[00:35] <zoopster> jmedina: I thought hp changed it to novell's edirectory...they changed all of their IDM stuff to Novell's IDM
[00:47] <jmedina> zoopster: nop, they tried to change fist in 2004, but they couldnt because openldap didn fit the requirements
[00:47] <jmedina> zoopster: and with help o symas they migrated to openldap in 2008
[00:47] <jmedina> thereis a presentation about it
[02:52] <jjesse> hrmm for some reason my membership in ubuntu-server lapsed :(
[03:39] <Fishscene> Hello everyone, I have what I hope to be a simple question. I have just installed Ubuntu server via cdrom. After install, I am unable to see the contents of any cdrom I place in the drive.
[03:40] <Deeps> have you remembered to mount the cd?
[03:40] <Fishscene> How do I mount the cd?
[03:40] <Deeps> by default, mount /cdrom
[03:41] <Fishscene> oy.
[03:41] <Deeps> you'll also need to umount /cdrom before it'll allow you to eject the disc
[03:41] <Fishscene> I've tried all kinds of ways to mount the cdrom
[03:41] <Deeps> cd /media/
[03:41] <Deeps> ls
[03:41] <Fishscene> mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom, etc..
[03:41] <Deeps> mount /media/cdrom should do the job too
[03:41] <Fishscene> It didn't
[03:42] <Fishscene> But the command you gave me worked.
[03:43] <Fishscene> Thanks :)
[03:45] <Deeps> np
[04:20]  * genii puts on a pot of coffee
[07:17] <lukehasnoname> Is there a server meeting tomorrow or Wednesday?
[07:17] <lukehasnoname> *tuesday or wednesday
[07:39] <Koon> I think we have one today
[08:17] <MTecknology> Which version(s) of Ubuntu Server Edition do you use?
[08:18] <MTecknology> 8.10 isn't listed
[08:18] <MTecknology> err.... this one is out of date, isn't it
[08:18] <Oliber> 8.04.1 LTS
[08:19] <Oliber> is what i use for production
[08:19] <_ruben> 8.10 out of date? its 2.5 months old :p
[08:19] <_ruben> err 1.5month even
[08:20] <MTecknology> ....
[08:20] <MTecknology> 9.04 isn't on there either
[08:21] <_ruben> april 2009 is in the future
[08:21] <_ruben> its in development at the moment
[08:22] <_ruben> and where's "on there" ?
[08:23] <MTecknology> survey.ubuntu.com
[08:24] <_ruben> ah
[08:24] <_ruben> contact the survey maintainers, i guess there's an email address or bugtracker link listed somewhere
[08:25] <_ruben> copy/pasting questions from a survey into an irc channel is quite confusing btw
[08:25] <MTecknology> sorry
[09:12] <xp_prg> hi all, a little bit of a newbie, how can I configure security updates please?
[09:28] <Sookie> hi
[09:28] <Sookie> I have a problem that I can't figure out how to sort out. I managed to get the VPN PPT connection to work in Intrepid at home. However at the office it does'nt connect. Starting in XP or using another computer in the same office network (XP) it is possible to connect, however when I start my computer in Linux it doesn't. The only diference between home and the office is that at the office we have a VPN PPTP server with the PP
[09:28] <Sookie> TP protocol ports forwarded to it; However if this is the reason, why the others computers or mine in XP can connect? Can you help me please?
[09:39] <Oliber> do you know which firewall product they're using at work?
[09:53] <Sookie> Oliber, I am actually the network administrator, and I have total access to the router, which is using now DW-RT software
[09:54] <Sookie> Oliber, the computers are all connected directly to the network (router), no proxy or firewall in the middle
[09:54] <Oliber> is the router NATting?
[09:54] <Sookie> yes it is
[09:54] <Sookie> in fact, it is forwarding 1723 port to the VPN server which is actually installed ina Ubuntu Server computer
[09:55] <Oliber> becuase most of the time, you can have lots of PPTP going in one direction
[09:55] <Sookie> butm whay is this happenign only in Ubuntu?
[09:55] <Oliber> and none in the opposite direction, at the same time
[09:56] <Sookie> I mean, when I start up my laptop in XP no problem, however if I startup in Ubuntu I get no connection in VPN, and when I start up my laptop in Ubuntu AT home, I get connected
[09:56] <Sookie> ?
[09:56] <Sookie> So the routing should not be a problem, right?
[09:57] <Oliber> if it's on the same subnet/ip then yeah, thats a bit odd :s
[09:59] <Sookie> Yes,the router is doing DHCP, so whichever is the SO a startup with, I get automatically the IP. In fact now I am writing you this in UBuntu connected to the router, but no VPN is possible
[09:59] <Sookie> However if I restart now this same computer in XP, I can get connected to the VPN, and if I move this computer to home, I can connect to the VPN using Ubuntu¿?
[09:59] <Sookie> How can I track this problem? I really need the VPN to work
[10:01] <Sookie> I thought that since I was port forwarding 1723 to the Ubuntu Server, somehow it is not good for another UBuntu computer in the same network¿?
[10:01] <Sookie> is that possible?
[10:23] <Sookie> Oliber, it works now
[10:24] <Sookie> Oliber, I didn't do anything, just the new updates icon started to blink at the bottom and I donwloaded the propossed 35 packages, I restarted and here we go, the VPN gets connected now ¿?¿¿?
[10:25] <Sookie> This is the time to say : "What the hell..??"
