[00:17] mok0: pong [00:25] azeem: hi, do you have a few moments to discuss that IBM license? [00:25] sure [00:26] azeem: so I checked the gle source pkg, and it has exactly the same IBM license. [00:26] azeem: In fact, gle shouldn't be in Debian :-) [00:26] hrm, I had a look at it [00:27] azeem: The license text is flawed, I am pretty sure they meant to give you permission to modify & distribute [00:27] mok0: COPYING says: [00:27] Alternately, at your choosing, you may choose to accept the source [00:27] code and the man pages/documentation under the GPL: the GNU General [00:27] Public License version 2, as given below. [00:27] azeem: go in src/ and lookat COPYING.src [00:28] hrm [00:28] not sure which COPYING is the one which rules-them-all [00:29] azeem: to me it doesn't look like that... [00:30] azeem: COPYING.src says at the top: "The following agreement applies to the source code in this directory [00:30] only!" [00:30] ok, but the top-level COPYING says it's alternatively under the GPL [00:30] certainly some clarification would be fine [00:30] azeem: yes, but can the distributor just do that? I don't think so [00:30] btw, Carlos latest reply WRT source code from books is public domain is... werid [00:30] weird* [00:31] azeem: oh, I haven't seen that [00:31] mok0: you mean Carlos? [00:31] "Thanks a lot Morten, I will have a good look at this library, although I [00:31] think it would be ridiculous if I could not use a small piece of code [00:31] written and explained in a general purpose book. I believe the code is [00:31] essentially in the public domain... [00:31] azeem: yes, I haven't seen his mail yet [00:31] " [00:31] azeem: hmm. [00:32] azeem: He is probably right if he typed it from the book [00:32] well, if GLE is really double-licensed under the GPL as COPYING claims, Carlos and we are on the safe sid [00:32] e [00:32] mok0: I don't think so, unless the book is in the public domain as well, which I doubt [00:32] azeem: ok, but how do we persuade the release manager? [00:32] james_w`: Here? [00:33] mok0: offer beer. [00:33] mok0: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gle/ -> Details [00:33] License : GNU General Public License (GPL), Public Domain [00:33] * mok0 looks [00:33] that was clearly filled in by the authors/project admins [00:33] who is linas [00:33] so personally, I think the GLE issue is not a big problem [00:34] azeem: basically, the GLE folks just incorporated Linas' library [00:34] azeem: ah wait [00:35] azeem: he is the one maintaining it [00:35] right [00:35] so this should be safe, albeit clarification would be welcome [00:35] the other issue might be more severe I guess [00:35] btw, gl2ps is used in a couple of projects by now, I wonder whether it shouldn't be a library on its own, maybe [00:36] azeem: I think Carlos should just credit the GLE project then, and cite the LGPL license in his code [00:36] I think that's what he's going to do [00:36] see 49468E59.4050707@ist.utl.pt [00:36] azeem: wrt. Mark Kilgard's code it still needs to be settled [00:36] Subject: Re: Fwd: [Debichem-devel] gamgi_0.13.9-1_i386.changes REJECTED [00:36] yes [00:36] james_w`: I'm going to send some of your patches to Debian now, to speed the transition along [00:38] azeem: what is that 4946.... ? [00:38] a message-id [00:38] in which Carlos said he's going to credit the GLE project [00:39] Oh no, my package failed to install, apparently! [00:39] I fail. [00:39] "Regarding the GLE code, I changed the copyright notice, that now comes as [00:39] (in conformance with the GLE Sourceforge Details page): [00:39] " [00:39] azeem: ah, right [00:39] anyway, the GLE issue looks solved, or is at most an annoyance [00:39] azeem: yes [00:39] anyone for REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=metakit [00:39] we could remove the PS output [00:40] or hope Mark answers [00:40] azeem: that would be the final solution [00:40] actually, wait while the update gets processed [00:40] does anyone know if having a python app installed via setup.py --install, and then packaging it and attempting an install the package, cause it to fail? [00:41] azeem: Carlos is really responsive which makes things a lot easier... I am confident we can resolve the last problem [00:42] mrooney: It shouldn't if you use python-central [00:43] mok0: I'm writing a response to that now [00:43] btw, it's funny