[00:01] <M-a-r-k> How do you move multiple windows between desktops?
[00:01] <M-a-r-k> Let's say I have gimp open on desktop one and I want to move it to desktop 2
[00:01] <M-a-r-k> All in one go
[00:05] <TheSheep> M-a-r-k: let me know if you find a way to do that
[00:05] <M-a-r-k> I was kind of hoping someone here would tell me how :p
[00:05] <M-a-r-k> How long have we had virtual desktops, again?
[00:06] <M-a-r-k> And no one's figured out that that might be a useful thing to be able to do?
[00:06] <M-a-r-k> Especially with bloody gimp
[00:06] <TheSheep> M-a-r-k: why?
[00:07] <TheSheep> maxamillion: just make thtool windows transient and they will follow
[00:07] <M-a-r-k> Because all those windows are annoying.  Why does it have to have so many?
[00:07] <TheSheep> maxamillion: because it's convenient
[00:08] <TheSheep> maxamillion: sorry
[00:08] <TheSheep> M-a-r-k: ^
[00:09] <M-a-r-k> Oh well
[00:09] <M-a-r-k> If you like the gimp interface that's fine
[00:09] <M-a-r-k> But don't you ever just want to put it somewhere out of the way?
[00:10] <zoredache> perhaps you should make a point of always staring the gimp on its own workspace?
[00:10] <zoredache> with devilspie you could force it to a particular workspace
[00:11] <M-a-r-k> Yeah. But if the Cult of Cupertino can move multiple windows from one desktop to another simultaneously then we should be able to :p
[00:11] <M-a-r-k> We had them first
[00:13] <M-a-r-k> Maybe one of you clever chaps could hack something :D
[01:56] <gabcamilo> Hi everybody
[01:57] <gabcamilo> I've installed xubuntu, but i'm having problems with my Nvidia Geforce 2 MX 400 graphic card..
[01:57] <gabcamilo> Anyone know what I have to do?
[01:59] <gabcamilo> I tried to install the Nvidia drive, but the resolution was set to 640x480 and it doesn't allow me change it...
[02:02] <gabcamilo> anyone knows where I can get help?
[02:12] <gabcamilo> Hello?
[03:21] <Ultraputz> hey -- machine locked up, restarted it, now xfce4 desktop comes up, looks fine, then immediately logs out. dmesg says xfce4-session segfaulted. I killing the session cache, same deal.
[03:31] <Memfis> evening all. Anyone available to assist with a file-permissions problem I have?
[03:31] <Ultraputz> whats the problem /
[03:32] <Memfis> I have a user that pulls data from a remote system hourly and shares it via samaba (wich works fine)
[03:32] <Memfis> unfortunately I cant get apache to get read access to the data
[03:32] <Ultraputz> what's the error and where does it occur?
[03:33] <Memfis> I've tried adding www-data to the user that pulls the data in /etc/group with no joy.
[03:33] <Ultraputz> what's the error and where does it occur ?
[03:33] <Memfis> the www application just stats that the directory is unreadable.
[03:34] <Memfis> states*
[03:34] <Ultraputz> what's the url and also, full path?
[03:34] <Ultraputz> you don't have to give me domain :-)
[03:34] <Ultraputz> directories...
[03:34] <Ultraputz> oh
[03:34] <Ultraputz> if theyr'e not set to be readable -- you can read files from it, but not read the directory contents itself
[03:35] <Memfis> It's just a case of giving www-data access to another users files.
[03:35] <Ultraputz> that's in httpd.conf -- i can't remember what the key is.
[03:35] <Ultraputz> can they get to the files specifically with a full path?
[03:35] <Memfis> no.
[03:36] <Ultraputz> is this a cgi, or just apache?
[03:36] <Memfis> eg /mnt/sdb1/folder is owned by user1. I need to add www-data read access to it.
[03:36] <Ultraputz> oh, chgrp ?
[03:37] <Memfis> I cant chown or chgrp the folder/data as it's pulled from a remote system.
[03:37] <Ultraputz> you mean you're trying to pass a network share through apache ?
[03:37] <Memfis> no.
[03:38] <Memfis> user1 scp's data from remote system and saves it as user1:user1 (user:group)
[03:38] <Ultraputz> can you specify the url with ~/user1/filespec ?
[03:38] <Memfis> no.
[03:38] <Ultraputz> so that it's calling with user1's permissions?
[03:38] <Ultraputz> why not ?
[03:38] <Memfis> because the data is not stored in home directories.
[03:39] <Ultraputz> you can use a symlink
[03:39] <Ultraputz> ln -s
[03:39] <Ultraputz> man ln
[03:39] <Memfis> I know symlink but not sure it's the answer.
[03:39] <Ultraputz> it's a better answer than what you've got presently :-)
[03:40] <Memfis> I thought just adding www-data to user1's group in /etc/group would solve it.
