[00:50] <lukjad007> All right, I won't be able to stay. Sorry.
[01:09] <crazyness003> so we gonna get started
[01:12] <crazyness003> do we have a meeting in session or what. or are we waiting for everyone?
[01:12] <Snowflake> I think we are still waiting. At least three admins aren't here, anyway.
[01:14] <crazyness003> ok
[01:21] <crazyness003> are we early or is everyone just late ;)
[01:43] <Snowflake> Maybe it's just that my timezone estimates were off or something.
[01:44] <talsemgeest> No, it was definitely supposed to start 45 minutes ago...
[01:45] <Rocket2DMn> meeting never happened?
[01:47] <talsemgeest> Still hasn't started
[01:47] <crazyness003> SnowFlake: I thought so too, but thats not the case
[01:48] <crazyness003> Rocket2DMn: No, the lat one was earlier, it was a LoCo meeting, after that there was just silence. I waited all this time for nothing?
[01:50] <Rocket2DMn> i honestly dont know, but its entirely possible
[01:50] <talsemgeest> "Forum Council meetings will be held on #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net (this is subject to change)."
[01:51]  * Hobbsee suspects people are still confused with days
[01:52] <stunatra> it is still the 15th here, so maybe that's why.
[01:52] <Rocket2DMn> ok well im pretty sure this isnt gonna go down tonight
[01:53] <crazyness003> yeah, but its already 0100 UTC, December 16, 2008
[01:54] <talsemgeest> Do they usually have more than one meeting per month? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6260207#post6260207
[01:55] <crazyness003> check this out http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[01:56] <talsemgeest> I guess it was just a really bad time for most people
[01:57] <crazyness003> even the admins?
[01:58] <talsemgeest> Stuff it, Im going to fix my grub
[01:59] <crazyness003> i think they're just waiting for us to leave, so when they start they got no opposition
[01:59] <stunatra> Maybe.
[02:01] <crazyness003> hey, aren't you sstusick?
[02:01] <stunatra> Yep!
[02:01] <crazyness003> bump!
[02:01] <stunatra> LOL
[02:01] <stunatra> I was going to change my nick if the meeting got started
[02:01] <stunatra> had a feeling it wouldn't
[02:01] <stunatra> because I'm here :P
[02:01] <crazyness003> i'v been waiting fo 4 hours
[02:02] <stunatra> I've been here for a few hours
[02:02] <stunatra> well, idling
[02:02] <stunatra> 3 hours almost exactly
[02:02] <stunatra> wow
[02:02] <Snowflake> lukjad007 unfortunately could not come. ;(
[02:02] <stunatra> He was here
[02:02] <stunatra> but then left
[02:02] <Snowflake> I know.
[02:03] <Snowflake> He offered his proxy to me, that I could vote for him.
[02:03] <Snowflake> (I turned it down)
[02:03] <stunatra> lol
[02:03] <Snowflake> I am, however, supposed to send him the logs.
[02:03] <Snowflake> They'll be pretty boring. :)
[02:03] <stunatra> That's for sure
[02:05] <crazyness003> if there even is logs of the meeting...if there even is a meeting.
[02:05] <Snowflake> I'm pretty sure this channel is logged.
[02:05] <stunatra> well I will idle here
[02:06] <stunatra> night and day :P
[02:06] <Snowflake> Regardless, I log everything anyway.
[02:06] <stunatra> me too
[02:06] <crazyness003> me bump
[02:06] <stunatra> the bump thread needs a bump :P
[02:07] <Snowflake> Am I the only one here who *doesn't* care about the bump thread? :)
[02:07] <crazyness003> im too lazy to log in, plus im helping someoen with a presentation
[02:07] <stunatra> Probably!
[02:08] <crazyness003> if ye be a pirate, ye'll care 'nough!
[02:09] <Snowflake> Arr, I be one o' the best pyrates!
[02:09] <stunatra> You're one of those crazy pirates eh
[02:09] <stunatra> :P
[02:09] <crazyness003> not here dude. (but i still disagree)
[02:09] <Snowflake> Huh?
[02:09] <Snowflake> *confused again*
[02:10] <crazyness003> hey look, an eagle!
[02:11] <Rocket2DMn> lol how many people are here in support of the bump thread
[02:11]  * stunatra is
[02:12] <Snowflake> We've made rather a mess of the meeting channel. :)
[02:12] <stunatra> a mess?
[02:13] <crazyness003> me is 2
[02:14] <Snowflake> I don't care, but just try and mess with me pyrate thread! :)
[02:14] <stunatra> I think there's more bump thread fans than pyrate fans :P
[02:15] <Rocket2DMn> i cant believe there are over 30k bumps
[02:15] <Rocket2DMn> you guys have way too much time on your hands
[02:15] <stunatra> I've got 5.4k of those bumps :X
[02:15] <Snowflake> Rocket2DMn: You started it! :)
[02:16] <Rocket2DMn> yes. yes i did.
[02:16] <stunatra> I think I started the bumping enthusiasm back in August
[02:16] <stunatra> whatever I said, got everyone bumping more than ever before
[02:16] <crazyness003> i remember what you said too
[02:16] <stunatra> 25k bumps in 4 months
[02:16] <crazyness003> it went somethign like this: bump
[02:16] <stunatra> something like that.. crazy lol
[02:17] <Rocket2DMn> its going to overtake the Word Association game soon
[02:17] <stunatra> Yep
[02:18] <stunatra> that's the goal
[02:18] <Snowflake> You guys are crazy. :)
[02:18] <stunatra> This is true
[02:18] <stunatra> won't argue with you there :P
[02:18] <Snowflake> Hmm, only 10,000 more bumps to go!
