=== ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Forum Council Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Dec 11:00: Community Council | 16 Dec 16:00: Server Team | 16 Dec 17:00: Kernel Team | 17 Dec 16:00: Foundation Team | 17 Dec 17:00: QA Team [00:50] All right, I won't be able to stay. Sorry. [01:09] so we gonna get started [01:12] do we have a meeting in session or what. or are we waiting for everyone? [01:12] I think we are still waiting. At least three admins aren't here, anyway. [01:14] ok [01:21] are we early or is everyone just late ;) [01:43] Maybe it's just that my timezone estimates were off or something. [01:44] No, it was definitely supposed to start 45 minutes ago... [01:45] meeting never happened? [01:47] Still hasn't started [01:47] SnowFlake: I thought so too, but thats not the case [01:48] Rocket2DMn: No, the lat one was earlier, it was a LoCo meeting, after that there was just silence. I waited all this time for nothing? [01:50] i honestly dont know, but its entirely possible [01:50] "Forum Council meetings will be held on #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net (this is subject to change)." [01:51] * Hobbsee suspects people are still confused with days [01:52] it is still the 15th here, so maybe that's why. [01:52] ok well im pretty sure this isnt gonna go down tonight [01:53] yeah, but its already 0100 UTC, December 16, 2008 [01:54] Do they usually have more than one meeting per month? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6260207#post6260207 [01:55] check this out http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event [01:56] I guess it was just a really bad time for most people === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [01:57] even the admins? [01:58] Stuff it, Im going to fix my grub [01:59] i think they're just waiting for us to leave, so when they start they got no opposition [01:59] Maybe. [02:01] hey, aren't you sstusick? [02:01] Yep! [02:01] bump! [02:01] LOL [02:01] I was going to change my nick if the meeting got started [02:01] had a feeling it wouldn't [02:01] because I'm here :P [02:01] i'v been waiting fo 4 hours [02:02] I've been here for a few hours [02:02] well, idling [02:02] 3 hours almost exactly [02:02] wow [02:02] lukjad007 unfortunately could not come. ;( [02:02] He was here [02:02] but then left [02:02] I know. [02:03] He offered his proxy to me, that I could vote for him. [02:03] (I turned it down) [02:03] lol [02:03] I am, however, supposed to send him the logs. [02:03] They'll be pretty boring. :) [02:03] That's for sure [02:05] if there even is logs of the meeting...if there even is a meeting. [02:05] I'm pretty sure this channel is logged. [02:05] well I will idle here [02:06] night and day :P [02:06] Regardless, I log everything anyway. [02:06] me too [02:06] me bump [02:06] the bump thread needs a bump :P [02:07] Am I the only one here who *doesn't* care about the bump thread? :) [02:07] im too lazy to log in, plus im helping someoen with a presentation [02:07] Probably! [02:08] if ye be a pirate, ye'll care 'nough! [02:09] Arr, I be one o' the best pyrates! [02:09] You're one of those crazy pirates eh [02:09] :P [02:09] not here dude. (but i still disagree) [02:09] Huh? [02:09] *confused again* [02:10] hey look, an eagle! [02:11] lol how many people are here in support of the bump thread [02:11] * stunatra is [02:12] We've made rather a mess of the meeting channel. :) [02:12] a mess? [02:13] me is 2 [02:14] I don't care, but just try and mess with me pyrate thread! :) [02:14] I think there's more bump thread fans than pyrate fans :P [02:15] i cant believe there are over 30k bumps [02:15] you guys have way too much time on your hands [02:15] I've got 5.4k of those bumps :X [02:15] Rocket2DMn: You started it! :) [02:16] yes. yes i did. [02:16] I think I started the bumping enthusiasm back in August [02:16] whatever I said, got everyone bumping more than ever before [02:16] i remember what you said too [02:16] 25k bumps in 4 months [02:16] it went somethign like this: bump [02:16] something like that.. crazy lol [02:17] its going to overtake the Word Association game soon [02:17] Yep [02:18] that's the goal [02:18] You guys are crazy. :) [02:18] This is true [02:18] won't argue with you there :P [02:18] Hmm, only 10,000 more bumps to go! [02:18] i only have 304 bumps [02:19] Even that is too many, if you ask me. [02:19] and you're the father of the bump thread [02:19] pretty sad if you ask me :P [02:19] well ive been at it for a year and a half almost [02:19] I started back in February I think [02:20] i thought the goal was to just keep it in the top [02:20] i have to thank bapoumba for supporting that thread, w/out her it very well might have been closed within a few days [02:21] oh an i finally made it to the K-1! huzzah! [02:21] Really? Where? [02:21] what? [02:22] so anybody here like to file bugs? [02:22] nope [02:22] weak [02:22] I file bugs and no one does anything [02:23] so I gave up [02:23] i do. any chance i get [02:23] i wrote a beginners guide yesterday for it [02:23] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1011078 [02:23] let me know if i missed anything important [02:23] oh, i just got my II 8.10 cd from ship-it [02:24] I got mine a couple weeks ago [02:24] too bad, went back to 8.04 [02:24] lame [02:25] lol [02:25] im in 8.04 [02:25] no way im upgrading til i know restricted drivers will work [02:26] I ain't upgrading for awhile [02:26] restricted drivers work for me [02:26] tired of stupid bugs [02:26] i have my lappy and desky on 8.10 [02:26] things that work in one version should work in the next [02:26] "should" being the key word [02:27] well, its a kernel thing, ATI and Nvidia didnt update their drivers [02:27] and pulse audio is nothing but a headache [02:27] its better than it used to be [02:28] you shoulda seen the problems it had during intrepid development === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Dec 11:00: Community Council | 16 Dec 16:00: Server Team | 16 Dec 17:00: Kernel Team | 17 Dec 16:00: Foundation Team | 17 Dec 17:00: QA Team | 18 Dec 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team [02:32] Worksforme. :) [02:44] ok, anyone object to having the bumpthread continue its life [02:52] i think it's safe :) [02:54] The silence is unanimous! [02:55] so long live the Bump thread and its affiliates [02:55] going once [03:02] going twice [03:08] Three times! GONE! [03:08] SOLD! [03:09] Ladies and gentelmens, the BUMP thread (and its associates) live on in peace and harmony (or until the next Forum Council Meeting >:( [03:09] Horay! [03:18] so, anyone who has objections...you're VERY late. But please state your case [03:27] i guess thats it. [03:27] :) === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === Sp4rKy is now known as Guest46561 === Guest46561 is now known as Sp4rKy === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Community Council Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Dec 16:00: Server Team | 16 Dec 17:00: Kernel Team | 17 Dec 16:00: Foundation Team | 17 Dec 17:00: QA Team | 18 Dec 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team [11:00] hello everybody [11:00] who do we have here for the CC meeting? :) [11:00] morning dholbach [11:01] hiya Technoviking [11:02] hello all [11:02] Burgundavia is not online and elmo is travelling [11:02] hi sabdfl [11:02] I just pinged mako, mdke is at work [11:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda is the agenda of today [11:03] ok [11:04] Fridge <-> Calendar [11:04] erk [11:04] Calendar <-> IRC [11:04] I personally do not know what the status on the IRC<->Fridge bot is, but for the Corporate Blogs on p.u.c item I know that we're still waiting on a few votes on the document proposal of Corey [11:04] boredandblogging: are you awak already? [11:04] hey mako [11:04] hey mako [11:04] greetings [11:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [11:05] i know there was an email exchange with nigel pugh about script access to GCalender [11:05] nigel seemed to feel that it should be easy to gain access to events in the way they need [11:05] where Google takes care of the repeating and just feeds a list of "coming events" [11:06] i see on the /talk page that the decision was made to move to Google Calender [11:06] python-gdata should be a nice option there [11:06] but i have no idea if there is any progress on IRC announcements [11:08] I can send a mail to Nick to see what the status is (as it was discussed in the last CC meeting already) and maybe we just need to ask for help with the scripting in a blog post and set up a meeting for people who are interested in working this out [11:08] I dont think there's been any progress on the IRC front. At least, none I've heard of. [11:09] i asked nigel to look into whether such a thing is useful for Canonical too [11:09] we use google calender internally, and irc of course [11:09] if so, we might work on one [11:09] great [11:10] it sounds like that would be nice outcome :) [11:11] well [11:11] it sounds like a distant possibility on the time dimension ;-) [11:11] should we move on? [11:11] yes [11:11] regarding the coporate blogs item, we're lacking votes on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu/CorporateBlogs [11:11] but barring that, something like a blogpost or some other way to raise visibility for the issue is really the best we can do [11:12] mako: I'll take care of mailing Nick and discussing options with him [11:12] +1 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu/CorporateBlogs [11:12] +1 from me too [11:13] +1 here [11:14] i think i want to make one little edit to it [11:14] it says we need to tagged to only export a subset but i think we should specificy what that subset is [11:14] it's the subset that the company wants to put on planet ;-) [11:16] and add a "or have a specific blog for just the Ubuntu-related corporate blog entries" but that's just me being pedantic :) [11:16] I'm fine with it :) [11:16] i.e. they should have a designated tag, and the subscription feed should be limited to things tagged like that [11:18] alright. i think it's a little vague, but it should be a problem since it requires explicit persmission in any case [11:18] we could craft the language to say that "planet should only be subscribed to a subset of blog entries where a conscious decision is made to put the blog post on ubuntu planet. for example, tagging entries with a specific "ubuntuplanet" tag, and subscribing planet to a feed of blog posts with that tag, would be acceptable" [11:18] +1 from me [11:18] sabdfl: yeah, i think that's better [11:18] but it's fine [11:19] any other votes still due on that page, dholbach? [11:20] sabdfl: haven't heard back from elmo nor mdke, but I'd say we have quorum here [11:20] and two weeks was enough to speak up if they seriously disagreed - also we can revisit the decision if it turns out to totally not work out [11:20] i'll send mail to the CC to the effect that we discussed it here, tweaked the page, and +1'd it [11:20] WDYT? [11:20] agreed [11:21] sabdfl: alright [11:21] should we +1 the oxford archeology request? [11:22] i think it's quite reasonable, and it's what triggered the conversation (not the Canonical blog) [11:22] sabdfl: I can mail Yann to ask him to add it to the bzr branch once you mailed the CC about it [11:22] will do [11:22] rock on [11:22] for the record, +1 from me on Oxford Archeology [11:23] +1 too [11:23] absolutely, it sounds like a reasonable request +1 [11:23] done [11:23] +1 for Oxford Archeology [11:23] more done [11:23] do we have any clarity on the request for participation in the Tunisian loco event? [11:24] * dholbach doesn't know much about it [11:24] jono mentioned something about it, but I can't quite remember and he's on vacation [11:24] i think this really belongs with Jono - either we can fund a person to go, or we can't [11:25] let's pass that one on to jono explicitly and remove it from our agenda [11:25] errr [11:25] Date [11:25] [11:25] Dec 16 2008 à préciser [11:25] we might be a bit late anyway [11:26] heh [11:26] just a bit... [11:26] next! [11:26] IRC Council [11:26] irc [11:26] i just voted [11:26] +1 on all three, based on wiki pages and endorsements [11:26] we should have all votes in [11:26] result? [11:26] i believe i voted i favor of all three already [11:26] doorbell - brb [11:29] i think it was a strong +1 across the board [11:29] but it was smeared out over long enough that I might have missed some controversy [11:31] hrm. we may need a charter upgrade then, since we already have 3. [11:32] 3 charters? [11:32] sabdfl: you're right - strong +1 across the board, but I'm a bit unsure about how we're moving on now [11:33] no, 3 members. 3+3 =6, our charter states 5 people for the council [11:33] they can be added to the irc council team in LP with immediate effect, i think [11:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil [11:33] # Consist of five (5) members. Membership should be public and published. [11:33] good catch [11:33] i don't mind amending it to "at least 5"? [11:34] we could have a run-off election, BUT then we should have had 4 candidates for 2 places [11:34] me neither - having more members on board might also help with getting meetings set up, etc. [11:35] i'm happy to vote for the "at least 5" amendment now [11:35] for the run-off election we'd need to decide on the voting process [11:35] +1 from me then, too [11:35] we don't have a "members team" for IRC, do we [11:35] was there any output from the UDS conversation on that point? [11:35] i think we should create that asap [11:35] no, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Delegation is not really suitable for cases like this [11:36] i really don't see any reason why 5 is magic. perhaps we should ask ask the current members on the council if they a problem with it, i suppose [11:36] sabdfl, we have a few members teams for irc actually. irc