[03:40] <Ultraputz> have you restarted apache since you made that change?
[03:40] <Memfis> yes
[03:41] <Memfis> /etc/group now reads : user1:x:1001:www-data
[03:41] <Memfis> then restarted apache
[03:41] <Ultraputz> i'm not going to pretend to be an apache expert, but i've spent a lot of time fighting with it. Typically, solutions are never so simple...
[03:41] <Ultraputz> i'd really think hard about using symlink if you can.
[03:41] <Ultraputz> have you otherwise defined a <directory> that specs the location of the files in the httpd.conf ?
[03:42] <Ultraputz> because if it's not in apache's dir directives, it won't go there
[03:42] <Memfis> it works fine if I chgrp -R all the data to www-data, but then the user1 update script fails.
[03:43] <Memfis> Can I explain a little better in pm?
[03:43] <Ultraputz> sure... though if you can, we shoudl keep the solution in public w/o revealing system details.
[03:43] <Memfis> sure.
[03:45] <Ultraputz> problem machine locked up, restarted it, now xfce4 desktop comes up, looks fine, then immediately logs out after taking a _really long time_ to bring up the desktop. dmesg says xfce4-session segfaulted. I killing the session cache, same deal.
[03:59] <radlipat> im here to try and help
[04:05] <Ultraputz> radlipat: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Apache/Setting-Permissions-in-Apache/1/
[04:05] <Ultraputz> er
[04:05] <Ultraputz> problem machine locked up, restarted it, now xfce4 desktop comes up, looks fine, then immediately logs out after taking a _really long time_ to bring up the desktop. dmesg says xfce4-session segfaulted. I killing the session cache, same deal.
[04:05] <radlipat> hummmmmmmm
[04:07] <Ultraputz> only reference i've found online was, "problem was running as root" which is not the case here.
[04:08] <radlipat> can i send you to a differ channel?
[04:08] <radlipat> someon in ubuntu might be able to help you with that problem
[04:08] <radlipat> sorry but i have no clue
[04:09] <Ultraputz> quite alright :-)
[04:10] <radlipat> ok type /join ubuntu
[04:10] <radlipat> or /join #ubuntu
[04:10] <Ultraputz> i tried that a few moments ago
[04:10] <radlipat> hmmmm
[04:10] <Ultraputz> it's an xfce problem, so usually out of ubuntu #'s range
[04:10] <radlipat> have u tried /join #kubuntu
[04:10] <radlipat> ??
[04:10] <radlipat> yeah
[04:10] <Ultraputz> nope, but, again ,it's an xfce problem
[04:10] <radlipat> ic
[04:10] <radlipat> ummmm
[04:11] <radlipat> was your first install a xubuntu or kubuntu or ubuntu?
[04:11] <Ultraputz> ubuntu origianlly
[04:11] <radlipat> ok try in login screen
[04:12] <Ultraputz> switched to xfce months ago on the desktop, did xubuntu on the portable.
[04:12] <Ultraputz> erm?
[04:12] <radlipat> there should be a menu screen
[04:12] <radlipat> server type
[04:12] <radlipat> and try your old version once
[04:12] <radlipat> ill wait here
[04:13] <Ultraputz> strangely enough, no session menu. just the shutdown/restart menu from gdm
[04:14] <radlipat> hmmm
[04:14] <radlipat> u may have to restart
[04:15] <radlipat> hit ctrl alt <backspace>
[04:15] <Ultraputz> that kills x...
[04:15] <Ultraputz> er gdm
[04:15] <radlipat> i know
[04:15] <Ultraputz> and restarts gdm
[04:15] <Ultraputz> :-)
[04:16] <radlipat> kill it and turn back on
[04:16] <radlipat> 22:24] <[e]Lement> radlipat, your RAM may be going bad.
[04:16] <radlipat> says a person in ubuntu
[04:17] <Ultraputz> i checked that, actually
[04:17] <radlipat> kk
[04:17] <Ultraputz> memtest
[04:17] <Ultraputz> ok
[04:17] <radlipat> yup and?
[04:17] <Ultraputz> i forced fsck, killed the .cache/sessions...
[04:17] <Ultraputz> memory is fine
[04:17] <Ultraputz> i'm wondering if the "fix xserver" option on the recovery screen is a good idea
[04:18] <radlipat> kk one sec let me look online quick
[04:18] <Ultraputz> only reference i've seen is the problem was starting xfce as root
[04:19] <Ultraputz> which i was not doing
[04:22] <radlipat> ok i typed  /ns help register and i didnt get a website or anything to register with does it auto do it??????????????
[04:23] <radlipat> srry
[04:23] <radlipat> lol
[04:23] <radlipat> tired
[04:23] <Ultraputz> :-)
[04:23] <radlipat> trying to help two people here
[04:26] <radlipat> grrrrrrrrr
[04:26] <Ultraputz> ?
