| azeem | mok0: pong | 00:17 |
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| mok0 | azeem: hi, do you have a few moments to discuss that IBM license? | 00:25 |
| azeem | sure | 00:25 |
| mok0 | azeem: so I checked the gle source pkg, and it has exactly the same IBM license. | 00:26 |
| mok0 | azeem: In fact, gle shouldn't be in Debian :-) | 00:26 |
| azeem | hrm, I had a look at it | 00:26 |
| mok0 | azeem: The license text is flawed, I am pretty sure they meant to give you permission to modify & distribute | 00:27 |
| azeem | mok0: COPYING says: | 00:27 |
| azeem | Alternately, at your choosing, you may choose to accept the source | 00:27 |
| azeem | code and the man pages/documentation under the GPL: the GNU General | 00:27 |
| azeem | Public License version 2, as given below. | 00:27 |
| mok0 | azeem: go in src/ and lookat COPYING.src | 00:27 |
| azeem | hrm | 00:28 |
| azeem | not sure which COPYING is the one which rules-them-all | 00:28 |
| mok0 | azeem: to me it doesn't look like that... | 00:29 |
| mok0 | azeem: COPYING.src says at the top: "The following agreement applies to the source code in this directory | 00:30 |
| mok0 | only!" | 00:30 |
| azeem | ok, but the top-level COPYING says it's alternatively under the GPL | 00:30 |
| azeem | certainly some clarification would be fine | 00:30 |
| mok0 | azeem: yes, but can the distributor just do that? I don't think so | 00:30 |
| azeem | btw, Carlos latest reply WRT source code from books is public domain is... werid | 00:30 |
| azeem | weird* | 00:30 |
| mok0 | azeem: oh, I haven't seen that | 00:31 |
| azeem | mok0: you mean Carlos? | 00:31 |
| azeem | "Thanks a lot Morten, I will have a good look at this library, although I | 00:31 |
| azeem | think it would be ridiculous if I could not use a small piece of code | 00:31 |
| azeem | written and explained in a general purpose book. I believe the code is | 00:31 |
| azeem | essentially in the public domain... | 00:31 |
| mok0 | azeem: yes, I haven't seen his mail yet | 00:31 |
| azeem | " | 00:31 |
| mok0 | azeem: hmm. | 00:31 |
| mok0 | azeem: He is probably right if he typed it from the book | 00:32 |
| azeem | well, if GLE is really double-licensed under the GPL as COPYING claims, Carlos and we are on the safe sid | 00:32 |
| azeem | e | 00:32 |
| azeem | mok0: I don't think so, unless the book is in the public domain as well, which I doubt | 00:32 |
| mok0 | azeem: ok, but how do we persuade the release manager? | 00:32 |
| Laney | james_w`: Here? | 00:32 |
| Hobbsee | mok0: offer beer. | 00:33 |
| azeem | mok0: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gle/ -> Details | 00:33 |
| azeem | License : GNU General Public License (GPL), Public Domain | 00:33 |
| * mok0 looks | 00:33 | |
| azeem | that was clearly filled in by the authors/project admins | 00:33 |
| azeem | who is linas | 00:33 |
| azeem | so personally, I think the GLE issue is not a big problem | 00:33 |
| mok0 | azeem: basically, the GLE folks just incorporated Linas' library | 00:34 |
| mok0 | azeem: ah wait | 00:34 |
| mok0 | azeem: he is the one maintaining it | 00:35 |
| azeem | right | 00:35 |
| azeem | so this should be safe, albeit clarification would be welcome | 00:35 |
| azeem | the other issue might be more severe I guess | 00:35 |
| azeem | btw, gl2ps is used in a couple of projects by now, I wonder whether it shouldn't be a library on its own, maybe | 00:35 |
| mok0 | azeem: I think Carlos should just credit the GLE project then, and cite the LGPL license in his code | 00:36 |
| azeem | I think that's what he's going to do | 00:36 |
| azeem | see 49468E59.4050707@ist.utl.pt | 00:36 |
| mok0 | azeem: wrt. Mark Kilgard's code it still needs to be settled | 00:36 |
| azeem | Subject: Re: Fwd: [Debichem-devel] gamgi_0.13.9-1_i386.changes REJECTED | 00:36 |
| azeem | yes | 00:36 |
| Laney | james_w`: I'm going to send some of your patches to Debian now, to speed the transition along | 00:36 |
| mok0 | azeem: what is that 4946.... ? | 00:38 |
| azeem | a message-id | 00:38 |
| azeem | in which Carlos said he's going to credit the GLE project | 00:38 |
| mrooney | Oh no, my package failed to install, apparently! | 00:39 |
| mrooney | I fail. | 00:39 |
| azeem | "Regarding the GLE code, I changed the copyright notice, that now comes as | 00:39 |
| azeem | (in conformance with the GLE Sourceforge Details page): | 00:39 |
| azeem | " | 00:39 |
| mok0 | azeem: ah, right | 00:39 |
| azeem | anyway, the GLE issue looks solved, or is at most an annoyance | 00:39 |
| mok0 | azeem: yes | 00:39 |
| coppro | anyone for REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=metakit | 00:39 |
| azeem | we could remove the PS output | 00:39 |
| azeem | or hope Mark answers | 00:40 |
| mok0 | azeem: that would be the final solution | 00:40 |
| coppro | actually, wait while the update gets processed | 00:40 |
| mrooney | does anyone know if having a python app installed via setup.py --install, and then packaging it and attempting an install the package, cause it to fail? | 00:40 |
| mok0 | azeem: Carlos is really responsive which makes things a lot easier... I am confident we can resolve the last problem | 00:41 |
| mok0 | mrooney: It shouldn't if you use python-central | 00:42 |
| azeem | mok0: I'm writing a response to that now | 00:43 |
| azeem | btw, it's funny to read this in the GLE AUTHOS | 00:43 |
| azeem | AUTHOS* | 00:43 |