to read this in the GLE AUTHOS [00:43] AUTHOS* [00:43] bah [00:44] ok, the update hit [00:44] anyway: [00:44] Contributors: [00:44] Mark Kilgard formatted the man pages [00:44] if you are really nice, you can go REVU now [00:45] azeem: debian/copyright seems lacking [00:46] mok0: for gle? [00:46] azeem: yes [00:46] yeah [00:46] it doesn't mention the artistic license on the docs [00:46] it certainly wouldn't go through these days [00:47] azeem: probably not [00:47] azeem: which is not bad [00:48] I have to admit I was annoyed by the REJECT initially [00:49] but now I have to admit that Carlos was quite sloppy ehre [00:49] here* [00:49] sent the mail [00:49] azeem: I didn't catch the modification problem when I wrote the copyright. It's good that Frank did a careful job [00:50] azeem: We can't trust upstream to get it right [00:51] azeem: but Carlos seems determined to get it right, which is good for us [00:51] yeah [00:51] azeem: it also slipped by the ubuntu archive admin :-) [00:52] yeah, it wasn't obvious at all [00:52] but Frank only got appointed about a week ago, so I guess he's super-careful righ tnow [00:53] azeem: he's doing a good job. [00:54] mok0: but you would expect it to fail if I were using python-support? [00:55] mrooney: eerh.. no [00:56] mrooney: how "fail"? [00:58] mok0: well the first sign of error seems to be: "pycentral: pycentral pkginstall: not overwriting local files" [00:58] right after Unpacking..., Setting up... [00:59] mrooney: does the setup.py work by itself? [01:00] mok0: I am pretty sure, I can double check though [01:00] let me do that... [01:38] anyone feeling up to a REVU? === andrew__ is now known as asomething [01:48] mok0: yeah, I can run "sudo python setup.py install" as many times as I please without errors [02:01] mrooney: ... and the files end up where they should? [02:02] mok0: yup, it seems to run perfectly and get all the icons and such [02:02] mrooney: can you pastebin your debian/rules file? [02:05] sure! [02:07] mok0: http://pastebin.com/f328782bb [02:08] hm I just got an apport crash report for the .deb install but naturally I can't report it, I wonder if it still has useful information I can get [02:24] mrooney: What does setup.py look like? [02:27] ScottK-laptop: something approximately like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mrooney/wxbanker/0.4/annotate/88?file_id=setup.py-20081113200358-bni0acav33olhzf7-1 ! [02:29] mrooney: I did on one occasion have to set up a custom binary install rule with python setup.py install --root $(CURDIR)/debian/$BINARY_PACKAGE_NAME in it. [02:30] That installed it in the right place for building the package. [02:31] hmmmm [02:32] ScottK-laptop: I am not sure that I understand that :) [02:32] I am quite new to packaging, alas [02:32] The --root command tells setup.py where to install the package. [02:33] For a regular install, it knows by default and generally with CDBS it does for Debian packages. [02:33] It may be you've confused CDBS somehow and need to tell it. [02:35] Dunno if it's actually relevant to your problem or not, but what I ended up with was http://paste.ubuntu.com/85914/ [02:46] ScottK-laptop: what exactly...is that file? :) [02:57] That's part of my debian/rules. See the pymilter package if you want to see the whole thing. [02:59] mrooney: ^^ [03:00] Hey erbody [03:08] geser: ping [03:21] hi~!! [03:21] i wan to be MOTU [03:21] say hi~ [03:25] rosebuntu: topic ... there is where u start [03:26] anyone for REVUing? [03:30] i want to be MOTU [04:38] * ScottK notes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/NeedsPackagingBugs [04:38] * ScottK grumbles, not again. [04:49] ScottK-laptop: I am enclined to agree with you. === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl [06:54] good morning [07:01] Hi dholbach [07:01] hiya fabrice_sp [07:05] emgent, ping [07:07] Morning dholbach. [07:08] hiya iulian [07:08] Good morning world ! [07:09] hey Koon [07:09] Hello Daniel [07:11] Hi doko_ Could you have a look at bug #296466? [07:11] Launchpad bug 296466 in python-central "[Sync request] Please sync Python-central 0.6.8 from Debian Lenny" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296466 [07:16] emgent, it was about bug #283013. I've been contacted by upstream becaue he wants to make the packaging. Have to go now. CU later [07:16] Launchpad bug 283013 