[00:12] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: smarter
[00:12] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks.
[00:13] <ScottK> it looks like we had a package conflict that is already fixed in beta2, so I'm not going to sweat it.
[00:17] <ScottK> Is somebody updating kdeplasma-addons for beta2?
[00:18] <ScottK> I'm looking at what needs to get rebuilt to get rid of libplasma2 and that's one of htem.
[00:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: plasmoid-quickaccess needs rebuilding.
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> probably won't build due to api changes
[00:22] <ScottK> OK, will you look after updating/removing/etc?
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> I am wondering how long we should wait for an upstream release for KDE 4.2 before we remove it
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> maybe I could look in to updating it for the new api myself, but I'm not too confident in my C++ abilities
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> but yes, I will at least look in to it :)
[00:30] <ScottK> OK.
[00:31] <ScottK> Any ideas about if we still need compiz-kde?
[00:31] <ScottK> My thought is that it ought to go away.
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> you would have to convince debian to not package it or for upstream to remove it
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> or at least the ubuntu compiz doods
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> since I don't believe the debian people would care since they aren't going to be updating to KDE 4.2 for a long while
[00:39] <NCommander> Well, at least now sip is doing the right thing on bindings
[00:48] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, on kde4bindings, are we disabling nepomuk's binding?
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> to tell you the truth I don't know what the hell we're doing with bindings anymore
[00:50] <NCommander> I wrote some code to fix nepomuk on ARM, but I'm not sure if its still necessary or desirable
[00:50] <NCommander> And the binding is miserably broken (WHY THE HECK DO WE HAVE A BINDING AROUND A VARIENT CLASS IN PyKDE?!)
[00:50]  * NCommander inhales
[00:50] <NCommander> I don't have a huge issue killing the nepomuk binding ATM since we have it dead in kde4libs
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> if we disabled neopmuk bindings it was because of ftbfs
[00:51] <NCommander> Well, bindings has half a brain
[00:51] <NCommander> if it can't find nepomuk, it disables the binding
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> a huge, monolithic, half-brained turd
[00:52] <NCommander> So far nepomuk is the only thing I've actually had break with my experimental changesets
[00:52] <NCommander> (and given the comments Sime left in nepomuk.sip, its not just me who's having issues)
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> I wish we could just kill the mono/cli bindings dead
[00:53] <NCommander> We did
[00:53] <NCommander> Didn't we?
[00:53] <NCommander> kde4lib's build process is SO slow ;.;
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> I believe the packaging is still there, just diabled
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> *disabled
[00:54] <NCommander> ah
[00:54] <NCommander> I think I can call PyKDE4 fixed
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> so the package is a partially-commented mess
[00:54] <NCommander> But I still haven't done a full test build
[00:54]  * NCommander simply doesn't have the processor power
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> and backporting it brings in a whole other batch of headaches
[00:56] <NCommander> so far so good on pykde4
[00:57] <ScottK> NCommander: Nepomuk is turned off (last I checked) but because it was broken, not out of any desire not to have it.
[00:58] <NCommander> so maybe my ARM problems aren't anything I need to worry about
[00:58] <ScottK> Not directly for Nepomuk right now.
[00:58]  * NCommander pulls the bazaar branches
[01:07] <ScottK> The mono stuff isn't disabled.
[01:07] <NCommander> whoever disabled nepomuk didn't do the best job ever:
[01:07] <NCommander> [ 97%] Built target nepomuk-rcgen
[01:10] <ScottK> Urgh.
[01:10] <ScottK> I killed it off at one piont, but whoever did beta2 may have restored it.
[01:12] <NCommander> Its actually building in full
[01:12] <NCommander> -_-;
[01:12] <NCommander> yay :-P
[01:12] <NCommander> It's however properly dead in bindings
[01:14] <ScottK> When I did it I just hard coded all the Cmake flags involving finding Nepomuk to off.
[01:14] <rgreening> I left that patch in when I submitted bindings (iirc)
[01:14] <ScottK> Last I checked (beta 1) properly doing the Nepomuk stuff would have required a circular build-dep.
[01:14] <ScottK> OK.
[01:14] <NCommander> It's dead in bindings
[01:14] <NCommander> libs is building it
[01:14] <ScottK> Ah.
[01:17] <NCommander> bah
[01:17]  * NCommander still has to hack on kde4bindings
[01:20]  * NCommander swears
[01:20] <NCommander> THis is going to require some "fun" cmake hacking
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> 4.1.85 libplasma + 4.1.80 plekd plasma
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> I should have er
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> um, even I don't know what's up with my keyboard
[02:02] <ScottK> NCommander: Lemme know when you're ready to fire for effect with your armel patches.
[02:03] <NCommander> I have to rework some cmake macros to make it all work
[02:03] <NCommander> and I'm still not fully sure its going to build
[02:03] <NCommander> But I have managed to build an older pyqt4
[02:03] <NCommander> er
[02:03] <NCommander> pykde4
[02:03] <NCommander> so we're very close to getting this to work
[02:03] <ScottK> OK.
[02:11] <Nightrose> can someone check something for me please?
[02:11] <Nightrose> it seems amarok 2 still has a ruby dependency
[02:11] <Nightrose> that shouldn't be needed anymore
[02:32] <NCommander> Ok, so far so good
[02:35] <rgreening> Well, I'm learning to port from KDE3 to 4.... this is certainly tedious looking up and modding the class changes...
[02:37] <NCommander> lol
[02:37] <NCommander> rgreening, when you get some free time, usb-imagewriter awaits :-)
[02:39] <rgreening> yus
[03:20] <vorian> nixternal: did you ever get a chance to upload skulpture to the archives? i'm not seeing it in jaunty :)
[03:21] <nixternal> vorian: waiting for it to clear new in debian and then will sync
[03:21] <vorian> ah, excellento
[03:21] <nixternal> going to update it once it gets out of new in debian first though
[03:28]  * ScottK wonders where smarter hid the svn snapshot for kde4-style-bespin that has packaging sitting in bzr.
[03:28] <ScottK> Making libplasma2 go away is something else people can work on.
[03:42] <rgreening> porting this kdelibs flash installer patch from kde3 to 4 is proving challenging
[03:56] <vorian> ok, what binary has libXcomposite.so
[03:57]  * ScottK is mashing the seeds about a bit so we have some hope of an installable desktop for the Alpha.
[03:57] <vorian> :o
[03:57] <vorian> stop mashing me!
[03:58] <rgreening> libxcomposite1
[03:58] <ScottK> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/libxcomposite-dev
[03:58] <rgreening> libxcomposite1-dev maybe
[03:58] <rgreening> ya
[03:58] <vorian> werd
[03:58] <ScottK> vorian: I said seeds, not hayseeds.
[03:58] <vorian> got me there :)
[04:00] <vorian> they really must be spicing kdeplasma addons up a bit
[04:01] <NCommander> I'm going to kill kde4bindings
[04:01] <NCommander> Or my slow build hardware
[04:01] <NCommander> Not sure which yet
[04:03] <ScottK> NCommander: How far is the kde4bindings armel build that's going on right now going to get?
[04:04] <NCommander> It's going to die at about 90%
[04:04] <ScottK> Lovely.
[04:04] <NCommander> You can tell why my patience has been running short running through these FTBFS
[04:04] <NCommander> :-)
[04:05] <NCommander> I'm pretty sure my python-qt4 patch is good
[04:05] <NCommander> and I'm 90% sure on the kde4libs one
[04:05] <NCommander> Its a multitude of errors
[04:05] <ScottK> NCommander: How sure are you they won't hurt anything else even if they don't help?
[04:05] <NCommander> 99% sure
[04:06] <NCommander> Essentially the issue is triplefold
[04:06] <NCommander> python-qt4 didn't properly pass qreal_double feature flags
[04:06] <NCommander> kde4libs ignored said flags
[04:06] <NCommander> :-)
[04:06] <NCommander> and kde4bindings just went WTF on it :-)
[04:06] <ScottK> Double fuckup and it's a win.
[04:06] <NCommander> BTW, the reason the feature flag didn't work because it had a blotched configure test
[04:06] <NCommander> What a miserably pile of failures
[04:07] <NCommander> :-)
[04:07] <NCommander>  /usr/bin/sip -t ALL -t WS_X11 -t Qt_4_4_1 -x VendorID -x PyQt_NoPrintRangeBug -g -x\ VendorID\ -t\ WS_X11\ -x\ PyQt_NoPrintRangeBug\ -x\ PyQt_qreal_double\ -t\ Qt_4_4_1
[04:07] <NCommander> I'm concerned about all the escapes that crept in
[04:08] <ScottK> New kubuntu-meta uploaded.  That knocks out a couple of problem packages for the Alpha.
[04:08] <ScottK> Unseed the problem child, rebuild meta, upload meta - No problems left for Kubuntu Desktop.
[04:10] <NCommander> ScottK, anyway, we're in soft freeze
[04:10] <NCommander> cjwatson will descend upon you in case of breakage
[04:10] <NCommander> (of said freeze)
[04:12] <ScottK> Right, well I'm doing stuff that fixes problems for the Alpha.
[04:12] <nixternal> soft freeze...pffft
[04:12] <ScottK> You're right though, your stuff ought to wait until Thursday.
[04:12] <NCommander> Saturday
[04:12] <NCommander> Alpha 2 goes on Friday
[04:12]  * ScottK thought it was Thursday.
[04:12] <NCommander> Hrm
[04:13] <ScottK> ubuntu-announce message said Thursday.
[04:13] <ScottK> Of course it may end up Friday, or Saturday ...
[04:14] <NCommander> It's amazing, we've had two alpha releases
[04:14] <NCommander> and no new features
[04:14] <NCommander> -_-;
[04:14] <NCommander> go figure
[04:16] <nixternal> that's usually how it is at the beginning
[04:16] <nixternal> I think Edgy was the only release where the first few releases were getting crazy amounts of new features
[04:16] <nixternal> dapper was fairly sane, but long
[04:16]  * NCommander blinks
[04:16] <nixternal> what was before dapper? I already forgot
[04:16] <NCommander> who resigned from MOTU SRU?