[10:27] <Koon> Sookie: you were using network-manager on the Ubuntu client ?
[10:28]  * Koon reads backlog
[10:29] <Koon> ah ok, port redirection to a server...
[10:29] <Koon> hm, strange :)
[10:31] <Deeps> Sookie: sounds like there was a bug that was fixed in your updates?
[10:32] <perlmonkey> hi guys, I think I accidently screwed my server during an upgrade from shell.. I'm trying to remove exim4 and replace with postfix, but getting a whole load of dependency issues related to exim4-daemon-light after exim4 is removed
[10:32] <perlmonkey> any suggestions? am I looking at a complete reinstall of OS?
[10:33] <Sookie> Koon, Yes I am using Network manager
[10:33] <Sookie> Deeps, yes it sounds, but in that case Why was it working at home???
[10:33] <perlmonkey> http://pastebin.com/m4466936b
[10:34] <Sookie> In fact, there is a big entry in launchpad about networkmanager-pptp!!! but all related to make te VPN to work, however I already managed this..my problem was that was only wokring at home's nework
[10:34] <Sookie> and now after the updates it magicaally started to work!
[10:35] <perlmonkey>  sudo apt-get remove exim4-base: The following packages have unmet dependencies.  exim4-daemon-light: Depends: exim4-base (>= 4.69) but it is not going to be installed
[10:36] <perlmonkey> sudo apt-get remove exim4-daemon-light:  exim4-base: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request:  exim4-daemon-light depends on exim4-base (>= 4.69).
[10:36] <perlmonkey> dpkg: error processing exim4-base (--remove):  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 3 Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:36] <perlmonkey>  exim4-daemon-light  exim4-base
[10:36] <perlmonkey> reinstall OS?
[10:42] <soren> perlmonkey: sudo apt-get remove postfix+ exim4-base exim4 exim4-daemon-light
[10:44] <Sookie> Well, now it is not working, I ewally don't understand how can be this such UNESTABLE
[10:46] <perlmonkey> soren thanks will give it a try
[10:47] <perlmonkey> soren: http://pastebin.com/m7422739
[10:47] <Deeps> Sookie: which version are you using?
[10:47] <Sookie> Intrepid 32 bits
[10:48] <Sookie> Well now it doesn't conenct
[10:48] <Sookie> I cant understand anything
[10:48] <perlmonkey> soren: looks like a botched upgrade, package version inconsistency?
[10:48] <Sookie> Deeps, network-manager-pptp version 0.7.xx
[10:49] <Sookie> Deeps, the last one, I always download the latest updates for Ubuntu
[10:50] <soren> perlmonkey: sudo rm /etc/init.d/exim4* ; sudo apt-get remove postfix+ exim4-base exim4 exim4-daemon-light
[10:50] <Sookie> My colleague by my side just tried to conenct to the VPN and it woekd out (he is usig XP). Both are under the same network, the same rights
[10:50] <Sookie> And I just connected 10 minutes ago, and now I cant
[10:50] <perlmonkey> soren: thanks
[10:52] <soren> perlmonkey: No problem :)
[10:52] <perlmonkey> soren: phew you're a hero! all back to normal =)
[10:53] <Sookie> Any ideas folks?
[10:53] <perlmonkey> soren: how did you figure that out? isnt that weird apt wouldnt uninstall exim4?
[10:54] <soren> perlmonkey: Not really. There's probably something that depended on an mta.
[10:55] <soren> perlmonkey: Putting postfix+ on the line at the same time made sure that dependency was never broken.
[10:55] <perlmonkey> oh
[10:55] <perlmonkey> ahh i see
[10:56] <soren> I suppose it's even possible that just installing postfix would have done the trick (since postfix conflicts with exim4 (or exim4-base or whatever)).
[10:56] <perlmonkey> soren: im much obliged anyway, I thought I would be looking at a day wasted here on a server reinstall
[10:57] <soren> perlmonkey: A reinstall is virtually never the right (nor easiest answer).
[10:57] <perlmonkey> true
[11:09] <Sookie> I am going to restart just to check something
[11:13] <Sookie> Hi again, nothing
[11:13] <Sookie> I can't make it to work again
[11:13] <Sookie> I am really lost on this
[11:14] <Sookie> Do you have any idea about what can I check in order to get the reason for such unestable behaivour?
[11:16] <soren> Sookie: What's the problem?
[11:17] <Sookie> soren, I can't make the VPN connection to work in my office when I start up in Ubuntu, however it works when I am in XP, and it works when I am at home in Ubuntu as well.
[11:17] <soren> How does it fail?
[11:17] <Sookie> VPN Failed Connection
[11:17] <Sookie> that's all
[11:17] <soren> Where do you see this?
[11:17] <Sookie> the funny thing is that it connected once just 20 min ago
[11:18] <Sookie> in the Netowork Manager applet
[11:18] <soren> Look in syslog, then.
[11:18] <Sookie> In syslog just: Modem hung up
[11:18] <Sookie> let's se
[11:18] <Sookie> I copy it into pastebin
[11:18] <soren> Modem!?
[11:19] <Sookie> http://pastebin.com/m5de5722d, that's a tail command fo syslog
[11:21] <Sookie> http://pastebin.com/m2bef3388, that's a complete one
[11:22] <Sookie> any clue?
[11:24] <Sookie> Everything looks to be ok, doesn't it?
