only 10,000 more bumps to go!02:18
Rocket2DMni only have 304 bumps02:18
SnowflakeEven that is too many, if you ask me.02:19
stunatraand you're the father of the bump thread02:19
stunatrapretty sad if you ask me :P02:19
Rocket2DMnwell ive been at it for a year and a half almost02:19
stunatraI started back in February I think02:19
crazyness003i thought the goal was to just keep it in the top02:20
Rocket2DMni have to thank bapoumba for supporting that thread, w/out her it very well might have been closed within a few days02:20
crazyness003oh an i finally made it to the K-1! huzzah!02:21
SnowflakeReally? Where?02:21
crazyness003what?02:21
Rocket2DMnso anybody here like to file bugs?02:22
stunatranope02:22
Rocket2DMnweak02:22
stunatraI file bugs and no one does anything02:22
stunatraso I gave up02:23
crazyness003i do. any chance i get02:23
Rocket2DMni wrote a beginners guide yesterday for it02:23
Rocket2DMnhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=101107802:23
Rocket2DMnlet me know if i missed anything important02:23
crazyness003oh, i just got my II 8.10 cd from ship-it02:23
stunatraI got mine a couple weeks ago02:24
stunatratoo bad, went back to 8.0402:24
crazyness003lame02:24
stunatralol02:25
Rocket2DMnim in 8.0402:25
Rocket2DMnno way im upgrading til i know restricted drivers will work02:25
stunatraI ain't upgrading for awhile02:26
crazyness003restricted drivers work for me02:26
stunatratired of stupid bugs02:26
crazyness003i have my lappy and desky on 8.1002:26
stunatrathings that work in one version should work in the next02:26
crazyness003"should" being the key word02:26
Rocket2DMnwell, its a kernel thing, ATI and Nvidia didnt update their drivers02:27
stunatraand pulse audio is nothing but a headache02:27
Rocket2DMnits better than it used to be02:27
Rocket2DMnyou shoulda seen the problems it had during intrepid development02:28
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SnowflakeWorksforme. :)02:32
crazyness003ok, anyone object to having the bumpthread continue its life02:44
Rocket2DMni think it's safe :)02:52
SnowflakeThe silence is unanimous!02:54
crazyness003so long live the Bump thread and its affiliates02:55
crazyness003going once02:55
crazyness003going twice03:02
crazyness003Three times! GONE!03:08
SnowflakeSOLD!03:08
crazyness003Ladies and gentelmens, the BUMP thread (and its associates) live on in peace and harmony (or until the next Forum Council Meeting >:(03:09
talsemgeestHoray!03:09
crazyness003so, anyone who has objections...you're VERY late. But please state your case03:18
crazyness003i guess thats it.03:27
Snowflake:)03:27
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dholbachhello everybody11:00
dholbachwho do we have here for the CC meeting? :)11:00
Technovikingmorning dholbach11:00
dholbachhiya Technoviking11:01
sabdflhello all11:02
dholbachBurgundavia is not online and elmo is travelling11:02
dholbachhi sabdfl11:02
dholbachI just pinged mako, mdke is at work11:02
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda is the agenda of today11:02
sabdflok11:03
sabdflFridge <-> Calendar11:04
sabdflerk11:04
sabdflCalendar <-> IRC11:04
dholbachI personally do not know what the status on the IRC<->Fridge bot is, but for the Corporate Blogs on p.u.c item I know that we're still waiting on a few votes on the document proposal of Corey11:04
dholbachboredandblogging: are you awak already?11:04
dholbachhey mako11:04
sabdflhey mako11:04
makogreetings11:04
sabdflhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda11:04
sabdfli know there was an email exchange with nigel pugh about script access to GCalender11:05
sabdflnigel seemed to feel that it should be easy to gain access to events in the way they need11:05
sabdflwhere Google takes care of the repeating and just feeds a list of "coming events"11:05
sabdfli see on the /talk page that the decision was made to move to Google Calender11:06
dholbachpython-gdata should be a nice option there11:06
sabdflbut i have no idea if there is any progress on IRC announcements11:06
dholbachI can send a mail to Nick to see what the status is (as it was discussed in the last CC meeting already) and maybe we just need to ask for help with the scripting in a blog post and set up a meeting for people who are interested in working this out11:08
elkbuntuI dont think there's been any progress on the IRC front. At least, none I've heard of.11:08
sabdfli asked nigel to look into whether such a thing is useful for Canonical too11:09
sabdflwe use google calender internally, and irc of course11:09