| azeem | bah | 00:43 |
| coppro | ok, the update hit | 00:44 |
| azeem | anyway: | 00:44 |
| azeem | Contributors: | 00:44 |
| azeem | Mark Kilgard <mjk@nvidia.com> formatted the man pages | 00:44 |
| coppro | if you are really nice, you can go REVU now | 00:44 |
| mok0 | azeem: debian/copyright seems lacking | 00:45 |
| azeem | mok0: for gle? | 00:46 |
| mok0 | azeem: yes | 00:46 |
| azeem | yeah | 00:46 |
| mok0 | it doesn't mention the artistic license on the docs | 00:46 |
| azeem | it certainly wouldn't go through these days | 00:46 |
| mok0 | azeem: probably not | 00:47 |
| mok0 | azeem: which is not bad | 00:47 |
| azeem | I have to admit I was annoyed by the REJECT initially | 00:48 |
| azeem | but now I have to admit that Carlos was quite sloppy ehre | 00:49 |
| azeem | here* | 00:49 |
| azeem | sent the mail | 00:49 |
| mok0 | azeem: I didn't catch the modification problem when I wrote the copyright. It's good that Frank did a careful job | 00:49 |
| mok0 | azeem: We can't trust upstream to get it right | 00:50 |
| mok0 | azeem: but Carlos seems determined to get it right, which is good for us | 00:51 |
| azeem | yeah | 00:51 |
| mok0 | azeem: it also slipped by the ubuntu archive admin :-) | 00:51 |
| azeem | yeah, it wasn't obvious at all | 00:52 |
| azeem | but Frank only got appointed about a week ago, so I guess he's super-careful righ tnow | 00:52 |
| mok0 | azeem: he's doing a good job. | 00:53 |
| mrooney | mok0: but you would expect it to fail if I were using python-support? | 00:54 |
| mok0 | mrooney: eerh.. no | 00:55 |
| mok0 | mrooney: how "fail"? | 00:56 |
| mrooney | mok0: well the first sign of error seems to be: "pycentral: pycentral pkginstall: not overwriting local files" | 00:58 |
| mrooney | right after Unpacking..., Setting up... | 00:58 |
| mok0 | mrooney: does the setup.py work by itself? | 00:59 |
| mrooney | mok0: I am pretty sure, I can double check though | 01:00 |
| mrooney | let me do that... | 01:00 |
| coppro | anyone feeling up to a REVU? | 01:38 |
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| mrooney | mok0: yeah, I can run "sudo python setup.py install" as many times as I please without errors | 01:48 |
| mok0 | mrooney: ... and the files end up where they should? | 02:01 |
| mrooney | mok0: yup, it seems to run perfectly and get all the icons and such | 02:02 |
| mok0 | mrooney: can you pastebin your debian/rules file? | 02:02 |
| mrooney | sure! | 02:05 |
| mrooney | mok0: http://pastebin.com/f328782bb | 02:07 |
| mrooney | hm I just got an apport crash report for the .deb install but naturally I can't report it, I wonder if it still has useful information I can get | 02:08 |
| ScottK-laptop | mrooney: What does setup.py look like? | 02:24 |
| mrooney | ScottK-laptop: something approximately like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mrooney/wxbanker/0.4/annotate/88?file_id=setup.py-20081113200358-bni0acav33olhzf7-1 ! | 02:27 |
| ScottK-laptop | mrooney: I did on one occasion have to set up a custom binary install rule with python setup.py install --root $(CURDIR)/debian/$BINARY_PACKAGE_NAME in it. | 02:29 |
| ScottK-laptop | That installed it in the right place for building the package. | 02:30 |
| mrooney | hmmmm | 02:31 |
| mrooney | ScottK-laptop: I am not sure that I understand that :) | 02:32 |
| mrooney | I am quite new to packaging, alas | 02:32 |
| ScottK-laptop | The --root command tells setup.py where to install the package. | 02:32 |
| ScottK-laptop | For a regular install, it knows by default and generally with CDBS it does for Debian packages. | 02:33 |
| ScottK-laptop | It may be you've confused CDBS somehow and need to tell it. | 02:33 |
| ScottK-laptop | Dunno if it's actually relevant to your problem or not, but what I ended up with was http://paste.ubuntu.com/85914/ | 02:35 |
| mrooney | ScottK-laptop: what exactly...is that file? :) | 02:46 |
| ScottK-laptop | That's part of my debian/rules. See the pymilter package if you want to see the whole thing. | 02:57 |
| ScottK-laptop | mrooney: ^^ | 02:59 |
| Elitest_ | Hey erbody | 03:00 |
| nhandler | geser: ping | 03:08 |
| rosebuntu | hi~!! | 03:21 |
| rosebuntu | i wan to be MOTU | 03:21 |
| rosebuntu | say hi~ | 03:21 |
| Ahmuck | rosebuntu: topic ... there is where u start | 03:25 |
| coppro | anyone for REVUing? | 03:26 |
| rosebuntu | i want to be MOTU | 03:30 |
| * ScottK notes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/NeedsPackagingBugs | 04:38 | |
| * ScottK grumbles, not again. | 04:38 | |
| TheMuso | ScottK-laptop: I am enclined to agree with you. | 04:49 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 06:54 |
| fabrice_sp | Hi dholbach | 07:01 |
| dholbach | hiya fabrice_sp | 07:01 |
| fabrice_sp | emgent, ping | 07:05 |
| iulian | Morning dholbach. | 07:07 |
| dholbach | hiya iulian | 07:08 |
| Koon | Good morning world ! | 07:08 |
| dholbach | hey Koon | 07:09 |
| Koon | Hello Daniel | 07:09 |
| fabrice_sp | Hi doko_ Could you have a look at bug #296466? | 07:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 296466 in python-central "[Sync request] Please sync Python-central 0.6.8 from Debian Lenny" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296466 | 07:11 |