[04:16] <crimsun> NCommander: not necessarily no new features - 2.6.28-rc3 fixes a boatload of acpi regressions
[04:17] <NCommander> nixternal, breezy
[04:17] <nixternal> I have been around here to long....maybe it is time to take a hiatus
[04:17] <crimsun> nixternal: dude, whatever
[04:18] <nixternal> haven't been around as long as you though, so I guess I have more work to do yet :p
[04:18] <NCommander> I think someone resigned from motu-sru and it flew under the radar
[04:18] <NCommander> *rader
[04:18] <ScottK> NCommander: Dktrkranz
[04:18] <NCommander> When did that happen O_o;
[04:18] <ScottK> A couple of weeks ago.
[04:18] <nixternal> and it didn't fly under that radar because I got an email about it iirc
[04:18] <ScottK> nixternal: Didn't you do a hiatus during Intrepid?
[04:19] <nixternal> shush
[04:19] <nixternal> not really, as I was still doing distro development :)
[04:19] <nixternal> and upstream development
[04:19]  * NCommander wonders who will fill the void
[04:19] <nixternal> and still fixing my MOTU bugs
[04:23] <crimsun> NCommander: are you volunteering?
[04:23] <NCommander> The thought crossed my mind, but I think I probably have enough on my plate as is
[04:23] <nixternal> crimsun: I think he is
[04:23] <nixternal> SRU == boring!!!
[04:24] <nixternal> then again, so did REVU Coordinator
[04:24] <NCommander> On the plus side, having a backporter and an SRU together is handy because in cases where the same fix can be applied to both jaunty and intrepid
[04:24] <NCommander> Then you can simply upload to jaunty, and tell an archive admin to backport and copy into proposed
[04:27] <crimsun> I think rich is volunteering for motu-sru!
[04:28] <nixternal> nope
[04:29]  * NCommander looks who he knows on sru
[04:29] <nixternal> right now I am working on our plans from UDS for the MC and looking to help the TB
[04:29] <crimsun> NCommander: I'd say go for it. I've done both, just requires due-diligence (as do most things).
[04:29] <Riddell> nixternal for TB!
[04:29] <nixternal> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[04:29] <nixternal> helping mdz and them get things straight
[04:29]  * NCommander smashs Riddell with a golden brick wrapped around a lemon
[04:30] <nixternal> they already have a list of people to fill the TB spots
[04:30] <crimsun> dude, rich for tb? awesome! i could ask him all my infrastructure questions then!
[04:30]  * nixternal quits
[04:30] <vorian> all hail nixternal!!!!
[04:30]  * NCommander bows down
[04:30] <crimsun> so why doesn't resume work on laptop x, rich?!
[04:30] <nixternal> NAVY
[04:30] <ScottK> Riddell: Since you're on vacation I just uploaded kubuntu-meta to clear out some cruft and give us a shot at an installable CD for the Alpha this week.
[04:30] <nixternal> Never
[04:30] <nixternal> Again
[04:30] <nixternal> Volunteer
[04:30] <nixternal> Yourself
[04:30] <vorian> crimsun: sign my key!
[04:30]  * vorian runs
[04:31] <ScottK> nixternal: And yet you're on the MC.
[04:31] <nixternal> he doesn't sign keys
[04:31] <Riddell> thanks ScottK
[04:31] <vorian> nixternal: i've noticed
[04:31] <vorian> :P
[04:31] <vorian> plasma-addons are gonna be hawt!
[04:31] <nixternal> I am sure I signed his from OLF
[04:31] <vorian> me too
[04:31] <crimsun> vorian: i apply an aging trust policy; i don't sign keys right away.
[04:31] <nixternal> nice
[04:31] <vorian> crimsun: fair enough
[04:31] <nixternal> crimsun: I think I have aged quite well :p
[04:31] <nixternal> I look hawt for 34 :p
[04:32] <vorian> :o
[04:32] <nixternal> hahahahahahaha
[04:32] <nixternal> OK, I am sure I am going to work from home yet again tomorrow
[04:32] <crimsun> </bad image from rich dancing on the Party Bus>
[04:32] <nixternal> NOOOOOOOOOO
[04:32] <nixternal> hahahahahahah, I have been a dancing fool at the past few conferences
[04:32] <nixternal> it is time for me to step down
[04:32] <vorian> nixternal: it's a darn good thing i didn't make it to uds ... we had our 5th kiddo sunday night
[04:32] <nixternal> actually jono and jcastro are bad influences
[04:33] <nixternal> vorian: wow, congrats!!!
[04:33] <vorian> nod. i can confirm that bug
[04:33] <nixternal> haha
[04:33] <vorian> \o/
[04:33] <crimsun> vorian: word, 'grats
[04:33] <vorian> danke
[04:33] <nixternal> 5th? you going for a football team or what?
[04:33] <vorian> yep
[04:33] <nixternal> I have one, so she could be the coach!
[04:33] <vorian> basketball will have to do for now
[04:34] <nixternal> the more I look at rPath, the more I become afraid, but I have to do something for work, and they just threw in this new feature called "OS Rollback Support"
[04:34] <nixternal> I only know of 1 OS that does it, and does it well
[04:34] <vorian> foresight?
[04:35] <nixternal> OK, 2...rPath and Foresight
[04:35] <vorian> conary is niceish
[04:35] <nixternal> Conary packaging is niceish
[04:35] <vorian> very much so, i haven't tried the new stuff yet though...
[05:04] <seele> tb?
[05:04] <ScottK> Tech Board.
[05:04] <seele> ah
[05:06] <crimsun> seele: are you going to the nova girlgeek dinner tomorrow night?
[05:07] <seele> crimsun: no.. i'm still recovering from all the excitement from last week :)
[05:07] <seele> is it coed?  are you going?
[05:07] <crimsun> seele: yes, and yes
[05:08] <ScottK> nixternal: I told you you should have moved.
[05:08] <seele> crimsun: cool
[05:08] <seele> ScottK: he said he's going to be visiting sometime soon
[05:08] <seele> although i agree.  we should make DC a Kubuntu hub :)
[05:09] <ScottK> Yeah, he threatened not to tell me when he was coming because I was teasing him.
[05:09] <seele> hehe
[05:09]  * seele yawns
[05:10] <seele> ugh.. should get some sleep.  l8r all
[05:11] <nixternal> g'nite
[05:11] <nixternal> guess I should...haven't debated on if I will work from home tomorrow or not
[05:11] <nixternal> depends on how big the snowman looks in the morning
[05:13] <nixternal> Irssi uptime: 41d 14h 11m 14s
[05:14] <nixternal> on that note, it is time for sleep
[05:14] <nixternal> g'nite
[05:40]  * NCommander files KDE bugs
[05:42] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: plasmoid-quickaccess seems to be just about the last thing wanting libplasma2.  I kicked it off the CD for the Alpha.  We can add it back after you get it ported to libplasma3.
[05:45] <NCommander> apachelogger, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177965 - mind seeing if you can get someone to take a look at this?
[05:45] <rgreening> ScottK == teh awesome
[05:45] <NCommander> I'm not going to use it in my fix for KDE on ARM, but its necessary when Sime wants to build a proper fix
[06:03] <ScottK> Riddell: Once the binary promotions I've asked slangasek or pitti to do are done, I think we'll be in good shape for the Alpha.  Everything else is uploaded, seed shuffled, etc.
[06:05] <NCommander> Anyone here a cmake guru?
[06:13] <NCommander> ScottK, ping
[06:13] <ScottK> NCommander: Pong.  Not me.
[06:13] <NCommander> o_o?
[06:13]  * ScottK is not a Cmake guru
[06:13] <NCommander> No, I solved it in a really hacky fashion
[06:13] <NCommander> upstream can dehackify it if they want
[06:13] <NCommander> ScottK, is it too late to get the last uploads of python-qt4/kde4libs/kde4bindings to fix it on ARM?
[06:13] <NCommander> (I hope)
[06:14] <Riddell> ScottK: beta 2 all uploaded?
[06:14] <ScottK> Riddell: I think so.
[06:14]  * ScottK wasn't counting.
[06:14] <ScottK> Riddell: I've been looking an the Jaunty problems page and component mismatches.
[06:15] <Riddell> ScottK: excellent
[06:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Is getting armel working with KDE a release goal worthy of uploading during the freeze?
[06:15] <ScottK> Riddell: You can do binary promotions, right?
[06:16]  * ScottK shoves the list at Riddell
[06:16] <ScottK> python-plasma libkdcraw7 libkdcraw7-dev libkexiv2-7 libkexiv2-7-dev all need promoting.
[06:17] <ScottK> NCommander: If Riddell says it's a release goal, I'll upload them tomorrow.
[06:18] <NCommander> Its all in bazaar
[06:18] <ScottK> If he doesnt' say it's not a release goal, I may anyway.
[06:18] <NCommander> and on its way to my PPA for a final rebuild test or two
[06:18] <ScottK> NCommander: Which packages again? kde4linbs, python-qt4, and kde4bindings?
[06:19] <NCommander> python-qt4, kdelibs, and kde4bindings
[06:19] <NCommander> I versioned bindings correctly so it will dep-wait until the previous two are properly built
[06:19] <ScottK> NCommander: kde4libs, right?
[06:20] <NCommander> no, kde4libs and python-qt4 can go in either other
[06:20] <NCommander> kde4bindings requires both of those to be updated
[06:20] <NCommander> The dependencies are correct so it all works :-)
[06:20] <ScottK> Right, but you said kdelibs, not kde4libs.  Just making sure.
[06:21] <NCommander> oh, sorry
[06:25] <Riddell> ScottK: all promoted
[06:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[06:26] <NCommander> ScottK, I'm uploading my PPA if you don't wish to test build
[06:29] <ScottK> NCommander: Link me at some point.  I'm going to be here soonish.
