[00:05] aw poo [00:10] Mez: ? [00:10] I forgot to /savelayout [00:10] and to /addallchans [00:13] so now I feel lost [00:13] heh [00:14] seriously, lost [00:15] I was working on remembering chan numbers [00:15] and had about 70 more windows opened :D [00:16] Mez: now if you had been using quassel... :D [00:17] jussi01: then I would have had a client that feels clunky, and doesn't look right to me [00:17] Mez: in your opinion... [00:18] no. [00:18] It doesn't need that clarification. [00:19] as that's assumed. It feels clunky... it doesnt look right to me.... [00:19] not gonna argue this with you, so moving on. [00:19] ;) [00:19] It doesnt need clarification like that as the words already state that ;) [00:35] hi [00:35] can someone please allow me to join ubuntu please [00:35] thanks [00:38] hm [00:56] stdin: fyi, the google calendar api seems to support recurring events just fine. [01:22] wai am i banned from #ubuntu? [01:27] ivantis: you sent a CTCP to the channel [01:27] that's not appreciated [01:28] i was using U+1, wrong channel [01:28] for some reason, used as CTCP [01:28] sorry [01:29] ivantis: ban removed [01:29] k thanks [02:14] funny that '"Adomas Bosanova" baltix' wouldn't turn up anything on google [02:18] I have been building windows boxes for days... Ho Ho Ho.. Uch [02:19] visbits-lin64 How may we help you today [02:19] LjL: I believe thats yours. [02:19] yes [02:20] not much to be said though i guess [02:20] !idle > visbits-lin64 [02:20] visbits-lin64, please see my private message [02:20] joined, "fuck ubuntu", and left. if he has some valid justification that doesn't involve brothers... [02:21] Ah. I see. [02:28] cats, I blame my cats [02:33] new operators in -ot; nice [02:34] visbits-lin64, may we help you? [04:30] LjL, there is a baltix linux btw; if you search on the home page that individual comes up [04:58] :/ === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [11:57] !enter | Pici [11:57] Pici: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [11:57] erm [11:57] !enter | Panarchy [11:57] Panarchy: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [11:57] that must be the hundredth time you've been given that factoid [12:01] @mark panarchy banned after continuing to ignore factoids like !enter. "You can't ban me, I've got ways around that. Though, as a show of my goodwill I won't do that" [12:01] The operation succeeded. [12:04] !guidelines > panarchy [12:05] !ettiquette > panarchy [12:09] does #ubuntu-irc have a no idle policy ? [12:10] there are lots of randoms in tehre [12:10] no [12:10] @mark panarchy do not unban before 24 hours have passed since Wed Dec 17 12:14:14 UTC 2008 [12:10] The operation succeeded. [12:11] I'll rephrase that, should there be a no-idle policy in there, looks like likes or randoms that have nothing to do or say in there [12:11] eg: just watching the show [12:11] why does it matter though? Are they disruptive? [12:12] watching people bargin/discuss bans [12:12] any cross-channel discussion etc [12:12] that is open for debate; my own personal opinion is no, but again others should weigh in as it a place for folks who are banned in loco channels to wait it out, sometimes for a stretch of time; policing that would be a waste of time better spent [12:13] bazhang: I agree, eg: why is emma in there ? [12:13] I am likely biased though. [12:13] no, I'm just querying it [12:13] seems odd [12:13] ikonia, watching the watchers? [12:13] but why, it's for irc issues, [12:15] why is J-_ in there for that matter; not the most important thing in my view--have never seen her utter a word there [12:16] ikonia, btw there are two new -ot operators, toplyi and nickspoon; not sure if you had heard / were around or not [12:16] saw them [12:16] k [12:22] eagles05 called the ops in #kubuntu () [12:25] trigger happy eagles [12:25] he did have a problem though [12:25] a slight one [12:26] yes, wasn't quite the mad panic I was expecting [12:42] poor eagles jumped on the next german