[11:27] <Sookie> I think the problem is: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
[11:28] <Sookie> until that everything is going ok
[11:30] <kraut> moin
[11:33] <Sookie> soren, any idea? thanks
[11:39] <soren> Sookie: What do you see on the server?
[11:48] <Sookie> I am not in the server, I am in my laptop
[11:48] <Sookie> but we have a server too
[11:49] <soren> What are you connecting to?
[11:50] <Sookie> I am trying to connect to a remote VPN server in other office of our group
[11:50] <Sookie> however in our local network we have another UBuntu server that is a VPN server to the people in the remote office too
[11:50] <Sookie> when I try to connect to the remote VPN network using my Ubuntu installation, it doesn't work
[11:50] <Sookie> If I try the same starting in XP from the same computer it works
[11:51] <Sookie> If I try the same at home starting in Ubuntu it works
[11:51] <Sookie> My colleagues here are using XP and they are in the same network as me but they can connect to the remote VPN
[11:52] <Sookie> So I think it is not a router problem, otherwise in XP it shouldn't work
[11:52] <Sookie> also I think it is not my Ubuntu installation, since at home it works
[11:53] <Sookie> I think that somehow my UBuntu isntallation in my laptop doesn't like that at the same network we have a Ubuntu VPN server..
[11:53] <Sookie> is that possible?
[11:53] <Sookie> soren, have you checked my syslog file
[11:56] <soren> Yeah. I can't see what the problem is.
[11:56] <Sookie> the LCP timeout right?
[11:57] <Sookie> Have you seen the LCP timeout?
[11:57] <Sookie> and afterwards just "modem hungup"?
[11:58] <Sookie> the funny thing is 1 hour before, I installed the last updates Ubuntu was warning me about, and then I restarted, and tried to conect and surprise! It worked, However I disconnecte and since then I couldnt make it to work again
[11:59] <Sookie> ¿?
[12:12] <soren> Sorry, I don't know what could cause this.
[12:16] <Sookie> OK, I have to restart then in XP..I need to work and it is obvious that Ubuntu is not giving me the chance, thanks anyway
[12:37] <Sookie> We have a Ubuntu Server which in the router the por 1723 is being forwarded to; Here is my question, if I have another computer in the same nerwork that is trying to connect a remote VPN network, will be there any problem?
[12:37] <Sookie> Please
[12:37] <Sookie> maybe this is the problem
[12:39] <Oliber> 1723 and GRE should be forwarded, which often causes problems on NATting devices
[12:40] <Oliber> if 1723 and GRE are forwarded to an internal address, internal clients cannot connect to external PPTP servers
[12:40] <Sookie> So why in XP they can?
[12:41] <Sookie> That would exmplain why I cant connect to remote VPN networks, since the por 1723 is already forwarded to another IP (in this case the Ubuntu server)
[12:41] <Sookie> But Why the XP clients can connect?
[12:42] <Sookie> And my second question is; How can we have a VPN server (forward ports 1723 to it), and at the same time be able to connect to remote VPN connections?
[12:43] <Sookie> Could be possible to put the VPN Ubuntu server under DMZ, and delete the 1723 port forwarding so the internal clients can connnect to remote VPN connections?
[12:43] <Sookie> Thanks for your responses in advance
[12:47] <Sookie> That doesn't seem to be the problem, since I disabled the port forwarding to the server in the router, and the results are still the same
[12:48] <Sookie> any ideas?
[12:51] <Sookie> Nothing
[12:51] <Sookie> I disabled the VPN server in our network
[12:51] <Sookie> I disabled the port forwarding to the server
[12:51] <Sookie> All the XP computers can log into the remote VPN network, but the Ubuntu one
[13:06] <Sookie> wll, I give up
[13:06] <Sookie> this is really a crap
[13:07] <Sookie> More than 1 week wasted in making a VPN to work!
[13:08] <Sookie> I even put the computer directly in DMZ, and the same results
[13:08] <Sookie> I don't understand anything
[13:17] <kinley> hi there, whats THE choise for crypt mysql partitions in debian/ubuntu like system ?
[13:22] <kinley> whats THE choise for crypt mysql partitions in debian/ubuntu like system ?
[14:03] <Fenix|work> Good morning!
[14:03] <Fenix|work> Would someone do me a favour please?  Could someone tell me the permissions and ownership of the files and folders in /var/lib/mysql please?
[14:05] <Deeps> owned by msql
[14:05] <Deeps> unsurprisingly
[14:05] <Deeps> mysql*
[14:06] <Fenix|work> Deeps, it isn't surprising... except for /var/lib/mysql/mysql which is mysql:root
[14:06] <Fenix|work> which makes me wonder if all database folders need to be owned this way
[14:06] <soren> Not here..
[14:06] <soren> drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql mysql     4096 2007-11-17 23:17 mysql
[14:07] <Deeps> group ownership isn't something that matters too much in this instance
[14:07] <Deeps> mysqld runs as mysql user, if the files are owned by mysql user, there's no problem
[14:08] <Fenix|work> http://rafb.net/p/ykTtWk30.html
[14:08] <Fenix|work> those are the permissions I see
[14:08] <Fenix|work> this is with a fresh 8.10 install
[14:10] <Deeps> as i say, as long as they're read/writable by the mysql user somehow, either through user or group ownership, and they are owned by mysql user as seen there, you're not likely to encounter any problems. if you're concerned chown -R mysql:mysql /var/lib/mysql
[14:13] <Fenix|work> and the perms are generally 664?