sabdflif so, we might work on one11:09
dholbachgreat11:09
makoit sounds like that would be nice outcome :)11:10
sabdflwell11:11
sabdflit sounds like a distant possibility on the time dimension ;-)11:11
sabdflshould we move on?11:11
dholbachyes11:11
dholbachregarding the coporate blogs item, we're lacking votes on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu/CorporateBlogs11:11
makobut barring that, something like a blogpost or some other way to raise visibility for the issue is really the best we can do11:11
dholbachmako: I'll take care of mailing Nick and discussing options with him11:12
sabdfl+1 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu/CorporateBlogs11:12
dholbach+1 from me too11:12
Technoviking+1 here11:13
makoi think i want to make one little edit to it11:14
makoit says we need to tagged to only export a subset but i think we should specificy what that subset is11:14
sabdflit's the subset that the company wants to put on planet ;-)11:14
dholbachand add a "or have a specific blog for just the Ubuntu-related corporate blog entries" but that's just me being pedantic :)11:16
dholbachI'm fine with it :)11:16
sabdfli.e. they should have a designated tag, and the subscription feed should be limited to things tagged like that11:16
makoalright. i think it's a little vague, but it should be a problem since it requires explicit persmission in any case11:18
sabdflwe could craft the language to say that "planet should only be subscribed to a subset of blog entries where a conscious decision is made to put the blog post on ubuntu planet. for example, tagging entries with a specific "ubuntuplanet" tag, and subscribing planet to a feed of blog posts with that tag, would be acceptable"11:18
mako+1 from me11:18
makosabdfl: yeah, i think that's better11:18
makobut it's fine11:18
sabdflany other votes still due on that page, dholbach?11:19
dholbachsabdfl: haven't heard back from elmo nor mdke, but I'd say we have quorum here11:20
dholbachand two weeks was enough to speak up if they seriously disagreed - also we can revisit the decision if it turns out to totally not work out11:20
sabdfli'll send mail to the CC to the effect that we discussed it here, tweaked the page, and +1'd it11:20
dholbachWDYT?11:20
sabdflagreed11:20
dholbachsabdfl: alright11:21
sabdflshould we +1 the oxford archeology request?11:21
sabdfli think it's quite reasonable, and it's what triggered the conversation (not the Canonical blog)11:22
dholbachsabdfl: I can mail Yann to ask him to add it to the bzr branch once you mailed the CC about it11:22
sabdflwill do11:22
dholbachrock on11:22
sabdflfor the record, +1 from me on Oxford Archeology11:22
dholbach+1 too11:23
makoabsolutely, it sounds like a reasonable request +111:23
sabdfldone11:23
Technoviking+1 for Oxford Archeology11:23
sabdflmore done11:23
sabdfldo we have any clarity on the request for participation in the Tunisian loco event?11:23
* dholbach doesn't know much about it11:24
dholbachjono mentioned something about it, but I can't quite remember and he's on vacation11:24
sabdfli think this really belongs with Jono - either we can fund a person to go, or we can't11:24
sabdfllet's pass that one on to jono explicitly and remove it from our agenda11:25
dholbacherrr11:25
dholbach Date11:25
dholbach11:25
dholbachDec 16 2008 à préciser11:25
dholbachwe might be a bit late anyway11:25
sabdflheh11:26
elkbuntujust a bit...11:26
sabdflnext!11:26
dholbachIRC Council11:26
sabdflirc11:26
sabdfli just voted11:26
sabdfl+1 on all three, based on wiki pages and endorsements11:26
dholbachwe should have all votes in11:26
sabdflresult?11:26
makoi believe i voted i favor of all three already11:26
dholbachdoorbell - brb11:26
sabdfli think it was a strong +1 across the board11:29
sabdflbut it was smeared out over long enough that I might have missed some controversy11:29
elkbuntuhrm. we may need a charter upgrade then, since we already have 3.11:31
sabdfl3 charters?11:32
dholbachsabdfl: you're right - strong +1 across the board, but I'm a bit unsure about how we're moving on now11:32
elkbuntuno, 3 members. 3+3 =6, our charter states 5 people for the council11:33
sabdflthey can be added to the irc council team in LP with immediate effect, i think11:33
elkbuntuhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil11:33
elkbuntu# Consist of five (5) members. Membership should be public and published.11:33
sabdflgood catch11:33
sabdfli don't mind amending it to "at least 5"?11:33