guy in #kubuntu [12:58] same person differnet name? [12:59] looks different [13:03] ikonia, i wonder the same about the australian loco channels. she has no business there [13:12] elkbuntu: just a bit odd, I wasn't pikcing on her as she was one of many in that channel [13:12] but it does seem odd when she has no business there, and she is in pretty much every ubuntu channel (not that that is a crime) [13:13] not a crime, no. just really creepy. [13:19] jrib: panarcy now pm'ing me as he can't get into ubuntu [13:19] he needs support [13:19] I've ignored it [13:19] did you eventually manage to ban him then? [13:19] doesn't look like he can dodge the ban as well as he suggested ;) [13:19] LjL: who ? [13:20] LjL: I just kicked him this morning after he ignored !enter again [13:20] he tried mibbit [13:20] and floodbot banned :) [13:26] ikonia: panarchy [13:26] not that i have anything against it, mind, was just being slightly facetious... the BT speaks volumes on him [13:28] not even looked [13:28] just say jrib bounce him [13:29] saw [13:37] @btlogin [14:12] ikonia Morning, how is your connection doing [14:12] It's looking good [14:12] almost 24 hours [14:12] 15 minutes until 24 hours wihtout a drop [14:12] Yea [14:13] Don't jinx it! [14:13] so, need to get 72 hours solid before I can change my profile back upt to full speed [14:13] oof [14:13] stuck on 1 meg at the moment and it's quite frustrating [14:14] Ouch,(Memories of 300 baud dialups [14:14] nickspoon: well past jinxing it now [14:14] Jack_Sparrow: I was on less than 256k yesterday while they ran tests [14:14] not happy for the price I pay [14:14] thought that was nickrud :) [14:14] could be anyone [14:14] So did I [14:14] /nick nick [14:14] Goddamn! [14:14] hiya nickspoon ! [14:14] :( [14:15] Hey bazhang :) [14:15] sowwy :( [14:15] !nickspoon > me [14:15] Sorry, I don't know anything about nickspoon [14:15] I forgive you. [14:15] wow, people really can't read today [14:15] yep [14:15] that leon guy has just said he's read the channel list and tehre are too many to rad, so someone posts him the channel list to read [14:32] !enter | jrib [14:32] jrib: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [14:32] heh [14:32] :) [14:32] Not as bad as me hitting enter instead of ' just now [15:08] who're the new council membes? [15:08] pici jussi01 and nick ali [15:09] who's nick ali ? [15:09] boredandblogging [15:09] boredandblogging [15:09] boredandblogging [15:09] ah, ok :) [15:09] someone should get him to join here methinks... [15:14] boredandblogging [15:14] Aw, I was late :( [15:15] bluesmoke: do you need help ? [15:16] bluesmoke: feel like identifying yourself? :) [15:17] @bansearch bluesmoke [15:17] No matches found for bluesmoke!n=me@24-117-214-187.cpe.cableone.net in any channel [15:17] hehe [15:17] Hes not banned. [15:17] yet [15:17] its amaranth [15:17] Indeed. [15:17] o_O [15:17] are you certain ? [15:17] Yes. [15:17] yep [15:17] how do you know ? [15:18] Because he told me? [15:18] the stabbity-stabs [15:18] amaranth needs to blog more [15:18] :D [15:18] And 'amaranth' and 'alacarte' both seem to be set as hilights for him [15:20] Pici: I still think it should have stayed being called smeg [15:24] !uninstall is To learn how to uninstall applications in Ubuntu - please visit http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-delete-remove-software-using-apt-get-command/ [15:24] I'll remember that, Mez [15:29] !bot [15:29] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-ops's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [15:30] nalioth: does ubot5` not have apt enabled [15:30] hiya boredandblogging :) [15:32] * Pici waves [15:32] jussi01, Pici: hey! [15:38] * bazhang bows to our new IRC overlords [15:38] Whats the -bots channel? not #ubuntu-bots? [15:39] Pici: for bot management? [15:39] #ubuntu-ircbots-team [15:39] jussi01: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [15:40] #whoami [15:40] use @whoami [15:40] lol [15:48] apt-build