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] ProjectX - transcode video to streams" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283013 [07:16] bye [07:17] bad bug. Bug #279755 [07:17] Launchpad bug 279755 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] remastersys" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279755 [07:17] chao [08:02] lo [08:03] I fixed my package: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=lensfun can anybody take a look / endorse it? === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [09:27] in case my messages didn't get through earlier - please review my packages "codelite" http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=codelite and "sigx" http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sigx [09:33] are any of them mono packages? [09:43] hello, I just updated my package. please review: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mbpurple [09:53] 3 new sync bugs for today [09:53] directhex, need ACKs? [09:54] NCommander, that'd be nice! [09:54] links? [09:56] links? [09:56] er [09:56] ... [09:56] bug 308500 bug 308497 bug... bollocks, can't find the last one, it's a new package [09:56] Launchpad bug 308500 in gbrainy "Please sync gbrainy 1.00-2 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308500 [09:56] Launchpad bug 308497 in monodevelop "Please sync monodevelop 1.0+dfsg-4 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308497 [09:56] where does requestsync hide new package bugs? === Sp4rKy is now known as Guest46561 === Guest46561 is now known as Sp4rKy [10:01] found it. bug 308498 [10:01] Launchpad bug 308498 in ubuntu "Please sync banshee-extension-mirage 0.4.0-3 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308498 [10:03] wc [10:19] directhex: meehh, need to wait until a server has it to testbuild. Are MD and banshee urgent? because you know, they will be autosynced the next few days .. [10:20] sebner, autosynced from experimental? [10:20] nope [10:20] directhex: ah, I know I missed something ^^ [10:20] * sebner winks pochu =) [10:22] hey sebner :) [10:56] directhex: ACKed your stuff =) [10:58] cheers [10:59] need to fastsyncmergething sublib at some point today, so i can sync gnome-subtitles [10:59] directhex: also joined MOTU-Mono group so I'll be the first one to ACK your bugs :P [10:59] hurrah [11:12] directhex, archive admins can't do fast syncs, you need to make a debdiff and do it through standard sponsoring [11:16] NCommander, yeah, i know. hence it's on my TODO, i'm not just making sebner do it [11:16] BTW, sebner, welcome to MOTU (belated :-)) [11:16] NCommander, how would you do the changelog - a fresh -0sync0 entry above the -1? or change the -1? or... [11:17] NCommander: heh, thx :) [11:17] I usually put the entry above the old one. I recommend just using 0build0. s comes after u, it might not work correctly [11:17] (if you do it right, debuild will through a warning that the newest changelog is older the the previous one) [11:18] or use dpkg --comapare-versions [11:18] s/through/throw/g [11:18] or that [11:21] s comes after u? [11:21] aptitude reinstall alphabet [11:22] s t u [11:22] nope ;) [11:44] please help review iptux 0.4.3-0ubuntu1: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=4268, thanks === _jason is now known as jrib [12:37] NCommander, so i should file the orig/dsc/diff against the non-existent package's LP page, or against "ubuntu"? [12:38] oh, crap, it will get stuck in the Ubuntu NEW queue [12:38] Then again, ours is moving [12:38] yeah, i know. ubuntu NEW isn't something you need a sleeping bag for IME [12:38] Shove it on REVU, its going to need to be peered reviewed [12:39] * NCommander thinks [12:39] I need an archive admin [12:39] gah, it's not even my package [13:04] StevenK: mind looking at bug 303245? It has been processed, but it didn't appear on Intrepid yet. [13:04] Launchpad bug 303245 in intrepid-backports "Please backport amule-adunanza" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/303245 [13:04] I remember doing that one [13:04] * StevenK prods cocoplum [13:06] DktrKranz: Yeah, source NEW in intrepid-backports. Accepted [13:07] * DktrKranz hugs StevenK [13:07] DktrKranz: :-) [13:08] DktrKranz: It will probably hit binary NEW after it builds, but I'll be sleeping. [13:09] StevenK: no problem. If it's not a problem for you, I'll bother you in a couple of days, or I'll wait for regular NEW processing. [13:09] DktrKranz: It doesn't show up in the usual NEW queue, you need to look for it [15:03] Heya gang [15:06] Heya bddebian. [15:07] Heya ScottK [15:14] In debdiffs, are changes to config.