| fabrice_sp | emgent, it was about bug #283013. I've been contacted by upstream becaue he wants to make the packaging. Have to go now. CU later | 07:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 283013 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] ProjectX - transcode video to streams" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283013 | 07:16 |
| fabrice_sp | bye | 07:16 |
| fabrice_sp | bad bug. Bug #279755 | 07:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 279755 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] remastersys" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279755 | 07:17 |
| fabrice_sp | chao | 07:17 |
| pmjdebruijn | lo | 08:02 |
| pmjdebruijn | I fixed my package: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=lensfun can anybody take a look / endorse it? | 08:03 |
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| hyperair | in case my messages didn't get through earlier - please review my packages "codelite" http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=codelite and "sigx" http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sigx | 09:27 |
| directhex | are any of them mono packages? | 09:33 |
| willwill | hello, I just updated my package. please review: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mbpurple | 09:43 |
| directhex | 3 new sync bugs for today | 09:53 |
| NCommander | directhex, need ACKs? | 09:53 |
| directhex | NCommander, that'd be nice! | 09:54 |
| NCommander | links? | 09:54 |
| NCommander | links? | 09:56 |
| NCommander | er | 09:56 |
| NCommander | ... | 09:56 |
| directhex | bug 308500 bug 308497 bug... bollocks, can't find the last one, it's a new package | 09:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 308500 in gbrainy "Please sync gbrainy 1.00-2 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308500 | 09:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 308497 in monodevelop "Please sync monodevelop 1.0+dfsg-4 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308497 | 09:56 |
| directhex | where does requestsync hide new package bugs? | 09:56 |
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| directhex | found it. bug 308498 | 10:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 308498 in ubuntu "Please sync banshee-extension-mirage 0.4.0-3 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308498 | 10:01 |
| Sp4rKy | wc | 10:03 |
| sebner | directhex: meehh, need to wait until a server has it to testbuild. Are MD and banshee urgent? because you know, they will be autosynced the next few days .. | 10:19 |
| directhex | sebner, autosynced from experimental? | 10:20 |
| pochu | nope | 10:20 |
| sebner | directhex: ah, I know I missed something ^^ | 10:20 |
| * sebner winks pochu =) | 10:20 | |
| pochu | hey sebner :) | 10:22 |
| sebner | directhex: ACKed your stuff =) | 10:56 |
| directhex | cheers | 10:58 |
| directhex | need to fastsyncmergething sublib at some point today, so i can sync gnome-subtitles | 10:59 |
| sebner | directhex: also joined MOTU-Mono group so I'll be the first one to ACK your bugs :P | 10:59 |
| directhex | hurrah | 10:59 |
| NCommander | directhex, archive admins can't do fast syncs, you need to make a debdiff and do it through standard sponsoring | 11:12 |
| directhex | NCommander, yeah, i know. hence it's on my TODO, i'm not just making sebner do it | 11:16 |
| NCommander | BTW, sebner, welcome to MOTU (belated :-)) | 11:16 |
| directhex | NCommander, how would you do the changelog - a fresh -0sync0 entry above the -1? or change the -1? or... | 11:16 |
| sebner | NCommander: heh, thx :) | 11:17 |
| NCommander | I usually put the entry above the old one. I recommend just using 0build0. s comes after u, it might not work correctly | 11:17 |
| NCommander | (if you do it right, debuild will through a warning that the newest changelog is older the the previous one) | 11:17 |
| sebner | or use dpkg --comapare-versions | 11:18 |
| NCommander | s/through/throw/g | 11:18 |
| NCommander | or that | 11:18 |
| directhex | s comes after u? | 11:21 |
| directhex | aptitude reinstall alphabet | 11:21 |
| sebner | s t u | 11:22 |
| sebner | nope ;) | 11:22 |
| lidaobing | please help review iptux 0.4.3-0ubuntu1: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=4268, thanks | 11:44 |
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| directhex | NCommander, so i should file the orig/dsc/diff against the non-existent package's LP page, or against "ubuntu"? | 12:37 |
| NCommander | oh, crap, it will get stuck in the Ubuntu NEW queue | 12:38 |
| NCommander | Then again, ours is moving | 12:38 |
| directhex | yeah, i know. ubuntu NEW isn't something you need a sleeping bag for IME | 12:38 |
| NCommander | Shove it on REVU, its going to need to be peered reviewed | 12:38 |
| * NCommander thinks | 12:39 | |
| NCommander | I need an archive admin | 12:39 |
| directhex | gah, it's not even my package | 12:39 |
| DktrKranz | StevenK: mind looking at bug 303245? It has been processed, but it didn't appear on Intrepid yet. | 13:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 303245 in intrepid-backports "Please backport amule-adunanza" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/303245 | 13:04 |
| StevenK | I remember doing that one | 13:04 |
| * StevenK prods cocoplum | 13:04 | |
| StevenK | DktrKranz: Yeah, source NEW in intrepid-backports. Accepted | 13:06 |
| * DktrKranz hugs StevenK | 13:07 | |
| StevenK | DktrKranz: :-) | 13:07 |
| StevenK | DktrKranz: It will probably hit binary NEW after it builds, but I'll be sleeping. | 13:08 |