world? [15:48] that sounds like gentoo... [15:52] Mez: ubot5 isn't mine [15:54] Mez: ubot5`: belongs to jpds [15:58] oh, thought it was yours... or were you 3/ [15:58] * genii puts on a new pot of coffee for the channel [16:01] and eagles was *recommending* that in #kubuntu to new users of late [16:01] for that completely 'optimized' system [16:01] bazhang: that's so silly, everyone knows the right way to get software installed is sudo ./configure; sudo make; sudo cp -a .src/* /usr/bin/ [16:02] LjL, haha [16:02] oh wait you were serious [16:02] no [16:02] phew [16:04] I'm going to pull him in here to give him this warning again publicly [16:04] I've done it in pm [16:05] someone who considers make && make isntall to be gospal for anyone, then asks how to set the root password should not be offering out that sort of advice [16:05] well that was not it exactly [16:05] it was to apt-build everything [16:05] still [16:05] yep [16:05] I've spoke to him about this in pm [16:06] I didn't see him reccomending it. Was he? [16:06] I've explained that while it is valid to build a package correctly a.) he has no idea what he's doing b.) he can cause damage c.) he shouldn't be offering it to people when he doesn't know what he is saying, even less so to new users [16:06] I can't see it in the last log [16:07] yet he was in #kubuntu and #ubuntu just a short while ago asking how to fix his 'su' issues [16:07] I see no evidence of c.) [16:08] bazhang: when was this [16:08] Pici: I can't see it in the log either [16:08] bazhang: sorry, when was he offering this advice [16:08] Pici: I am Mark Shuttleworth. [16:08] eagles0513875> can anyone help me with changing the password for su [16:08] PriceChild: Since when? [16:08] ikonia, let me check the logs [16:08] Pici: Please ignore the fact that I am not identified as him and do my bidding. [16:08] bazhang: no I mean when was he telling people to build the pacakge [16:09] PriceChild: shall I close down #ubuntu then ? [16:09] * LjL hands Pici an axe [16:09] Because that's what I do actually... ask people to do my bidding. [16:09] ikonia, I am checking the logs may take a moment [16:09] bazhang: no sweat [16:09] ikonia, it was very recent (last couple of days ) though [16:09] Hey boredandblogging, [16:09] PriceChild: You're also a good singer, but you need to brush up on your American Pie lyrics [16:10] PriceChild: hey [16:10] Pici: lost you [16:10] PriceChild: Exactly. [16:10] Mark was singing American Pie at UDS All Stars. [16:10] i didn't know it was a song [16:10] bye bye miss american puie [16:10] pie [16:11] drove my chevy to the levey but the levy was high ? [16:11] is that it [16:11] But I hope I'm with you now. [16:11] Ahh that one. [16:11] I was probably drunk which is why I don't remember though. [16:12] what's it like in space mark ? [16:16] so what are the orders from our new overlords? [16:16] +m on -ot? [16:17] bazhang: for you.... well [16:17] bazhang: I should never have told him about apt-build .... [16:17] hehe [16:17] anyways, Im off downstairs - a rather time consuming task... [16:17] genii, he just took it to absurd lengths [16:17] jussi01: australia? [16:18] genii, he was going wrong long before he found out about that [16:18] Weird name for it but I guess it is down under. [16:18] wanting to build his own distro etc [16:18] a leaner ubuntu (with extra optimization!) [16:19] bazhang: Maybe I should point him at LFS [16:20] genii, yeowch [16:20] Hehehe [16:22] bazhang: I spent time with him expalining the distro process and how it was just not going to happen for him at this time due to his lack of understanding [16:22] bazhang: when I say tmie I mean days [16:22] which he agreed with and intended to focus on smaller projects to build up his experience [16:23] well that didnt last long on his part [16:23] ikonia: I just had to explain using sudo vs su to him [16:23] the same thing I explained [16:24] or one of them [16:27] * bluesmoke looks around [16:36] bluesmoke: can we help you? [16:38] http://paste.ubuntu.com/87167/ from http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/12/16/%23kubuntu.txt ikonia [16:40] ughhh that was today [16:41] well for relative values of 'today' [16:41] 12/18 = 12/16 [16:42] why he wants to recompile his kernel I'll never know [16:42] "it makes it faster" [16:42] it's modular ! [16:43] I don't think the speed gained from compiling the kernel will outweigh the time spent compiling it, [16:43] LFS has to be against the CoC (or at least recommending it) [16:43] bazhang: hey careful !" [16:44] ikonia, adherent of LFS? sorry! [16:44] hah [16:44] Isn't driving people mad against the CoC already? ;) [16:44] hehe [16:44] Pici: if you have a monolithic kernel that takes 128Meg of ram to load, then I'd say recompile is good, but as ubuntu is modular and loads in about 32 meg, there is no point [16:44] (in short agreed) [16:44] nalioth: Not right now, no [16:45] :P [16:45] ikonia: Modular is not a good thing for speed [16:46] bluesmoke: no the loading / unloading of modules is a pain at boot time [16:46] ikonia: It has runtime overhead as well [16:46] bluesmoke: expand on that please ? [16:46] I really can't, I just heard exactly that from a kernel hacker [16:47] Things loaded as modules run slower than things compiled in [16:47] I apriciate there should be a minor overhead of it being held together rather than "one" binary but that should be almost nothing [16:47] ikonia: There was discussion at UDS to reduce the number of modules to increase boot time. I didn't attend the actuall session, but it was discussed. [16:47] Pici: something can be built in at a size overhead if they are common, I see no issue with that [16:48] but the fact that the desktop caters for so much varity of hardware would make it difficult to balance [16:48] Don't listen to Pici, he wasted his time at UDS [16:48] Didn't even have any Naked Juice... :/ [16:48] Probably just filled up on free burritos.... [16:48] Yep. [16:48] There are free burritos at UDS? [16:48] Google Burritos [16:48] ikonia: There are some modules essentially every x86 desktop fast enough to run Ubuntu is going to use [16:48] Oh my <3 [16:49] bluesmoke yes they are the common ones to be included [16:49] nickspoon: There is free everything food-related at Google [16:49] bluesmoke: I'd like to see the server and generic kernel differ more in terms of module availability [16:49] And their lunch utensils and carriers are made out of corn [16:50] I think it may be a good idea to move this conversation to -ot :) [16:50] But look like styrofoam and plastic [16:50] aww [16:50] Pici: sorry [16:50] ikonia: Don't apologize. [16:51] got carried away in my first worthwhile conversation of the day [16:51] * bluesmoke too [16:52] would I be shot down in flames bad if I suggested trying to focus -ot on ubuntu discssion that is "offtopic" or generic to the other channels rather than just "anything" goes [16:52] * ikonia puts flaem suit on quick [16:53] Yep. [16:53] I'd love to discuss this sort of thing but -ot is not pluasable due to people talking about turning into bananas and truning their dogs into fish [16:54] PriceChild: no, not Australia, I literally meant downstairs, with a cast on the whole of my left leg it takes a while to get down... [16:54] jussi01: sure? *hides* [16:55] PriceChild: he's in Yorkshire putting on his aussie accent [16:55] * jussi01 bites PriceChild [16:55] where around in yorkshire? [16:55] i 'think' i'm going up to york in a few days [16:55] somewhre int he lakes [16:56] hahahahahahahaha [16:56] is that york -shiiiiire, or york-shure [16:56] bazhang: shiiiiire and lanca-shure [16:56] ooh nice [16:57] I say york-sheer. [16:57] I don;t say it at all. [16:58] Pici: Say it now, then. [17:05] worse-cester-shiire sauce [17:06] * genii runs from the Shropshire Slasher [17:07] woosteh-sheer [17:08] +cester [17:09] It's not worse-cester. [17:09] bazhang: I hate that word [17:09] Pici has it