[16:44] <thorwil> newz2000: ping
[16:44] <newz2000> hey thorwil
[16:44] <thorwil> newz2000: hi! i'm sorry to have to bug you again, but i still see a stretched bulb on http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[16:45] <newz2000> really?
[16:45]  * newz2000 checks
[16:45] <newz2000> is this the graphic you made me? http://www.ubuntu.com/files/u1/idea-logo.png
[16:45] <thorwil> yes, looks like it
[16:46] <newz2000> oh, img tag has wrong width
[17:00] <newz2000> thorwil: ok, looks fixed
[17:01] <thorwil> newz2000: good. guess have to wait because of caching again
[17:01] <newz2000> no, it's live now
[17:01] <newz2000> try shift+reload
[17:02] <thorwil> no luck so far
[17:02] <newz2000> that image doesn't look like it has alpha transparency, I wonder if this is the old one
[17:07] <nand> looks now perfect here!
[17:10] <thorwil> ah yes, now it does here, too
[18:17] <Turl> anyone has IE here?
[18:17] <newz2000> sorry, not handy at the moment
[18:18] <jpds> newz2000: Can you remove the "h" at the end of http://www.canonical.com/aboutus ?
[18:19] <newz2000> the h at the end of what?
[18:19] <newz2000> 0h
[18:19] <newz2000> I see it. That's funny. :-)
[18:19] <jpds> At the end of the page.
[18:19] <newz2000> Are you sure we should kill it? I think we should keep it as a pet.
[18:19] <jpds> newz2000: I got an RT ticket on it. Thought I'd prod you directly.
[18:20] <newz2000> efficient communication is good
[18:20] <jpds> You could keep it, you are webmaster, your choice. ;)
[18:21] <newz2000> gone. There was a remarkable amount of html for that one little letter
[18:21] <jpds> I'll close the ticket on it. Thanks.
[18:21] <newz2000> my pleasure. ;-)
[18:23] <jpds> newz2000: Were you at UDS? I didn't see you.
[18:23] <newz2000> no, never been to a UDS
[18:24] <newz2000> it tends to be more development oriented
[18:24] <newz2000> I did go to some awesome drupal training last week though. :-)
[18:25] <Turl> newz2000: do you know php?
[18:25] <newz2000> Turl: yes
[18:25] <Turl> newz2000: then a quick question, what encoding are the vars in $_GET in?
[18:25] <newz2000> url encoding
[18:26] <newz2000> oh, do you mean charset?
[18:26] <Turl> yeah, charset
[18:26] <Turl> is it UTF8?
[18:26] <newz2000> I don't know about php 5.2 but in previous versions you didn't know for sure
[18:27] <newz2000> the client will often include a header explaining the charset, I don't know if php is smart enough to make this available to you (app dev)
[18:27] <Turl> thanks :)
[18:27] <newz2000> I've had numerous problems with this because of cp1252 format
[18:27] <Turl> any way to view the charset at IE?
[18:28] <jpds> newz2000: Maybe we should put a <br /> at the end of the page? Looks like the line and the text are too close.
[18:28] <newz2000> yes it does, I agree
[18:29] <newz2000> better, fix the template, but that won't happen today
[18:29] <jpds> OK, thanks. :)
[18:33] <Turl> ARGGG I'll kick whoever coded IE!
[18:33] <Turl> wouldn't you?
[18:33] <newz2000> waht's happening Turl?
[18:34] <Turl> IE won't read utf8 on titles :/
[18:34] <Turl> nor it would read entities :/
[18:34] <newz2000> oh, what entity?
[18:35] <Turl> sorry, the entities part was my fault
[18:35] <Turl> but it wont read utf8
[18:35] <newz2000> jpds: ok, padding at the bottom of the page now
[18:36] <newz2000> Turl: yes, that's not surprising
[18:36] <newz2000> Turl: do you have a doctype on your page?
[18:36] <Turl> and it 'eats' the entities now :S
[18:36] <Turl> yeah XHTML doctype
[18:36] <Turl> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN"	"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">
[18:36] <newz2000> if entities are disapering it may be that you're using an entity that is not in the font IE uses
[18:36] <jpds> Looks great now.
[18:36] <newz2000> Turl: check your page, ensure it validates as xhmlt 1.1
[18:37] <newz2000> I hate it when people say that to me but it really is the first thing to check
[18:38] <Turl> I also hate it T_T
[18:38]  * newz2000 is sorry
[18:38] <Turl> it used to validate, but I'll check again
[18:38] <Turl> nevertheless, does IE have a standards mode? :p
[18:38] <Turl> afaik it only has quirks :p
[18:38] <newz2000> yes it does and it's very important to be in standards mode
[18:39] <newz2000> (since at least v6)
[18:39] <Turl> I was being sarcastic :p
[18:39] <newz2000> oh, I see
[18:39] <newz2000> That's one of those lessons that caused me a lot of frustration
[18:40] <Turl> w3 validator gave me an empty page :O
[18:41] <newz2000> it doesn't like you
[18:41] <newz2000> I was helping a friend last night and his page had such invalid HTML that firefox kept crashing and eventually my entire desktop locked up.
[18:42] <Turl> LOL
[18:43] <Turl> and LOL again, it started working as if magic :o
[18:43] <Turl> and it's valid ;) http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbeta.n-mp3.com%2Fes%2Findex.php%3Fsearch%3DSigur%2520R%25C3%25B3s&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0
[18:44] <newz2000> and yet IE still won't show your entities?
[18:44] <Turl> it works now as if magic, idk what happened :p
[18:45] <Turl> hope it doesn't break again
[18:45] <newz2000> Let's sing a song of praise for IE
[18:45] <Turl> do you know what can make ie show a tremendous white space between two elements? that would also be of help :p
[18:46] <newz2000> well, that's a bit vague, but do you have a table? html tags in between TD's or TR's (in incorrect ways) often causes that
[18:48] <Turl> no table
[18:49] <Turl> go and take a look by yourself http://beta.n-mp3.com/en/index.php?search=Coldplay
[18:50] <Turl> it's the space between the header and the adsense block
[18:50] <newz2000> looks good in firefox. :-)
[18:52] <Turl> IE is the problem ;)