[06:29] <NCommander> ScottK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/+bug/308814
[06:29] <NCommander> I know the python-qt4 is perfect, if your not going to upload for alpha 2, then I'm going to rebuld kde4libs all the way through on ARM (which will take about two days)
[06:30] <ScottK> Riddell: Comments on uploading the armel fixes for Alpha 2 or wait until after the freeze?
[07:09] <_Groo_> hey/2 all
[07:09] <_Groo_> anyone alive?
[07:10] <_Groo_> im working on kipi-plugins 0.2 and digikam 0.10 for intrepid/jaunty
[07:10] <_Groo_> also i finished koffice2-kde4 beta4 and kvirc 4.00
[08:09] <_Groo_> hi/2 all..
[08:09] <_Groo_> anyone alive yet?
[08:10] <Hobbsee> no, everyone's dead.
[08:10] <Hobbsee> they were earlier though, before you came in the first time.  go figure
[08:11] <_Groo_> Hobbsee: hehehe
[08:12] <_Groo_> ok, i now finished kipi-plugins 0.2.0 for kde4, compiling digikam 0.10 for kde4 , fixed kvirc and koffice2-kde4 beta 4... where can i dump all my work? (dont say trash pls) :P
[08:14] <_Groo_> Hobbsee: are you there>
[08:16] <crimsun> _Groo_: perhaps revu or a ppa
[08:18] <Hobbsee> (no)
[08:21] <_Groo_> crimsun: my idea was for you guys to review it so we could add it for intrepid + jaunty
[08:21] <_Groo_> maybe in kubuntu-experimetal ppa
[08:43] <_Groo_> digikam-kde4 0.10 beta6 is complete + kipi-plugins 0.2.0 beta 5 :)
[08:44] <_Groo_> gwenview also inherited the kipi plugins out of the box :D
[09:11] <gnomefreak> what is the main lib now for kde? used to be libmt3 IIRC?
[09:15] <chris062689> Anyone know when KDE 4.2 Beta 2 is going to be packaged?
[09:16] <Trouble> Yes and yes
[09:16] <chris062689> "When it gets done?" :D
[09:16] <Trouble> lol you got it
[09:17] <chris062689> Do you happen to know how to get the tempature monitor in the new KDE 4.2 "System Monitor" widget working?
[09:17] <Trouble> I've no idea really, I know they are working hard :)
[09:17] <Trouble> the beta 2 release date was pushed back a day (to today)
[09:17] <chris062689> I've running Neon right now, and it's really stable.
[09:17] <chris062689> Oh?  It's on the KDE release announcement...
[09:17] <Trouble> I haven't tried the temperature monitor yet I'm afraid
[09:18] <chris062689> I can't figure out how to get it working :(
[09:18] <chris062689> And that (for me) is one of the most exiciting features :)
[09:18] <Trouble> Where's the release announcement?
[09:18] <chris062689> I could have swarn I saw it...
[09:18] <chris062689> *shrugs*
[09:18] <Trouble> It's not on the KDE homepage yet
[09:18] <chris062689> Oh well, the Neon build is as close as it's going to get to Beta 2 right now ^_^;
[09:19] <Trouble> Though they've started to edit the beta 1 release page
[09:19] <Trouble> (http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.2-beta2.php)
[09:19] <Trouble> So I'm sure they'll publish it on the home page later today
[09:19] <chris062689> Yeah, that's what I read.
[09:19] <chris062689> Someone must have posted to the edited article >_>
[09:19] <Trouble> Yea :)
[09:20] <chris062689> Im still amazed at how stable it is
[09:20] <chris062689> Heck, they might as well release THIS as 4.2; since there's going to be no new features lol
[09:21] <chris062689> DOH
[09:21] <chris062689> Plasma just crashed, lol
[09:22] <Trouble> rofl
[09:22] <chris062689> I want to help develop Kubuntu, but.. I have zero experience at packaging, programming, (anything really)
[09:22] <chris062689> I know a decent amount about Linux in general though
[09:26] <gnomefreak> was libqt3-mt updated for kde4? or is there a different lib in its place?
[09:34] <cbr> can i report bugs about 4.2?
[09:34] <cbr> or should i report them to the kde.org bugzilla or smth?
[10:11] <nicolab80> Hi
[10:11] <nicolab80> I'm a c++ developer
[10:11] <nicolab80> I would like to help you
[10:13] <nicolab80> I have previous experience with qt
[10:15] <nicolab80> Is there any task for me?
[10:24] <Arby> almost certainly, we just need to find the right one :)
[10:24] <Arby> Riddell: apachelogger what have we got for a willing c++ coder ^^ ?
[10:25] <_Groo_> nicolab80: did you read http://www.kde.org/getinvolved/ ?
[10:25] <_Groo_> Arby: btw ive completed to port kipi-plugins 0.2.0 and digikam 0.10
[10:25] <_Groo_> Arby: also fixed kvirc and koffice2 beta4
[10:29] <_Groo_> no one gives a damn for my work oO
[10:33] <Arby> _Groo_: sorry I'm at work
[10:33] <Arby> got called away
[10:34] <_Groo_> Arby: :P :)
[10:34] <Arby> _Groo_: you need somebody to review your work and then upload
[10:34] <Arby> and I can't do that
[10:35] <_Groo_> Arby: yeah, im waiting for apachelogger to show up... compiling in the ppa meanwhile
[10:35] <Arby> _Groo_: yep, he's your man :)
[10:36] <Arby> mornings (European time) are always quiet in here for some reason
[10:36] <_Groo_> Arby: im in latin america but yeah... ppl are all sleepy :D
[10:36] <_Groo_> Arby: where are you from?
[10:36] <Arby> _Groo_: UK
[10:37] <_Groo_> Arby: im portuguese, but living currently in brasil
[10:37] <_Groo_> Arby: my brother is in london
[10:37] <Arby> cool, the more the merrier
[10:37] <Arby> having non-English speakers is always handy to :)
[10:38] <Arby> right, better stop slacking and get back to work
[10:38] <Arby> _Groo_: stick around, your work is more than welcome :)
[10:38]  * Arby -> $dayjob
[10:39] <_Groo_> Arby: :)
[10:50] <nicolab80> _Groo_: I read
[10:51] <nicolab80> is it better to work with kubuntu or kde?
[10:53] <_Groo_> nicolab80: kubuntu is a distro.. kde is the real thing (TM)...
[10:53] <_Groo_> nicolab80: you can work with both
[10:53] <_Groo_> nicolab80: open source is about choosing and beeing happy :)
[10:54] <nicolab80> :)
[10:54] <_Groo_> nicolab80: but kde also needs good qt devels..
[10:54] <_Groo_> i mean always
[10:55] <nicolab80> I'm looking for little task to start
[10:55] <_Groo_> choose a mentor in kde and they'll guide you along
[10:56] <nicolab80> ok! Thank you!
[10:56] <_Groo_> nicolab80: you welcome
[12:29] <cbr> changing channels in irssi in konsole 4.1.85 takes like half a second :o
[12:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: that rsibreak thing got nothing todo with neon at all
[12:35] <apachelogger> Sime: pretty pretty please take a look at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177965
[12:41] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sebr said the amarok 2 package still seems to have a ruby dep - can you check that please?
[12:42] <apachelogger> possible
[12:42] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I am not going to rebuild them because of that though
[12:42] <Nightrose> *nod*
[12:42] <Nightrose> for the next release though
[12:43] <Nightrose> something to keep in mind
[12:43] <apachelogger> or something to fix and commit right away :P
[12:43] <Nightrose> :P
[12:43] <Nightrose> even better
[12:44] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: upstream fixed the moon
[12:44] <JontheEchidna> committed for rc1
[12:44]  * apachelogger also drops the workspace dep as well
[12:47] <apachelogger> wth
[12:47] <apachelogger> "I think 1024x768 is probably the most widely used size of screen on laptops."
[12:47] <apachelogger> does our prophet live on the moon?... to connect to what JontheEchidna said :P
[12:51] <apachelogger> Nightrose: committed
[12:51]  * Nightrose hands apachelogger a cookie
[12:51] <Nightrose> thx :)
[12:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you didn't bump build deps in kdeartwork
[12:52]  * apachelogger eats cookie
[13:01] <_Groo_> apachelogger: eyah apachelogger
[13:02] <_Groo_> apachelogger: have a few goodies for you today :)
[13:02] <apachelogger> that doesn't sound good
[13:02] <_Groo_> apachelogger: kipi-plugins 0.2.0 for kde4 (intrepid backport) and digikam 0.10.0 f for kde4 (same thing).. both are jaunty compatible
[13:02] <_Groo_> also i fixed the kvirc package
[13:03] <_Groo_> kipi and digikam are available from my ppa
[13:03] <apachelogger> digikam can't build against 4.1
[13:03] <apachelogger> thus kipi is a no-go as well
[13:03] <_Groo_> i can send you the diffs if you want.. tested it a lot... gewnview inherited kipi-plguins just fine also
[13:03] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ist for kde 4.2... ence the build for kubuntu-experiemtnal
[13:04] <_Groo_> apachelogger: the idea is to include them for jaunty and kde 4.2 beta 2
[13:04] <apachelogger> so what does this have to do with intrepid-backports?
[13:08] <_Groo_> apachelogger: no, i explained it wrongly.. i meant i built in in intrepid using the kubuntu-experimetnal ppa dep... so it can be included in the next kde 4.2 beta 2 AND jaunty
[13:09] <apachelogger> hm
[13:10] <apachelogger> _Groo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[13:10] <apachelogger> besides, someone is working on digikam I think
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> ^^working on it for jaunty anyways
[13:11] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i already did it...
[13:11] <apachelogger> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=digikam-kde4
[13:12] <_Groo_> ok
[13:12] <_Groo_> how about kipi?
[13:12] <_Groo_> kipi should be treated as a new package in jaunty?
[13:12] <apachelogger> no kipi before digikam kde3 is kicked out
[13:12] <_Groo_> since is a kde4 version
[13:12] <apachelogger> _Groo_: depends on how you packaged it
[13:12] <apachelogger> but usually not
[13:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: why digikam-kde4 btw?
