[02:20] <yotux> can I do a lvm install from the livecd?
[02:21] <yotux> !lvm
[02:21] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about lvm
[02:41] <tritium> Good evening.
[03:43] <culinarian> how do I go about editing my hosts file... get "Can't open file to write!" message when I try to save changes?
[03:45] <hads> How are you trying to edit it?
[03:46] <culinarian> I just dbl clk on the hosts file in the file mgr.
[03:46] <hads> And I assume you mean /etc/hosts ?
[03:46] <culinarian> yes
[03:47] <hads> Press Alt+F2 and type; gksu gedit /etc/hosts
[03:50] <culinarian> *slightly confused* did it just reopen the editor with permissions?
[03:51] <hads> Yes, that gave you root permissions, which you need to edit that file.
[03:52] <hads> Try not to break things ;)
[03:52] <culinarian> should I have closed the file previously and reopened it, if not, I still can't save
[04:01] <culinarian> hads? no luck.. :(
[04:01] <hads> That will work.
[04:02] <hads> Yes, you should have closed gedit
[04:02] <culinarian> I don't believe it's gedit... I think it's mousepad
[04:03] <culinarian> yup, mousepad
[04:03] <hads> What is mousepad?
[04:03] <culinarian> do I need to install gedit? apparently mousepad is the text editor for Xfce
[04:04] <hads> Oh okay, then do; gksu mousepad /etc/hosts
[04:04] <culinarian> it's the default open with for text and editable files
[04:04] <culinarian> ok, I'll do that then
[04:04] <hads> I don't use the mythbuntu desktop
[04:05] <culinarian> this is a learning machine for me.. so if I break something.. I'll just wipe and reinstall
[04:05] <culinarian> nothing vital on here
[04:05] <hads> What are you trying to do in /etc/hosts?
[04:06] <culinarian> following a how to for adding permanent shares at boot
[04:07] <culinarian> http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/2005/11/28/howto-use-cifs-instead-of-smbfs/
[04:07] <culinarian> like I said, learning as I go
[04:07] <hads> Since you're learning; 'gksu' is a GUI frontend to 'sudo' which is a program to give you super user (root) privlidges. 'sudo' is Super User Do
[04:08] <culinarian> I guessed thats what the su was. how is it GUI though? or is it the fact that it allows you to launch GUI programs as su?
[04:09] <hads> OK, no problem with adding a host to the hosts file. I only mentioned the breaking thing as if you edit the hostname of your local box you can potentially lock yourself out.
[04:10] <culinarian> yeah, I already found out there's no root on mythbuntu apparently but I haven't delved into the sudo stuff much yet
[04:10] <culinarian> thanks for the help. I'll be back when I break something :D
[04:10] <hads> GUI as in it will pop up a GUI for you to enter your password. You also should use it rather than the command line 'sudo' when running graphical apps so that your environment is setup properly.
[04:10] <hads> No problem.
[07:14]  * cann yawns
[07:14] <cann> morning
[07:23] <Cool_Nick> Im new to mythtv.  I have a card that Xawtv and VLC work with.  Its 4 composites in using a bt878 chip.  I tried setting it up with a fake source and no source. backend complains about getting/setting channels.  (My card is composite, no channels)
[07:56] <Cool_Nick> well, the new error is the same but also no sources
[08:22] <Cool_Nick> hmm go tit to the point where screen goes black and freezes
[08:33] <Cool_Nick> hmm, the machine now loads up to freeze as mythtv loads up automatically
[08:34] <Cool_Nick> I think the only thing I changed that matterred was the external command for source, I set to echo
[14:10] <Cool_Nick> I messed something up last night, and was wondering how to put settings to defaults (messed up as it freezes my machien now when software loads...which is on boot-up)
[14:14] <jphillip> Cool_Nick should be able to purge the db and reinstall it
[14:16] <jphillip> can do this either with dpgk or with synaptic, whatever you prefer
[14:17] <jphillip> package should be mythtv-database, and it may remove some of the other mythtv packages, so backup anything you'd like to keep
[14:40] <Cool_Nick> do you know how I can load it up with out the mythtv software loading.  when it loads the machien crashes
[15:22] <Cool_Nick> Having problems getting my bt878 card working.  It works for other programs not myth tv.  Ive set it up to either complain about not being able to set a channel or to freeze on a black screen with watch tv.
[15:27] <Cool_Nick> BTW...My card does NOT have a tuner
[15:41] <frink_> hey
[15:41] <frink_> myth assumes you have the card connected to something that DOES have a tuner
[15:41] <frink_> like a sat or cable receiver. It'd then use IR blaster to change channels on that.
[15:42] <frink_> So the external tuner will have channels and the bt878 card will be used to digitise that video and get it into myth.
[15:43] <Cool_Nick> Then how do I find out what myths real problem is?
[15:43] <Cool_Nick> ...with my card.  The onyl errors I saw were about the tuner
[16:10] <fabbione> hi
[16:10] <superm1> !hi
[16:10] <Zinn> Hi $nick, how are you?  Something we can help you with today?
