[00:32] ok, so my wallpaper shows for about 2 seconds while my panel is loading, then disappears and I'm left with whatever background color I set in the appearance preference... I'm stumped [00:37] burner, when you set wall paper again then nothing shows up? [00:39] nothing except changing the color to whatever color was set for the new wallpaper [00:40] take a look to ~/.xsession-errors, maybe there is useful information about crashes [00:57] (gnome-panel:6660): Gdk-WARNING **: /build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.14.5/gdk/x11/gdkdrawable-x11.c:878 drawable is not a pixmap or window [00:58] could it be that? or possibly: [00:58] ** (nautilus:6663): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported [01:02] probably the second one [01:03] try killing all nautiluses and running one from terminal [01:05] no, this won't give you any information [01:13] killing nautilus and bringing it back doesn't even blip my wallpaper for the 2 seconds of it I see during logon [01:15] ah ha!!! [01:16] * burner checked sessions and noticed remote desktop was enabled... the box was unchecked to remove wallpaper when someone connects remotely... i checked it.. logged in remotely.. and when I logged off, the wallpaper came back! yatta! [01:17] sup pimps === elpargo is now known as mae === mae is now known as elpargo [01:18] yo wat sup? [01:20] * burner shrugs [01:23] yo why my thing going red when i try to put this in my computer? [01:29] yo anyone in here [01:29] VLAD-DA-IMPAILER, you are a little unclear [01:30] we are not sure what is "your thing" which is going to red [01:30] i try to install it, and i get red screen [01:30] is this just a blank screen or has it some text on it? [01:31] it's some kind of error [01:31] then all I can say, is you are getting some error, which you may know already [01:32] lol [01:32] when it gets to installing packages it throws an error , setup failed or sumtn [01:32] possibly a bad burn? run teh 'check cd for errors" thing? [01:33] but next time please read the error message carefully and write down, if needed [01:33] no, but not a bad burn, ive had this on many different versions of kubuntu [01:34] so you're trying to install Kubuntu but can't? [01:34] right [01:34] Kubuntu Jaunty alpha something? [01:34] yup [01:35] my friend said it was the best [01:35] you're just testing jaunty and it worked in intrepid for you? [01:35] if you're new to linux, i'd say wait on jaunty... it's alpha software. 8.10 "intrepid" was released in October and works pretty well [01:36] we could also say this was almost november [01:36] well, actually i have those failures on all nvchipset mobos, but right now i have the new amd chipset [01:36] with intrepid too? [01:36] yeah [01:37] try "ubuntu" ? [01:37] try from a USB installer? [01:37] and hardy? [01:38] i've never done a setup from usb, any guides? [01:38] havent try regular ubuntu, not a fan [01:38] yeah ok... kubuntu should be fine [01:39] ubuntu derivates make almost no difference, this cannot be the problem [01:40] As burner suggested, try intrepid again and ask on #ubuntu [01:40] and DON'T forget to write the error message down [01:40] oh, and im usually using the alternate versions [01:40] why not -desktop? [01:40] i like to setup software raid [01:42] * charlie-tca likes to try the live cd to make sure the system will work [01:43] most likely your error is about your software raid :) [01:43] lol... indeed [01:43] do u have a link to daily live kubuntu x64? [01:43] no, im experienced with that [01:44] what you use the software raid for? RAID-0? [01:44] raid0 most of the time [01:45] LVM aka logical volume management does this job more neatly [01:46] you could even attach newly connected drive to lvm and expand filesystem to it [01:46] i could never understand that lvm thing, [01:46] imagine you have hotswap mobo one day :) [01:47] and instead of saying your customers that you have to go offline to add drives, you simply attach new one, live [01:47] see gentoo handbooks for lvm management [01:49] why do u bring gentoo up? [01:49] I said see gentoo *handbooks* [01:50] these are superious, in my opinion [01:50] *superiour [01:50] i know , but where did gentoo come from? [01:50] from the fact they have good lvm docs [01:51] well, i don't need lvm, i do it by myself [01:51] yeah, thats the problem [01:52] no, im quite capable of setting up a few drives [01:53] by the way, if one wants to get good linux-administrator experience, then gentoo is the one to run for some months [01:53] damn it im gonna go do a screenshot [01:53] and then use debian or ubuntu for real work [01:53] that's