[13:12] <apachelogger> if you happen to know
[13:12] <_Groo_> i packaged it as kipi-plugin-kde4 with kipi conflict for kde3 verison
[13:13] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: no clue
[13:13] <apachelogger> _Groo_: no need, AFAIK gwenview and digikam use it
[13:13] <apachelogger> so the kde3 version would either have to be removed or supersed
[13:13] <apachelogger> I would prefer the latter
[13:13] <_Groo_> digikam-kde4 so it wont ve confused and to be easier to conflict with digikam for kde3
[13:13] <apachelogger> there is no need for the KDE 3 version anymore
[13:13] <_Groo_> exactly
[13:14] <apachelogger> I find this all very confusing
[13:14] <_Groo_> but it still lives in intrepid.. so i created it with the kde4 added, anyway it appears to be the standard for new packages anyway for kde4.. amarok-kde4, krvirc-kde4, etc
[13:14] <apachelogger> it is not
[13:15] <apachelogger> there is no amarok-kde4 in jaunty because it will be added as amarok once mysql 5.1 is available
[13:15] <_Groo_> intrepid still has digikam and kipi (kde3) version, who dont have any more deps.. since gwenview (which is kde4) isnt using kipi...
[13:16] <_Groo_> so to be able to maintain digikam and kipi (if you choose to use kde3) and still be able to use kde4 versions safely, i named them kipi kde4 and digikam kde4 which conflicts with the kde3 versions just to be safe
[13:16] <apachelogger> hm
[13:16] <apachelogger> I think I get the thinking problem here
[13:17] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you should be thinking about jaunty
[13:17] <apachelogger> and in jaunty digikam as well as kipi ought to replace their KDE 3 counterparts
[13:17] <_Groo_> its a matter of renaming the damn thing anyway :O i couldnt care less what name you devs give the damn thing.. im just rtying to help and create the packages with all deps and stuff correctly.. the name is the least impopirtant opart
[13:18] <_Groo_> yes, but i made this first packages specifically for kde 4.2 beta 2!!!! to be used with kde-experimental since beta2 is around the corner.. and this same packages can be used for jaunty, just need to be renamed
[13:18]  * apachelogger cuts the jaunty part
[13:19]  * _Groo_ gonna start to kill some kitties
[13:19] <_Groo_> small ones... cute ones
[13:19] <apachelogger> _Groo_: I don't agree on the -kde4 suffix for kipi
[13:20] <apachelogger> it forces us to introduce appropriate repalces in jaunty
[13:20] <apachelogger> can live with digikam-kde4
[13:20] <apachelogger> anyway
[13:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so what you sugest for kde-experimental?
[13:20] <apachelogger> _Groo_: go talk to JontheEchidna, he's working on b2, he can upload your stuff to experimental along with it
[13:21]  * JontheEchidna waves
[13:21] <_Groo_> hi JontheEchidna
[13:21]  * JontheEchidna has been reading
[13:21] <apachelogger> that said
[13:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: didn't our very own tonio upload kipi already?
[13:21] <apachelogger> ...jauntywise...
[13:22] <_Groo_> )(@#*(*@#*&#*(#*&@*!&)!(*@(!&@*!)*&!@(*!(@*)!(*@)(!*@
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> I think tonio did kipi-plugins for his ppa at least
[13:22] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive?field.name_filter=kipi&field.status_filter=published
[13:22] <_Groo_> its easy to do for jaunty.. is harder for intrepid
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> but it's not in experimental
[13:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: link
[13:22] <apachelogger> _Groo_: how so?
[13:22] <_Groo_> since you need the experimental ppa, and force some libs
[13:22] <apachelogger> Oo
[13:22] <_Groo_> example..
[13:23] <_Groo_> intrepid has libkdcraw5 , experimetnal as libkdcraw7 and kipi + digikam NEED libkdcraw7
[13:23] <_Groo_> just a stupid ex... jaunty is much more clean
[13:24] <_Groo_> so to be able to make this work with intrepid + experimetnap PPA you must be more careful when building the thing..
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> yeah, changes do need to be made when backporting. That's why it's called backporting :P
[13:25] <_Groo_> cause some libs must be carefully superseeded without breaking everything
[13:25] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: thanks for the sarcasm..
[13:26] <_Groo_> well anyway, its all in my ppa.. take it, leave it.. just trying to help, it isnt like im being paid or anything...
[13:58] <cbr> apachelogger: i'm using the amarok 2.0 which is packaged by you (?) from a ppa
[13:58] <cbr> can't seem to play tracks from one particular album
[13:58] <cbr> very strange
[13:58] <apachelogger> #amarok
[13:58] <apachelogger> maybe amarok2 is boken and we shouldn't ship it in jaunty
[13:58] <apachelogger> that said
[13:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: while browsing through comments on various sites I noticed that quite some people complained about Amark doing weird things with their collection
[13:59] <apachelogger> where Amarok claims metallica is bach or something like that
[14:00] <Nightrose> hmmmm not heard of any such complains yet
[14:00] <Nightrose> if you see them please give me links
[14:00] <apachelogger> I think there was such a claim with screenie on golem
[14:00] <apachelogger> lemme check
[14:01] <apachelogger> ha
[14:01] <apachelogger> first one :D
[14:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://forum.golem.de/read.php?29435,1557709,1557709#msg-1557709
[14:02] <Nightrose> thx
[14:03] <apachelogger> Nightrose: maybe it is a conversion issue?
[14:05] <Nightrose> apachelogger: yea might be
[14:05] <Nightrose> i'll talk to seb
[14:05] <apachelogger> thx
[14:13] <cbr> oh, it's actually not amarok
[14:13] <cbr> it's phonon
[14:13] <cbr> the xine backend 4.1.85 fails to play any music
[14:13] <cbr> and the gstreamer backend fails to play that album
[14:13] <apachelogger> cbr: in a KDE 4 environment?
[14:13] <cbr> yup
[14:13] <apachelogger> ... 4.2...
[14:14] <cbr> amarok 2.0 in 4.2 beta2
[14:15] <cbr> oh
[14:15] <cbr> maybe i need the libxine-ffmpeg stuff
[14:15] <apachelogger> that is very possible :P
[14:17] <cbr> uhuh
[14:17] <cbr> that was probably it in case of xine :p
[14:17] <cbr> yeah, and xine plays that album as well
[14:17] <cbr> so it's the gstreamer backend to blame
[14:19]  * cbr uninstalls everything gstreamer-related in a moment of blind anger
[14:19] <cbr> :p
[14:19] <cbr> openoffice needs gstreamer?
[14:26] <apachelogger> cbr: it suggests/recommends it I think
[14:26] <apachelogger> they patched it to use gstreamer for multimedia content (in presentations for example)
[14:26]  * apachelogger doesn't get why they don't use the java multimedia stuff though
[14:27]  * JontheEchidna doesn't get why they use java at all :P
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> java is to JontheEchidna as python is to apachelogger
[14:28] <apachelogger> you don't know how to speak tha java?
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> nein!
[14:29] <apachelogger> oh dear
[14:48] <f4l3> hi
[14:48] <Notch-1> hi, i'm looking for the persistent/casper mode developers, can somebody help me?
[14:49] <f4l3> I was looking to help the packaging of kde4.2b
[14:51] <f4l3> who's working on packaging 4.2?
[14:52]  * apachelogger raises hand
[14:52]  * JontheEchidna raises hand
[14:53] <apachelogger> Notch-1: the what now?
[14:53] <apachelogger> hellos btw ;-)
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> we're pretty much done with the packaging though
[14:54] <Notch-1> apachelogger: ?? i don't understand :P
[14:54] <f4l3> JontheEchidna: have you packaged the libmsn?
[14:55] <Notch-1> ahhhh, you are the developer? :D
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> f4l3: working on that right now actually
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> kdenetwork is the only one left :)
[14:55] <apachelogger> Notch-1: the developer of what?
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> ahaha: http://flickr.com/photos/30999249@N04/3112940773/sizes/o/
[14:56] <Notch-1> apachelogger: the persistent mode
[14:56] <Notch-1> (the casper scripts)
[14:57] <Notch-1> googling "persistent" i got only tons of howtos...
[14:58] <apachelogger> my brain behaves just like google
[14:58] <Notch-1> :D
[14:58] <apachelogger> casper is the livesession/installer thingy, isn't it?
[14:58] <Notch-1> good for you then :D
[14:58] <Notch-1> yes
[14:58] <apachelogger> Notch-1: #ubuntu-devel
[14:58] <f4l3> JontheEchidna: ok, I think that I will have to wait to help, then ;)
[14:58] <f4l3> but maybe I'll be able to work on kdevelop4, if noone did it already
[14:58] <apachelogger> I don't think we have a capser developer here
[14:59] <Notch-1> right, i should know this :P
[14:59] <apachelogger> f4l3: do you have the tars for that?
[14:59] <Notch-1> thanks, anyway
[14:59] <f4l3> apachelogger: tars?
[14:59] <f4l3> .tar?
[14:59] <apachelogger> f4l3: tarballs for kdevelop4/kdevplatform
[14:59] <apachelogger> yus .tar ;-)
[15:00] <f4l3> apachelogger: the source is not in the kde's svn?
[15:00] <apachelogger> f4l3: the source, but not the tarballs
[15:00] <apachelogger> we use to package releases not SVN snapshots ;-)
[15:01] <f4l3> apachelogger: http://websvn.kde.org/tags/kdevelop/3.9.84/ ;)
[15:01] <f4l3> apachelogger: Is a beta, I guess
[15:01] <f4l3> I was asking because I have seen a very good review on planet, yesterday
[15:01] <apachelogger> f4l3: something prereleases at least
[15:02] <apachelogger> f4l3: feel free to prepare the packages
[15:02] <f4l3> apachelogger: after I'll pass it to you?
[15:03] <apachelogger> yes
[15:03] <apachelogger> or ScottK or Riddell...
[15:03] <f4l3> whola package or only some files?
[15:03] <f4l3> *whole
[15:04] <apachelogger> f4l3: usually diff.gz and dsc are enough
[15:04] <f4l3> dsc?