[04:27] <radlipat> did you try to use ubuntu server instead or not yet?
[04:27] <radlipat> oh nothing
[04:27] <radlipat> im trying to register myself in konversation but am having problems
[04:30] <radlipat> u still here?
[04:31] <Ultraputz> yes
[04:31] <Ultraputz> ubuntu server? no.
[04:33] <radlipat> alright try killing xfce4 and reboot computer then use menu to switch to kde server
[04:33] <radlipat> then finish logging in
[04:33] <radlipat> then we will try to reinstall xubuntu-desktop
[04:35] <radlipat> ok let me know when u are back
[04:36] <Ultraputz> oh...
[04:36] <Ultraputz> not sure we quite want to do that
[04:36] <Sinister`> why is there not a move to or copy to when i right click on a file in xubuntu i got cut copy but no copy to or move i want to move a bunch of files from one drive to a backup how do i do that not eve drag and drop works ?
[04:37] <Ultraputz> you can use control-click to select multiple files
[04:37] <Ultraputz> otherwise, you can launch nautilus :-)
[04:38] <radlipat> well im at a loss other than that and by the sounds of it so is eveyone in ubuntu channel
[04:39] <Sinister> so i have to install nautilus now ?
[04:40] <Ultraputz> if it involves the desktop, you have to ctl-click
[04:40] <Ultraputz> nautilus is gnome's file manager, which is slower, albeit a bit less primitive than xfce's.
[04:40] <Ultraputz> it might be easier to open terminal to do it...
[04:41] <Sinister> i just wanted to do away with gnome and kde
[04:41] <Ultraputz> xfce is tighter and lighter than metacity, for sure.
[04:42] <Sinister> b ut if i dont have a move to thats sorta retarded i have toi cxopy then del the old one
[04:42] <Ultraputz> you do in the terminal
[04:42] <Sinister> yeah i can mv everything
[04:42] <Ultraputz> mv /directory/file_old_location /directory/file_new_location_and_or_name
[04:42] <Ultraputz> ok
[04:43] <Sinister> i wanted lighter and faster but doing everything in console wasnt what i wanted im still gona use xchat no bitchx for me
[04:44] <Ultraputz> unfortunately, there's an interesting thing that happens with linux users...
[04:45] <Ultraputz> which is that, when they get good enough to be frustrated with the desktop environment in one aspect or another, they tend to move into the terminal/shell :-)
[04:45] <Ultraputz> so certain kinds of things never seem to get done :-)
[04:47] <Sinister> never seen anything like this move to maybe blackbox has it i can honestly say becides move to and copy to xfce i love
[04:47] <Sinister> brb
[04:49] <Sinister`> i forgot i didnt install anything else
[04:50] <Sinister`> wonder if i could install kde 3.5
[04:50] <Sinister`> i liked that better than 4.0
[04:50] <Ultraputz> as far as graphical file management, it's kind of a loss. i've found my best luck dragging between instances of thunar.
[04:50] <Sinister`> thunar ?
[04:50] <Ultraputz> selecting multiple items graphically is annoying, but you can get used to it, or tie a bonus mouse-button to send the ctrl-click.
[04:50] <Ultraputz> thunar is the file manager that comes with XFCE
[04:51] <Ultraputz> i use it because it's the lightest, fastest one, and once you get used to it, it's as good as nautilus, minus certain kinds of preview features.
[04:51] <Sinister`> i know how to pick mutipul items but after i pick them all there is nothing to do with them i can move them to a differnt drive
[04:51] <Sinister`> i can copy them and paste to a differnt drive
[04:52] <Ultraputz> oh, ok
[04:52] <Sinister`> thats retarded
[04:52] <Ultraputz> here's the trick
[04:52] <Ultraputz> first:
[04:52] <Ultraputz> open the place that you want to put them
[04:52] <Sinister`> yeah
[04:52] <Ultraputz> make sure nothing is selected in that window unless it's a folder
[04:52] <Sinister`> ok
[04:52] <Ultraputz> then ctrl-click the items you want, and you can do cut
[04:52] <Ultraputz> then paste them to the new location if it's an empty window
[04:52] <Ultraputz> by right-click
[04:52] <Ultraputz> or paste them INTO a folder
[04:52] <Ultraputz> which you can do if you right-click on the destination folder.
[04:52] <Ultraputz> if you do anything else, it may 'forget'
[04:52] <Ultraputz> so you have to do the steps directly.
[04:53] <Sinister`> yeah i know that but dont move to sound like it nshould be standared
[04:53] <Ultraputz> i don't understand?