[02:18] <Rocket2DMn> i only have 304 bumps
[02:19] <Snowflake> Even that is too many, if you ask me.
[02:19] <stunatra> and you're the father of the bump thread
[02:19] <stunatra> pretty sad if you ask me :P
[02:19] <Rocket2DMn> well ive been at it for a year and a half almost
[02:19] <stunatra> I started back in February I think
[02:20] <crazyness003> i thought the goal was to just keep it in the top
[02:20] <Rocket2DMn> i have to thank bapoumba for supporting that thread, w/out her it very well might have been closed within a few days
[02:21] <crazyness003> oh an i finally made it to the K-1! huzzah!
[02:21] <Snowflake> Really? Where?
[02:21] <crazyness003> what?
[02:22] <Rocket2DMn> so anybody here like to file bugs?
[02:22] <stunatra> nope
[02:22] <Rocket2DMn> weak
[02:22] <stunatra> I file bugs and no one does anything
[02:23] <stunatra> so I gave up
[02:23] <crazyness003> i do. any chance i get
[02:23] <Rocket2DMn> i wrote a beginners guide yesterday for it
[02:23] <Rocket2DMn> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1011078
[02:23] <Rocket2DMn> let me know if i missed anything important
[02:23] <crazyness003> oh, i just got my II 8.10 cd from ship-it
[02:24] <stunatra> I got mine a couple weeks ago
[02:24] <stunatra> too bad, went back to 8.04
[02:24] <crazyness003> lame
[02:25] <stunatra> lol
[02:25] <Rocket2DMn> im in 8.04
[02:25] <Rocket2DMn> no way im upgrading til i know restricted drivers will work
[02:26] <stunatra> I ain't upgrading for awhile
[02:26] <crazyness003> restricted drivers work for me
[02:26] <stunatra> tired of stupid bugs
[02:26] <crazyness003> i have my lappy and desky on 8.10
[02:26] <stunatra> things that work in one version should work in the next
[02:26] <crazyness003> "should" being the key word
[02:27] <Rocket2DMn> well, its a kernel thing, ATI and Nvidia didnt update their drivers
[02:27] <stunatra> and pulse audio is nothing but a headache
[02:27] <Rocket2DMn> its better than it used to be
[02:28] <Rocket2DMn> you shoulda seen the problems it had during intrepid development
[02:32] <Snowflake> Worksforme. :)
[02:44] <crazyness003> ok, anyone object to having the bumpthread continue its life
[02:52] <Rocket2DMn> i think it's safe :)
[02:54] <Snowflake> The silence is unanimous!
[02:55] <crazyness003> so long live the Bump thread and its affiliates
[02:55] <crazyness003> going once
[03:02] <crazyness003> going twice
[03:08] <crazyness003> Three times! GONE!
[03:08] <Snowflake> SOLD!
[03:09] <crazyness003> Ladies and gentelmens, the BUMP thread (and its associates) live on in peace and harmony (or until the next Forum Council Meeting >:(
[03:09] <talsemgeest> Horay!
[03:18] <crazyness003> so, anyone who has objections...you're VERY late. But please state your case
[03:27] <crazyness003> i guess thats it.
[03:27] <Snowflake> :)
[11:00] <dholbach> hello everybody
[11:00] <dholbach> who do we have here for the CC meeting? :)
[11:00] <Technoviking> morning dholbach
[11:01] <dholbach> hiya Technoviking
[11:02] <sabdfl> hello all
[11:02] <dholbach> Burgundavia is not online and elmo is travelling
[11:02] <dholbach> hi sabdfl
[11:02] <dholbach> I just pinged mako, mdke is at work
[11:02] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda is the agenda of today
[11:03] <sabdfl> ok
[11:04] <sabdfl> Fridge <-> Calendar
[11:04] <sabdfl> erk
[11:04] <sabdfl> Calendar <-> IRC
[11:04] <dholbach> I personally do not know what the status on the IRC<->Fridge bot is, but for the Corporate Blogs on p.u.c item I know that we're still waiting on a few votes on the document proposal of Corey
[11:04] <dholbach> boredandblogging: are you awak already?
[11:04] <dholbach> hey mako
[11:04] <sabdfl> hey mako
[11:04] <mako> greetings
[11:04] <sabdfl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[11:05] <sabdfl> i know there was an email exchange with nigel pugh about script access to GCalender
[11:05] <sabdfl> nigel seemed to feel that it should be easy to gain access to events in the way they need
[11:05] <sabdfl> where Google takes care of the repeating and just feeds a list of "coming events"
[11:06] <sabdfl> i see on the /talk page that the decision was made to move to Google Calender
[11:06] <dholbach> python-gdata should be a nice option there
[11:06] <sabdfl> but i have no idea if there is any progress on IRC announcements
[11:08] <dholbach> I can send a mail to Nick to see what the status is (as it was discussed in the last CC meeting already) and maybe we just need to ask for help with the scripting in a blog post and set up a meeting for people who are interested in working this out
[11:08] <elkbuntu> I dont think there's been any progress on the IRC front. At least, none I've heard of.
[11:09] <sabdfl> i asked nigel to look into whether such a thing is useful for Canonical too
[11:09] <sabdfl> we use google calender internally, and irc of course
[11:09] <sabdfl> if so, we might work on one
[11:09] <dholbach> great
[11:10] <mako> it sounds like that would be nice outcome :)
[11:11] <sabdfl> well
[11:11] <sabdfl> it sounds like a distant possibility on the time dimension ;-)
[11:11] <sabdfl> should we move on?