sabdflwe could have a run-off election, BUT then we should have had 4 candidates for 2 places11:34
dholbachme neither - having more members on board  might also help with getting meetings set up, etc.11:34
makoi'm happy to vote for the "at least 5" amendment now11:35
dholbachfor the run-off election we'd need to decide on the voting process11:35
sabdfl+1 from me then, too11:35
sabdflwe don't have a "members team" for IRC, do we11:35
sabdflwas there any output from the UDS conversation on that point?11:35
sabdfli think we should create that asap11:35
dholbachno, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Delegation is not really suitable for cases like this11:35
makoi really don't see any reason why 5 is magic. perhaps we should ask ask the current members on the council if they a problem with it, i suppose11:36
elkbuntusabdfl, we have a few members teams for irc actually. irc ops, and irc council.11:36
sabdflthere's a bit of a problem that the IRC council would appoint such members, who in turn would likely vote if we have IRC council member bakeoffs11:36
sabdflhow big is irc ops?11:36
elkbuntumako, i suspect it's a matter of 'pick a non-even number'11:36
elkbuntuor odd, if you so choose to be more succinct.11:37
yann2hola... sorry:(11:37
yann2did I miss the meeting then? :'(11:37
dholbachsabdfl: we could task the new IRC Council with looking into a process for setting that team up, etc.11:37
elkbuntunot entirely11:37
* yann2 from Oxford Archaeology - if the point can still be discussed :)11:37
sabdflyann2: we +1'd it11:37
sabdflyou're all set11:37
dholbachyann2: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/12/16/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt should be updated in a bit11:38
elkbuntusabdfl, sec, i'm trying to find it on LP, and my connection seems to be sucking badly11:38
yann2oh :) can I have an address to where to send the rss feed?11:38
sabdfljust subscribe planet to a feed that requires a specific tag on those blog posts you want on planet11:38
sabdflnot the whole blog11:38
dholbachyann2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu11:38
sabdflyann2: you need an ubuntu member who can modify the bzr branch that contains the feed11:38
sabdflhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu/CorporateBlogs11:38
sabdflyann2: ^11:39
yann2sabdfl > i read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu/CorporateBlogs ; it will be a  tag on our platform - we agree to this11:39
sabdfli've updated the /talk page for the CC agenda to reflect today's decisions11:39
yann2CC is also an option, I am an ubuntu member11:39
yann2I can take responsibility for the blog, agree with the 3 months period, non advertising nature of the posts, and I believe we will demonstrate our interest :)11:40
sabdfldholbach: i think we want to have an "irc contributors" team, that is bigger than ops, and which is part of ubuntumembers11:40
sabdflthereby delegating some membership granting privileges to the irc council11:40
sabdflyann2: you already have!11:40
yann2just for the final bits, how do I get the feed aggregated?11:40
sabdfldholbach: could you mail the IRC council, tell them of the new appointments and the "at least 5" amendment11:40
sabdflyann2: take that up separately, you just amend a file in a bzr branch11:41
dholbachsabdfl: I agree - what do you think about deciding on the new irc council members now and let them figure out a good process for that team, set up documentation etc and talk about it in one of the next CC meetings?11:41
dholbachsabdfl: sure11:41
sabdfldholbach: sure11:41
dholbachhehe11:41
sabdflcollision and meld!11:41
sabdflare we wrapped?11:41
elkbuntuhttps://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc is the 'all the ops' team. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-council is the council team. ... seems i forgot to count myself when i said 3 too :P11:41
yann2sabdfl > any link to this? (sorry for all the off topic :( )11:42
sabdflyann2: OT11:42
sabdflTechnoviking: happy?11:42
sabdflmako: aob?11:42
makonot from me11:42
Technovikingsabdfl: looks good here11:43
* dholbach will update the Team Report too11:43
sabdflwrapped11:43
sabdflthanks all11:43
sabdflcheers!11:44
Technovikingthanks11:44
dholbachthanks11:44
* sabdfl needs a quick shower before lunch :-)11:44
sabdflmako: thanks for hopping on despite timezones11:44
sabdflgood to see you again!11:44
dholbachthe CC should probably own ~ubuntu-irc-council11:44
dholbachI'll put that into the mail as well11:44
makono problem!11:45
sabdfldholbach: fixed :-)11:45