right. [17:09] Its stupid. [17:10] Lester, too, rather than lie-ces-ter. [17:14] and they say finnish names are hard... [17:14] Heh. [17:14] We have this thing with silent letters. Probably comes from the French. [17:20] yeah, stupid silent letters. at least in finnish you pronounce everything. note, I am a native english speaker. [17:37] * Pici rolls his eyes [17:39] * genii hands Pici the Visine [17:39] genii: Thanks. [17:40] Anytime :) [17:40] ikonia: I think the general consensus is Ubuntu discussions, when they happen, generally absorb all of the other participants. Mind you, the recent environment in that channel is less than mature, so you'd still get lots of stupid-noise, but said topics can still (and do still) happen. [17:40] re -ot [17:41] genii: re +1 [17:41] Pici: ? [17:41] genii: my eye rolling [17:41] Ah, OK [17:42] Pici: Where are you rolling them? [17:42] Flannel: Anywhere that will take them [17:42] Pici: I'm not currently in that one [17:43] http://paste.ubuntu.com/87205/ [17:44] maturity is so overrated [17:44] 'man man' [17:45] Pici: Yeah I would do some eyeball rolling there likely as well... === olympiakos is now known as lolhahhahha [17:54] he comes in here, changes names, leaves then enters #ubuntu ? weird [17:55] oh look it's sken [17:55] yes [17:55] bazhang: the ban forward catches him he enters here, then changes nick/ip TO enter ubuntu [17:55] he clearly does not want help [17:57] of course not [17:57] well, [17:57] he actually does, he seems to ask some genuine questions [17:57] but he doesn't want to play by the rules [17:57] he is not banned in #kubuntu afaik [17:57] he's never gone in there [17:58] he is seeking help, just not the linux variety [17:58] think he' just imaature [17:58] imature [17:58] dutch spelling :) [17:58] nah, just me being a bad typer [18:28] When was the latest cc meeting? [18:29] PriceChild: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/12/16/%23ubuntu-meeting.html [18:33] Ah, I was sleeping. [18:34] I don't know what I was doign. [18:36] I was sleeping also. morphine got to me. [18:37] bah, thats your excuse for everything [18:38] I can't play football, my legs in plaster, I can't do the marathon, my legs in plaster, I can't tapdance, my legs in plaster....find a more plausable excuse [18:39] Pici: jussi01: boredandblogging: Few little things to do. You might want to subscribe to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/irc-council [18:39] PriceChild: I wasn't aware that I could. I could have sworn I tried yesterday. [18:40] Pici: are you not given a subscribing to irc-council section on that page? [18:40] PriceChild: did that goe through? it 404'd to me. [18:40] PriceChild: I am now. [18:40] jussi01: did what go through? [18:41] PriceChild: I tried to subscribe, and when I hit submit it 404'd [18:41] wfm [18:42] nvm, I did it again. [18:44] PriceChild: done [18:46] approved & added to launchpad team also [18:46] cool [18:47] can someone please approve or rject my request for the irc-operators group on launchpad please, [18:47] 1`at created 30 help windows :( [18:56] i have a problem and to answer it i need to go on #ubuntu thing is i am banned there i just need my ban lifted for a little bit [18:57] @btlogin [18:57] i once heard on here you have to do @login first [18:58] geeksquad: oh are you familiar with ubottu's authentication & bantracking functions? [18:59] geeksquad: not getting support is part of the fall out of being banned [18:59] geeksquad: I identified the last time ubottu appeared. No need to again. [18:59] no i just went on here for ban help and another op had problems with @btlogon then another op said to do @logon first [19:00] only way i know about ot [19:00] meant it [19:00] Last you heard it was the 17th for unban? [19:01] yes and thats today [19:03] geeksquad: LjL might be around soon. [19:04] Ljl was the guy who banned me on #ubuntu-offtopic myritti banned me on #ubuntu [19:08] PriceChild: are you there [19:08] i am [19:08]