good idea [01:55] ok,ok, now help me figure out what the problem could be [02:01] did you get the screenshot? [02:18] well, no, cause id have to get off, and i didnt feel like leaving yet === emma_ is now known as emma [02:36] so, how do i install it from a usb drive? [02:43] calc, are you around? I think I've found a bug on openoffice. Try opening a PPT file, select another master page, save as ppt. It will result in a write error. Then choose save as odp, it will save as usual. :( [02:44] openoffice from intrepid's PPA, which I'm using on jaunty...... [03:07] VLAD-DA-IMPAILER: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick [04:40] I am so, so very glad I bought this laptop with AMT enabled. I resumed from suspend, and got a blank screen.... and somehow, the ssh server was not reachable. Yet, I was able to log into the serial console -- even with the OS networking down! [05:03] Heh, somehow NetworkManager is not getting the memo that says I've rfkilled the wifi. [06:06] weird dsdt... seems to have SQL queries! www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/elitebook-8530w-dsdt.dsl [06:09] I'm sort of excited for Jaunty [06:09] With am64 bit versions of Flash and Java with improvements in speed should be nice === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia === Teiseii is now known as Teisei === boshhead_ is now known as boshhead [13:09] when will alpha version be available? [13:20] ottoshmidt it already is [13:20] ottoshmidt: check the topic [13:21] where? === ikonia changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope (alpha) discussion channel | Jaunty is NOT RELEASED and NOT SUPPORTED, it will most certainly break your system in bad ways. Jaunty CD Images Available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/ | Join #ubuntu for Intrepid Ibex (8.10) and previous versions support [13:24] tehre you go [13:24] there you go [13:26] ;) [13:27] what does not supported mean? [13:27] no one will assist if any problems? [13:27] (Jaunty is NOT RELEASED and NOT SUPPORTED) [13:28] pretty much [13:28] people will hlep out, but it probably won't be a big deal if it's broke as it's still in development [13:28] you may have to re-install your system a lot too [13:29] :) [13:30] and if I report bugs and help to make it better? [13:30] depends if they are valid bugs, or just a case of you can't use them [13:30] if they are valid, great [13:31] you need to be able to provide debugging information though [13:31] version information, compatability details, hardware, accurate discription of the problem, what you've done to try to resolve it, not just "it doesn't wokr" [13:33] interesting [13:33] but how do I know if it's not a valid bug in advance? [13:35] you will learn with time ottoshmidt [13:35] and ikonia I don't remember ever to reinstall a devel version [13:35] sure when LibC6 got broken it was a nightmare [13:36] and I had to use the LiveCD to fix it, but that was the worst that ever happened to me [13:36] luckly.... [13:36] I sure hope I never loose un-backuped data [13:39] BUGabundo_work it depends on the breakage [13:39] broke libc6 is the worst that can happen other than kernel panic [13:39] BUGabundo_work: just becaquse YOU have never re-installed doesn't mean others won't, it is quite a common thing to re-install the dev version after working through a problem to break point [13:40] everything depends on libc6 without it your system wont work if broken system wont behave right [13:45] that's why I said it was the worst it ever happened! lol [13:45] I need to discover a way to re-apply all my settings [13:46] for quick re-install [13:46] I don't do them as often 'cause it sucks to redo everything [13:46] I run a lot of services for personal usage and testing, and copying /etc aint always strait forward [13:52] is anyones gpg key broke? not really the key but the gpg is broken [13:52] humm [13:52] I'll have to test it [13:53] anything in specific gnomefreak? [13:53] BUGabundo_work: tbird trying to send email that you sign [13:53] i dont have tbid 2 atm so i cant test it [13:55] gnomefreak: on jaunty, I couldn't get it working about 2 weeks ago,. not tried after that [13:55] I use kmail, not tbird [13:55] but all my kmail emails are going signed [13:55] found this issue [13:56] its the password dialog that is failing to accept password im betting its gnugp-agent [13:57] cant sign a file either [13:58] I was disconnected so if anyone wrote to me I missed :( [13:58] no-one did [13:59] damn its not gpg-agent causing this [13:59] naaa we're a bunch of quite people [13:59] * BUGabundo_work takes a look at seahorse [14:02] ahh what