dholbachhehe11:46
makogreat. i think i'm going to go back to sleep :)11:47
dholbachmako: sleep tight11:47
makosee y'all! :)11:47
[NikO]hi there12:43
[NikO]anyone one now when https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA is the next meeting ?12:44
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sabdflhello all15:06
sabdflKeybuk: i think we're alone now...15:08
Keybuk?15:08
sabdflthere doesn't seem to be anyone around15:09
Keybukshould there be?15:09
sabdflisn't it a tech board meeting now?15:09
Keybukit's next week on my calendar15:09
Keybukthough that might be mdz moving it15:10
sabdflok, i'll get mdz to sort it out with clan15:10
sabdflsorry15:10
ogradidnt you have a CC today ? :)15:10
sabdflfor the Belinda Carlisle moment15:10
* jussi01 waves to sabdfl before he dispappears15:10
ograshould be a good indicator ;)15:10
Keybukhmm, you know, I think mdz has moved it to next week15:11
Keybukmdz: ?15:11
sabdflhe's on leave today15:16
jussi01sabdfl: can you tell me the actual outcome RE: IRC council today? we were all elected?15:19
jussi01s/tell/confirm/15:22
sabdfljussi01: yes, that's correct, and we amended the IRC Council charter to say "at least 5" members should be on the council15:23
sabdfldholbach will email the council15:23
jussi01ok. excellent. Thanks very much15:23
dholbachsabdfl, jussi01: I did mail the council15:24
jussi01excellent. I guess none of them have been available to communicate the news to us15:24
dholbachjussi01: to be fair - I mailed them like 2-3 hours ago15:24
jussi01dholbach: true :)15:25
jussi01sabdfl: dholbach thanks! :)15:28
dholbachde rien15:28
stgraberdholbach: heard too much french last week ?15:29
dholbachstgraber: no - I can't remember the last time when I thought "this was too much French" :)15:30
jussi01sabdfl: although I see a small issue with a 6 member council in that what do we do if there is a deadlock?15:30
* jussi01 is annoyed he fell asleep and missed the meeting - stupid meds15:30
sabdfljussi01: do you have a chairman?15:41
jussi01sabdfl: not that I am aware of, although someone may correct me on this,  given its my first day.15:42
jussi01And you do have an excellent point ;)15:44
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ubottuCurrent time in Europe/Paris: December 16 2008, 16:52:43 - Current meeting: Server Team15:51
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zulhey people16:00
sommeryo16:00
zullets get this thing started16:00
zul#startmeeting16:00
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zulwelcome to the server team meeting i hope everyone's liver has recovered from uds16:00
Koono/16:00
sommer:)16:01
zulthe agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting16:01
nijabamy liver has not suffered as much as my internal clock ;)16:01
zul[TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting16:01
MootBotNew Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting16:01
zuloh if anyone is wondering why I am chairing the meeting today is because mathias is on holiday and I was asked to do it16:02
zulso I guess we will start off with mysql 5.116:02
zulmysql is still broken in jaunty so no progress has been made on this point16:02
zulhowever I do have a list of packages that need to be transitioned to the new version of mysql if we decide to do it16:03
zulnijaba: any action on the kvm help splitting into mutliple sub pages?16:03
nijabazul: its a following topic16:04
zulok16:04
nijabazul: I have made a proposal on the roadmap16:04
zulok we will discuss it next then :)16:04
nijabazul: I was hoping to get approval to procede today16:04
zulkirkland: did you create a wiki page for encrypted home directories?16:04
kirklandzul: not yet16:05
kirklandzul: i'm really behind, at the moment16:05
zulkirkland: okey dokie16:05
kirklandzul is the meeting chair!  \o/16:05
zuland lasty on the agenda from the previous meeting did anyone find dendrobates at UDS to get a beer?16:05
kirklandzul: yessir16:06
zulkirkland: lucky ;)16:06
sommerI did and it was tasty16:06
nealmcbI tried...16:06
zulheh ok lets move on16:06
Koonheh, nobody found *me*16:06
zulyes but we heard you16:07
KoonI heard me too :/16:07
* kirkland put a beer on Koon's bill16:07
zul[TOPIC] Screen Profiles16:07
MootBotNew Topic:  Screen Profiles16:07
zulso kirkland care to explain what Screen Profiles is about?16:07
kirklandi'd like to point people to http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2008/12/ubuntu-server-includes-window-manager.html for screen shots and a lenghty explanation16:07