| DktrKranz | StevenK: no problem. If it's not a problem for you, I'll bother you in a couple of days, or I'll wait for regular NEW processing. | 13:09 |
| StevenK | DktrKranz: It doesn't show up in the usual NEW queue, you need to look for it | 13:09 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 15:03 |
| ScottK | Heya bddebian. | 15:06 |
| bddebian | Heya ScottK | 15:07 |
| bobbo | In debdiffs, are changes to config.{sub,guess} supposed to be there? (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20280134/nss-updatedb_10-1ubuntu2.debdiff) | 15:14 |
| RainCT | directhex: thanks | 15:15 |
| directhex | hm? | 15:15 |
| RainCT | directhex: for fixing the double build :P | 15:16 |
| directhex | it's not perfect, but we'll worry about the fine detail later | 15:16 |
| pmjdebruijn | I fixed the critique on my package: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=lensfun | 15:20 |
| logari81 | hi, I updated my package: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=pdfshuffler, it is warning-free now. | 15:23 |
| pochu | bobbo: no, that's likely due to a broken debian/rules | 15:24 |
| bobbo | pochu: so they should be removed in "clean"? | 15:25 |
| pochu | bobbo: yes | 15:31 |
| pochu | either removed or restored to their previous state | 15:31 |
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| Extend | is there is a way to use external binary package in a package? | 15:59 |
| pochu | what do you mean? | 16:00 |
| Extend | y3ne i built a debian package for gsopcast | 16:00 |
| Extend | it need "sp-sc-auth" a binary app required by this application | 16:01 |
| Extend | so ? | 16:03 |
| Extend | pochu, ? | 16:04 |
| sebner | Extend: debian/control has a Depends file where you can mention your package dependency | 16:05 |
| Extend | yes | 16:05 |
| Extend | i know but there is no package contains the binary file sp-sc-auth | 16:05 |
| pochu | you cannot depend on a package that does not exist then :) | 16:08 |
| Extend | :'( | 16:08 |
| Extend | i'm searching for sp-sc-auth src | 16:08 |
| Extend | but no luck | 16:09 |
| bobbo | If a package build-depends on a patchsys and has all the patchsys commands in debian/rules but doesnt actually have any patches (no debian/patches dir), should you remove all the patchsys stuff from the package? | 16:45 |
| RainCT | bobbo: no, you can leave it there | 16:45 |
| directhex | i'd leave it | 16:46 |
| directhex | for the future! | 16:46 |
| bobbo | hehe, thanks guys :) | 16:47 |
| DktrKranz | mok0: re bug 271835, xtide-coastline has been introduced in Debian (and autosynced in Intrepid), so I guess xtide-wvs1-data (Ubuntu local package) is no longer necessary, am I right? | 16:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 271835 in xtide-wvs1-data "package xtide-wvs1-data None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/xtide-wvs1-data.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/xtide-wvs/wvs1.dat', which is also in package xtide-coastline" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271835 | 16:50 |
| mok0 | DktrKranz: yes it can be killed | 16:50 |
| DktrKranz | mok0: great, I'll ask for removal, unless you want to do it yourself | 16:51 |
| mok0 | DktrKranz: If you want the karma, please go ahead :-) | 16:51 |
| DktrKranz | mok0: Launchpad karma is low, I think I gained a much higher "karma" from Real Life (tm). Thanks ;) | 16:53 |
| mok0 | :-) | 16:53 |
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| mok0 | Hmm, what's a .ddeb file? | 17:19 |
| superm1 | mok0, a file with debug symbols for a package | 17:25 |
| mok0 | superm1: thanks. I've never met one of those before.. | 17:26 |
| slytherin | geser: any idea why java toolchain on hppa is broken? | 18:10 |
| RainCT | directhex: before I get in touch with upstream again, have you tried if the gbrainy .deb works fine? | 18:17 |
| RainCT | (I can't test it here because of the libc version.. *sigh*) | 18:18 |
| slytherin | Is it mandatory to mention maintainer field change in debian/changelog? | 18:20 |
| iulian | slytherin: Actually, you don't need to. | 18:20 |
| RainCT | slytherin: not anymore | 18:20 |
| slytherin | iulian: RainCT: that is what I was hoping for. :-) | 18:21 |
| iulian | It's mentioned in the Ubuntu policy, if I'm not wrong. | 18:21 |
| ScottK | slytherin: Actually it's highly discouraged. | 18:21 |
| ScottK | iulian: It is. | 18:21 |
| slytherin | ScottK: It was encouraged at some point of time in past, right? | 18:22 |
| RainCT | slytherin: indeed, many sponsors requried it | 18:22 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 18:22 |
| geser | slytherin: no idea, and I was busy the last weeks so I'm not really up-to-date, I just manage to keep up to not get totally lost this cycle | 18:23 |
| slytherin | geser: I guess I will have to ask doko. | 18:24 |
| slytherin | who manages the ftbfs page? the LP urls for packages are broken? | 18:25 |
| ScottK | wgrant is probably a good victim ^H^H^H^H^H^H person to talk to. | 18:26 |
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| slytherin | calc: Do you plan to upload the fixes to various java libraries as specified in bug 305790, or are you waiting for Debian to do the fixes? | 19:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 305790 in suitesparse "MIR - move to main for openoffice.org 3 build-depends" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/305790 | 19:06 |