a lovelly error message I got from seahorse while trying to add a ssh key to a remote server [14:06] BUGabundo_work: do you have pinentry-gtk2 installed or pinentry-qt? [14:08] * BUGabundo_work checks [14:09] I have both [14:10] yeah seahorse is segfaulting but gdb aint catching it [14:10] BUGabundo_work can you strace it ? [14:10] see the last hook it fails on [14:11] http://paste.ubuntu.com/87081 [14:11] can you take a look? [14:11] can do [14:12] and if anyone know what's causing those atk-bridge-WARNING let me know! [14:12] ikonia: am I meant to log strace too? [14:13] BUGabundo_work wouldn't hurt, that seg faults isn't giving much [14:13] I know [14:13] strace -f seahorse > strace.log would do it? [14:14] I'm getting it echo to screen and not the log [14:14] * BUGabundo_work opens a LP but to keep track [14:14] ah [14:14] -o FILE [14:17] "couldn't read from seahorse-ssh-askpass: broken pipe" could be the reason for the bug [14:18] gnomefreak: ^^^^^^^^^^^^ is it related to yours? [14:18] BUGabundo_work are you getting a prompt on screen [14:18] BUGabundo_work: most likely it is [14:19] I 'm ikonia [14:19] but all pop ups are UNDER pop ups [14:19] I have to move windows to reach them [14:19] BUGabundo_work: cant remember but im pretty sure seahorse only uses *-gtk2 but you can check your default one by changing/checking update-alternatives pinentry-x11 [14:19] BUGabundo_work: thats same bug [14:19] plus I have keep hitting the Pass field with my mouse to keep it selected [14:20] check also pinentry [14:21] BUGabundo_work: Bug 272390 was the one I was thinking off, maybe this is a new one. [14:21] Launchpad bug 272390 in seahorse "seahorse crashed with SIGSEGV in strstr()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272390 [14:21] I'm seeing way to many on LP [14:22] bug 126094 [14:22] Launchpad bug 126094 in seahorse "seahorse crashed with SIGSEGV when adding a SSH key" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126094 [14:22] seahorse isnt crashing for BUGabundo_work [14:22] well it did to me twice [14:22] until I manage to enter the password on the under popup [14:23] its just not accepting passphrass. to chek if crashed look in /var/crash but i doiubt you will see it [14:23] ok [14:23] not crashing, segfaulting [14:23] segfault is a crash last i checked [14:23] no crashs there, just gwibber [14:24] segfault is interrupted running [14:24] a segfault would trigger apport, yes [14:25] although apport seems to be absent in Jaunty atm, perhaps it's just me.. [14:26] naa, I don't see it either Hew [14:28] Hew: mine works [14:28] Hew: try enabling it [14:28] IIRC its in /etc/default/apport change the 0 to a 1 [14:28] gnomefreak: It is enabled [14:29] Hew: than its not absent [14:29] ;) [14:29] .crash files are generated, but apport isn't triggered automatically. Not a big deal, I can navigate to /var/crash and run it manually when I need to :-) [14:29] uploading strace now [14:30] i crashed an app this morning and apport came up asking if i wanted to report it [14:30] gnomefreak: Yes I know it's not absent, but it's just not triggering when it should :P [14:30] ok good, well as long as it's not broken for everyone that's ok [14:30] it was gnome-app-install as i recall that i crashed [14:31] i guess i dont have to do any bug work since email is broken :) [14:31] ah excellent, I just realised the gnome-panel applets aren't crashing anymore (such as five-a-day-applet) [14:32] * gnomefreak has broken X and broken pinentry [14:32] gnomefreak: Congratulations :P [14:32] * charlie-tca wondered who did that, gnomefreak [14:32] ikonia: gnomefreak Hew https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seahorse/+bug/308985 (Mark as Private) [14:32] strace on its way still [14:32] what is apport? [14:32] Error: This bug is private [14:33] !apport [14:33] Sorry, I don't know anything about apport [14:33] why would you [14:33] BUGabundo_work I can't read it then if it's private [14:33] can't you ? [14:33] I thought most of you were in QA [14:33] BUGabundo_work: hence the name private [14:33] mphill: its a crash collecter that allows you to report crash reports and it adds the strace and such [14:33] ha ha no [14:33] let me just upload the strace [14:33] BUGabundo_work: Is it in Jaunty? [14:33] and have hew take a look at it [14:34] gnomefreak: thanks [14:34] so see if I manage to omit all stuff [14:34] BUGabundo_work: unless subscribed to the package bug is filed under or reported [14:34] charlie-tca: yes I'm on jaunty [14:34] BUGabundo_work: I can read it (Bug Control) [14:35] humm [14:35] can the strace be in targz? [14:35] I just noticed its 80MiBs of