kirklandthis came from a couple of conversations between myself and nijaba, and Daviey, kees, jdstrand, slangasek, and others16:08
kirklandwhile the Ubuntu server doesn't include a graphical desktop, it does include a WINDOW MANAGER .....16:08
kirklandwhich is, of course, screen16:09
kirklandscreen is capable of a lot more advanced features than those that it comes with turned on out of the box16:09
nealmcb:)16:09
kirkland(that was a very poor sentence ...)16:09
kirklandanyway, consider what the desktop team does to Gnome to get it usable16:09
kirklandsome branding, theming, color tweaks, plugins on the task bars, accessibility keystrokes, etc.16:10
kirklandi'm suggesting we do something of the same to screen16:10
kirklandall of which is configurable through screenrc profiles16:10
kirklandi suggest we ship some well-formed profiles16:10
kirklandperhaps choose one safe one as a sane default16:10
* nijaba just loves it16:10
kirklandand a utility for selecting, and/or building a profile from the ones we provide16:11
kirklandi currently have implemented at least a beta16:11
zulsounds neat16:11
kirklandit's in my ppa16:11
kirklandscreenshots on the blog16:11
kirklandpackage in REVU16:11
kirklandhopefully it'll make Universe this week16:11
nijabakirkland: did you update your ppa with our latests changes?16:11
kirklandnijaba: yes, i did16:11
nijaba\o/16:11
kirklandnijaba: i have a few questions about your keybindings16:11
kirklandnijaba: but i did upload support for the .screenrc-profile bits16:12
kirklandnijaba: allowing for local customizations16:12
nijabayou mean the ones I came up with EARLY this morning?16:12
kirklandnijaba: yeah ... ctrl-del seems like a counterintuitive way to "create" a new tab, for example16:12
nijabaI agree that ctrl-del is not perfect for creating windows16:12
nijabaI just hope that someone will come up with somthing better :)16:13
kirklandnijaba: furthermore, i was thinking of a framework for keybindings16:13
zulyou can do it the nt way and do ctrl-alt-delete to login ;)16:13
kirklandnijaba: similar to the framework we're using for the profile itself16:13
kirklandnijaba: i think we should separate the configuration of key-shortcuts and screen layout16:13
nijabakirkland: ahah, interesting16:13
kirklandnijaba: and allow for mixing and matching16:13
kirklandnijaba: -> that, too, was a 1am hair brained idea ... haven't thought it through entirely16:13
zulkirkland: is it getting any closer to getting in universe for winder testing?16:14
kirklandzul: nxvl reviewed the package, had only one suggestion16:14
kirklandzul: i fixed that suggestion, so i think it should be ready for upload later today16:14
kirklandzul: and i'll tackle an archive admin ASAP16:14
zulok so16:14
* nealmcb updates https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI to point to Dustin's server window manager page16:14
nijabakirkland: as you know, a share of my community time will be dedicated to it16:14
kirklandzul: there's a project in LP, where people can file bugs/feature requests16:14
nijabanealmcb: it might be a bit too soon yet16:15
zulACTION: kirkland to upload screen profiles to universe16:15
kirklandzul: there's one more thing16:15
nijabanealmcb: it's a functional prototype open for comment at the moment16:15
kirklandzul: nijaba has an interesting idea, to take this to the next level ....16:15
zuloh? what would that be?16:15
kirklandzul: assuming we "prove" this technology is useful/popular, we could have users enter a screen session when they login, by default16:16
kirklandzul: until that time, i think i'm going to add another binary utility to screen-profiles that allows the user to turn this on/off with a command16:16
nijabakirkland: you mean what I put in my blod post?16:16
zulthat might be a bit difficult to get use to16:16
nijabablog too16:16
kirklandnijaba: right16:16
kirklandnijaba: i think a utility, or a flag to select-screen-profile would be nice16:17
nijabahttp://nicolas.barcet.com/drupal/screen-by-default16:17
MootBotLINK received:  http://nicolas.barcet.com/drupal/screen-by-default16:17
kirklandnijaba: to add the lines to bashrc, or remove them16:17
kirklandnijaba: we'll want to make that a one-liner, so it can be added/pruned easily16:17
kirklandnijaba: which means another helper script16:17
nijabakirkland: yep, that would be nice16:17
nealmcbnijaba: sure, but that is a pretty casual wiki page that needed at least a mention of screen.  The link to the blog will give a taste of things to come16:17