{sub,guess} supposed to be there? (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20280134/nss-updatedb_10-1ubuntu2.debdiff) [15:15] directhex: thanks [15:15] hm? [15:16] directhex: for fixing the double build :P [15:16] it's not perfect, but we'll worry about the fine detail later [15:20] I fixed the critique on my package: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=lensfun [15:23] hi, I updated my package: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=pdfshuffler, it is warning-free now. [15:24] bobbo: no, that's likely due to a broken debian/rules [15:25] pochu: so they should be removed in "clean"? [15:31] bobbo: yes [15:31] either removed or restored to their previous state === Guest7 is now known as WelshDragon [15:59] is there is a way to use external binary package in a package? [16:00] what do you mean? [16:00] y3ne i built a debian package for gsopcast [16:01] it need "sp-sc-auth" a binary app required by this application [16:03] so ? [16:04] pochu, ? [16:05] Extend: debian/control has a Depends file where you can mention your package dependency [16:05] yes [16:05] i know but there is no package contains the binary file sp-sc-auth [16:08] you cannot depend on a package that does not exist then :) [16:08] :'( [16:08] i'm searching for sp-sc-auth src [16:09] but no luck [16:45] If a package build-depends on a patchsys and has all the patchsys commands in debian/rules but doesnt actually have any patches (no debian/patches dir), should you remove all the patchsys stuff from the package? [16:45] bobbo: no, you can leave it there [16:46] i'd leave it [16:46] for the future! [16:47] hehe, thanks guys :) [16:50] mok0: re bug 271835, xtide-coastline has been introduced in Debian (and autosynced in Intrepid), so I guess xtide-wvs1-data (Ubuntu local package) is no longer necessary, am I right? [16:50] Launchpad bug 271835 in xtide-wvs1-data "package xtide-wvs1-data None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/xtide-wvs1-data.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/xtide-wvs/wvs1.dat', which is also in package xtide-coastline" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271835 [16:50] DktrKranz: yes it can be killed [16:51] mok0: great, I'll ask for removal, unless you want to do it yourself [16:51] DktrKranz: If you want the karma, please go ahead :-) [16:53] mok0: Launchpad karma is low, I think I gained a much higher "karma" from Real Life (tm). Thanks ;) [16:53] :-) === `Chris is now known as Chrizlja === dfiloni is now known as devfil [17:19] Hmm, what's a .ddeb file? [17:25] mok0, a file with debug symbols for a package [17:26] superm1: thanks. I've never met one of those before.. [18:10] geser: any idea why java toolchain on hppa is broken? [18:17] directhex: before I get in touch with upstream again, have you tried if the gbrainy .deb works fine? [18:18] (I can't test it here because of the libc version.. *sigh*) [18:20] Is it mandatory to mention maintainer field change in debian/changelog? [18:20] slytherin: Actually, you don't need to. [18:20] slytherin: not anymore [18:21] iulian: RainCT: that is what I was hoping for. :-) [18:21] It's mentioned in the Ubuntu policy, if I'm not wrong. [18:21] slytherin: Actually it's highly discouraged. [18:21] iulian: It is. [18:22] ScottK: It was encouraged at some point of time in past, right? [18:22] slytherin: indeed, many sponsors requried it [18:22] Yes. [18:23] slytherin: no idea, and I was busy the last weeks so I'm not really up-to-date, I just manage to keep up to not get totally lost this cycle [18:24] geser: I guess I will have to ask doko. [18:25] who manages the ftbfs page? the LP urls for packages are broken? [18:26] wgrant is probably a good victim ^H^H^H^H^H^H person to talk to. === darius12 is now known as pktoss [19:06] calc: Do you plan to upload the fixes to various java libraries as specified in bug 305790, or are you waiting for Debian to do the fixes? [19:06] Launchpad bug 305790 in suitesparse "MIR - move to main for openoffice.org 3 build-depends" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/305790 [19:07] slytherin: i'm patching them and submitting to debian (via my debian.org address) and will be uploading them to ubuntu soon after [19:07] since i'm not a part of the debian java team i'm not uploading them directly to debian [19:08] calc: I can commit then to debian-java svn if you can sponsor them. [19:08] slytherin: are you part of debian-java team? [19:09] * calc wasn't 100% certain he was patching them the way the debian java team would want [19:09] calc: yes, but I am not developer so someone needs to sponsor the packages. [19:09] also debian is in a freeze so wasn't sure if it should be uploaded currently [19:09] calc: I believe it can be uploaded to unstable. As all the packages are blocked from entering into testing. [19:10] ok [19:10] calc: But even in that case I guess the processing will take loads of time. I suggest that we first do the changes in Ubuntu and then commit them one by one in Debian. [19:11] calc: I can help in doing changes in Ubuntu. [19:12] slytherin: shouldn't take me too much time to get the rest done [19:12] slytherin: i've done the changes then debdiff it and submit the bug to debian with the patch with the ubuntu specific bits stripped out [19:12] calc: Ok. Let me know if you need help. Meanwhile I am fixing other FTBFS. [19:13] ok [19:13] slytherin: if i run into anything non-obvious i'll let you know :) [19:13] sure [19:17] Hey all [19:18] slytherin: Ehem, sorry. I shouldn't edit that page when asked late at night at UDS, it seems. [19:19] wgrant: no issues. I was just checking if anyone knew it was broken [19:19] Elitest_: hi [19:28] what are we supposed to do about the bugs in a package for which upstream is not traceable? [19:28] Fix them. [19:29] If upstream is dead/vanished, the package is unreasonably broken, it's not reasonably fixable, then it's time for removal. [19:34] ScottK: there is an app for configuring airport (as in Apple airport) base stations. It works with java 5 but not with 6. Even if I somehow fix it. I am not sure where to forward patches. [19:35] there is no upstream bug tracker even ? [19:36] ScottK: comming back for more BBQ this season ? :) [19:37] imbrandon: the only upstream reference I could find is in debian/copyright and that page no longer exists. [19:38] imbrandon: For a short visit, yes. [19:38] slytherin: i would google a bit then, if no luck, just put the patches in ubuntu and maybe blog about it, then someone "might" pickup and make a "new" upstream tracker at google code or sf or something [19:39] also pass them to debian of course [19:39] imbrandon: I will try. [19:39] ScottK-desktop: sweet, we should catch some bbq again if you have time this trip :) [19:40] my 30th bday is friday :) [19:40] lol [19:40] hello :) I am looking for someone who could make a launchpad account "ubuntero" - it got approved this morning. who should I speak to? (the case is a bit - special) [19:41] i think you just need to sign the CoC for it to become ubuntero if i rember correctly [19:41] I don't remember an approval process either. [19:41] I presume that's where the "special" bit comes in [19:41] mmh not ubuntero then, maybe i wanted to say ubuntu member? [19:41] it's basically to be able to add a feed to the planet [19:42] ahh ok thats diffrent, the person / team that approved you will take care of it, normaly takes 24 hours or so [19:42] or did [19:42] the "special" tag being, it's for a corporate blog, following this : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu/CorporateBlogs and the meeting from this morning === dfiloni is now known as devfil [19:42] and I just created the launchpad account, so I guess nobody will approve it :) [19:43] I think this may be the first corporate launchpad account in fact... [19:43] i doubt that :) [19:44] maybe the first solely for a blog :) [19:44] good then I didn't totally messed up with creating the account, i wasn't sure :) [19:44] anyhow processes is still the same, you goto whomever approved your membership and tell them the LP account name [19:44] it's not solely for a blog, PPA will be good. [19:45] well they didnt approve the account, they approved blog membership - is that the same thing? [19:45] then that person(s) will pass the info to the TB and the TB will eventiualy make your LP account part of the team [19:46] yann2: not exactly, they only approve membership, blogs and ppa and @ubuntu.com