[15:04] <apachelogger> the .dsc file
[15:04] <f4l3> ah, ok
[15:05] <apachelogger> f4l3: you might want to take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[15:06] <f4l3> apachelogger: ok, thankyou
[15:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did I laugh at you already?
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> uh
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> in regards to what?
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> :P
[15:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: haha! my akonadi is superior to yours :P
[15:18] <apachelogger> or maybe it is not
[15:18] <BluesKaj> akonadi is a bit of a mystery to me , can i use it to serve files on our windows network ?
[15:18] <apachelogger> b
[15:19] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: no
[15:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ahhh, all my fault
[15:19]  * apachelogger forgot to batbuild
[15:21] <BluesKaj> tried uninstalling akonadi ,but it wants to take most of kde with it ... i find that kind of a pi**-off :(
[15:22] <apachelogger> so don't uninstall it
[15:28] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, nothing like stating the obvious ... smartass eh
[16:29]  * apachelogger doesn't get the problem
[16:43] <apachelogger> NCommander: in bzr the changelog distro should be UNRELEASED until the revision gets uploaded
[17:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: Are you looking into NCommander's changes?
[17:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: just stumbled upon kdelibs when I was pushing the remaining .85 branches
[17:25] <apachelogger> ScottK, NCommander: <knusperfrosch> apachelogger: PyQt4 isn't working anymore, don't know if this related to kde-4.1.80 packages: the sip module supports API v3.0 to v3.7 but the PyQt4.QtCore module requires API v3.8
[17:26] <apachelogger> any ideas about that?
[17:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.
[17:26] <apachelogger> very weird
[17:27] <ScottK> I remember NCommander complaining about his eyes bleeding when he looked at the SIP code.
[17:27] <knusperfrosch> PyQt4 isn't working anymore, don't know if this related to kde-4.1.80 packages: the sip module supports API v3.0 to v3.7 but the PyQt4.QtCore module requires API v3.8
[17:27] <ScottK> I don't suppose there's a handy new SIP release that fixes that?
[17:28] <apachelogger> hm
[17:28] <apachelogger> knusperfrosch: are you on intrepid?
[17:28] <knusperfrosch> yes
[17:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are sip4 and pyqt from jaunty backported?
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> yus
[17:29] <apachelogger> very weird
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> I backported the latest of both yesterday
[17:29] <apachelogger> knusperfrosch: did you update since then?
[17:30] <knusperfrosch> did today
[17:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: or are they not published yet?
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> I copied them over to -experimental
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> they should be published by now
[17:31]  * ScottK wonders what version of SIP knusperfrosch has installed?
[17:32] <knusperfrosch> ScottK: give me a packagename
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> for some reason sip never made it
[17:33] <nixternal> I have started seeing a nasty bug that I have yet to be able to troubleshoot
[17:34] <nixternal> setting: dual monitor, kde 4.2 beta packages from experimental, Intrepid
[17:34] <knusperfrosch> ScottK: python-sip4? 4.7.7-1
[17:34] <ScottK> knusperfrosch: sip4 or python-sip4
[17:34] <ScottK> Yes
[17:34] <nixternal> every now and then when I kick in the dual screen, the 2nd display will split in half and show part of the 1st desktop and then part of the 2nd desktop
[17:34]  * JontheEchidna copies over 4.7.9 to experimental
[17:34] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Great.
[17:34] <ScottK> knusperfrosch: That should solve that problem.
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> knusperfrosch: sorry about that
[17:35] <nixternal> annoying, but no biggy...and then out of nowhere, either KDE or xorg keeps bombing out...and it just started doing this
[17:35] <knusperfrosch> JontheEchidna: thx for fixing!
[17:35] <knusperfrosch> JontheEchidna: i'd complain if i wouldn't use experimental *g*
[17:36]  * ScottK thinks maybe we need an even scarier name.
[17:36] <rgreening> scarimental?
[17:36] <knusperfrosch> LOL
[17:36] <rgreening> urmentalifuusethisppa?
[17:36] <ScottK> kubuntu-experimental-data-eating
[17:37]  * nixternal notes that trunk build is far more stable than experimental packages
[17:37] <knusperfrosch> well adept in 8.04 was dataeating
[17:37] <rgreening> num-num-num
[17:37] <ScottK> nixternal: Then I guess you aren't having any X problems?
[17:37] <knusperfrosch> ate alsmost all my backages, linux without a kernel isn't really usefull...
[17:37] <nixternal> don't have trunk running on my work laptop
[17:37] <nixternal> only at home on my build box
[17:38] <ScottK> Oh.
[17:38] <knusperfrosch> i'd rather say: don't have any lts version running on your work laptop ;)
[17:38] <nixternal> anyone want to move to Chicago and work for me?
[17:38] <nixternal> if you are hot stuff, then we would help pay for moving
[17:38] <jussi01> nixternal: depends how much you are paying ;P
[17:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: Are you uploading NCommander's kde4libs change?
[17:39] <nixternal> you would be doing: Linux Development, RPM Packaging, Appliance hardware R&D
[17:39] <jussi01> but Im not hot stuff, so no.
[17:39] <ScottK> nixternal: For RPM packaging it'd have to be a lot.
[17:39] <nixternal> RPM packaging until we switch of course to either rPath or Ubuntu
[17:39] <knusperfrosch> i'll move anywhere for a any number with more than 6 digits
[17:39] <knusperfrosch> ..except bagdad
[17:39] <nixternal> rPath is currently winning in the battle due to the ability to roll back updates properly
[17:40]  * jussi01 sends knusperfrosch to zimbabwe for 6 of their digits :P
[17:40] <nixternal> knusperfrosch: every civilian in baghdad is making 6 figures and then some
[17:40] <apachelogger> ScottK: I am leaving in less than 5 minutes + I think we should leave it alone for now, I will upload a new tarball once the alpha is out anyway
[17:40] <nixternal> that's like $11 USD jussi01 :)
[17:40] <rgreening> oh baby nixternal
[17:40] <jussi01> nixternal: today maybe, tomorrow itll be 5$
[17:41] <nixternal> plus I am not going to pay someone who works for me the same pay :)
[17:41] <ScottK> apachelogger: Sounds good.  I'm all for waiting, but was going to do python-qt4 if you were doing kde4libs, just to keep them in sync.
[17:41] <apachelogger> ok, I'll poke you when I am uploading kde4libs
[17:42]  * ScottK goes back to trying to figure out why uploading kdeplasma-addons didn't make it disappear off of http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/jaunty_probs.html
[17:44] <nixternal> ScottK: libplasma3?
[17:44] <nixternal> that's all I changed in that package and it worked for me
[17:45] <nixternal> I thought Jaunty had 4.1.80+ not 4.1.2
[17:45] <knusperfrosch> nixternal: what do you use for dualhead? on my intel-855gm im using a virtual desktop
[17:45] <ScottK> nixternal: It does.
[17:46] <ScottK> nixternal: That's from a while ago.
[17:46] <nixternal> knusperfrosch: Intel 945GM using xrandr
[17:46] <nixternal> ahhh, OK
[17:46] <knusperfrosch> s/desktop/display/
[17:46] <nixternal> ScottK: changing libplasma2 to libplasma3 in the depends fixed the "uninstallable binaries"
[17:46] <ScottK> Yeah, well we uploaded that yesterday.
[17:46] <nixternal> and it is still booged huh
[17:47] <ScottK> So now I'm looking for rdpends causing the old version to hang around NBS.
[18:00] <ScottK> NCommander: Any idea why kde4bindings no longer even tries to get built on hppa? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kde4bindings/4:4.1.85-0ubuntu1
[18:05] <ScottK> NCommander: Bug #306005 relates.
[18:31] <ScottK> vorian: Gotta version the conflicts on the old package for transitional packages or you get total uninstallabliity.
[18:35]  * ScottK decides to punt the transitional package.
[18:55]  * ScottK kicks konversation off the CD.
[18:55] <ScottK> (Gotta make room).
[19:02] <jussi01> ScottK: so what are the current thoughts on quassel?
[19:03] <seele> wow.. i feel like we've had this conversation already.  quassel isn't an option for the default irc client
[19:04] <jussi01> seele: ok. thats what I was waitign for the update on. thanks.
[19:06] <ScottK> jussi01: I've been using it for several days now and I have to agree.
[19:07] <jussi01> ScottK: out of curiousity, are you using git or the version in ubuntu?
[19:07]  * JontheEchidna didn't have the patience to set quassel up to even work
[19:07] <ScottK> In about two hours, someone please remind me if I did put my kdeplasma-addons changes in bzr.
[19:07] <ScottK> jussi01: Jaunty version backported to Intrepid.
[19:08] <jussi01> !info quassel jaunty
[19:09] <jussi01> ScottK: ok. well many thanks for considering it, I would have loved to see it happen, and the quassel devs also (they did say give them a list of things to fix) but anyway. moving on. thanks again.
[19:10] <ScottK> jussi01: I started a list, but each time I made a note, I hit one or two more things.
[19:10] <jussi01> ScottK: hehe. ok then.
[19:11] <ScottK> Fundamentally though, I think the two part split would cause lots of support problems, even though one need not use it.
[19:11] <ScottK> Working tab completion would be nice.
[19:11] <ScottK> I also tried their bug tracker to see if stuff was already reported and couldn't figure out how to search.
[19:11] <jussi01> ScottK: the two part split thing could be disabled by default, and working tab completion? what doesnt work about it?
[19:12] <ScottK> Completes the first match instead of giving you a list of possible completions like Konversation (or Bash) does.
[19:12] <jussi01> ScottK: and in mantis, just for the future, you click view issues, then there is a search box ;)
[19:13] <ScottK> Tried thesearch box to no obvious effect
[19:13] <jussi01> ScottK: ahh, you prefer that way, could be added easily. thing is, continue pressing tab and it cycles through them
[19:14] <ScottK> See, I had no idea of that and didn't try as it's not the way tab completion normally works.
[19:14] <jussi01> ScottK: konversation has an option to set it like that... (last time i checked)
[19:19] <ScottK> BTW, CD is currently seriously over-sized, so please have a look at kubuntu-meta and I'd like recommendations on what else we can punt off the CD.