nijabakirkland: could'nt it be part of the same script?16:17
kirklandnealmcb: that's fine by me, but this is very much in flux, fast moving at this point, so please just make sure you keep it up-to-date16:18
kirklandnijaba: you mean select-screen-profile?16:18
zulalrighty then16:18
nijabakirkland: yep16:18
kirklandnijaba: yeah, it could be another question at the bottom16:18
kirklandzul: so one more thing16:18
kirklandzul: a request for the community ....16:18
kirklandzul: if you have fun, interesting, useful screen "hacks", please share them!16:19
zulsounds good to me16:19
zul[ACTION] kirkland to upload screen profiles to universe16:20
MootBotACTION received:  kirkland to upload screen profiles to universe16:20
zul[ACTION] nealmcb to update wiki page to keep it current16:20
MootBotACTION received:  nealmcb to update wiki page to keep it current16:20
nealmcb:)16:20
zul[ACTION] kirkland to send an email to ubuntu-server asking for interesting screenhacks16:20
MootBotACTION received:  kirkland to send an email to ubuntu-server asking for interesting screenhacks16:20
zulkirkland: there is also some dot profile sites that have user contributed .screenrcs as well16:21
* nijaba thinks zul is having a lot of fun with his new bot :)16:21
* sommer was about to mention dotfiles.org16:21
zulsommer: thats the site :)16:21
zulalrighty then16:22
zul[TOPIC] review KVM page refactoring16:22
MootBotNew Topic:  review KVM page refactoring16:22
zulnijaba as you were saying16:22
nijabasoren, has anyone got a chance to review my refactoring proposal on the roadmap?16:22
nijabaerr/soren/so16:22
nijabahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap#Refactor%20KVM%20wiki%20page16:23
nijabashould I go ahead and reorganize accordingly?16:24
zuli havent gone through it16:24
zulsommer: ^^^16:25
sommerlooks good to me16:25
zulsoren: ^^^16:25
zulso im assuming that everything is good on the documentation end then16:26
zulgoing once16:26
zulgoing twice16:27
zulgoing thrice16:27
nijabaok, expect the refactoring to occur in the next couple weeks then ;)16:27
zul[ACTION] nijaba to refactor the KVM documentation16:27
MootBotACTION received:  nijaba to refactor the KVM documentation16:27
zulso next16:27
zul[TOPIC] Open Discussion16:28
MootBotNew Topic:  Open Discussion16:28
zulanyone have anything they want to talk about16:28
zulwhat did people think of UDS?16:28
ograthe weather ? :)16:28
nijabaI just have a pre-announce to make16:28
Koon...16:29
nijabadendrobates will be sending an official announce of the ubuntu on ec2 beta later today \o/16:29
zulyay16:29
Koon~o~16:29
sommervery cool16:29
nijabawatch your favorite ml...16:30
zulso ok then Im assuming people liver's are still recovering16:31
nijabathanks to zul, soren, erichammond and many others putting this together16:31
zulhey no problem16:31
zul[TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time16:31
MootBotNew Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time16:31
nealmcbebox16:31
zuloh im sorry16:32
nealmcblet me get the link16:32
nealmcbhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ebox/+bug/25536816:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 255368 in ebox "ebox: Depends: libapache-authcookie-perl but it is not installable " [Undecided,Confirmed]16:32
zulyeah we discussed this at uds didnt we?16:32
nealmcbright - so just a question of how to get it working16:33
nealmcbmore of the details are at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ebox/+bug/27348616:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 273486 in ebox "Current eBox packages in intrepid don't work at all (dup-of: 255368)" [Undecided,New]16:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 255368 in ebox "ebox: Depends: libapache-authcookie-perl but it is not installable " [Undecided,Confirmed]16:33
sommerthe ebox ppa?16:33
nealmcbthe ppa has the whole new package, so wouldn't likely survive an sru review16:34
zulit wont16:34
nealmcbI'm guessing that pulling in the changes for the two issues noted in the 2nd bug would be the best approach16:34
zulnealmcb: id suggest looking at the debian control file and see what it needs now16:35
nealmcband I put a comment at the bottom of the 1st bug noting the uds discussion16:35
zuli might get a chance to look at it this afternoon16:35
zulor if anyone from the community would like to look at it16:36
nealmcbjavier noted that the new package has an alternative for the libapache-authcookie-perl  package16:36
nealmcband for the changes to ldap16:36
nealmcbas well as several new packages I think16:37