| calc | slytherin: i'm patching them and submitting to debian (via my debian.org address) and will be uploading them to ubuntu soon after | 19:07 |
| calc | since i'm not a part of the debian java team i'm not uploading them directly to debian | 19:07 |
| slytherin | calc: I can commit then to debian-java svn if you can sponsor them. | 19:08 |
| calc | slytherin: are you part of debian-java team? | 19:08 |
| * calc wasn't 100% certain he was patching them the way the debian java team would want | 19:09 | |
| slytherin | calc: yes, but I am not developer so someone needs to sponsor the packages. | 19:09 |
| calc | also debian is in a freeze so wasn't sure if it should be uploaded currently | 19:09 |
| slytherin | calc: I believe it can be uploaded to unstable. As all the packages are blocked from entering into testing. | 19:09 |
| calc | ok | 19:10 |
| slytherin | calc: But even in that case I guess the processing will take loads of time. I suggest that we first do the changes in Ubuntu and then commit them one by one in Debian. | 19:10 |
| slytherin | calc: I can help in doing changes in Ubuntu. | 19:11 |
| calc | slytherin: shouldn't take me too much time to get the rest done | 19:12 |
| calc | slytherin: i've done the changes then debdiff it and submit the bug to debian with the patch with the ubuntu specific bits stripped out | 19:12 |
| slytherin | calc: Ok. Let me know if you need help. Meanwhile I am fixing other FTBFS. | 19:12 |
| calc | ok | 19:13 |
| calc | slytherin: if i run into anything non-obvious i'll let you know :) | 19:13 |
| slytherin | sure | 19:13 |
| Elitest_ | Hey all | 19:17 |
| wgrant | slytherin: Ehem, sorry. I shouldn't edit that page when asked late at night at UDS, it seems. | 19:18 |
| slytherin | wgrant: no issues. I was just checking if anyone knew it was broken | 19:19 |
| slytherin | Elitest_: hi | 19:19 |
| slytherin | what are we supposed to do about the bugs in a package for which upstream is not traceable? | 19:28 |
| ScottK | Fix them. | 19:28 |
| ScottK | If upstream is dead/vanished, the package is unreasonably broken, it's not reasonably fixable, then it's time for removal. | 19:29 |
| slytherin | ScottK: there is an app for configuring airport (as in Apple airport) base stations. It works with java 5 but not with 6. Even if I somehow fix it. I am not sure where to forward patches. | 19:34 |
| imbrandon | there is no upstream bug tracker even ? | 19:35 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: comming back for more BBQ this season ? :) | 19:36 |
| slytherin | imbrandon: the only upstream reference I could find is in debian/copyright and that page no longer exists. | 19:37 |
| ScottK-desktop | imbrandon: For a short visit, yes. | 19:38 |
| imbrandon | slytherin: i would google a bit then, if no luck, just put the patches in ubuntu and maybe blog about it, then someone "might" pickup and make a "new" upstream tracker at google code or sf or something | 19:38 |
| imbrandon | also pass them to debian of course | 19:39 |
| slytherin | imbrandon: I will try. | 19:39 |
| imbrandon | ScottK-desktop: sweet, we should catch some bbq again if you have time this trip :) | 19:39 |
| imbrandon | my 30th bday is friday :) | 19:40 |
| imbrandon | lol | 19:40 |
| yann2 | hello :) I am looking for someone who could make a launchpad account "ubuntero" - it got approved this morning. who should I speak to? (the case is a bit - special) | 19:40 |
| imbrandon | i think you just need to sign the CoC for it to become ubuntero if i rember correctly | 19:41 |
| Pici | I don't remember an approval process either. | 19:41 |
| mgdm | I presume that's where the "special" bit comes in | 19:41 |
| yann2 | mmh not ubuntero then, maybe i wanted to say ubuntu member? | 19:41 |
| yann2 | it's basically to be able to add a feed to the planet | 19:41 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok thats diffrent, the person / team that approved you will take care of it, normaly takes 24 hours or so | 19:42 |
| imbrandon | or did | 19:42 |
| yann2 | the "special" tag being, it's for a corporate blog, following this : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu/CorporateBlogs and the meeting from this morning | 19:42 |
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| yann2 | and I just created the launchpad account, so I guess nobody will approve it :) | 19:42 |
| yann2 | I think this may be the first corporate launchpad account in fact... | 19:43 |
| imbrandon | i doubt that :) | 19:43 |
| imbrandon | maybe the first solely for a blog :) | 19:44 |
| yann2 | good then I didn't totally messed up with creating the account, i wasn't sure :) | 19:44 |
| imbrandon | anyhow processes is still the same, you goto whomever approved your membership and tell them the LP account name | 19:44 |
| yann2 | it's not solely for a blog, PPA will be good. | 19:44 |
| yann2 | well they didnt approve the account, they approved blog membership - is that the same thing? | 19:45 |
| imbrandon | then that person(s) will pass the info to the TB and the TB will eventiualy make your LP account part of the team | 19:45 |
| imbrandon | yann2: not exactly, they only approve membership, blogs and ppa and @ubuntu.com email and such are all "perks" that come with membership | 19:46 |