[19:20] <smarter> well, it's the way tab completion works on a shell, so I find it normal imho :]
[19:20]  * ScottK heads out for a while.
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: bluez-cups and -utils, since they dont' work anyway
[19:21] <ScottK> Right.  I dumped kdebluetooth, but not those.
[19:21] <ScottK> Others?
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> real men don't use gdebi-kde
[19:22] <smarter> when we'll finally have a replacement for knetworkmanager, I'll guess we'll be able to remove the kdelibs?
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> okular-extra-backends looks optional today
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> not that big though
[19:24] <smarter> oh, there is still k3b, grmbl
[19:25] <jussi01> anyone know when k3b is getting ported/done?
[19:26] <smarter> it's been in porting for years :P
[19:26] <jussi01> smarter: lol... see the last word... :P
[19:26]  * JontheEchidna awaits official beta2 release announcement so he can announce the kubuntu one
[19:28] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: delayed until tomorrow last i heard
[19:29] <Nightrose> so at least another 10 hours i'd say - probably more
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: that's what I heard yesterday
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> :(
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> stoopid timezones
[19:34] <jjesse> damn those timezones, why can't everyone just operate on my timezone
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> AHAHAHA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfReGE5VNDM
[20:25]  * JontheEchidna squirted milk out of his nose on the christmas kangaroo part
[20:38] <smarter> ~time JontheEchidna
[20:38] <kubotu> America - New York - Wed Dec 17 15:39 EST
[20:44] <ScottK> That's a good TZ for me.  Let's all use that one.
[20:46] <ScottK> okular-extra-backends only saves 67K and we need ~14mb.
[20:56] <apachelogger> wooohoo
[20:56] <apachelogger> vbox got 3d support
[20:57] <DaSkreech> mornfall: Bye Mornfall
[20:58]  * apachelogger hugs mornfall and hands him a box of cookies
[20:59] <mornfall> Yeah. Goodbye folks.
[20:59]  * DaSkreech mourns
[20:59] <DaSkreech> I love adept :(
[20:59] <mornfall> Don't forget to keep the fire.
[20:59] <DaSkreech> Debtags make me smile
[21:00] <mornfall> :) ... :(
[21:00] <apachelogger> ~np
[21:00] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Jingle Bells" by Diana Krall [Christmas Songs, 2005]
[21:01]  * DaSkreech goes into convulsions
[21:01] <mornfall> Well, take care. Don't forget to tend to the campfire. I might get back (one of those days).
[21:01] <ScottK> apachelogger: Where are we going to save 14 MB off the CD?
[21:01]  * apachelogger creates a statis field around the campfire
[21:01] <DaSkreech> mornfall: Will you at least hang out here so we can throw cookie crumbs atyou?
[21:01] <DaSkreech> The Windows apps :)
[21:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: kick kdepim and akonadi off it
[21:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: Why that?
[21:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: because it drags in mysql-* which should be ~40
[21:02] <ScottK> Ah.
[21:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: or docs, they are not updated yet I think
[21:02] <mornfall> DaSkreech: Dunno. I guess I'll keep hanging in until I do the oh-so-long deferred channel cleanup.
[21:02] <ScottK> Right.
[21:03] <mornfall> Always glad to hear from you.
[21:03]  * DaSkreech makes a garland of debtags and hangs them around mornfall's neck
[21:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[21:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: time to write the beta2 nus?
[21:04] <apachelogger> or change the one Riddell created
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> I updated it already
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> should we wait to publish it until KDE puts the announcement on the homepage?
[21:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna++
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> hmm, the release info page is already linking to it
[21:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, yes, even though the annoucement doesn't state the usual embargo
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> but it 403's
[21:05] <apachelogger> which made a german nus site post the nus already
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> probably due to a copypasta
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it was posted to digg too
[21:06] <apachelogger> ahead of time ;-)
[21:07] <apachelogger> December 18, 2008. The KDE Community today announced the immediate availability of "Canaria"
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> it feels good to be early for once :)
[21:08] <NCommander> ScottK, random guess? Someone set that up in P-a-s
[21:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think kdepim/kmail/akonadi is a good choice.  Wanna do the seed updates?
[21:08] <ScottK> NCommander: Not afaict
[21:08] <DaSkreech> More reasons why Ubuntu will suck in 3 years
[21:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: I am not sober enough to do that really
[21:09] <ScottK> OK.  I'll do it up in a bit.
[21:09] <apachelogger> aye
[21:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, we are inefficient right now
[21:10] <Nightrose> quick everyone send him nice kde 4.2 screenshots ;-)   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-December/027022.html
[21:10]  * Nightrose already did
[21:10]  * JontheEchidna will make one of the cube
[21:10] <Xand3r> hey ho
[21:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I don't have an acceptable resolution
[21:11] <Nightrose> apachelogger: neither do i
[21:11] <Nightrose> so what?
[21:11] <apachelogger> unfortunately none of my laptops ever did
[21:11] <apachelogger> unfortunately I don't even know someone with a laptop that matches the requirements
[21:11] <Nightrose> hehe
[21:11] <Xand3r> i cant find kcontrol in the repo, thats normal i know, but how i shuld change kde3 settings like color sheme ?
[21:11] <apachelogger> or maybe I do, but I am not aware of it, which suggests I don't see that someone a lot, then again that wouldn't help me anyway
[21:12] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you don't
[21:12] <Nightrose> apachelogger: send one with the wrong resolution
[21:12] <apachelogger> wouldn't work anyway since KDE 3 and KDE 4 use the same config, so you would end up with a conflict
[21:12] <apachelogger> and you really don't want that
[21:12] <Xand3r> apachelogger: not the answere i want to here
[21:12] <apachelogger> Nightrose: will do a whole session tomorrow
[21:13] <Nightrose> hehe
[21:13] <Nightrose> good
[21:13] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you will be assimilated!!!!!
[21:13] <Xand3r> so how to solve my problem with the color?
[21:13] <apachelogger> you can't
[21:13]  * JontheEchidna cues evil laugh
[21:13] <Xand3r> gnaa, not good
[21:13] <apachelogger> or rather... you can ... just don't use KDE 3 software :P
[21:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Unless you show up in the next hour or so with a magic solution to CD size, kmail and kdepim are gonna poof off the CD.
[21:13] <apachelogger> poor pim :(
[21:15] <NCommander> what's eating up all the disk space on the CD?
[21:15] <seele> ScottK: eek what?
[21:15] <apachelogger> NCommander: openoffice
[21:15] <seele> ooo3?
[21:15] <NCommander> I thought we seeded koffice over OOo
[21:16] <ScottK> NCommander: Nope.
[21:16] <apachelogger> not yet anyway
[21:16] <LaserJock> hola
[21:16] <apachelogger> aloha LaserJock
[21:16] <seele> i dont think koffice was considered for jaunty
[21:16] <ScottK> seele: Temporary until we get the rdepends smaller.
[21:16] <LaserJock> does anybody know if there's final word on adept vs kpackagekit for Jaunty?
[21:16] <seele> yes
[21:16] <seele> unless kpackagekit blows up, we're going with it
[21:17] <smarter> http://web.mornfall.net/blog/farewell__44___adept.html
[21:17] <apachelogger> we can always patch kpackagekit so it blows up
[21:17] <seele> nooooo
[21:17] <smarter> :}
[21:17] <LaserJock> ok, followup. Does/will kpackagekit have the idea of optional Recommends?
[21:17] <NCommander>  ScottK did you get a word from Riddell on kde4bindings?
[21:17] <DaSkreech> Does it have debtags :-(
[21:17] <smarter> is there any other distro using kpackagekit atm?
[21:18] <LaserJock> i.e. will it be able to tell apt to do --no-install-recommends?
[21:18] <apachelogger> smarter: fedora 10 does I think
[21:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you have a list of the biggest packages on the CD?
[21:19] <kwwii> Riddell: have any knowledge of why kde doesn't use the fdo sound spec?
[21:19] <apachelogger> kwwii: fdo got a sound spec?
[21:20] <kwwii> apachelogger: indeed
[21:20] <kwwii> ubuntu uses it
[21:20] <apachelogger> kwwii: got a url at hand?
[21:20]  * JontheEchidna waits for the fdo toenail spec
[21:20] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: Submitted by the footclan?
[21:20] <kwwii> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/sound-theme-spec
[21:20] <kwwii> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~mccann/sound-theme-freedesktop/
[21:20] <kwwii> http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/libcanberra/
[21:21] <apachelogger> kwwii: I would suppose it is because the spec is still drafted?
[21:21]  * apachelogger for one wouldn't implement drafts
[21:22] <apachelogger> kwwii: I think ruphy was working on the spec though
[21:36] <apachelogger> hm
[21:36]  * apachelogger cries to jussi01 and Hobbsee
[21:36] <jussi01> apachelogger: ??
[21:36] <apachelogger> I just had to scroll 3 times to find out what I wanted to do
[21:37]  * apachelogger blames the connection flood
[21:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: so, what do we show off?
[21:38] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nice applets on the desktop of course ;-)
[21:38] <Nightrose> i just showed off my usual desktop
[21:38] <Nightrose> that is cool enough
[21:38] <apachelogger> mine is not
[21:38] <Nightrose> oh and with one of Wade's wallpapers of course ;-)
[21:39]  * apachelogger likes the one with KDE behind ze trees
[21:39] <Nightrose> jep
[21:39] <Nightrose> i used the red one with the wirl and the trees though
[21:40] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot189.png
[21:40] <apachelogger> maybe I should make one while I am working on the kubuntu-dev-tools it looks way more busy ;-)
[21:41] <Nightrose> what? no applets at all?
[21:41] <Nightrose> dude!
[21:41] <Nightrose> my desktop it full of them
[21:41] <apachelogger> I see my desktop two times a day, when I boot up in the morning and when I boot up again after work
[21:42] <Nightrose> hehe
[21:42] <Nightrose> i see it more often
[21:42] <apachelogger> besides, they would break all the time anyway
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> so how do we send our pics in?