zulwell the only way to test this would be run it in a vm and see what goes on16:37
nealmcbwhich would not be appropriate16:37
nealmcbright16:37
zulthe new packages would not get in anyways16:37
* nealmcb nods16:37
zulso the question is does anyone volunteer to look at these ebox bugs?16:38
sommersure16:38
nealmcbso I guess the plan would be getting it working with those minimal patches in jaunty, then an sru, then a more complete merge of the new stuff from the ppa into jaunty?16:38
zulnealmcb: that sounds like a plan16:39
zulsommer: cool if you need sponsorship let me know and Ill be glad to help16:39
zul[ACTION] sommer to look at fixing ebox for intrepid16:39
MootBotACTION received:  sommer to look at fixing ebox for intrepid16:39
zulanyone else?16:39
* nealmcb cheers for sommer16:39
sommercool, I imagine I'll get stuck somewhere16:40
zulsommer: yep just ask16:40
nealmcbI would think foolano would be very helpful16:40
sommernealmcb: yeppers16:41
zul[TOPIC] Agree on a next meeting date and time16:41
MootBotNew Topic:  Agree on a next meeting date and time16:41
zulsame bat time same bat channel?16:41
* sommer +116:41
nijaba+116:42
* nealmcb nods16:42
KoonI suspect I might be missing that one.16:42
zulKoon: you are excused ;)16:42
zulthanks everyone16:42
* nijaba may miss it as well, thinking about it...16:42
thomasgillingHello16:42
nijabathanks for chairing zul16:42
zul#endmeeting16:42
MootBotMeeting finished at 10:42.16:42
* Daviey walks in late, stumbles across some chairs, sits down quietly and realises he is late and missed the meeting.16:43
thomasgillingI am wondering if I could get my acount unblcoked?16:43
sommerthanks zul16:43
thomasgillingIs that possible?16:43
nijabathomasgilling: what account are you talking about?16:43
nealmcbthomasgilling: have you asked in #ubuntu-ops?16:44
nijabaDaviey: we missed you!16:44
thomasgillingfinalmacpro16:44
nijabathomasgilling: on launchpad?16:45
thomasgillingno on ubuntu forums16:45
nealmcbthomasgilling: you need to talk to the forums folks16:45
thomasgillingHow16:45
thomasgillingI tryed they said go to a meeting16:45
thomasgillingor something like that16:45
nealmcbI suggest starting with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumsGovernance16:46
nealmcbthomasgilling: and see the meeting information at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncil16:48
thomasgillingI have seen that16:48
thomasgillingit even siad to go to this IRC16:49
nealmcblooks like the last meeting was earlier today.  we have lots of different meetings in this channel.  we just finished the server team meeting16:49
thomasgillingwhen is the forum meeting's?16:50
nealmcbthat page says 1:00 UTC, which was a few hours ago16:50
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thomasgillingok16:51
=== ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Kernel Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 17 Dec 16:00: Foundation Team | 17 Dec 17:00: QA Team | 18 Dec 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 18 Dec 14:00: Ubuntu Java
pgranerIts about time for the Kernel Team Weekly Meeting17:01
* smb_tp is there17:01
* cking is here17:01
pgraner#startmeeting17:01
MootBotMeeting started at 11:01. The chair is pgraner.17:01
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]17:01
pgraner[TOPIC] UDS Wrap-up17:02
MootBotNew Topic:  UDS Wrap-up17:02
pgranerI think UDS was good this year and we have lots of things for Jaunty17:02
* apw is here17:02
* sconklin is here17:03
pgranerImproved Suspend/Resume, faster boot and other nice things17:03
pgranerI'll be updating the roadmap and the individual specs this week17:04
pgranerDo anyone have anything to add?17:04
rtgthere sure seems like there is a lot of work to do.17:04
apwdo we need to do anything with cking to ensure he is up to speed17:04
pgranerapw: once the roadmap and specs are up to date we can start there17:05
rtglike meet for a day at Millbank?17:05
apw:)17:05
ckingyeah17:05
pgranerI've started the specs and started updating the calendar17:05
apwwhen might we expect to see the list of actions?17:06
pgraner[LINK] http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=50d02kfdekgcjdcpc970hh83f0%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York17:06
MootBotLINK received:  http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=50d02kfdekgcjdcpc970hh83f0%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York17:06
pgranerhopefully tomorrow, if I can get off of conference calls :-)17:07
apwcool, %s/apw/cking/ *innocent wistle*17:08