[14:13] <Fenix|work> err 669>
[14:13] <Fenix|work> jebzuz
[14:13] <Fenix|work> 660
[14:13] <Deeps> aye
[14:14] <Deeps> 755 on /var/lib/mysql/mysql, 700 on db folders
[14:16] <Fenix|work> ok... perfect
[14:17] <Fenix|work> one other question... this is the first I'm using mysql with 8.10 ... does it now say "* Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables." when mysql starts up?
[14:17] <Deeps> yep
[14:17] <Fenix|work> ok... just making sure I didn't have problems :)
[14:17] <Deeps> or something along those lines
[14:17] <Deeps> standard onload cleanup
[14:18] <Fenix|work> this is 'newish' right?  I never recalled seeing that in 8.04
[14:18] <Deeps> it's in 8.04
[14:18] <Fenix|work> maybe I never stopped and started the service manually then
[14:21] <miguel> hello
[14:21] <miguel> someone up ?
[15:09] <Fenix|work> Anyone have a second to help with apache vhosts?
[15:10] <genii> Fenix|work: You might want to also ask in channel #apache
[15:10] <Fenix|work> genii, yeah I might... but they're generally very hostile to those not using their version :)
[15:10] <Fenix|work> It's a simple vhost/permissions issue
[15:11]  * genii sips
[15:11] <Fenix|work> when trying to access my vhost abc.domain.com I get 403 Forbidden, but accessing server.domain.com/abc I get the page
[15:12] <Fenix|work> I'm also getting "NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts" when apache starts up
[15:12] <genii> Hmm
[15:14] <Fenix|work> the vhost I enabled reads <VirtualHost *>
[15:14] <Deeps> perms on rootdir of the vhost
[15:14] <Deeps> will probably explain the 403
[15:15] <Deeps> and/or lack of auto index page generator module
[15:15] <Fenix|work> abc.domain.com is located in /var/www/abc
[15:15] <Deeps> (if you dont have a real index page in there already)
[15:15] <Fenix|work> abc.domain.com is a CNAME to server.domain.com
[15:15] <Fenix|work> the default vhost points to /var/www
[15:15] <Fenix|work> (apache default vhost)
[15:16] <Fenix|work> abc.domain.com dies with 403 ... server.domain.com/abc works
[15:16] <Deeps> check the error log
[15:16] <Deeps> either that or you've fluffed your vhost file
[15:16] <Fenix|work> I keep forgetting the stupid errorlog
[15:16] <Fenix|work> .htaccess pcfc_openfile: unable to check htaccess file
[15:17] <Fenix|work> what are the default permissions for files and folders for apache, 644/755 ?
[15:17] <Fenix|work> and they're all owned by www-data:www-data?
[15:18] <Deeps> yea
[15:18] <Deeps> apache runs as user www-data
[15:19] <Fenix|work> .htaccess is 644 as well I suppose?
[15:19] <Deeps> as long as it's readable by the www-data user
[15:19] <Deeps> thats largely all that matters
[15:19] <Fenix|work> Oh, I've also disabled my vhost ... and am getting the message from /etc/init.d/apache2 :: [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
[15:20] <Fenix|work> this is just default settings now
[15:20] <Deeps> yep, you need a vhost defined as <VirtualHost *:80> somewhere i think to make that be quiet
[15:20] <Fenix|work> ok
[15:20] <Fenix|work> ooh
[15:22] <Fenix|work>  [error] VirtualHost *:80 -- mixing * ports and non-* ports with a NameVirtualHost address is not supported, proceeding with undefined results
[15:22] <Fenix|work> harsh
[15:22] <Fenix|work> :)
[15:22] <Fenix|work> I think it's because of ports.conf ... there it defines NameVirtualHost *:80
[15:22] <Fenix|work> but sites-available/default defines NameVirtualHost *
[15:23] <Deeps> ah
[15:23] <Faust-C> use a IP
[15:23] <Fenix|work> I just commented out the NameVirtualHost *:80 ... it's redundant
[15:24] <Fenix|work> you can't have named SSL VHosts anyway
[15:24] <Deeps> you can
[15:24] <yann2> yes you can Fenix|work
[15:24]  * yann2 uses named ssl vhosts :)
[15:24] <Fenix|work> # SSL name based virtual hosts are not yet supported, therefore no NameVirtualHost statement here
[15:25] <Deeps> it's not exactly valid, but you can do it
[15:25] <Fenix|work> right in ports.conf
[15:25] <Deeps> not supported != not possible
[15:25] <yann2> mmh. well it does work I tell you :)
[15:25] <Fenix|work> you're right Deeps :)
[15:26] <yann2> well I'm a happy man then :)
[15:34] <incidence> Hye, I've installed postfix+dovecot and they work perfectly. But now I've installed razor,pyzor,amavis and spamassassin.
[15:35] <incidence> But amavis won't check if the email is spam, it only scans it for viruses
[15:37] <incidence> ow ok it worked, but it quarantined the spam, how do I only mark it for spam?
[15:42] <tewmten> quick question: is there any way to invoke the dialog configuration script to configure the network (the one used in the installer..) in an already installed system? for easy reconfiguring of the network settings..
[15:44] <tewmten> or if someone could point me to a source of information on how the actual installer works, would also help..