[21:49] <DaSkreech> No kpackagekit for ibex?
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/TOWdv9.html
[21:51] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: nice!
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/CA9YP69.html
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> and thx :)
[21:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: mail to mark
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> oh noes
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> gtk-qt-engine broke
[21:55] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: is that not normal?
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> I mean, it's not displaying gtk as qt at all
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> oh, there we go. must have beena fluke
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> ugh, launchpad is being slow
[22:06] <LaserJock> jockey-kde should be installed by default, right?
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> yes
[22:08] <LaserJock> anybody happen to be interested in Education on Kubuntu?
[22:12] <DaSkreech> you mean edubeuntu-desktop-kde ?
[22:13] <LaserJock> well ....
[22:13] <LaserJock> that's sort of where I was heading
[22:14] <LaserJock> I could mostly use some testers/advisors
[22:15]  * DaSkreech proposes everyone send Mark pictures of their desktop
[22:15] <jussi01> LaserJock: what level of education is being targeted????
[22:16] <LaserJock> jussi01: well, all levels really, but most of our stuff is for pre-school and primary school kids
[22:16] <LaserJock> jussi01: but we're working on secondary and tertiary as well
[22:16] <jussi01> LaserJock: ahh ok then. :)
[22:16] <jussi01> LaserJock: cant wait to see the secondary and tertiary ones
[22:17] <LaserJock> we've had an edubuntu-desktop-kde metapackage for some time, but I don't think it's very nice for Kubuntu users
[22:17] <DaSkreech> In what way?
[22:18] <ScottK> kwwii: Riddell's on vacation, so it might be a while before you get an answer.
[22:18] <LaserJock> DaSkreech: well, we still have a lot of Gnome apps in it
[22:18] <DaSkreech> It's an edubuntu package
[22:19] <LaserJock> DaSkreech: for instance, we have dia-gnome, gpaint, pessulus, etc.
[22:19] <DaSkreech> It doesn't care about the desktop
[22:19] <DaSkreech> It cares about education
[22:19] <LaserJock> DaSkreech: well, but there are some apps that have different gnome/kde equivalents
[22:19] <DaSkreech> (ignoring that Edubuntu tried for a year to get rid of KDE apps)
[22:19] <LaserJock> DaSkreech: that's not exactly true
[22:20] <DaSkreech> It is exactly true
[22:20] <kwwii> ScottK: he's a loser then :p
[22:20] <kwwii> thanks for the heads up
[22:20] <ScottK> kwwii: He's been on vacation for both Alpha milestones this cycle.  Very convenient for him.
[22:20] <LaserJock> DaSkreech: please don't go into that, I'm just trying to get something better suited for Kubuntu users
[22:21] <DaSkreech> LaserJock: What you are looking for is a KDE-edu package ?
[22:21] <kwwii> ScottK: lazy sod
[22:21] <LaserJock> DaSkreech: no, I want a Kubuntu-based educational meta-package
[22:21] <LaserJock> DaSkreech: most of the educational content is shared between the two meta-packages
[22:22] <LaserJock> but there are some side packages that I want to tailor more towards Kubuntu
[22:22] <DaSkreech> LaserJock: It wasn't for anything malicious they needed space on the CD it's hard enough as it is without having to ship two desktop libraries on a 700 MB cd and Ubuntu obviously has more support so they tried to see if they could dowith out the KDE apps. They couldn't so they shipped on Two CDs then they became an add on project but the point is they don't care about which desktop so an edubuntu package can feasilby ship with whatever
[22:22] <DaSkreech> LaserJock: So a kubuntu-edu ?
[22:23] <LaserJock> DaSkreech: but it *does* matter some what it ships with
[22:23] <LaserJock> on a technical level we dep on either ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop
[22:24] <LaserJock> and for some useful side applications we have either gnome or kde apps, I'd rather not make Kubuntu users install more than they need
[22:24] <DaSkreech> LaserJock: when you say the two educational packages you mean ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop ?
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> oh craps
[22:24] <LaserJock> I mean edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-desktop-kde
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> sent the email to the list instead of mark
[22:24] <LaserJock> those are our two metapackages
[22:25] <LaserJock> edubuntu-desktop deps on ubuntu-desktp and edubuntu-desktop-kde deps on kubuntu-desktop
[22:25] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: It's impressive enough to show off :)
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[22:25] <DaSkreech> ah ok cool
[22:26] <DaSkreech> But this approach is looking at it from a point of view education on Kubuntu rather than pure education?
[22:26] <LaserJock> DaSkreech: pretty much
[22:27] <LaserJock> we can't really do a very good job of pure education without integrating some with the underlying desktop
[22:27] <DaSkreech> What would be the difference between that and kde-edu ?
[22:27] <LaserJock> you mean the KDE-Edu project?
[22:28] <DaSkreech> I mean the kde-edu packages
[22:28] <DaSkreech> What makes this kubuntuish ?
[22:28] <LaserJock> well, we ship kde-edu of course
[22:28] <LaserJock> in all cases
[22:28] <LaserJock> but we also ship other things
[22:29] <LaserJock> a couple examples are gpaint and pessulus
[22:29] <DaSkreech> ok
[22:29] <LaserJock> those have KDE equivalents, perhaps krita and kiostool
[22:29] <DaSkreech> I'm not familar with gpaint
[22:29] <DaSkreech> Oh Iwas about to say I think there is a kpaint :)
[22:29] <LaserJock> right
[22:30] <DaSkreech> kiosktool doesn't exist for KDE4 as yet
[22:30] <LaserJock> right
[22:30] <LaserJock> that's where I need guidance
[22:30] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what alternatives would be good to use, etc.
[22:31] <DaSkreech> ok well how about a list of the packages that you would like reviewed and we can provide suitable alternatives and comments
[22:33] <LaserJock> gpaint, dia-gnome, gobby, inkscape, and screem would be the major ones
[22:34] <DaSkreech> inkscape would likely stay
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> kolourpaint could probably replace gpaint
[22:34] <DaSkreech> It's a best of breed.
[22:35] <DaSkreech> kolourpaint! That's it
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> there is a kobby but it hasn't seen a stable release
[22:35] <DaSkreech> gobby... Hmm There is Kollaborative but that's still beta
[22:35] <DaSkreech> Kobby :)
[22:35] <DaSkreech> !info screem
[22:35] <DaSkreech> Quanta
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> umbrella is a uml editor
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> *umbrello
[22:36] <DaSkreech> Quanta has a KDE version right?
[22:36] <DaSkreech> !info umbrello
[22:36] <DaSkreech> !info dia-gnome
[22:36] <DaSkreech> Is that the same thing though?
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> maybe not
[22:36] <DaSkreech> Doesn't sound like it
[22:37] <LaserJock> I think they're fairly similar though
[22:37] <ScottK> Quanta is still KDE3
[22:38] <LaserJock> I think dia is a bit more general, but it's used quite a bit for UML
[22:39]  * gustavonarea wonders if somebody is trying to bring Windows "features" over to Kubuntu
[22:39] <gustavonarea> I could open Kmail after restarting my system
[22:39] <DaSkreech> LIke crashing?
[22:39] <gustavonarea> no, please, that no, don't bring it here! ;-)
[22:41] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Any portage going on?
[22:41] <ScottK> I think so, but not yet mature.
[22:41] <DaSkreech> LaserJock: Would it be used for engineering type work? how does it fit into the Educational space?
[22:42] <DaSkreech> gustavonarea: perhaps a little more specific with the question?
[22:42] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Alpha Beta? Compiles on a tuesday when the moon glints on the lake while the amarok howls ?
[22:43] <ScottK> Dunno.  I think we have a kdewebdev-kde4 package or whatever it's called.
[22:43] <gustavonarea> DaKreech: No, I just wanted to let you know that my problem with Kmail was solved after restarting my computer (a trick typical on Windows)
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> quant-kde4 isn't included though
[22:43] <LaserJock> DaSkreech: I think for drawing simple things like flowcharts
[22:44] <DaSkreech> Ah yeah that's doable
[22:44] <DaSkreech> gustavonarea: A logout login would probably have worked then :)
[22:45] <gustavonarea> DaSkreech: Well, I upgraded from tty1 (not from X) and also restarted X many times because I had other problems to login (after I logged in, I was send back to the login screen)
[22:46] <DaSkreech> Glad a restart worked for you then :)
[22:47] <LaserJock> so quanta is in Universe now, is that right?
[22:48] <DaSkreech> !info quanta
[22:48] <DaSkreech> Version for KDE3
[22:48] <DaSkreech> yes
[22:48] <DaSkreech> I don't know how many KDE3 dependents we will have at Jaunty launch
[22:49] <DaSkreech>  though k3b and konversation certainly don't look to be moving anytime soon >_>
[22:49] <DaSkreech> Though both are in a state where a focused week would have them usable so..
[22:49] <Riddell> kwwii: the sound theme spec is yet another FD.o spec that was written by taking what gnome has, calling it a spec and not bothering to ask what KDE needs
[22:49] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Wasn't that the one that was asked not to wrap it in a C++ wrapper?
[22:50] <LaserJock> DaSkreech: so maybe kolourpaint and umbrello would be good, but leave the rest for now
[22:51] <LaserJock> I might leave out screem as it's sort of junky
[22:51] <LaserJock> I'd hate to have people install a chunk of Gnome for a buggy crashy package
[22:54] <Riddell> LaserJock: what's this?
[22:55] <LaserJock> Riddell: I'm working on edubuntu-desktop-kde
[22:55] <LaserJock> Riddell: making a bit better for Kubuntu people as we left quite a bit of gnome-based dependencies
[22:58] <Riddell> oh, nice
[22:59] <seele> w/in 5
[22:59] <rgreening> Riddell: hows you KDE4 porting skillz?
[22:59] <seele> grr
[22:59] <ScottK> If someone could start working on release notes for Alpha 2, that'd be great.
[23:00] <rgreening> where's jjesse :)
[23:00] <Riddell> rgreening: something needs porting?