pgraner[TOPIC] Jaunty17:08
MootBotNew Topic:  Jaunty17:08
pgranerHow are we looking for Alpha2 on Thurs?17:08
pgranerrtg: ^^^^^^^^^^^?17:08
rtgonly have linux-meta left to upload.17:09
rtgI'll get that done as soon as I check on LRM status17:09
pgranerrtg: did we update the config based off the discussion at UDS?17:09
apwrtg we may have to update the linux-libc-dev as per the patch on our list to fix the libdrm-dev collision17:09
rtgits in the git repo. but won't make the A2 upload17:09
apwi don't know if that needs to hit before -alpha217:09
rtgapw: I'll look at it later today17:10
smb_tpI got some question for Amit about the current state of lpia kernels.17:10
rtgsmb_tp: he's in transit to India17:10
pgranersmb_tp: get with sconklin, he is prob best to know17:11
smb_tppgraner, Ok. Thought that was a week later17:11
sconklinsmb_tp: I'll do the best I can.17:11
sconklinand I know who else to ask17:11
smb_tpsconklin, Ok, I guess we can sort it out. :)17:12
pgranerok let move on then17:12
pgraner[TOPIC] Intrepid, Hardy and Older17:12
MootBotNew Topic:  Intrepid, Hardy and Older17:12
pgranersmb_tp: how we looking? Whats in the pipe?17:12
smb_tpI am still needing to bug archive admins about the hardy-proposed17:13
smb_tpOtherwise there is nothing for older17:13
pgranersmb_tp: ok, sounds good17:13
smb_tpIntrepid, I believe rtg had the last bigger -stable upload done17:14
pgraner[TOPIC] Meeting Schedule for the Holidays17:14
MootBotNew Topic:  Meeting Schedule for the Holidays17:14
rtgI'm close to uploading Intrepid which contains all stable updates through 2.6.27.917:14
pgranerrtg: cool, when will you be handing off to smb_tp ?17:14
rtgright afterwards.17:14
smb_tpWe planned to .... yeah...17:14
pgranerrtg: great17:14
pgranerCanonical is off for the Holidays over the next two scheduled meetings. So I propose we resume on 6 Jan 2009.17:15
pgranerAny objections?17:15
ckingSounds good17:15
rtgwfm17:16
apwok with me17:16
pgranerOk, I'll update the online schedule and cals/wiki17:16
smb_tpok for me. Rest of that day is a holiday in my parts of germany but i'll tune in17:16
pgraner[MISC Topics]17:16
pgraner[TOPIC] Misc Topics17:17
MootBotNew Topic:  Misc Topics17:17
* pgraner is still jet lagged17:17
pgranerHow is kernel mode setting looking for .28?17:18
* apw isn't aware if its in or not17:18
rtgno info.17:18
rtgI don't remember seeing it as one of the config options.17:18
pgranercan someone take a looking into it and let me know. I need to let the Desktop guys know, they are asking and we missed each other at UDS.17:19
apwthere looks to be some stuff in the kernel for it, all preparitory nothing obvious as the change to date17:19
rtgI think .29 was the target for full KMS17:19
pgranerok, if someone could follow up with an email after poking around.17:20
apwrtg you or i can do it17:20
pgranerapw: you guys can sort it out17:21
rtgapw: then I pick you :)17:21
* apw figures17:21
* rtg is lazy17:21
apwon my list17:21
pgranerAnyone else have anything, or other topics?17:21
* cking thinks rtg is missing a learning opportunity17:21
* rtg is suffering from LRM build-itis17:21
* pgraner thought it was Alzheimers17:22
apwlol17:22
* rtg wonders why he gets so much grief for simply having survived longer then anyone else?17:22
apwtake it as a compliment :)17:23
apwpgraner, you may ACTION me on that mode setting thing17:23
pgraner[ACTION] apw to email pgraner about upstream status of kernel mode setting17:24
MootBotACTION received:  apw to email pgraner about upstream status of kernel mode setting17:24
pgranerif now one else has anything then I think we can call this one quits17:24
apwnothing here17:25
rtgeverybody get back to work.17:25
smb_tpnope17:25
apw*crack*17:25
pgranerOk... later then17:25
pgraner#endmeeting17:25
MootBotMeeting finished at 11:25.17:25
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lukjad007Is there a meeting going on tonight?22:44
[NikO]hi22:44
[NikO]i can't find the date of next Europe council22:45
nhandlerlukjad007: No meeting tonight. There is a Foundation Team meeting tomorrow though22:45
lukjad007I was asking because there was supposed to be one yesterday and no one showed.22:46
nhandler[NikO]: It doesn't appear that there is an EMEA membership meeting scheduled yet. However, chances are, it will not be until after the holidays (since they already held one in December)22:47
[NikO]chances or not :), ok, thanks for the information :)22:48
lukjad007See ya.22:50
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