| yann2 | actually I think sabfdl approved me, wish me good luck to try to catch him... I'll see if I can find anyone a bit more accessible | 19:46 |
| imbrandon | it would have been a team yann2 , one sabdfl was likely part of like CC or such | 19:47 |
| yann2 | imbrandon > I went through the community council though, not the usual approval process, with that request: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda/talk | 19:47 |
| imbrandon | what meeting did you attend ? | 19:47 |
| yann2 | see I told you it was a bit special ;) | 19:47 |
| yann2 | CC meeting, 11am this morning | 19:47 |
| imbrandon | right, then in this case email the CC and inform them of the LP account | 19:47 |
| imbrandon | they only approve membership, blogs and ppa and @ubuntu.com email and such are all "perks" that come with membership | 19:48 |
| yann2 | right, you got an email for the CC? | 19:48 |
| yann2 | I know, being a member myself... | 19:48 |
| imbrandon | one sec | 19:48 |
| imbrandon | https://launchpad.net/~communitycouncil/+members | 19:50 |
| imbrandon | and i "think" communitycouncil@ubuntu.com works as an alias to email the whole team, i could be wrong though | 19:51 |
| RainCT | imbrandon: PPA is for everyone | 19:52 |
| bddebian | Everyone that likes crack :) | 19:52 |
| imbrandon | RainCT: right right | 19:54 |
| yann2 | trying to pm them first... we'll see if I am lucky... | 19:54 |
| imbrandon | ahhh yann2 | 19:54 |
| yann2 | damn | 19:54 |
| imbrandon | after reading that wiki page | 19:54 |
| imbrandon | it looks like "you" are the corperate sponsor | 19:55 |
| imbrandon | soooo | 19:55 |
| slytherin | calc: did you intentionally add ${misc:Depends} to dependency of jtidy? | 19:55 |
| yann2 | well pretty much yes :) | 19:55 |
| imbrandon | that LP account would not add the feed to the bzr branch, you would | 19:55 |
| yann2 | well that's the tricky bit | 19:55 |
| imbrandon | why? | 19:55 |
| yann2 | what if I want to open my own blog? :( | 19:55 |
| imbrandon | sure, you can add anything to the bzr branch as a member | 19:56 |
| yann2 | or maybe i can add two blogs then? | 19:56 |
| imbrandon | your just sponsoring the corp blog too | 19:56 |
| imbrandon | yes | 19:56 |
| yann2 | riiiight. yes that makes sense then :) | 19:56 |
| imbrandon | you can add 5,10,100000 as long as they abide by the rules and are approved etc | 19:56 |
| slytherin | calc: AFAIK, ${misc:Depends} is unnecessary for java packages. | 19:56 |
| yann2 | are there any, approved moral persons? | 19:57 |
| yann2 | we've not been huuuge contributors so far, but my little finger tells me that may arrive one day. | 19:57 |
| imbrandon | huh ? | 19:57 |
| calc | slytherin: it clears up the lintian warnings about using debhelper without using its replacement variables | 19:59 |
| calc | slytherin: i suppose if you don't want lintian clean packaging it can be dropped | 19:59 |
| imbrandon | overides :) | 19:59 |
| * imbrandon ducks | 20:00 | |
| fabrice_sp | Hi. Anyone wanting to review dvdstyler (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=dvdstyler)? | 20:00 |
| slytherin | calc: I believe that variable is redundant for java packages. And I am sure lintian is not very smart about java packages. | 20:00 |
| slytherin | calc: and warning != error. :-) | 20:00 |
| directhex | how are things in java land today? | 20:01 |
| slytherin | directhex: openjdk has replaced GCJ as default java on almost all arch. :-) | 20:01 |
| slytherin | directhex: and calc is working in putting some java libs in main as they are build deps for OOo3. | 20:02 |
| directhex | but not runtime deps? | 20:03 |
| calc | well its not using openjdk but default-jre so if gcj is still default somewhere it will use that | 20:03 |
| calc | most platforms default-jre == openjdk | 20:03 |
| slytherin | calc: That is what I meant. for most arch default-jre = openjdk | 20:04 |
| slytherin | geser: I have finally decided to log bug about libjboss-web-services-java issue. I got no reply on mailing list as well as #debian-java on OFTC. | 20:04 |
| calc | btw anyone know how to make evolution redirect draft/sent to imap folders in intrepid? | 20:05 |
| calc | it seems to just be outright broken | 20:05 |
| yann2 | anyway imbrandon thanks for your help ;) I am a bit more enlightened now. | 20:06 |
| yann2 | it's a bit scary to blog on the planet ubuntu as representative of an enterprise, hope it'll be alright :) | 20:06 |
| directhex | how successful is the "ignore it and it'll go away" strategy for packages? | 20:06 |
| imbrandon | directhex: huh ? | 20:10 |
| * directhex is wondering whether to give up on an evil package & request removal from the debian archive | 20:10 | |
| imbrandon | ahh lol | 20:10 |
| ScottK | slytherin: misc depends is not actually used for any packages right now, but is being pre-deployed for all packages using debhelper for in the future when it may be smart enough to add depends. | 20:10 |
| slytherin | ScottK: I thought python packages used it. | 20:11 |
| ScottK | slytherin: No, python:Depends | 20:11 |
| slytherin | ScottK: it is still redundant if that is the only lintian warning, IMHO. | 20:13 |
| ScottK | slytherin: It's unneeded up until it's not. | 20:13 |
| directhex | :) | 20:14 |
| directhex | oh yeah, that second patch for kde4bindings | 20:15 |
| directhex | bugger | 20:15 |
| imbrandon | apt-cache search smstools | 20:18 |
| imbrandon | grrr | 20:18 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon is alive? | 20:19 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: hehe yea, just now getting back in the IRC mood | 20:20 |
| imbrandon | been way too long | 20:20 |
| ajmitch | welcome back :) | 20:20 |
| ajmitch | how are things? | 20:20 |
| imbrandon | good good, found out this week that I am offered a position in London :) | 20:20 |
| imbrandon | a 2 year trip | 20:21 |
| ajmitch | oh that's nice | 20:21 |
| imbrandon | thought that might be kinda cool | 20:21 |
| imbrandon | same company i already work for, we just "bought out" another UK company "GT" and are re-branding them to our name etc | 20:21 |
| imbrandon | sooooo i get to move to London and work on Drupal for 2 years ( assuming I take it, but chances are very high ) | 20:22 |
| imbrandon | u? | 20:22 |
| ajmitch | still in dunedin, same job, nothing changes | 20:23 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: buy the expansion yet ( WoW ) ? | 20:27 |
| imbrandon | i found a horrific bug in the intel vid drivers ( linux ) and WotLK Expansion and have to play in OSX for the moment :( | 20:28 |
| directhex | file that bug? | 20:30 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: yeah, playing a little bit | 20:31 |
| imbrandon | directhex: definately , as always | 20:31 |
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| slytherin | directhex: did you fix ikvm build in sane manner i.e. not copying openjdk snapshot source? | 20:33 |
| jack_ | I saw some video tutorial on youtube for package building. But I got problems with the gpg key... | 20:38 |
| jack_ | http://pastebin.com/m1851090b | 20:38 |
| jack_ | I followed the instructions in the video tutorial | 20:38 |
| jack_ | I also didn't find a .bashrc file, so I made one my own... | 20:39 |
| jack_ | and I got problems with less /var/cache/pbuilder/result/package.deb | 20:40 |
| jack_ | he is saying, it's a binary file are you sure? If I type yes, I got really unreadable signs... | 20:41 |
| jack_ | thanks in advance | 20:42 |
| bobbo | does anyone know Sebastian Bachers IRC nick (or is he here?) | 20:48 |
| pochu | bobbo: seb128 | 20:48 |
| bobbo | pochu: thanks :) | 20:49 |
| pochu | bobbo: he's in -devel, -desktop and -bugs when he's online | 20:49 |
| pochu | np :) | 20:49 |
| slytherin | jack_: why do you want to do less with a deb file? | 20:51 |
| jack_ | slytherin, thats what I saw in the tutorial | 20:52 |
| slytherin | jack_: the problem you are seeing with gpg key is probably because the address in latest entry debian/changelog is not your email address. | 20:52 |
| slytherin | jack_: which tutorial is that? | 20:52 |
| jack_ | slytherin, youtube ubuntu-motu tutorial | 20:53 |
| slytherin | jack_: Sorry, but I am too tired now. I hope someone else will help you. | 20:53 |
| jack_ | k | 20:57 |
| geser | jack_: have you '[ -x /usr/bin/lesspipe ] && eval "$(lesspipe)"' in your ~/.bashrc? | 20:59 |
| jack_ | geser, no | 21:00 |
| jack_ | it was an empty file, made by myself | 21:00 |
| geser | if it's empty, then copy /etc/skel/.bashrc to ~/.bashrc | 21:02 |
| geser | you should get the default one back | 21:02 |
| jack_ | skel is empty here | 21:03 |
| jack_ | ctr H ok... | 21:03 |
| jack_ | ok, thanks | 21:05 |
| jack_ | is it possible to become an maintainer of one package which is now not in Ubuntu? | 21:05 |
| RainCT | jack_: in Debian yes, in Ubuntu there aren't Maintainers | 21:06 |
| jack_ | mmh ok... | 21:06 |
| pochu | jack_: but you could get it uploaded, and then take care of it | 21:07 |
| pochu | that's pretty much like maintaining it :) | 21:07 |
| jack_ | ok I see | 21:07 |
| pochu | RainCT: and there are maintained packages, e.g. gajim :-) | 21:08 |
| jack_ | I 'm right when I say I can build packages for intrepid on Hardy? | 21:08 |
| pochu | with a chroot, yes | 21:08 |
| jack_ | And build packages without having the dependencies/ -devs installed? | 21:08 |
| RainCT | pochu: well, but being in the Maintainer field in an Ubuntu package isn't the same as being in a Debian package | 21:08 |
| jack_ | How about building a kernel in a chroot? | 21:09 |
| pochu | jack_: no, you need the build-dependencies to build packages | 21:09 |
| RainCT | pochu: (my name is also in the Maintainer field of some Ubuntu-only package, btw :)) | 21:09 |
| jack_ | pochu, ok | 21:10 |
| Nafallo | EY! | 21:10 |
| Nafallo | hi | 21:10 |
| pochu | RainCT: merge gajim with Debian and you will have Nafallo in your inbox :-) | 21:10 |
| Nafallo | someone mentioned my package ;-) | 21:10 |
| pochu | hey Nafallo ;) | 21:10 |
| RainCT | pochu: :D | 21:10 |
| jack_ | and how about my kernel question? | 21:10 |
| Nafallo | phone, brb | 21:10 |
| RainCT | pochu: is this a challenge? :P | 21:11 |
| pochu | jack_: I think you can, but I have never build a kernel :-) | 21:11 |
| pochu | RainCT: maybe, but I don't assume the consequences ;) | 21:11 |
| emgent | pochu: heya :) | 21:13 |
| Nafallo | back | 21:14 |
| Nafallo | I think we're never than Debian, aren't we? | 21:15 |
| directhex | really don't build a kernel without a damn good reason, because you really will have nasty integration issues | 21:23 |
| directhex | generally speaking, use make-kpkg (from kernel-package) to generate debs | 21:23 |
| directhex | if memory serves | 21:23 |
| directhex | this is going back a good few years to my debian days | 21:24 |
| pochu | hey hey emgent :-) | 21:38 |