[11:11] <dholbach> yes
[11:11] <dholbach> regarding the coporate blogs item, we're lacking votes on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu/CorporateBlogs
[11:11] <mako> but barring that, something like a blogpost or some other way to raise visibility for the issue is really the best we can do
[11:12] <dholbach> mako: I'll take care of mailing Nick and discussing options with him
[11:12] <sabdfl> +1 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu/CorporateBlogs
[11:12] <dholbach> +1 from me too
[11:13] <Technoviking> +1 here
[11:14] <mako> i think i want to make one little edit to it
[11:14] <mako> it says we need to tagged to only export a subset but i think we should specificy what that subset is
[11:14] <sabdfl> it's the subset that the company wants to put on planet ;-)
[11:16] <dholbach> and add a "or have a specific blog for just the Ubuntu-related corporate blog entries" but that's just me being pedantic :)
[11:16] <dholbach> I'm fine with it :)
[11:16] <sabdfl> i.e. they should have a designated tag, and the subscription feed should be limited to things tagged like that
[11:18] <mako> alright. i think it's a little vague, but it should be a problem since it requires explicit persmission in any case
[11:18] <sabdfl> we could craft the language to say that "planet should only be subscribed to a subset of blog entries where a conscious decision is made to put the blog post on ubuntu planet. for example, tagging entries with a specific "ubuntuplanet" tag, and subscribing planet to a feed of blog posts with that tag, would be acceptable"
[11:18] <mako> +1 from me
[11:18] <mako> sabdfl: yeah, i think that's better
[11:18] <mako> but it's fine
[11:19] <sabdfl> any other votes still due on that page, dholbach?
[11:20] <dholbach> sabdfl: haven't heard back from elmo nor mdke, but I'd say we have quorum here
[11:20] <dholbach> and two weeks was enough to speak up if they seriously disagreed - also we can revisit the decision if it turns out to totally not work out
[11:20] <sabdfl> i'll send mail to the CC to the effect that we discussed it here, tweaked the page, and +1'd it
[11:20] <dholbach> WDYT?
[11:20] <sabdfl> agreed
[11:21] <dholbach> sabdfl: alright
[11:21] <sabdfl> should we +1 the oxford archeology request?
[11:22] <sabdfl> i think it's quite reasonable, and it's what triggered the conversation (not the Canonical blog)
[11:22] <dholbach> sabdfl: I can mail Yann to ask him to add it to the bzr branch once you mailed the CC about it
[11:22] <sabdfl> will do
[11:22] <dholbach> rock on
[11:22] <sabdfl> for the record, +1 from me on Oxford Archeology
[11:23] <dholbach> +1 too
[11:23] <mako> absolutely, it sounds like a reasonable request +1
[11:23] <sabdfl> done
[11:23] <Technoviking> +1 for Oxford Archeology
[11:23] <sabdfl> more done
[11:23] <sabdfl> do we have any clarity on the request for participation in the Tunisian loco event?
[11:24]  * dholbach doesn't know much about it
[11:24] <dholbach> jono mentioned something about it, but I can't quite remember and he's on vacation
[11:24] <sabdfl> i think this really belongs with Jono - either we can fund a person to go, or we can't
[11:25] <sabdfl> let's pass that one on to jono explicitly and remove it from our agenda
[11:25] <dholbach> errr
[11:25] <dholbach>  Date
[11:25] <dholbach> 	
[11:25] <dholbach> Dec 16 2008 à préciser
[11:25] <dholbach> we might be a bit late anyway
[11:26] <sabdfl> heh
[11:26] <elkbuntu> just a bit...
[11:26] <sabdfl> next!
[11:26] <dholbach> IRC Council
[11:26] <sabdfl> irc
[11:26] <sabdfl> i just voted
[11:26] <sabdfl> +1 on all three, based on wiki pages and endorsements
[11:26] <dholbach> we should have all votes in
[11:26] <sabdfl> result?
[11:26] <mako> i believe i voted i favor of all three already
[11:26] <dholbach> doorbell - brb
[11:29] <sabdfl> i think it was a strong +1 across the board
[11:29] <sabdfl> but it was smeared out over long enough that I might have missed some controversy
[11:31] <elkbuntu> hrm. we may need a charter upgrade then, since we already have 3.
[11:32] <sabdfl> 3 charters?
[11:32] <dholbach> sabdfl: you're right - strong +1 across the board, but I'm a bit unsure about how we're moving on now
[11:33] <elkbuntu> no, 3 members. 3+3 =6, our charter states 5 people for the council
[11:33] <sabdfl> they can be added to the irc council team in LP with immediate effect, i think
[11:33] <elkbuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil
[11:33] <elkbuntu> # Consist of five (5) members. Membership should be public and published.
[11:33] <sabdfl> good catch
[11:33] <sabdfl> i don't mind amending it to "at least 5"?
[11:34] <sabdfl> we could have a run-off election, BUT then we should have had 4 candidates for 2 places
[11:34] <dholbach> me neither - having more members on board  might also help with getting meetings set up, etc.
[11:35] <mako> i'm happy to vote for the "at least 5" amendment now
[11:35] <dholbach> for the run-off election we'd need to decide on the voting process
[11:35] <sabdfl> +1 from me then, too
[11:35] <sabdfl> we don't have a "members team" for IRC, do we
[11:35] <sabdfl> was there any output from the UDS conversation on that point?
[11:35] <sabdfl> i think we should create that asap
[11:35] <dholbach> no, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Delegation is not really suitable for cases like this
[11:36] <mako> i really don't see any reason why 5 is magic. perhaps we should ask ask the current members on the council if they a problem with it, i suppose
[11:36] <elkbuntu> sabdfl, we have a few members teams for irc actually. irc ops, and irc council.
[11:36] <sabdfl> there's a bit of a problem that the IRC council would appoint such members, who in turn would likely vote if we have IRC council member bakeoffs
[11:36] <sabdfl> how big is irc ops?