[15:44] <tewmten> thanks
[15:50] <jmedina> incidence: put your spam policy to PASS
[15:52] <genii> tewmten: I think you might want netcfg  from the base-installer
[15:52] <tewmten> yeah I've been seeing that mentioned on some places, but I can't really figure out where to get it.. I think I must be doing something wrong :P
[15:53] <tewmten> like if I do apt-cache search on base-installer or netcfg it finds nothing. maybe I need to add an extra source in my sources.list_
[15:53] <incidence> jmedina, Can't find out which file I should edit
[15:54] <jmedina> incidence: look for $final_spam_destiny
[15:54] <jmedina> in /etc/amavis/conf.d/
[15:54] <jmedina> the policy is D_PASS
[15:55] <jmedina> and $sa_spam_subject_tag to set the "subject mark"
[15:56] <zul> server team meeting in 4 minutes on #ubuntu-meeting
[15:57] <incidence> ah ok thanks, now it delivered the spam message, but did not mark it as spam ($sa_spam_subject_tag is = '***SPAM*** ')
[16:03] <genii> tewmten: I think all the base-installer and netcfg etc is in the package debian-installer
[16:06] <jmedina> incidence: how are your your sa_tag_level_dftl, sa_tag2, sa_kill and sa_dsn
[16:06] <jmedina> that options set the defaults for message tagging
[16:08] <incidence> $sa_tag_level_deflt = 2.0, sa_tag2_level_deflt = 6.31 and sa_dsn_cutoff_level = 10
[16:08] <Fenix|work> How do I go about merging my old passwd file with my new one?
[16:09] <jmedina> diff? patch?
[16:09] <Fenix|work> what about the shadow file?
[16:09] <Fenix|work> I mean, the hashes will still work?
[16:10] <jmedina> the hashes are in /etc/shadow
[16:10] <jmedina> just coppy the user lines from /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow
[16:10] <jmedina> and the corresponding /etc/group and probably /etc/gshadow
[16:11] <jmedina> in debian the fist UID is 1000
[16:11] <Fenix|work> ok
[16:14] <jmedina> something like this will get you a list
[16:14] <jmedina> awk -F: '$3 > 999' /etc/passwd
[16:14] <jmedina> the same applies to shadow
[16:15] <Fenix|work> yeah... got it :)
[16:16] <jmedina> of course this wont list system users added after the installation
[16:17] <Fenix|work> that's fine... I just need regular users
[16:17] <Fenix|work> everything else has been done
[16:18] <jmedina> good
[16:19] <genii> Hopefully you have old /etc/group as well
[16:36] <simplexio> dmesg gives me : [1407259.665276] console-kit-dae[3300]: segfault at 168 ip 00007f2bbf304e09 sp 0000000041f78090 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.1800.2[7f2bbf2d8000+c3000] well several time, but it dosent affect anything that i use
[16:37] <dinsdale07> Hello -  my proftp server performs Identlookups although I have "IdentLookups off" in /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf. Does anyone know why or how to troubleshoot this?
[16:38] <Faust-C> dinsdale07: have you restarted the service one you made modification
[16:39] <dinsdale07> yes, reload and restart. The line has been in the file for ages but I think it never worked.
[16:40] <dinsdale07> Faust-C, I found out by starting proftpd in debug mode and it shows me performing ident lookup / ident lookup returned 'UNKNOWN'
[16:42] <Phil__> I have lost my connection to the internet from my ubuntu server, LAN connections seem fine. Any ideas on how to troubleshoot? TIA
[16:43] <Deeps> route -n
[16:43] <Deeps> do you have a default route defined
[16:44] <Phil__> I'm not sure - I haven't come across that term before - is it the same as default gateway?
[16:44] <simplexio> soo. anyone ideas why console-kit-daemon segfaults libglib?
[16:44] <Deeps> yep
[16:44] <kirkland> sommer: ping
[16:44] <sommer> kirkland: yo
[16:44] <kirkland> sommer: hey, i was wondering if you could help with a server guide update
[16:45] <sommer> kirkland: sure
[16:45] <kirkland> sommer: see Bug 290885
[16:45] <Phil__> well, in my interfaces config file its pointing at the same gateway it always did, and the one that's working for the rest of the pcs on the LAN
[16:45] <kirkland> sommer: we need to update the server guide RAID section
[16:45] <Deeps> Phil__: if you run `route -n`, you should see something like 0.0.0.0         10.1.0.1    0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0
[16:45] <kirkland> sommer: note that booting degraded RAID is now possible with Hardy, if you upgrade your grub, initramfs-tools, and mdadm packages
[16:45] <Deeps> where 10.1.0.1 would be your gateway
[16:46] <kirkland> sommer: AND THEN grub-install to your RAID device providing /boot
[16:46] <kirkland> sommer: the latter part must be done manually
[16:46] <kirkland> sommer: which is the main thing i'd like to get in the Server Guide
[16:46] <sommer> kirkland: ah mmmmmm, that may be a little harder since the raid section wasn't included in the hardy guide
[16:46] <kirkland> sommer: alternatively, if you'd think we'd handle this better in the wiki, that's fine by me too
[16:46] <Phil__> yeah, oh, okay, tbh - I'm not sure if the output to route -n is correct or not - shall I stick it in a pastebin?
[16:46] <kirkland> sommer: oh, okay
[16:46] <Phil__> thanks for the help btw
[16:47] <kirkland> sommer: is there somewhere else it might land?
[16:47] <dinsdale07> Phil__, or maybe traceroute internet-address to see where it stops. Maybe it's also a dns problem?