| pochu | emgent: did you go to California? | 21:38 |
| directhex | so were's UDS 2009 then? | 21:57 |
| mgdm | you house. | 21:57 |
| mgdm | err. your. | 21:57 |
| directhex | i have a 2 bedroom coachhouse. | 21:57 |
| mgdm | plenty of space ;) | 21:59 |
| pochu | if there's no bikeshed to discuss its colour, then it's not a good place :) | 22:01 |
| mgdm | heheh | 22:01 |
| nhandler | geser: Thanks a lot for finally getting around to responding to my application :) | 22:18 |
| x1250 | I had to comment the following like in debian/rules for inkscape (svn) to build properly: | 22:19 |
| x1250 | # cd po; intltool-update -p | 22:20 |
| x1250 | with that line compiling died with: | 22:20 |
| x1250 | xgettext: error while opening "./../share/filters/filters.svg.h" for reading: No such file or directory | 22:20 |
| x1250 | but only using pbuilder. Compiling it by hand, ./autogen.sh && ./configure && make, worked ok. | 22:21 |
| x1250 | is there a real problem with commenting the offending line in debian/rules? | 22:21 |
| x1250 | may I do it without any fear some other thing may break? | 22:21 |
| geser | nhandler: I hoped I find the time to vote on it but it doesn't look like so I at least didn't want to delay it even further | 22:23 |
| nhandler | geser: I already have 3 +1's, so it isn't a huge deal | 22:24 |
| nhandler | Do I now just wait to be added to the team on LP? | 22:24 |
| jmarsden|work | x1250: Most likely you have a missing build dependency. Try dpkg -S /usr/share/filters/filters.svg.h to see what package installed that file on your machine, maybe? | 22:27 |
| x1250 | jmarsden|work, share/filters/ is inside inkscape svn checkout copy, but anyway I ran the command, but no results, the same with apt-file. | 22:30 |
| x1250 | the man says: | 22:32 |
| x1250 | intltool-update - updates PO template file and merge translations with it | 22:32 |
| jmarsden|work | x1250: Hmmm. I'd guess that you probably need to talk to the original develeopers... commenting out the internationalisation could leave you with a package that works fine only in USA/English locales, or something along those lines. | 22:32 |
| x1250 | jmarsden|work, I think they use a python script in share/filters | 22:32 |
| x1250 | i18n.py | 22:32 |
| x1250 | well, I have a spanish desktop here, so I'll check If I have any problems after the build, thanks for your time | 22:33 |
| jmarsden|work | x1250: Sure. I'm not familiar with inkscape at all... so either you decide you know it well enough to go for it, or contact the upstream folks who know all about that code... | 22:33 |
| geser | nhandler: yes, I guess dholbach will process it tomorrow (when he has read my (non-)voting) | 22:34 |
| nhandler | Thanks again geser | 22:34 |
| geser | thanks for your patience | 22:35 |
| hyperair | can anyone review my packages http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sigx and http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=codelite | 23:14 |
| hyperair | ? | 23:14 |
| x1250 | what would be the difficuly of building a inkscape-svn package, with no conflicting files (i.e different executable name, install dirs, etc) with inkscape main? | 23:32 |
| azeem | x1250: what purpose for? | 23:33 |
| azeem | or rather, what's the use-case? | 23:33 |
| x1250 | non for me, but some people have asked me for it, and I would like to learn how to do so too. | 23:36 |
| x1250 | azeem, that is. | 23:36 |
| azeem | well | 23:37 |
| azeem | what's the problem with providing updated package via a PPA? | 23:37 |
| azeem | do people want to install both at the same time? Is there a problem with migrating settings/options to/fro the svn version? | 23:37 |
| ScottK | azeem: As long as you're willing so support the users, then I don't think it's a major problem. | 23:38 |
| x1250 | azeem, I am using a PPA and I update inkscape like once a week in there. Uhm, maybe you have a good point there. | 23:38 |
| azeem | ScottK: well ok, just wondering whether the parallel-installable trouble is worth the benefit | 23:39 |
| azeem | if people can just revert to hardy/intrepid/jaunty if the PPA breaks, it's not a problem | 23:39 |
| ScottK | In general I think it's better for that reason. Downgrading is harder if it replaces the distro package. | 23:41 |
| x1250 | well, to be honest I just wanted to learn more about packaging, and this seemed like a good excuse :). Till now my experience has been "updating" existing packages, and this seemed to be a nice way to get to learn a little more, without creating a package from scratch. | 23:42 |
| x1250 | I'm an inkscape user myself, and thats why I'm packaging svn versions. | 23:43 |
| azeem | x1250: personally, I think getting this right is more difficult than a package from scratch | 23:44 |
| azeem | cause you need to think about user configuration (if there is any in inkscape, which I guess is the case), possible caches etc. as well | 23:44 |
| x1250 | well, in that case I guess I'll try doing a package from scratch. How can I search launchpad for programs are not currently packaged and people want them on jaunty? | 23:46 |
| mrooney | x1250: the tag 'needs-packaging' | 23:50 |
| x1250 | mrooney, great thanks | 23:50 |
| mrooney | x1250: have fun, there are a lot :) | 23:50 |
| x1250 | ok thanks, lol :) | 23:51 |
| serialorder | After merging eclipse 3.2.2-6 it FTBFS in pbuilder | 23:59 |
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