[11:36] <elkbuntu> mako, i suspect it's a matter of 'pick a non-even number'
[11:37] <elkbuntu> or odd, if you so choose to be more succinct.
[11:37] <yann2> hola... sorry:(
[11:37] <yann2> did I miss the meeting then? :'(
[11:37] <dholbach> sabdfl: we could task the new IRC Council with looking into a process for setting that team up, etc.
[11:37] <elkbuntu> not entirely
[11:37]  * yann2 from Oxford Archaeology - if the point can still be discussed :)
[11:37] <sabdfl> yann2: we +1'd it
[11:37] <sabdfl> you're all set
[11:38] <dholbach> yann2: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/12/16/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt should be updated in a bit
[11:38] <elkbuntu> sabdfl, sec, i'm trying to find it on LP, and my connection seems to be sucking badly
[11:38] <yann2> oh :) can I have an address to where to send the rss feed?
[11:38] <sabdfl> just subscribe planet to a feed that requires a specific tag on those blog posts you want on planet
[11:38] <sabdfl> not the whole blog
[11:38] <dholbach> yann2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[11:38] <sabdfl> yann2: you need an ubuntu member who can modify the bzr branch that contains the feed
[11:38] <sabdfl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu/CorporateBlogs
[11:39] <sabdfl> yann2: ^
[11:39] <yann2> sabdfl > i read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu/CorporateBlogs ; it will be a  tag on our platform - we agree to this
[11:39] <sabdfl> i've updated the /talk page for the CC agenda to reflect today's decisions
[11:39] <yann2> CC is also an option, I am an ubuntu member
[11:40] <yann2> I can take responsibility for the blog, agree with the 3 months period, non advertising nature of the posts, and I believe we will demonstrate our interest :)
[11:40] <sabdfl> dholbach: i think we want to have an "irc contributors" team, that is bigger than ops, and which is part of ubuntumembers
[11:40] <sabdfl> thereby delegating some membership granting privileges to the irc council
[11:40] <sabdfl> yann2: you already have!
[11:40] <yann2> just for the final bits, how do I get the feed aggregated?
[11:40] <sabdfl> dholbach: could you mail the IRC council, tell them of the new appointments and the "at least 5" amendment
[11:41] <sabdfl> yann2: take that up separately, you just amend a file in a bzr branch
[11:41] <dholbach> sabdfl: I agree - what do you think about deciding on the new irc council members now and let them figure out a good process for that team, set up documentation etc and talk about it in one of the next CC meetings?
[11:41] <dholbach> sabdfl: sure
[11:41] <sabdfl> dholbach: sure
[11:41] <dholbach> hehe
[11:41] <sabdfl> collision and meld!
[11:41] <sabdfl> are we wrapped?
[11:41] <elkbuntu> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc is the 'all the ops' team. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-council is the council team. ... seems i forgot to count myself when i said 3 too :P
[11:42] <yann2> sabdfl > any link to this? (sorry for all the off topic :( )
[11:42] <sabdfl> yann2: OT
[11:42] <sabdfl> Technoviking: happy?
[11:42] <sabdfl> mako: aob?
[11:42] <mako> not from me
[11:43] <Technoviking> sabdfl: looks good here
[11:43]  * dholbach will update the Team Report too
[11:43] <sabdfl> wrapped
[11:43] <sabdfl> thanks all
[11:44] <sabdfl> cheers!
[11:44] <Technoviking> thanks
[11:44] <dholbach> thanks
[11:44]  * sabdfl needs a quick shower before lunch :-)
[11:44] <sabdfl> mako: thanks for hopping on despite timezones
[11:44] <sabdfl> good to see you again!
[11:44] <dholbach> the CC should probably own ~ubuntu-irc-council
[11:44] <dholbach> I'll put that into the mail as well
[11:45] <mako> no problem!
[11:45] <sabdfl> dholbach: fixed :-)
[11:46] <dholbach> hehe
[11:47] <mako> great. i think i'm going to go back to sleep :)
[11:47] <dholbach> mako: sleep tight
[11:47] <mako> see y'all! :)
[12:43] <[NikO]> hi there
[12:44] <[NikO]> anyone one now when https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA is the next meeting ?
[15:06] <sabdfl> hello all
[15:08] <sabdfl> Keybuk: i think we're alone now...
[15:08] <Keybuk> ?
[15:09] <sabdfl> there doesn't seem to be anyone around
[15:09] <Keybuk> should there be?
[15:09] <sabdfl> isn't it a tech board meeting now?
[15:09] <Keybuk> it's next week on my calendar
[15:10] <Keybuk> though that might be mdz moving it
[15:10] <sabdfl> ok, i'll get mdz to sort it out with clan
[15:10] <sabdfl> sorry
[15:10] <ogra> didnt you have a CC today ? :)
[15:10] <sabdfl> for the Belinda Carlisle moment
[15:10]  * jussi01 waves to sabdfl before he dispappears
[15:10] <ogra> should be a good indicator ;)
[15:11] <Keybuk> hmm, you know, I think mdz has moved it to next week
[15:11] <Keybuk> mdz: ?
[15:16] <sabdfl> he's on leave today
[15:19] <jussi01> sabdfl: can you tell me the actual outcome RE: IRC council today? we were all elected?
[15:22] <jussi01> s/tell/confirm/
[15:23] <sabdfl> jussi01: yes, that's correct, and we amended the IRC Council charter to say "at least 5" members should be on the council
[15:23] <sabdfl> dholbach will email the council
[15:23] <jussi01> ok. excellent. Thanks very much
[15:24] <dholbach> sabdfl, jussi01: I did mail the council
[15:24] <jussi01> excellent. I guess none of them have been available to communicate the news to us
[15:24] <dholbach> jussi01: to be fair - I mailed them like 2-3 hours ago
[15:25] <jussi01> dholbach: true :)
[15:28] <jussi01> sabdfl: dholbach thanks! :)
[15:28] <dholbach> de rien
[15:29] <stgraber> dholbach: heard too much french last week ?