data [14:35] BUGabundo_work: You can set it to public yourself when you are comfortable. [14:35] its using all my BW and it aint gonna go so soon [14:35] .tar.gz is fine [14:35] im in it [14:36] ** Message: could not grab keyboard [14:36] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seahorse/+bug/308985 (due to many family requests, is now public) [14:36] ** Message: could not grab keyboard [14:36] Launchpad bug 308985 in seahorse "seahorse segfault when adding remote server ssh key" [Undecided,New] [14:36] that tells me its same bug [14:36] BUGabundo_work: you have no private data in bug so setting it public should be fine [14:37] gnomefreak: uploading now strace tar.gz [14:37] done [14:37] you guys should see it now [14:37] remove any private data you still see on it! [14:37] refreshing after smoke [14:37] I already munge user and pass [14:37] shoudlnt have any in strace [14:38] * BUGabundo_work 80MiBs to 500k... uau tar.gz rules [14:38] I could see them in there... [14:41] BUGabundo_work: I'm not sure what private data could be there, unless your private key snuck in there somehow? :P [14:41] uhhhh [14:41] that would be bad [14:41] forgot to look for it [14:42] BUGabundo_work: The Private feature is usually just for automatically submitted apport crashes. If you know what you're doing, you can just have a quick look yourself, no need to mark as private [14:42] grep can't find it [14:42] BUGabundo_work: It was a joke, I really doubt that is the case :P [14:42] I think I'm safe [14:42] don't scare me like that [14:42] hehe sorry ;-) [14:43] brb [14:51] BUGabundo_work: what is kde version of seahorse called? [15:06] gnomefreak: kgpg? (just from a quick browse of the repositories, I don't use KDE so I'm not sure) [15:07] * gnomefreak not sure either. he said he used kmail so i was hoping he would know [15:08] Hew: what package is 5-a-day applet in? i cant find it anywhere [15:09] gnomefreak: It's five-a-day-applet from the PPA [15:09] i thought it was in repos already [15:10] gnomefreak: Unfortunately no, there's a bug open for it though. [15:10] gnomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day/Reporting [15:10] ah i thought it hit in intrepid [15:11] thanks Hew [15:11] Bug 194372 [15:11] Launchpad bug 194372 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] 5-a-day" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194372 [15:13] yea I hope it hits Jaunty now, but new packages have a habit of taking forever [15:13] back [15:14] I'm on gnome gnomefreak. I just use a few kde apps [15:14] like kmail, konqueror , etc [15:14] BUGabundo_work: welcome back [15:14] bullgard4: ah ok [15:18] gnomefreak: wrong nick. [15:18] lol [15:18] same 'bu' nick [15:18] oh sorry bullgard4 [15:19] well since i cant do anything with email and its too late to start work on anything else on my to do list im gone for a while ;) === mgs is now known as doms [16:24] Has anyone experienced their alt keys not working? Running Kubuntu, but can't really find a bug for it yet. [16:27] mgs: not here in ubuntu jaunty [16:31] Guess I'll fiddle around a little more, and report a bug in the end if I cant find a solution, thanks. [16:42] will jaunty alpha 2 live cd be released [16:42] yes bhuvi [16:42] !daily [16:42] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [16:42] but you can also use a daily [16:43] but can it be upgraded [16:44] sure [16:45] any version can be upgrade to what ever comes next [16:47] i remember havin installed daily image for intrepid it had no authentication i mean uname output was unknown [16:48] humm? [16:48] 1st time I read about thatr [16:48] maybe a wrong image? or a bad day to test it? [17:17] hi [17:18] a week ago or soo I was happy having Jaunty [17:18] I would be still [17:18] would [17:18] I updated jaunty as usual [17:18] Now it doesn't showup ANY dialog anymore [17:18] The os is NOT usable.. [17:19] but it was HIGHLY productive before the update [17:19] Do you know that bug? [17:20] Which logs do you need??? [17:20] I very VERY VERY neeed this desktop working asap [17:20] I'm in textmode now [17:21] Xsss4hell: you shouldn't be using Jaunty if you need it to work. [17:31] Pici you shouldn't use a computer if you want to work.. [17:32] I know it's alpha, but it was very stable. until canonical released the latest update. [17:32] something broke [17:34] Xsss4hell: Ubuntu Alpha releases are not designed to be stable. Its a bit of an anomoly that it was stable for you for this long. [17:34] I don't think so! [17:35] I have it since alpha1 got released, without even a minor bug! [17:35] The developers were waiting for UDS to happen and be