[16:47] <Deeps> Phil__: please
[16:47] <sommer> kirkland: we could add the instructions in a hardy subsection for the jaunty guide
[16:47] <jmedina> good to know there is support for degraded raid in hardy
[16:47] <jmedina> id like to test it
[16:47] <jmedina> would be greate to have that info in the official server guide
[16:48] <sommer> kirkland: that would allow put the instructions on the site at least
[16:48] <Phil__> Deeps: http://pastebin.ca/1286927
[16:48] <Deeps> Phil__: is 192.168.1.254 your default gateway? can you ping it from the server?
[16:48] <sommer> kirkland: we can also look into an SRU for the hardy guide, but it will need to be re-translated so I'm not sure how much "support" the idea will get
[16:49] <sommer> kirkland: but since hardy is lts...
[16:49] <kirkland> sommer: okay, how about this ....
[16:49] <Phil__> yes it is and sometimes it works, like about 10 minutes ago, and othertimes, like just now, I'm getting 'destination host unreachable'
[16:49] <Deeps> Phil__: do other machines on your lan get that same problem?
[16:50] <kirkland> sommer: i think we should create https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DegradedRAID
[16:50] <Phil__> nope, never as far as I'm aware
[16:50] <Phil__> I tried a fresh NIC as well to see if it was the hardware
[16:50] <Deeps> Phil__: could be a dodgy nic in the server, dodgy cable linking from the server to the switch, dodgy switchport, dodgy wireless if you're using that, try changing those bits around, as it doens't sound like a software problem
[16:51] <sommer> kirkland: sounds good to me, is it possible to put a link to the page in the updated package readme or somewhere users's will find it
[16:51] <Deeps> Phil__: also check for IP conflicts - is anyone else on the lan using the same IP as your server?
[16:51] <Phil__> no, its the only static IP and its well out of the dhcp range
[16:51] <sommer> kirkland: I was thinking about non-irc users and users not following the raid bug
[16:51] <kirkland> sommer: that might be possible
[16:51] <kirkland> sommer: i could ask about putting it in the grub postinst
[16:52] <Phil__> could it be anything to do with my / directory being completely full?
[16:52] <kirkland> sommer: detect if you're upgrading from an old version of grub that doesn't support boot degraded
[16:52] <Deeps> Phil__: possible but highly unlikely
[16:52] <kirkland> sommer: if so, refer the user to read the documentation at http://.......
[16:52] <kirkland> sommer: could you get the framework of a page up at DegradedRAID ?
[16:52] <Phil__> okay, fair enough... I'll swap some bits around and see if I get any joy
[16:52] <kirkland> sommer: i'll fill in the details....
[16:53] <sommer> kirkland: sounds like it would work to me
[16:53] <sommer> kirkland: sure, I can work on that this week
[16:53] <kirkland> sommer: i'll work through the sru process to get such a link up
[16:53] <kirkland> sommer: cool, ping me when you get it
[16:53] <sommer> kirkland: are the updates already released?
[16:54] <kirkland> sommer: yes, last week
[16:55] <sommer> kirkland: okay, I'll try to work on that this evening as well
[16:56] <kirkland> sommer: nice, thanks.
[16:56] <sommer> kirkland: this has started me thinking about future bug fixes that might also require documentation updates
[16:57] <sommer> kirkland: I wonder if we should work out some type of better system for doc updates
[16:57] <kirkland> sommer: yeah, i think so
[16:57] <kirkland> sommer: well, i think it could use some improvement
[16:57]  * sommer probably just need to learn more about the translation process
[16:58] <sommer> kirkland: I'll ask the doc team and see if there are more ideas on the subject
[16:59] <kirkland> sommer: well, i saw the response to your suggestion of splitting it out of the other docs
[17:01] <sommer> kirkland: ya, couldn't hurt try :-)
[17:02] <mgagne> does anyone here have experience running ubuntu 8.04 as a Xen domU (paravirtualized)?
[17:04] <jmedina> mgagne: I do have some 8.04.1 xen servers both dom0 and domu hardy
[17:06] <mgagne> jmedina: I was reading about Ubuntu dropping support for dom0, I am looking at possibilities for running some 8.04 servers as domU's but am not sure what distro I should consider for dom0.
[17:07] <jmedina> mgagne: I dont think will be dropped in hardy
[17:08] <mgagne> jmedina: is the setup and configuration somewhat reasonable for hardy as a dom0?
[17:08] <jmedina> mgagne: I use xen-tools for that
[17:09] <jmedina> using debootstrapper
[17:09] <mgagne> jmedina: ok, is your long term plan to stick with 8.04 in the future as well?
[17:09] <jmedina> mgagne: for servers yeap
[17:10] <jmedina> even my desktop, well all the office desktops, except laptops they are now with intrepid (kubuntu)
[17:12] <dinsdale07> Faust-C, have solved my earlier problem with the IdentLookups. They need to be in a <global> Identlookups off </global> directive, now it works
[17:25] <nealmcb> kirkland: thanks for the blazingly fast work on screen-profiles!  I got it from your ppa, screen-profiles - default profile - on hardy:  and see in bold at the bottom:  apt-check: error: no such option: --human-readable!
[17:26] <kirkland> nealmcb: oh bummer
[17:26] <kirkland> nealmcb: let me take that out
[17:26] <kirkland> nealmcb: that's only available on hardy
[17:32] <kirkland> nealmcb: fixed uploaded to my ppa
[18:00] <ryan8403_work> hi i'm wanting to use vmbuilder to create a paravirtual image for xen, do i need to change the line in the config file referring to hvm? if so what to?