email and such are all "perks" that come with membership [19:46] actually I think sabfdl approved me, wish me good luck to try to catch him... I'll see if I can find anyone a bit more accessible [19:47] it would have been a team yann2 , one sabdfl was likely part of like CC or such [19:47] imbrandon > I went through the community council though, not the usual approval process, with that request: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda/talk [19:47] what meeting did you attend ? [19:47] see I told you it was a bit special ;) [19:47] CC meeting, 11am this morning [19:47] right, then in this case email the CC and inform them of the LP account [19:48] they only approve membership, blogs and ppa and @ubuntu.com email and such are all "perks" that come with membership [19:48] right, you got an email for the CC? [19:48] I know, being a member myself... [19:48] one sec [19:50] https://launchpad.net/~communitycouncil/+members [19:51] and i "think" communitycouncil@ubuntu.com works as an alias to email the whole team, i could be wrong though [19:52] imbrandon: PPA is for everyone [19:52] Everyone that likes crack :) [19:54] RainCT: right right [19:54] trying to pm them first... we'll see if I am lucky... [19:54] ahhh yann2 [19:54] damn [19:54] after reading that wiki page [19:55] it looks like "you" are the corperate sponsor [19:55] soooo [19:55] calc: did you intentionally add ${misc:Depends} to dependency of jtidy? [19:55] well pretty much yes :) [19:55] that LP account would not add the feed to the bzr branch, you would [19:55] well that's the tricky bit [19:55] why? [19:55] what if I want to open my own blog? :( [19:56] sure, you can add anything to the bzr branch as a member [19:56] or maybe i can add two blogs then? [19:56] your just sponsoring the corp blog too [19:56] yes [19:56] riiiight. yes that makes sense then :) [19:56] you can add 5,10,100000 as long as they abide by the rules and are approved etc [19:56] calc: AFAIK, ${misc:Depends} is unnecessary for java packages. [19:57] are there any, approved moral persons? [19:57] we've not been huuuge contributors so far, but my little finger tells me that may arrive one day. [19:57] huh ? [19:59] slytherin: it clears up the lintian warnings about using debhelper without using its replacement variables [19:59] slytherin: i suppose if you don't want lintian clean packaging it can be dropped [19:59] overides :) [20:00] * imbrandon ducks [20:00] Hi. Anyone wanting to review dvdstyler (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=dvdstyler)? [20:00] calc: I believe that variable is redundant for java packages. And I am sure lintian is not very smart about java packages. [20:00] calc: and warning != error. :-) [20:01] how are things in java land today? [20:01] directhex: openjdk has replaced GCJ as default java on almost all arch. :-) [20:02] directhex: and calc is working in putting some java libs in main as they are build deps for OOo3. [20:03] but not runtime deps? [20:03] well its not using openjdk but default-jre so if gcj is still default somewhere it will use that [20:03] most platforms default-jre == openjdk [20:04] calc: That is what I meant. for most arch default-jre = openjdk [20:04] geser: I have finally decided to log bug about libjboss-web-services-java issue. I got no reply on mailing list as well as #debian-java on OFTC. [20:05] btw anyone know how to make evolution redirect draft/sent to imap folders in intrepid? [20:05] it seems to just be outright broken [20:06] anyway imbrandon thanks for your help ;) I am a bit more enlightened now. [20:06] it's a bit scary to blog on the planet ubuntu as representative of an enterprise, hope it'll be alright :) [20:06] how successful is the "ignore it and it'll go away" strategy for packages? [20:10] directhex: huh ? [20:10] * directhex is wondering whether to give up on an evil package & request removal from the debian archive [20:10] ahh lol [20:10] slytherin: misc depends is not actually used for any packages right now, but is being pre-deployed for all packages using debhelper for in the future when it may be smart enough to add depends. [20:11] ScottK: I thought python packages used it. [20:11] slytherin: No, python:Depends [20:13] ScottK: it is still redundant if that is the only lintian warning, IMHO. [20:13] slytherin: It's unneeded up until it's not. [20:14] :) [20:15]