[23:00] <ScottK> + KDE4.2 beta2 -Bluetooth is still broken and kmail/kdepim not on the CD (but can be installed from the archives).
[23:00] <rgreening> Riddell: you know that flash patch...
[23:00] <rgreening> Riddell: lot's of kde3'isms
[23:01] <rgreening> I've got some of it ported.. just working out the last bits...
[23:01] <rgreening> I may need to bug someone if I get stuck.
[23:01] <rgreening> :P
[23:02] <ScottK> nixternal: ^^^ Release notes???
[23:02] <NCommander> rgreening, !
[23:02] <kwwii> Riddell: agreed, so what can I do to take the next step and work things out
[23:02] <rgreening> NCommander: ola mon ami. Como estas? (talk about mixing lang packs)
[23:02] <kwwii> Riddell: even rodney agrees that the spec is b0rked
[23:03] <NCommander> Ew
[23:03] <kwwii> Riddell: who should I talk to?
[23:03] <Riddell> kwwii: what's the issue?
[23:04] <kwwii> Riddell: working out a decent cross desktop naming spec and set of compatible sounds to make a new theme
[23:05] <kwwii> Riddell: I was contacted by an experienced sound designer (hollywood films, famous games, several cell phone companies) who wants to make sounds for ubuntu, it would be a shame to miss kubuntu in the process
[23:06] <kwwii> ubuntu is currently following the fdo spec for sake of togetherness
[23:08] <Riddell> well hard way would be to find someone to change whatever KDE does to use whatever someone put on FD.o (for the sake of togetherness), easy way would be just to have the sounds installed with whatever configuration file KDE needs to use them
[23:08] <DaSkreech> LaserJock: This is for jaunty?
[23:08] <DaSkreech> !info scribus
[23:09] <DaSkreech> Isn't there a KDE SVG editor?
[23:09] <Riddell> not until koffice 2 comes out
[23:09] <kwwii> Riddell: I think it would come down to a mix of the two
[23:09] <kwwii> oh, and then there will be a good svg editor?
[23:09] <LaserJock> DaSkreech: yep
[23:10] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Scott willams?
[23:10] <kwwii> I spent quite some time explaining to someone how things should work...can't wait to see what comes out of that
[23:10] <Riddell> kwwii: I never saig "good" :)
[23:10] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Think any of the replacements named will have KDE4 stuff floatable by Jaunty?
[23:11] <kwwii> DaSkreech: never heard of him, link?
[23:11] <kwwii> google says he plays basketball
[23:11] <kwwii> which is a good talent
[23:11] <kwwii> but still....
[23:11] <Riddell> DaSkreech: replacements for what?
[23:11] <kwwii> Riddell: the funky thing is that karbon had a killer interface years ago
[23:12] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Pessulsus (sp) Screem, inkscape, gobby
[23:12] <kwwii> and yet, the app functionality/feature-set and stability simply lacked
[23:13] <kwwii> my 11 year old son got into inkscape the other day and is hooked
[23:14] <kwwii> he spends hours drawing...asking me questions again and again
[23:14] <kwwii> by the time he is 13 he will probably be able to do my job :p
[23:15] <LaserJock> DaSkreech: pessulus would be replaced by kiosktool
[23:15]  * DaSkreech signs him up on launchpad
[23:16] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Bah I meant Gregson Williams
[23:16] <Riddell> kiosktool is gone
[23:16] <Riddell> no KDE 4 version (yet)
[23:17] <DaSkreech> Kiosk wors though
[23:17] <DaSkreech> works
[23:17] <LaserJock> right, I'm just saying that it's the equivalent
[23:18] <LaserJock> we wouldn't dep on it until it's KDE4, but when it is we'll probably do it
[23:18] <kwwii> DaSkreech: nope, it's someone else :p
[23:18] <DaSkreech> Damn. I want people to weep when my login music plays :-P
[23:18] <kwwii> DaSkreech: Diego Stocco ...but don't go bothering him :p
[23:18]  * DaSkreech hugs LaserJock
[23:19] <DaSkreech> The master is working eh kwwii?
[23:19] <kwwii> ;)
[23:20] <DaSkreech> !!!
[23:20] <DaSkreech> He has a very loud site
[23:21] <DaSkreech> totally overruled my David bowie :(
[23:21] <DaSkreech> Ironically Sound and Vision >_>
[23:23] <kwwii> this guy knows what he is doing, seriously...it is freaky
[23:23] <kwwii> he sent a package of sounds made out of household items that would blow your mind
[23:23] <kwwii> I am really looking forward to the results
[23:23] <DaSkreech> Ha ha I should send you a mix a friend made
[23:23] <Riddell> how many sounds does ubuntu enable by default?
[23:24] <Riddell> we have two I think
[23:24] <DaSkreech> he was trying to do a CD and Windows kept crashing so he recorded the sound on his mac and windows crashing is by far the best track on the album
[23:24] <kwwii> :p
[23:24] <DaSkreech> When KDE4.0 shipped one of them was moving the mouse I swear. KDE just wouldn't keep quiet
[23:24] <kwwii> Riddell: a handfull
[23:25] <kwwii> The terminal bell and a generic bell for X11 or other window systems
[23:25] <kwwii> Actions
[23:25] <kwwii> <1s
[23:25] <kwwii> 11K
[23:25] <kwwii> bell.ogg
[23:25] <kwwii> Used for both bell-terminal and bell-window-system.
[23:25] <kwwii> When a button is pressed
[23:25] <kwwii> Input Feedback
[23:25] <kwwii> <1s
[23:25] <kwwii> 8.8K
[23:25] <kwwii> button-pressed.ogg
[23:26] <kwwii> When a toggle/check/radio button is deactivated.
[23:26] <kwwii> Input Feedback
[23:26] <kwwii> <1s
[23:26] <kwwii> 4.0K
[23:26] <kwwii> button-toggle-off.ogg
[23:26] <kwwii> When a toggle/check/radio button is activated.
[23:26] <kwwii> Input Feedback
[23:26] <kwwii> <1s
[23:26] <kwwii> 4.0K
[23:26] <kwwii> button-toggle-on.ogg
[23:26]  * DaSkreech kicks kwwii
[23:26] <kwwii> When a user logs into the system
[23:26] <kwwii> Notifications
[23:26] <kwwii> ~7s
[23:26] <kwwii> 102K
[23:26] <kwwii> desktop-login.ogg
[23:26] <kwwii> Time limited until desktop appears.
[23:26] <kwwii> When a user logs out of the system.
[23:26] <kwwii> Notifications
[23:26] <kwwii> ~1s
[23:26] <kwwii> 27K
[23:26] <kwwii> desktop-logout.ogg
[23:26] <kwwii> Time limited until desktop disappears.
[23:26] <kwwii> When a dialog is opened to explain an error condition to the user.
[23:26] <kwwii> Alerts
[23:27] <kwwii> <1s
[23:27] <kwwii> 11K
[23:27] <kwwii> dialog-error.ogg
[23:27] <DaSkreech> Can someone please kick him :(
[23:27] <kwwii> When a dialog is opened to give information to the user that may be pertinent to the requested action.
[23:27] <kwwii> Notifications
[23:27] <kwwii> <1s
[23:27] <kwwii> 5.3K
[23:27] <kwwii> dialog-information.ogg
[23:27] <kwwii> When a dialog is opened to ask the user a question.
[23:27] <kwwii> Notifications
[23:27] <kwwii> <1s
[23:27] <kwwii> 67K dialog-question.wav
[23:27] <kwwii> Linked to a non-standard name "question.wav” for the login manager (GDM). Advises the user to enter their login name.
[23:27] <kwwii> When a dialog is opened to give information to the user that may be pertinent to the requested action.
[23:27] <kwwii> Notifications
[23:27] <kwwii> ~1s
[23:27] <kwwii> 12K
[23:27] <kwwii> dialog-warning.ogg
[23:27] <kwwii> Played when the user enters the incorrect password in the login manager (GDM).
[23:27] <kwwii> When an phone/voip call is coming in.
[23:27] <kwwii> Actions
[23:27] <kwwii> ~2s
[23:27] <kwwii> 47K
[23:28] <kwwii> phone-incoming-call.ogg
[23:28] <kwwii> Usually some kind of ring sound.
[23:28] <kwwii> When a window is slided in or out by some means.
[23:28] <kwwii> Input Feedback
[23:28] <kwwii> <1s
[23:28] <kwwii> 6.9K
[23:28] <kwwii> window-slide.ogg
[23:28] <kwwii> Used for both window-slide-in and window-slide-out, for example when un/minimizing apps to the panel.
[23:28] <kwwii> ouch
[23:28] <kwwii> that sucked
[23:28] <kwwii> sorry
[23:28] <kwwii> no doubt
[23:28]  * kwwii stupid
[23:28] <kwwii> instead I will go to sleep
[23:28] <kwwii> good night and thanks for all the fish
[23:29] <LaserJock> heh, spam and run eh? ;-)
[23:29] <DaSkreech> LaserJock: nah he just thought that it would be done tomorrow sometime
[23:29] <LjL> DaSkreech: !ops would have had (slightly) more chances of success
[23:30] <DaSkreech> LjL: Yeah but ... I wanted him kicked with compassion
[23:30] <LjL> DaSkreech: well i'd have typed it myself (since i don't have access here) if it weren't for the fact that my keyboard's batteries failed exactly after !, o, p
[23:33] <LaserJock> bah, kolourpaint4 is in Main while kolourpaint is not
[23:35] <DaSkreech> !info kolourpaint
[23:35] <DaSkreech> !info kolourpaint4
[23:35] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[23:35] <LaserJock> I would have assumed that kolourpaint4 would be the transitional package
[23:35] <DaSkreech> Bug!
[23:37] <DaSkreech> kwwii: I've got to give him this. He understands sound very well
[23:52] <DaSkreech> Is beta 2 supposed to be live ?
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> sorta. I was a bit early hiting the copy button but it should be released in the next few hours
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> and we haven't announced it yet either so.. :P
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> Though I am about one click away from being able to publish the release story, when the time comes