[18:34] <jojo1224> hi
[19:05] <nealmcb> kirkland: it is built and installable now - looks good now.  thanks!
[19:05] <kirkland> nealmcb: np
[19:07] <lukehasnoname> Has anyone taken a look at "Pro Ubuntu Server Administration" by Sander van Vugt?
[19:08] <jjesse> it is on my amazon wish list
[19:08] <lukehasnoname> His first books was kind of ok, the second books looks like he went a little more in depth (these both being the "beginner" books)
[19:46] <leonel> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/features/ec2   <-- GREAT !!!!  good to see ubuntu server spreading everywhere
[20:08] <Faust-C> dinsdale07: sweet
[20:09] <Faust-C> lukehasnoname: i havent found a really "enterprise" grade book for ubuntu
[20:09] <Faust-C> like none detail using advanced auth methods,
[20:12] <^efil4ejkeoD> Hi, im trying to set up a server with ubuntu linux. However I have never ever touched a linux PC before.
[20:12] <^efil4ejkeoD> What I would like to accomplish is a server who backes up every other computer connected to the network. And can reinstall them when they are crashed
[20:13] <^efil4ejkeoD> Ive searched the internet, but all help files are still not very clear. :( Can anyone plz say which programms i need?
[20:14] <Faust-C> ^efil4ejkeoD: i suggest you get some books if you're really wanting to learn
[20:14] <^efil4ejkeoD> i think i need samba for getting networks up. I know have my server visible in my network. I can create files and maps but not in every map..
[20:15] <frojnd> Hello there
[20:15] <^efil4ejkeoD> True, i looked for: beginning ubuntu server LTS on bol.com
[20:15] <frojnd> I need an asisstance here.
[20:15] <^efil4ejkeoD> So anyone who wants to start with ubuntu needs to learn books first? :P
[20:15] <Faust-C> well read a book
[20:16] <frojnd> My disks are falling...all of the sudden I start getting those messages: Buffer I/O error on device sda3, logical drive xyxy Aborting journal on device sda3, on device sda2,... Write error on swap-device
[20:16] <frojnd> Is there a way to fix my disks ?
[20:16] <frojnd> I did unplug the cable and start server again...
[20:16] <frojnd> This was also the only option at that time to restart comptuer
[20:16] <frojnd> I'm assuming my disks will crashed eventually... s Is there a way to prevent or to slow down this process ?
[20:17] <^efil4ejkeoD> how old are your disks ? aint there a way to read there SMART statistics?
[20:17] <^efil4ejkeoD> their*
[20:18] <frojnd> ^efil4ejkeoD: about 4 years they both SATA
[20:19] <frojnd> huh?
[20:19] <^efil4ejkeoD> my name starts with an ^ ;)
[20:19] <frojnd> as a command :)
[20:19] <^efil4ejkeoD> ye
[20:19] <^efil4ejkeoD> but do you know how to read SMART statistics out of hdd?
[20:20] <frojnd> ^efil4ejkeoD: no idea
[20:20] <^efil4ejkeoD> Im not really of any assitence with linux here. I've never touched it before, but im advised: "read a book" when i asked asked my question
[20:20] <^efil4ejkeoD> anyway.. drives have SMART statistics which tells you the status of your harddrive
[20:21] <^efil4ejkeoD> in windows you can easily read them by using programms like speedfan
[20:21] <^efil4ejkeoD> or sometimes you are able to read them in the bios
[20:21] <^efil4ejkeoD> it tells you exactly how many pieces of the harddrive are broken and when its time to change the drive
[20:22] <^efil4ejkeoD> If the SMART tells you to change, i'm not sure if there is any methode to slow down the proces other than turn of your machine....
[20:22] <frojnd> *efil4ejkeoD: I'm sure linux can do that and even more to slow down the process just don't know
[20:22] <^efil4ejkeoD> ah, first try to read them out
[20:22] <^efil4ejkeoD> google for smart hdd or smthing :)
[20:24] <^efil4ejkeoD> Can you help me out maybe. I want to have a programm that backes up all other machines in my network, and can reinstall them when  a computer is crashed. Is that possible? It's actually just windows home server but then in ubuntu server.
[20:27] <frojnd> I'm afraid I cant.
[20:27] <frojnd> Haven't really used server for backuping my data, though apperantly I should :S
[20:28] <^efil4ejkeoD> what are you using it for then? file server?
[20:29] <maltepalte> i have mysql installed on a ubuntu machine, with a lot of power - quad xeon cpu:s, and a large raid volume with 15k rpm disks.  however, when benchmarking with a simple script that creates a database in mysql, and then creates 1000 tables inside the db, i get extremely poor performance; 5 tables created per second.  compare that with my laptop, that gets about 150 tables per Asecond
[20:30] <frojnd> I'm using it for somesort of media center. I have installed on it ampache for listening my favourite music from one location, for torrents to DL some fancy music abroad since I can't buy all the cds, for testing php pages, for mysql database, for storing my DVDs, and ofcourse for programming :P
[20:31] <frojnd> And now I'm a little scared since I don't have dual or backup disks..
[20:32] <^efil4ejkeoD> You might be able to clone them in time maybe?
[20:32] <frojnd> I can use them, as we sepak, but not so sure....