[15:30] <dholbach> stgraber: no - I can't remember the last time when I thought "this was too much French" :)
[15:30] <jussi01> sabdfl: although I see a small issue with a 6 member council in that what do we do if there is a deadlock?
[15:30]  * jussi01 is annoyed he fell asleep and missed the meeting - stupid meds
[15:41] <sabdfl> jussi01: do you have a chairman?
[15:42] <jussi01> sabdfl: not that I am aware of, although someone may correct me on this,  given its my first day.
[15:44] <jussi01> And you do have an excellent point ;)
[15:51] <nijaba> @now paris
[15:52] <nijaba> @schedule
[15:59] <nijaba> o/
[16:00] <zul> hey people
[16:00] <sommer> yo
[16:00] <zul> lets get this thing started
[16:00] <zul> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is zul.
[16:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:00] <zul> welcome to the server team meeting i hope everyone's liver has recovered from uds
[16:00] <Koon> o/
[16:01] <sommer> :)
[16:01] <zul> the agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:01] <nijaba> my liver has not suffered as much as my internal clock ;)
[16:01] <zul> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:02] <zul> oh if anyone is wondering why I am chairing the meeting today is because mathias is on holiday and I was asked to do it
[16:02] <zul> so I guess we will start off with mysql 5.1
[16:02] <zul> mysql is still broken in jaunty so no progress has been made on this point
[16:03] <zul> however I do have a list of packages that need to be transitioned to the new version of mysql if we decide to do it
[16:03] <zul> nijaba: any action on the kvm help splitting into mutliple sub pages?
[16:04] <nijaba> zul: its a following topic
[16:04] <zul> ok
[16:04] <nijaba> zul: I have made a proposal on the roadmap
[16:04] <zul> ok we will discuss it next then :)
[16:04] <nijaba> zul: I was hoping to get approval to procede today
[16:04] <zul> kirkland: did you create a wiki page for encrypted home directories?
[16:05] <kirkland> zul: not yet
[16:05] <kirkland> zul: i'm really behind, at the moment
[16:05] <zul> kirkland: okey dokie
[16:05] <kirkland> zul is the meeting chair!  \o/
[16:05] <zul> and lasty on the agenda from the previous meeting did anyone find dendrobates at UDS to get a beer?
[16:06] <kirkland> zul: yessir
[16:06] <zul> kirkland: lucky ;)
[16:06] <sommer> I did and it was tasty
[16:06] <nealmcb> I tried...
[16:06] <zul> heh ok lets move on
[16:06] <Koon> heh, nobody found *me*
[16:07] <zul> yes but we heard you
[16:07] <Koon> I heard me too :/
[16:07]  * kirkland put a beer on Koon's bill
[16:07] <zul> [TOPIC] Screen Profiles
[16:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Screen Profiles
[16:07] <zul> so kirkland care to explain what Screen Profiles is about?
[16:07] <kirkland> i'd like to point people to http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2008/12/ubuntu-server-includes-window-manager.html for screen shots and a lenghty explanation
[16:08] <kirkland> this came from a couple of conversations between myself and nijaba, and Daviey, kees, jdstrand, slangasek, and others
[16:08] <kirkland> while the Ubuntu server doesn't include a graphical desktop, it does include a WINDOW MANAGER .....
[16:09] <kirkland> which is, of course, screen
[16:09] <kirkland> screen is capable of a lot more advanced features than those that it comes with turned on out of the box
[16:09] <nealmcb> :)
[16:09] <kirkland> (that was a very poor sentence ...)
[16:09] <kirkland> anyway, consider what the desktop team does to Gnome to get it usable
[16:10] <kirkland> some branding, theming, color tweaks, plugins on the task bars, accessibility keystrokes, etc.
[16:10] <kirkland> i'm suggesting we do something of the same to screen
[16:10] <kirkland> all of which is configurable through screenrc profiles
[16:10] <kirkland> i suggest we ship some well-formed profiles
[16:10] <kirkland> perhaps choose one safe one as a sane default
[16:10]  * nijaba just loves it
[16:11] <kirkland> and a utility for selecting, and/or building a profile from the ones we provide
[16:11] <kirkland> i currently have implemented at least a beta
[16:11] <zul> sounds neat
[16:11] <kirkland> it's in my ppa
[16:11] <kirkland> screenshots on the blog
[16:11] <kirkland> package in REVU
[16:11] <kirkland> hopefully it'll make Universe this week
[16:11] <nijaba> kirkland: did you update your ppa with our latests changes?
[16:11] <kirkland> nijaba: yes, i did
[16:11] <nijaba> \o/
[16:11] <kirkland> nijaba: i have a few questions about your keybindings
[16:12] <kirkland> nijaba: but i did upload support for the .screenrc-profile bits
[16:12] <kirkland> nijaba: allowing for local customizations
[16:12] <nijaba> you mean the ones I came up with EARLY this morning?
[16:12] <kirkland> nijaba: yeah ... ctrl-del seems like a counterintuitive way to "create" a new tab, for example
[16:12] <nijaba> I agree that ctrl-del is not perfect for creating windows
[16:13] <nijaba> I just hope that someone will come up with somthing better :)
[16:13] <kirkland> nijaba: furthermore, i was thinking of a framework for keybindings
[16:13] <zul> you can do it the nt way and do ctrl-alt-delete to login ;)
[16:13] <kirkland> nijaba: similar to the framework we're using for the profile itself
[16:13] <kirkland> nijaba: i think we should separate the configuration of key-shortcuts and screen layout
[16:13] <nijaba> kirkland: ahah, interesting
[16:13] <kirkland> nijaba: and allow for mixing and matching
[16:13] <kirkland> nijaba: -> that, too, was a 1am hair brained idea ... haven't thought it through entirely
[16:14] <zul> kirkland: is it getting any closer to getting in universe for winder testing?
[16:14] <kirkland> zul: nxvl reviewed the package, had only one suggestion
[16:14] <kirkland> zul: i fixed that suggestion, so i think it should be ready for upload later today
[16:14] <kirkland> zul: and i'll tackle an archive admin ASAP
[16:14] <zul> ok so
[16:14]  * nealmcb updates https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI to point to Dustin's server window manager page
[16:14] <nijaba> kirkland: as you know, a share of my community time will be dedicated to it
[16:14] <kirkland> zul: there's a project in LP, where people can file bugs/feature requests
[16:15] <nijaba> nealmcb: it might be a bit too soon yet
[16:15] <zul> ACTION: kirkland to upload screen profiles to universe
[16:15] <kirkland> zul: there's one more thing
[16:15] <nijaba> nealmcb: it's a functional prototype open for comment at the moment
[16:15] <kirkland> zul: nijaba has an interesting idea, to take this to the next level ....
[16:15] <zul> oh? what would that be?
[16:16] <kirkland> zul: assuming we "prove" this technology is useful/popular, we could have users enter a screen session when they login, by default
[16:16] <kirkland> zul: until that time, i think i'm going to add another binary utility to screen-profiles that allows the user to turn this on/off with a command
[16:16] <nijaba> kirkland: you mean what I put in my blod post?
[16:16] <zul> that might be a bit difficult to get use to
[16:16] <nijaba> blog too
[16:16] <kirkland> nijaba: right
[16:17] <kirkland> nijaba: i think a utility, or a flag to select-screen-profile would be nice
[16:17] <nijaba> http://nicolas.barcet.com/drupal/screen-by-default
[16:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://nicolas.barcet.com/drupal/screen-by-default
[16:17] <kirkland> nijaba: to add the lines to bashrc, or remove them
[16:17] <kirkland> nijaba: we'll want to make that a one-liner, so it can be added/pruned easily
[16:17] <kirkland> nijaba: which means another helper script
[16:17] <nijaba> kirkland: yep, that would be nice
[16:17] <nealmcb> nijaba: sure, but that is a pretty casual wiki page that needed at least a mention of screen.  The link to the blog will give a taste of things to come
[16:17] <nijaba> kirkland: could'nt it be part of the same script?
[16:18] <kirkland> nealmcb: that's fine by me, but this is very much in flux, fast moving at this point, so please just make sure you keep it up-to-date
[16:18] <kirkland> nijaba: you mean select-screen-profile?
[16:18] <zul> alrighty then
[16:18] <nijaba> kirkland: yep
[16:18] <kirkland> nijaba: yeah, it could be another question at the bottom
[16:18] <kirkland> zul: so one more thing
[16:18] <kirkland> zul: a request for the community ....
[16:19] <kirkland> zul: if you have fun, interesting, useful screen "hacks", please share them!
[16:19] <zul> sounds good to me
[16:20] <zul> [ACTION] kirkland to upload screen profiles to universe
[16:20] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kirkland to upload screen profiles to universe
[16:20] <zul> [ACTION] nealmcb to update wiki page to keep it current
[16:20] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nealmcb to update wiki page to keep it current
[16:20] <nealmcb> :)
[16:20] <zul> [ACTION] kirkland to send an email to ubuntu-server asking for interesting screenhacks
[16:20] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kirkland to send an email to ubuntu-server asking for interesting screenhacks
[16:21] <zul> kirkland: there is also some dot profile sites that have user contributed .screenrcs as well
[16:21]  * nijaba thinks zul is having a lot of fun with his new bot :)
[16:21]  * sommer was about to mention dotfiles.org
[16:21] <zul> sommer: thats the site :)
[16:22] <zul> alrighty then
[16:22] <zul> [TOPIC] review KVM page refactoring
[16:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  review KVM page refactoring
[16:22] <zul> nijaba as you were saying
[16:22] <nijaba> soren, has anyone got a chance to review my refactoring proposal on the roadmap?
[16:22] <nijaba> err/soren/so
[16:23] <nijaba> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap#Refactor%20KVM%20wiki%20page
[16:24] <nijaba> should I go ahead and reorganize accordingly?
[16:24] <zul> i havent gone through it
[16:25] <zul> sommer: ^^^
[16:25] <sommer> looks good to me
[16:25] <zul> soren: ^^^
[16:26] <zul> so im assuming that everything is good on the documentation end then
[16:26] <zul> going once
[16:27] <zul> going twice
[16:27] <zul> going thrice
[16:27] <nijaba> ok, expect the refactoring to occur in the next couple weeks then ;)
[16:27] <zul> [ACTION] nijaba to refactor the KVM documentation
[16:27] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nijaba to refactor the KVM documentation
[16:27] <zul> so next
[16:28] <zul> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:28] <zul> anyone have anything they want to talk about
[16:28] <zul> what did people think of UDS?
[16:28] <ogra> the weather ? :)
[16:28] <nijaba> I just have a pre-announce to make
[16:29] <Koon> ...
[16:29] <nijaba> dendrobates will be sending an official announce of the ubuntu on ec2 beta later today \o/
[16:29] <zul> yay
[16:29] <Koon> ~o~
[16:29] <sommer> very cool
[16:30] <nijaba> watch your favorite ml...
[16:31] <zul> so ok then Im assuming people liver's are still recovering
[16:31] <nijaba> thanks to zul, soren, erichammond and many others putting this together
[16:31] <zul> hey no problem
[16:31] <zul> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:31] <nealmcb> ebox
[16:32] <zul> oh im sorry
[16:32] <nealmcb> let me get the link
[16:32] <nealmcb> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ebox/+bug/255368
[16:32] <zul> yeah we discussed this at uds didnt we?
[16:33] <nealmcb> right - so just a question of how to get it working
[16:33] <nealmcb> more of the details are at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ebox/+bug/273486
[16:33] <sommer> the ebox ppa?
[16:34] <nealmcb> the ppa has the whole new package, so wouldn't likely survive an sru review
[16:34] <zul> it wont
[16:34] <nealmcb> I'm guessing that pulling in the changes for the two issues noted in the 2nd bug would be the best approach
[16:35] <zul> nealmcb: id suggest looking at the debian control file and see what it needs now
[16:35] <nealmcb> and I put a comment at the bottom of the 1st bug noting the uds discussion
[16:35] <zul> i might get a chance to look at it this afternoon
[16:36] <zul> or if anyone from the community would like to look at it
[16:36] <nealmcb> javier noted that the new package has an alternative for the libapache-authcookie-perl  package
[16:36] <nealmcb> and for the changes to ldap
[16:37] <nealmcb> as well as several new packages I think
[16:37] <zul> well the only way to test this would be run it in a vm and see what goes on
[16:37] <nealmcb> which would not be appropriate
[16:37] <nealmcb> right
[16:37] <zul> the new packages would not get in anyways
[16:37]  * nealmcb nods
[16:38] <zul> so the question is does anyone volunteer to look at these ebox bugs?
[16:38] <sommer> sure
[16:38] <nealmcb> so I guess the plan would be getting it working with those minimal patches in jaunty, then an sru, then a more complete merge of the new stuff from the ppa into jaunty?
[16:39] <zul> nealmcb: that sounds like a plan
[16:39] <zul> sommer: cool if you need sponsorship let me know and Ill be glad to help
[16:39] <zul> [ACTION] sommer to look at fixing ebox for intrepid
[16:39] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer to look at fixing ebox for intrepid
[16:39] <zul> anyone else?
[16:39]  * nealmcb cheers for sommer
[16:40] <sommer> cool, I imagine I'll get stuck somewhere
[16:40] <zul> sommer: yep just ask
[16:40] <nealmcb> I would think foolano would be very helpful
[16:41] <sommer> nealmcb: yeppers
[16:41] <zul> [TOPIC] Agree on a next meeting date and time
[16:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on a next meeting date and time
[16:41] <zul> same bat time same bat channel?
[16:41]  * sommer +1
[16:42] <nijaba> +1
[16:42]  * nealmcb nods
[16:42] <Koon> I suspect I might be missing that one.
[16:42] <zul> Koon: you are excused ;)
[16:42] <zul> thanks everyone
[16:42]  * nijaba may miss it as well, thinking about it...
[16:42] <thomasgilling> Hello
[16:42] <nijaba> thanks for chairing zul
[16:42] <zul> #endmeeting
[16:42] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:42.
[16:43]  * Daviey walks in late, stumbles across some chairs, sits down quietly and realises he is late and missed the meeting.
[16:43] <thomasgilling> I am wondering if I could get my acount unblcoked?
[16:43] <sommer> thanks zul
[16:43] <thomasgilling> Is that possible?
[16:43] <nijaba> thomasgilling: what account are you talking about?
[16:44] <nealmcb> thomasgilling: have you asked in #ubuntu-ops?
[16:44] <nijaba> Daviey: we missed you!
[16:44] <thomasgilling> finalmacpro
[16:45] <nijaba> thomasgilling: on launchpad?
[16:45] <thomasgilling> no on ubuntu forums
[16:45] <nealmcb> thomasgilling: you need to talk to the forums folks
[16:45] <thomasgilling> How
[16:45] <thomasgilling> I tryed they said go to a meeting
[16:45] <thomasgilling> or something like that
[16:46] <nealmcb> I suggest starting with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumsGovernance
[16:48] <nealmcb> thomasgilling: and see the meeting information at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncil
[16:48] <thomasgilling> I have seen that
[16:49] <thomasgilling> it even siad to go to this IRC
[16:49] <nealmcb> looks like the last meeting was earlier today.  we have lots of different meetings in this channel.  we just finished the server team meeting
[16:50] <thomasgilling> when is the forum meeting's?
[16:50] <nealmcb> that page says 1:00 UTC, which was a few hours ago
[16:51] <thomasgilling> ok
[17:01] <pgraner> Its about time for the Kernel Team Weekly Meeting
[17:01]  * smb_tp is there
[17:01]  * cking is here
[17:01] <pgraner> #startmeeting
[17:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:01. The chair is pgraner.
[17:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:02] <pgraner> [TOPIC] UDS Wrap-up
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS Wrap-up
[17:02] <pgraner> I think UDS was good this year and we have lots of things for Jaunty
[17:02]  * apw is here
[17:03]  * sconklin is here
[17:03] <pgraner> Improved Suspend/Resume, faster boot and other nice things
[17:04] <pgraner> I'll be updating the roadmap and the individual specs this week
[17:04] <pgraner> Do anyone have anything to add?
[17:04] <rtg> there sure seems like there is a lot of work to do.
[17:04] <apw> do we need to do anything with cking to ensure he is up to speed
[17:05] <pgraner> apw: once the roadmap and specs are up to date we can start there
[17:05] <rtg> like meet for a day at Millbank?
[17:05] <apw> :)
[17:05] <cking> yeah
[17:05] <pgraner> I've started the specs and started updating the calendar
[17:06] <apw> when might we expect to see the list of actions?