[16:10] <fabbione> eheh
[16:11] <fabbione> superm1: wishlist request for mythvideo
[16:11] <fabbione> superm1: would it make sense to split mtd in a separate package with a proper init script?
[16:11] <fabbione> mtd being the transcode daemon stuff
[16:11] <superm1> fabbione, why?
[16:12] <fabbione> because I have a super fast machine to do encoding
[16:12] <fabbione> but i don't want to install full frontend
[16:12] <fabbione> only what's required to encode
[16:12] <superm1> can it be configured/used though without the frontend?
[16:13] <fabbione> no, but it can live on a separate machine
[16:13] <fabbione> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MTD#Forwarding_MythFrontend_to_a_remote_MTD
[16:14] <fabbione> frontend don't need a lot of horse powers
[16:14] <superm1> seems like a corner case to be doing that for
[16:14] <fabbione> maybe...
[16:14] <superm1> especially since you need to use xinetd and all
[16:14] <fabbione> well that's an example
[16:14] <fabbione> there are tons of ways to do tcp tunnelling
[16:14] <superm1> but i mean the fact that you have to tunnel it
[16:15] <fabbione> even without xinet
[16:15] <superm1> that you can't just use a remote mtd from the UI
[16:15] <fabbione> the UI is only missing the IP address part of it
[16:15] <fabbione> so my idea was to just split mtd into its own package
[16:15] <fabbione> so i can decide where to isntall it
[16:15] <fabbione> and how to run it
[16:16] <superm1> sure. well if you want to propose a patch to the packaging to do so i wont be entirely opposed.  if/when upstream splits it out with options in the UI for remote, i'd split it myself in packaging then
[16:18] <fabbione> superm1: i am fine to wait for upstream. it was just a suggestion/wishlist :)
[16:41] <fabbione> btw.. the packages in Intrepid looks really really shiny
[16:42] <fabbione> i have 2 backends and 2 frontends working here right now
[16:42] <fabbione> only glitch being a couple of kernel drivers that don't work properly yet
[16:42] <fabbione> but i am fixing those :)
[16:42] <superm1> they're getting shinier in jaunty too.
[16:42] <superm1> trying to cover more corner cases during install
[16:42] <fabbione> i won't run jaunty for now
[16:42] <fabbione> not on those machines
[16:42] <superm1> dont blame you :)
[16:43] <fabbione> keep in mind i do raw install here
[16:43] <superm1> i only run it on one machine, and that's just because its a dev type of machine
[16:43] <fabbione> i don't use any of those tasks or live cd or anything
[16:43] <fabbione> isntall bare server
[16:43] <fabbione> apt-get isntall xorg
[16:43] <fabbione> apt-get install mythtv-bits
[16:43] <fabbione> that's ll
[16:43] <fabbione> all the config is done manually
[16:44] <superm1> why?  you miss the nicer features that do config for you then?
[16:44] <fabbione> there is no way on earth that you can hit what I have here
[16:44] <fabbione> i promise you that :)
[16:44] <superm1> well other than the ones that are more of frontends for debconf
[16:44] <superm1> alright...
[16:44] <fabbione> stuff like Live cd doesn't handle raid or lvm (unless they fixed that recently)
[16:45] <fabbione> and with 8TB storage on the main backend, I can't just do single disks :)
[16:45] <fabbione> superm1: for instance.. does your "installer" etc. handle with dvb adapter renames?
[16:45] <superm1> unfortunately LVM and RAID still aren't entering for the jaunty live disks either.  it's not a priority for the foundations team (who does the core of the installer we use) until there are good tools for administering it off of command line
[16:46] <superm1> other than command line i mean
[16:46] <fabbione> yeah i know
[16:46] <fabbione> no worried.. i am not blaming you
[16:46] <superm1> dvb adapter renames?  you mean via udev rules?