finished before they had a good direction to go regarding changes. [17:35] And I'm a developer, so I use many functions that go beyond normal user's desktop experience [17:37] Er. Okay? [17:38] you need alpha software, you are a developer and you use it at your productive system? wow. [17:38] you *use alpha software [17:40] one of these points is wrong. i would say the 2nd point ;) [17:40] The channel topic explains it pretty well. [17:42] Pici: no working xorg is no breakage in a bad way - this can get much worse ;) [17:42] TheInfinity: Oh indeed. [17:42] * genii sips a coffee [17:44] I'll reinstall ubuntu jaunty and do not apply updates [17:44] but trying to find the bug.. [17:45] Xsss4hell: if you need ubuntu you should use no jaunty. [17:45] nothing special appears in the logs [17:45] then interpid.. but intrepid had more bugs than jaunty, at least in the begining [17:46] Xsss4hell: Jaunty with no updates is nearly the same thing as Intrepid. [17:46] I wish you had an update-policy like gentoo. -> fast forward & stable [17:46] All the intermediate releases of ubuntu have had some issues. This is normal. [17:47] Xsss4hell: maybe if you stopped crying and installed something stable you'd be more productive [17:47] Since the purpose of the intermediate releases are to test and incorporate chanegs which will be in the next long-term release [17:47] I've set up, ssh, apache, ldap, ftp, any many more on that machine, damn it.. that damn error must be fixable [17:48] you installed an SERVER at an alpha OS? wow. you are really crazy ... [17:49] TheInfinity: I'ts for personal use [17:49] not publicly available [17:50] I've programmed applications that interact with ldap auth etc. [17:52] If you're aiming for stability I highly suggest that you use a non-alpha version of Ubuntu. If you don't like Intrepid then use Hardy or earlier. [17:55] the dekstop show up, everything seems normal, dialogs coming up, but the content of it is not displaying, so nothing is really usable, altough there [17:56] Isn't any bug similar to that in launchpad? If you know it there should be a fix, instead of telling me to install another OS [17:57] Xsss4hell: I don't know. You probably will have to look for yourself. === vonkleist__ is now known as vonkleist [18:18] is it just me, or is the new FF update messing things? [18:18] most pages won't even load.. [18:18] I know I'm not on the fastest net connection, but it aint that bad! [18:25] seems okay here. Anything specific? [18:27] yeah, pages not loading [18:27] and gwibber also blank [18:28] I suspesct bad webkit upgrade [18:29] Maybe. I got 5 tabs open, and pages are loading fast. [18:31] really strange then [18:32] both FF3.0.4 (just upgrade to .5) and FF3.1 won't open almost any page [18:32] gmail did open, but took a few retries [18:32] pidgin or UM are working great [18:35] hmm. archive.ubuntu.com for jaunty seems to be down atm? [18:37] it was up a few minutes ago, when I did my updates [18:44] anyone know if nvidia drivers work in the latest dist-upgrade? It wants to remove my nvidia-glx-177 but I don't see an alternative driver get installed [18:45] guys get ready to be on Mark's screen shots [18:45] http://ubuntuweblogs.org rules! :) [18:47] may i ask an off topic question quick? [18:47] I guess AnRkey [18:47] configure: error: *** wxWidgets resource compiler not found - unable to build GUI components *** << what in the name of all that is good is this thing looking for? [18:48] AnRkey: you compiling? maybe it's a -dev package of wxwidgets? [18:48] hmm [18:48] brb [18:49] try libwxgtk2.8-dev [18:49] already installed [18:50] * AnRkey starts getting emotional [18:51] i get this when i try compile [18:51] checking for wxrc-gtk2-2.8... no [18:51] configure: error: *** wxWidgets resource compiler not found - unable to build GUI components *** [18:51] it finds almost everything else [18:55] thanks anyway chaps [19:00] lo siento [19:17] KDE on Jaunty is currently borked, correct? (e.g. kickoff menu displays only a box with black borders, the same for krunner). window decorations look strange/old, too.. [19:21] I believe you are right, blueyed [19:21] Thanks for confirming, charlie-tca. [19:21] no problem. [21:19] fix your connection already [21:19] as he leaves YET again [21:30] how lame [21:34] Makes you feel like smacking them around some === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [22:05] hi guys - can some on help me with ATI 1250 card to work with tvout with any driver??? [22:45] hi guys - can some on help me with ATI 1250 card to work with tvout with any driver??? === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG