[08:43] <lukehasnoname> Has anyone watched Greg Hartman's talk on Linux kernel development?
[08:43] <lukehasnoname> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2SED6sewRw
[08:45] <tjaalton> old news
[08:46] <lukehasnoname> He says Canonical "does not give back to the community" as it has only contributed half a dozen patches to the kernel since its inception. Either we don't make any changes to the kernel, and thus we are happy with its development by others (which should be just fine), or our changes to the kernel are just not being submitted directly to the tree. I don't get how he justifies sticking his nose up to Ubuntu like we a
[08:46] <lukehasnoname> re worthless because we don't have the numbers he wants.
[08:46] <tjaalton> you are 6 months late
[08:47] <lukehasnoname> sorry to type so much, but this has come up in discussion several times with people, and them nor I have heard anyone's response on it.
[08:48] <lukehasnoname> tjaalton, I know this isn't new, I see the June date, but I've yet to see anyone involved in the kernel (Ubuntu or otherwise) respond to his attitude.
[08:48] <tjaalton> sure did, six months ago
[08:48] <tjaalton> dig up the blogosphere
[08:49] <lukehasnoname> broken record
[08:49] <crimsun> lukehasnoname: several canonical staff have responded on their own blogs
[08:50] <apw> yeah people have responded.  he was wrong, what can you say
[08:51] <apw> he actually did the same talk at plumbers and wasn't taken very well
[08:57] <lukehasnoname> touche, I should have looked a little more. Thanks for the pointer, though, apw
[09:10] <lukehasnoname> hm
[09:21] <lukehasnoname> came off as a bit of a vendetta in that plumber's conf. talk. Whatever.
[09:22] <apw> yep, had an effect, pushing canonical employees to ensure they are using their canonical addresses when contributing
[09:22] <apw> otherwise, his math was just wrong
[09:33] <lukehasnoname> IMO, as if anyone cares, is that he is almost insulting to anyone who uses the kernel without giving back, as if, since we are users of the kernel, and thus know how to improve on it and have the desire to improve on it.
[09:34] <lukehasnoname> poor grammar there, it's 4am in Houston
[09:35] <apw> indeed, the implication that producing something that gets good penetration and thus is a good advertisment, somehow is not a good thing for linux as a whole if we aren't contributing 
[09:35] <apw> (even if that was true, which it was not)
[13:34] <CarlFK> I just got whacked by https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18160#c8
[13:35] <CarlFK> any chance there is something that addresses this?  otherwise I have to figure out how to downgrade xorg
[13:35] <CarlFK> I would rather put my efforts into a fix than a workaround 
[16:59] <bhuvi> how can i get ubuntu kernel source package
[17:03] <CarlFK> bhuvi: logn shot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CarlKarsten My kernel howto: 
[17:09] <rtg> bhuvi: start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMaintenance
[17:12] <CarlFK> rtg: is there some docs for how to build a kernel.deb that does not address sending changes back up?
[17:13] <rtg> CarlFK: I don't understand your question.
[17:13] <CarlFK> rtg: that url you posted has "Once the tree is ready for upload, follow these steps to complete the package for uploading: "
[17:14] <bhuvi> ah it's looks complicated
[17:14] <CarlFK> but many people have no need for that
[17:14] <rtg> CarlFK: what is it you want to do? Just a build?
[17:14] <CarlFK> and so the extra steps to support it make it more "complicated" (good timimng)
[17:15] <rtg> well start with 'Getting the source', then jump to 'Performing builds'
[17:31] <bhuvi> i now downloaded 2.6.28 kernel from kernel.org can it be compiled and run under hardy without any problems
[17:36] <bhuvi> this link also seems useful https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[18:46] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/kernel/unused-patches/2.6.27.9-patch_sigmatel_dell_studio_17.diff
[18:47] <Kano> hi, just made that patch for ubuntu studio 17 laptop
[18:47] <Kano> similar to
[18:47] <Kano> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.27.y.git;a=commitdiff;h=c7b7f1613bcfdd8e6ccaeea8a57daf9a3a122fc2
[18:47] <Kano> please add
[18:47] <Kano> confirmed to work
[18:50] <Kano> did not know that it would be so easy, in #alsa they could not help me...
[19:04]  * pgraner just added https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/UDS/Dec2008 
[19:23] <Keybuk> CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS=y
[19:23] <Keybuk> CONFIG_LEGACY_PTY_COUNT=256
[19:23] <Keybuk> really ?
[19:24] <Keybuk> can we change that to CONFIG_LEGACY_PTY_COUNT=0
[19:25] <Keybuk> leaving PTYS=y so that there's a boot option if people reallly need them
[19:25] <Keybuk> (nothing uses them, and they just waste boot time with 256 mknod() calls)
[19:33] <rtg> BenC1: ^^^
[19:43] <Kano> also please begin testing nfs-kernel-server with 2.6.28
[19:55] <Kano> whats now with the little alsa patch?
[20:56] <s-corp> hi all... I have a Linksys WUSB11 v2.6 fot what I know with an Atmel chip
[20:57] <s-corp> it worked fine with hardy and when I updated to intrepid today the kernel started spitting out an Oops error
[20:58] <s-corp> i rebooted to win xp and tested id the device was working, and it was
[20:58] <s-corp> with the firmware loaded by windows, I rebooted my pc back to ubuntu
[20:59] <s-corp> and it worked fine until I restarted the devuce
[20:59] <s-corp> device*
[20:59] <s-corp> ideas :?
[21:01] <s-corp> Linux <*******>2.6.27-9-generic #1 SMP Thu Nov 20 21:57:00 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:04] <s-corp> http://pastebin.com/m63eb57aa
[21:04] <s-corp> this is the dmesg output
[21:05] <s-corp> should I file a bug report?
[21:29] <s-corp> uh!... [  947.266329] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 00000000
[23:48] <[T]ank> hey all, wondered if there is a log file somewhere that tracks network interface activity.