ops, and irc council. [11:36] there's a bit of a problem that the IRC council would appoint such members, who in turn would likely vote if we have IRC council member bakeoffs [11:36] how big is irc ops? [11:36] mako, i suspect it's a matter of 'pick a non-even number' [11:37] or odd, if you so choose to be more succinct. [11:37] hola... sorry:( [11:37] did I miss the meeting then? :'( [11:37] sabdfl: we could task the new IRC Council with looking into a process for setting that team up, etc. [11:37] not entirely [11:37] * yann2 from Oxford Archaeology - if the point can still be discussed :) [11:37] yann2: we +1'd it [11:37] you're all set [11:38] yann2: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/12/16/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt should be updated in a bit [11:38] sabdfl, sec, i'm trying to find it on LP, and my connection seems to be sucking badly [11:38] oh :) can I have an address to where to send the rss feed? [11:38] just subscribe planet to a feed that requires a specific tag on those blog posts you want on planet [11:38] not the whole blog [11:38] yann2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu [11:38] yann2: you need an ubuntu member who can modify the bzr branch that contains the feed [11:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu/CorporateBlogs [11:39] yann2: ^ [11:39] sabdfl > i read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu/CorporateBlogs ; it will be a tag on our platform - we agree to this [11:39] i've updated the /talk page for the CC agenda to reflect today's decisions [11:39] CC is also an option, I am an ubuntu member [11:40] I can take responsibility for the blog, agree with the 3 months period, non advertising nature of the posts, and I believe we will demonstrate our interest :) [11:40] dholbach: i think we want to have an "irc contributors" team, that is bigger than ops, and which is part of ubuntumembers [11:40] thereby delegating some membership granting privileges to the irc council [11:40] yann2: you already have! [11:40] just for the final bits, how do I get the feed aggregated? [11:40] dholbach: could you mail the IRC council, tell them of the new appointments and the "at least 5" amendment [11:41] yann2: take that up separately, you just amend a file in a bzr branch [11:41] sabdfl: I agree - what do you think about deciding on the new irc council members now and let them figure out a good process for that team, set up documentation etc and talk about it in one of the next CC meetings? [11:41] sabdfl: sure [11:41] dholbach: sure [11:41] hehe [11:41] collision and meld! [11:41] are we wrapped? [11:41] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc is the 'all the ops' team. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-council is the council team. ... seems i forgot to count myself when i said 3 too :P [11:42] sabdfl > any link to this? (sorry for all the off topic :( ) [11:42] yann2: OT [11:42] Technoviking: happy? [11:42] mako: aob? [11:42] not from me [11:43] sabdfl: looks good here [11:43] * dholbach will update the Team Report too [11:43] wrapped [11:43] thanks all [11:44] cheers! [11:44] thanks [11:44] thanks [11:44] * sabdfl needs a quick shower before lunch :-) [11:44] mako: thanks for hopping on despite timezones [11:44] good to see you again! [11:44] the CC should probably own ~ubuntu-irc-council [11:44] I'll put that into the mail as well [11:45] no problem! [11:45] dholbach: fixed :-) [11:46] hehe [11:47] great. i think i'm going to go back to sleep :) [11:47] mako: sleep tight [11:47] see y'all! :) [12:43] <[NikO]> hi there [12:44] <[NikO]> anyone one now when https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA is the next meeting ? === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Dec 16:00: Server Team | 16 Dec 17:00: Kernel Team | 17 Dec 16:00: Foundation Team | 17 Dec 17:00: QA Team | 18 Dec 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 18 Dec 14:00: Ubuntu Java === beuno_ is now known as beuno [15:06] hello all [15:08] Keybuk: i think we're alone now... [15:08] ? [15:09] there doesn't seem to be anyone around [15:09] should there be? [15:09] isn't it a tech board meeting now? [15:09] it's next week on my calendar [15:10] though that might be mdz moving it [15:10] ok, i'll get mdz to sort it out with clan [15:10] sorry [15:10] didnt you have a CC today ? :) [15:10] for the Belinda Carlisle moment [15:10] * jussi01 waves to sabdfl before he dispappears [15:10] should be a good indicator ;) [15:11] hmm, you know, I think mdz has moved it to next week [15:11] mdz: ? [15:16] he's on leave today [15:19] sabdfl: can you tell me the actual outcome RE: IRC council today? we were all elected? [15:22] s/tell/confirm/ [15:23] jussi01: yes, that's correct, and we amended the IRC Council charter to say "at least 5" members should be on the council [15:23] dholbach will email the council [15:23] ok. excellent. Thanks very much [15:24] sabdfl, jussi01: I did mail the council [15:24] excellent. I guess none of them have been available to communicate the news to us [15:24] jussi01: to be fair - I mailed them like 2-3 hours ago [15:25] dholbach: true :) [15:28] sabdfl: dholbach thanks! :) [15:28] de rien [15:29] dholbach: heard too much french last week ? [15:30] stgraber: no - I can't remember the last time when I thought "this was too much French" :) [15:30] sabdfl: although I see a small issue with a 6 member council in that what do we do if there is a deadlock? [15:30] * jussi01 is annoyed he fell asleep and missed the meeting - stupid meds [15:41] jussi01: do you have a chairman? [15:42] sabdfl: not that I am aware of, although someone may correct me on this, given its my first day. [15:44] And you do have an excellent point ;) === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Server Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Dec 17:00: Kernel Team | 17 Dec 16:00: Foundation Team | 17 Dec 17:00: QA Team | 18 Dec 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 18 Dec 14:00: Ubuntu Java [15:51] @now paris [15:51] Current time in Europe/Paris: December 16 2008, 16:52:43 - Current meeting: Server Team [15:52] @schedule [15:52] Schedule for Etc/UTC: Current meeting: Server Team 16 Dec 17:00: Kernel Team | 17 Dec 16:00: Foundation Team | 17 Dec 17:00: QA Team | 18 Dec 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 18 Dec 14:00: Ubuntu Java [15:59] o/ [16:00] hey people [16:00] yo [16:00] lets get this thing started [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is zul. [16:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:00] welcome to the server team meeting i hope everyone's liver has recovered from uds [16:00] o/ [16:01] :) [16:01] the agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [16:01] my liver has not suffered as much as my internal clock ;) [16:01] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:01] New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:02] oh if anyone is wondering why I am chairing the meeting today is because mathias is on holiday and I was asked to do it [16:02] so I guess we will start off with mysql 5.1 [16:02] mysql is still broken in jaunty so no progress has been made on this point [16:03] however I do have a list of packages that need to be transitioned to the new version of mysql if we decide to do it [16:03] nijaba: any action on the kvm help splitting into mutliple sub pages? [16:04] zul: its a following topic [16:04] ok [16:04] zul: I have made a proposal on the roadmap [16:04] ok we will discuss it next then :) [16:04] zul: I was hoping to get approval to procede today [16:04] kirkland: did you create a wiki page for encrypted home directories? [16:05] zul: not yet [16:05] zul: i'm really behind, at the moment [16:05] kirkland: okey dokie [16:05] zul is the meeting chair! \o/ [16:05] and lasty on the agenda from the previous meeting did anyone find dendrobates at UDS to get a beer? [16:06] zul: yessir [16:06] kirkland: lucky ;) [16:06] I did and it was tasty [16:06] I tried... [16:06] heh ok lets move on [16:06] heh, nobody found *me* [16:07] yes but we heard you [16:07] I heard me too :/ [16:07] * kirkland put a beer on Koon's bill [16:07] [TOPIC] Screen Profiles [16:07] New Topic: Screen Profiles [16:07] so kirkland care to explain what Screen Profiles is about? [16:07] i'd like to point people to http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2008/12/ubuntu-server-includes-window-manager.html for screen shots and a lenghty explanation [16:08] this came from a couple of conversations between myself and nijaba, and Daviey, kees, jdstrand, slangasek, and others [16:08] while the Ubuntu server doesn't include a graphical desktop, it does include a WINDOW MANAGER ..... [16:09] which is, of course, screen [16:09] screen is capable of a lot more advanced features than those that it comes with turned on out of the box [16:09] :) [16:09] (that was a very poor sentence ...) [16:09] anyway, consider what the desktop team does to Gnome to get it usable [16:10] some branding, theming, color tweaks, plugins on the task bars, accessibility keystrokes, etc. [16:10] i'm suggesting we do something of the same to screen [16:10] all of which is configurable through screenrc profiles [16:10] i suggest we ship some well-formed profiles [16:10]