[17:06] <pgraner> [LINK] http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=50d02kfdekgcjdcpc970hh83f0%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York
[17:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=50d02kfdekgcjdcpc970hh83f0%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York
[17:07] <pgraner> hopefully tomorrow, if I can get off of conference calls :-)
[17:08] <apw> cool, %s/apw/cking/ *innocent wistle*
[17:08] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Jaunty
[17:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Jaunty
[17:08] <pgraner> How are we looking for Alpha2 on Thurs?
[17:08] <pgraner> rtg: ^^^^^^^^^^^?
[17:09] <rtg> only have linux-meta left to upload.
[17:09] <rtg> I'll get that done as soon as I check on LRM status
[17:09] <pgraner> rtg: did we update the config based off the discussion at UDS?
[17:09] <apw> rtg we may have to update the linux-libc-dev as per the patch on our list to fix the libdrm-dev collision
[17:09] <rtg> its in the git repo. but won't make the A2 upload
[17:09] <apw> i don't know if that needs to hit before -alpha2
[17:10] <rtg> apw: I'll look at it later today
[17:10] <smb_tp> I got some question for Amit about the current state of lpia kernels.
[17:10] <rtg> smb_tp: he's in transit to India
[17:11] <pgraner> smb_tp: get with sconklin, he is prob best to know
[17:11] <smb_tp> pgraner, Ok. Thought that was a week later
[17:11] <sconklin> smb_tp: I'll do the best I can.
[17:11] <sconklin> and I know who else to ask
[17:12] <smb_tp> sconklin, Ok, I guess we can sort it out. :)
[17:12] <pgraner> ok let move on then
[17:12] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Intrepid, Hardy and Older
[17:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Intrepid, Hardy and Older
[17:12] <pgraner> smb_tp: how we looking? Whats in the pipe?
[17:13] <smb_tp> I am still needing to bug archive admins about the hardy-proposed
[17:13] <smb_tp> Otherwise there is nothing for older
[17:13] <pgraner> smb_tp: ok, sounds good
[17:14] <smb_tp> Intrepid, I believe rtg had the last bigger -stable upload done
[17:14] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Meeting Schedule for the Holidays
[17:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Meeting Schedule for the Holidays
[17:14] <rtg> I'm close to uploading Intrepid which contains all stable updates through 2.6.27.9
[17:14] <pgraner> rtg: cool, when will you be handing off to smb_tp ?
[17:14] <rtg> right afterwards.
[17:14] <smb_tp> We planned to .... yeah...
[17:14] <pgraner> rtg: great
[17:15] <pgraner> Canonical is off for the Holidays over the next two scheduled meetings. So I propose we resume on 6 Jan 2009.
[17:15] <pgraner> Any objections?
[17:15] <cking> Sounds good
[17:16] <rtg> wfm
[17:16] <apw> ok with me
[17:16] <pgraner> Ok, I'll update the online schedule and cals/wiki
[17:16] <smb_tp> ok for me. Rest of that day is a holiday in my parts of germany but i'll tune in
[17:16] <pgraner> [MISC Topics]
[17:17] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Misc Topics
[17:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Misc Topics
[17:17]  * pgraner is still jet lagged
[17:18] <pgraner> How is kernel mode setting looking for .28?
[17:18]  * apw isn't aware if its in or not
[17:18] <rtg> no info.
[17:18] <rtg> I don't remember seeing it as one of the config options.
[17:19] <pgraner> can someone take a looking into it and let me know. I need to let the Desktop guys know, they are asking and we missed each other at UDS.
[17:19] <apw> there looks to be some stuff in the kernel for it, all preparitory nothing obvious as the change to date
[17:19] <rtg> I think .29 was the target for full KMS
[17:20] <pgraner> ok, if someone could follow up with an email after poking around.
[17:20] <apw> rtg you or i can do it
[17:21] <pgraner> apw: you guys can sort it out
[17:21] <rtg> apw: then I pick you :)
[17:21]  * apw figures
[17:21]  * rtg is lazy
[17:21] <apw> on my list
[17:21] <pgraner> Anyone else have anything, or other topics?
[17:21]  * cking thinks rtg is missing a learning opportunity
[17:21]  * rtg is suffering from LRM build-itis
[17:22]  * pgraner thought it was Alzheimers
[17:22] <apw> lol
[17:22]  * rtg wonders why he gets so much grief for simply having survived longer then anyone else?
[17:23] <apw> take it as a compliment :)
[17:23] <apw> pgraner, you may ACTION me on that mode setting thing
[17:24] <pgraner> [ACTION] apw to email pgraner about upstream status of kernel mode setting
[17:24] <MootBot> ACTION received:  apw to email pgraner about upstream status of kernel mode setting
[17:24] <pgraner> if now one else has anything then I think we can call this one quits
[17:25] <apw> nothing here
[17:25] <rtg> everybody get back to work.
[17:25] <smb_tp> nope
[17:25] <apw> *crack*
[17:25] <pgraner> Ok... later then
[17:25] <pgraner> #endmeeting
[17:25] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:25.
[22:44] <lukjad007> Is there a meeting going on tonight?
[22:44] <[NikO]> hi
[22:45] <[NikO]> i can't find the date of next Europe council
[22:45] <nhandler> lukjad007: No meeting tonight. There is a Foundation Team meeting tomorrow though
[22:46] <lukjad007> I was asking because there was supposed to be one yesterday and no one showed.
[22:47] <nhandler> [NikO]: It doesn't appear that there is an EMEA membership meeting scheduled yet. However, chances are, it will not be until after the holidays (since they already held one in December)
[22:48] <[NikO]> chances or not :), ok, thanks for the information :)
[22:50] <lukjad007> See ya.