[20:33] <^efil4ejkeoD> If you want to keep the data, you should clone them or get an image of them as fast as possible. But that is only useful if the problem really are the disks themselves
[20:34] <frojnd> what else could it be ?
[20:35] <^efil4ejkeoD> I have no clue. I've never used linux before.. and im not a programmer :). I do know, however, that when a disk pefrmance is poor you shuuld check for the SMART status. That will tell you what is wrong with your disk, mostly.
[20:35] <frojnd> *efil4ejkeoD: if the sorage is 500gb how big would be the image ?
[20:35] <frojnd> or the clone.. haven't really done this before
[20:35] <^efil4ejkeoD> i think the same size if the disk is full
[20:36] <frojnd> huh
[20:36] <^efil4ejkeoD> an image is actually a clone, but then stored on a existing hard drive. A clone is really a clone of the harddisk itself. So you can make a clone with an image.
[20:36] <^efil4ejkeoD> do you follow that one? :P
[20:36] <frojnd> heh, I'm working in my head :D
[20:37] <^efil4ejkeoD> ^^
[20:37] <^efil4ejkeoD> when you copy a DVD to your harddrive, you can make an image from the DVD. This image is 1 file which consist of all the files on the DVD
[20:37] <^efil4ejkeoD> this file is as large as the DVD itself.
[20:38] <^efil4ejkeoD> so the image is a clone of the dvd. But you haven't got 2 DVD's. So when you put the image from the DVD on a new DVD, then you have cloned your dvd.
[20:38] <^efil4ejkeoD> but thats not really the point here :)
[20:38] <^efil4ejkeoD> you want to know how to clone a 500 GB harddisk
[20:38] <frojnd> ^efil4ejkeoD: aha
[20:39] <^efil4ejkeoD> and for that question i do not have an answer :(
[20:39] <sommer> kirkland: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DegradedRAID created, and I've linked to the intrepid config options... I think that's what you were looking for?
[20:39] <^efil4ejkeoD> I only know windows alternatives
[20:39] <frojnd> ^efil4ejkeoD: ofcourse they will say to buy a new disk :D
[20:39] <^efil4ejkeoD> you have to buy new disks :P But you want all your data from the old one, on the new one
[20:39] <frojnd> The only problem is that I can get the lowest WD external 1TB for 100EUR
[20:40] <^efil4ejkeoD> you don't need an external hard drive for cloning
[20:40] <frojnd> ^efil4ejkeoD: I know but they are the chepeaset storage alternative :D
[20:40] <^efil4ejkeoD> internal?
[20:41] <frojnd> ^efil4ejkeoD: I have SATA and not SATA2 which costs less than SATA <-those two are "internal"
[20:41] <^efil4ejkeoD> where are you from btw?
[20:41] <frojnd> slovenia
[20:41] <^efil4ejkeoD> ah k. Im from holland
[20:41] <^efil4ejkeoD> hmm.. I think i can't help you any further then :(
[20:41] <^efil4ejkeoD> i don't know much about computers
[20:41] <frojnd> ^efil4ejkeoD: no worries someone will :)
[20:42] <^efil4ejkeoD> hehe :)
[20:54] <Faust-C> how much space would you guys recommend for 70+ users high volume traffic
[20:56] <hads> HOw long is a piece of string.
[20:56] <jjesse> 6
[20:57] <genii> Faust-C: For what, their home dirs?
[21:12] <jmalis> hi! how to skip disk checking on starup (fschk)? Thank You!
[21:15] <genii> "ESC" ?
[21:17] <genii> And of course there's the ever-dangerous and not to be recommended replacement of  0 1        with  0 0        in fstab
[21:27] <Faust-C> genii: no for email period
[21:29] <genii> Faust-C: I'd think 4-8Gb would suffice. A lot depends on if they are leaving much mail also on there, like imap
[21:31] <Faust-C> well atm its pop3 and alot of the mail is old or internal spam
[21:32] <Deeps> how long is a peice of string?
[21:35] <jmarsden|work> Faust-C: Can you du -sh /var/mail/ (or equivalent) to see how much space their POP3 mail takes up now, then use (for example) 2x that as rough a starting point for their email disk space needs?
[21:37] <Faust-C> jmarsden|work: sadly atm the email server is a XP machine (done before i got here)
[21:37] <Faust-C> and i cant afford to screw up considering that email is necessary to function
[21:57] <jmarsden|work> Faust-C: You could (a) still find out how much space the mail is taking up (Look at mailboxes in Exchange if that is what they use, or use one of many disk spacetools for Windows if the mail is in flat files)  (b) consider setting upo new mailserver with LVM so you can change partition sizes later if necessary?
[21:58] <genii> Or enforce quotas on /var/mail or so
[22:08] <Faust-C> jmarsden|work: no exchange, mdaemon
[22:08] <Faust-C> im rebuilding network
[22:08] <Faust-C> genii: and yes that is a must this go round
[22:15] <Faust-C> do you have to install the pop3d part for dovecot?
[22:24] <jmarsden|work> Faust-C: Only if you want to offer POP3 service to email users.. if all will use IMAP I don't think you *need* to instyall dovecot-pop3d.
[22:45] <Faust-C> kk
[22:45] <Faust-C> just trying to go word for word by docs
[22:46] <Faust-C> btw which would be the prefered choice, mbox or maildir
[22:47] <jmedina> maildir
[22:48] <Faust-C> i thought so
[22:49] <gohell> DIE
[22:54] <Faust-C> hmm i so need more info