[16:46] <fabbione> superm1: no.. for example I have 4 DVB-S and 3 DVB-T cards in one of my backends
[16:47] <fabbione> _often_ they all start as dvb-s1 dvb-s2... dvb-t1.. etc
[16:47] <fabbione> sometimes there is race at boot
[16:47] <superm1> oh yuck
[16:47] <fabbione> and dvb-t1 becomes adapter0
[16:47] <fabbione> so all of that stuff requires manual work :)
[16:47] <superm1> so udev rules really would be a good idea for those things anyway
[16:47] <fabbione> i thought about it
[16:48] <fabbione> but for now i am happy enough to do manual
[16:48] <fabbione> plus that machine is not going to be rebooted any time soon for testing ;)
[16:49] <fabbione> anyway.. thanks for the nice work guys
[16:49] <fabbione> it's appreciated
[16:49] <fabbione> now.. back to kernel dvb hacking
[16:49] <fabbione> need to fix 2/3 frontneds init race
[16:50] <superm1> have fun :)
[16:51] <fabbione> thanks
[16:56] <MythbuntuGuest38> Hello, I just recently installed MythBuntu 8.10.  I have gui up and running however runing Applications > Mutltimedia > MythTV front end Gives, "No UpNP backends Found"  I have tried starting and stoping myslq/mythbackend and a combination of both.  Looking throught the forums it seems that some people have same issues but no direct respone.  THe "SOLVED" issues realating to this UPNP message is not from a fresh install. An
[16:57] <superm1> !permissions
[16:57] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about permissions
[16:58] <superm1> psh what's that one that Zinn says about /var/log/mythtv/
[16:58] <superm1> !logs
[16:58] <Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use Mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[16:58] <superm1> yeah.  odds are the tail of one of those logs will tell you
[16:59] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest38, so run mythbuntu-log-grabber
[16:59] <MythbuntuGuest38> ok its now posted
[17:00] <MythbuntuGuest38> the link is http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f6e36583b
[17:01] <superm1> so something's wrong with your database
[17:01] <superm1> try dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database.  if you have a root mysql password be sure to enter it.  if you dont, then dont enter one :)
[17:05] <MythbuntuGuest38> ok i ran dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[17:06] <MythbuntuGuest38> ok that looks better mythtrv frount end is giving me main menu
[17:06] <MythbuntuGuest38> weird i wonder what happened, this was fresh install
[17:06] <MythbuntuGuest38> with pretty much defaults
[17:07] <MythbuntuGuest38> but thank you!
[17:14] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest38, did you have any non alphanumeric characters in your root mysql password?
[17:14] <superm1> if so, that might have been the root cause here, and i've got a solution for jaunty i'm trying out
[17:15] <MythbuntuGuest38> no they were all letters
[17:15] <superm1> hm so must have been something else
[17:15] <superm1> you installed from the live cd though?
[17:18] <MythbuntuGuest38> Correct, alhtough not from live enviroment
[17:19] <superm1> er so you used the alternate cd?
[17:19] <superm1> or the live cd
[17:20] <MythbuntuGuest38> Does the alternate cd have an option to boot into live enviroment?
[17:20] <superm1> no it doesnt.  but if you use the alternate (text installer), that's exactly why this came up
[17:20] <superm1> there's a bug with it that you have to manually do this step post install
[17:21] <superm1> we're getting rid of that alternate cd for the next release for that reason
[17:21] <MythbuntuGuest38> Ok yes than that was my issue, I only had the text install
[17:22] <MythbuntuGuest38> glad that will be fixed
[17:22] <MythbuntuGuest38> I didnt see that bug looking through fourms
[17:22] <MythbuntuGuest38> nor on a sticky or anythign
[17:24] <superm1> it might be in the documentation, if not, it should be :)
[17:25] <MythbuntuGuest38> Lol, well thank you
[17:53] <linux-hdtv> Hi, is there a graphics card with mp4/mkv accelleration for linux ?
[17:56] <superm1> linux-hdtv, there is experimental support entering nvidia cards that will accelerate H264
[17:56] <superm1> but those are both containers you referred to
[17:57] <superm1> they may contain H264, xvid, divx, etc
[17:58] <linux-hdtv> thanks, superm1. is this a proprietary driver for new cards ?
[17:59] <superm1> linux-hdtv, yeah google for VDPAU and you can read a little more about it
[17:59] <superm1> it's only going to be supported in mythtv 0.22 and later (unreleased at this point)
[17:59] <superm1> currently though, alot of those same cards support mpeg2 acceleration that you can use with 0.21 and later
[18:00] <linux-hdtv> for windows, support is already there, right ? ATI with UVD2 and Nvidia with VP2, accelleration for decoding and encoding.
[18:02] <superm1> i dont follow it on windows, sorry
[18:02] <linux-hdtv> how are people watching compressed HDTV files ? with dedicated CPUs ?
[18:02] <superm1> according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU it's the same of DxVA on windows
[18:03] <superm1> at this point yes for third party files.  most people using myth record their files in MPEG2 however, and since MPEG2 is accelerated just keep them in that format
[18:04] <linux-hdtv> i see. i watch mostly files exchanged on p2p.
[18:06] <linux-hdtv> the advantage is only one capper is needed, and much more space for an extended archive.
[18:07] <linux-hdtv> i guess you use TV displays mainly ?
[18:07] <superm1> yes
[18:07] <superm1> this project is centered more around tv recording, whereas a project like xbmc or elisa probably makes more sense for you
[18:09] <linux-hdtv> i'm on the cheaper computer displays. problem is they mostly have the PSU integrated, and they make disturbing humming noises just in front of your face.
[18:09] <linux-hdtv> i wonder if it would be difficult to extract it and place it on the floor.
[19:31] <culinarian1> so if I tried to mount network shares with smb, cifs and then ssh, will they cause conflicts with each other?? the closest I got to getting a network folder to mount was with ssh but it returned "connection reset by peer" msg.
[21:46] <Cool_Nick> Is it possible to use an input without a tuner card?  I can't seem to get around it.
[22:09] <dashcloud> how would you get anything in without a tuner card?
[23:08] <tgm4883_laptop> Cool_Nick, what input are you trying to use?