[04:54] <Sinister`> right click on a file i can copy delete cut rename but no move to or copy to
[04:54] <Ultraputz> oh, i see. you want standard destinations under your right-click
[04:54] <Sinister`> yeah
[04:55] <Sinister`> cant even drag and drop them
[04:55] <Ultraputz> that's probably something you can get out of nautilus
[04:55] <Sinister`> copys them is all
[04:55] <Ultraputz> drag and drop from desktop is copy
[04:55] <Ultraputz> yes
[04:55] <Ultraputz> but they're still selected on the desktop
[04:55] <Ultraputz> so you can right-click and delete them
[04:55] <Ultraputz> admittedly, an extra step.
[04:55] <Sinister`> im lazy i guess
[04:56] <Sinister`> could i use konkoror or how ever its spelled ?
[04:57] <Sinister`> i dont want to get infected with windows or gnome
[04:59] <UnexplodedCow> Thought I'd try this out first. Having trouble booting at all in Xubuntu 8.04...just get a "please wait loading..." on a black screen, no GUI. Any help is appreciated.
[05:01] <Ultraputz> sin - if you install / use kde, you can use konq
[05:02] <Sinister`> well it installed some kde stuff but not much like 15 meg
[05:03] <Sinister> how do i set this nickserv so it dont steel my nick
[05:04] <Sinister> User reg.  : Dec 08 18:14:45 2002 (6 years, 1 week, 3 days, 10:49:08 ago)
[05:04] <Sinister> im still new to this im use to undernet
[05:04] <Sinister> and talking to w
[05:05] <Sinister> how old is freenode ?
[05:07] <UnexplodedCow> This is my first time using IRC, so no clue about 99% of this.
[05:08] <Sinister> over 10 years iv been using it and i have no clue so were even
[05:08] <UnexplodedCow> Heh! Good stuff, then.
[05:08] <UnexplodedCow> I'm just trying to get my machine to boot without resorting to a full reinstall.
[05:08] <UnexplodedCow> It did it to me the other night, too, but worked fine today, until about an hour ago. No changes, aside from installing VLC.
[05:09] <UnexplodedCow> Thank God for alternate installs.
[05:11] <Sinister> i only use linux cuz its free fast and everything works im not paying 100.00 for a OS
[05:12] <UnexplodedCow> That's why I switched to it, and I thought it'd be good to learn something new.
[05:13] <UnexplodedCow> Any ideas on how to get a system to boot when it won't even show the load bar? Xubuntu 8.04
[05:13] <UnexplodedCow> It also freezes on safe boot. Locks up (somehow) when it tries to load the keyboard as input1.
[05:21] <Serraphyn> Anyone here know if a V-Gear Talkcam Pro will work in Xubuntu?
[06:34] <mikubuntu> what could be the problem ... i have xubuntu installed on a machine i want to give to my aunt for xmas, but i can't seem to get it networked right .... its recognizing  my wireless connection, but apparently not connecting to it (altho the icon shows it connected) could anyone help me troubleshoot?
[06:34] <Ultraputz> is it a WPA encrypted connection?
[06:35] <mikubuntu> uhhhh, not sure
[06:35] <Ultraputz> that might matter :-)
[06:36] <Serraphyn> Anyone here know if a V-Gear Talkcam Pro will work in Xubuntu? Or have the desire or drive to help me set it up?
[06:36] <mikubuntu> how do i check, i'm pretty sure my garage machine never had a problem with it, i turn it on with the same adapter and it connects straight away
[06:36] <mikubuntu> Ultraputz: i mean, i have not encrypted anything.  i'm not smart enough to.
[06:37] <Ultraputz> the router might be using WPA encryption, i've had trouble (and so have others) with it.
[06:37] <Ultraputz> it's a place to start looking
[06:37] <mikubuntu> whats the first step ... ? :P
[06:38] <mikubuntu> its a dlink 1310
[06:39] <Ultraputz> go to the web interface for it and see what kind of wireless setup you have
[06:40] <mikubuntu> ok, wheres the web interface?  you mean the network configurator in xubuntu?
[06:41] <mikubuntu> cant i just have it set to not need encryption?
[06:41] <Ultraputz> nope
[06:41] <Ultraputz> on the router itself
[06:41] <Ultraputz> whatever machine can get to it, try 192.168.0.1
[06:41] <Ultraputz> that usually the web interface for the router.
[06:41] <Ultraputz> for dlink
[06:42] <mikubuntu> so, this machine i'm on is hardwired to that router, can i find out from this machine?
[06:42] <Ultraputz> oh, hardwired to the machine?
[06:43] <Ultraputz> er
[06:43] <Ultraputz> yes
[06:43] <Ultraputz> that shoudl be fine
[06:43] <mikubuntu> this one is, not the one i'm trying to connect wireless
[06:43] <mikubuntu> on moms computer now
[06:43] <Ultraputz> right
[06:44] <mikubuntu> do i open the network manager on this?
[06:44] <mikubuntu> or is this a terminal thing
[06:44] <Ultraputz> to get to the router, you use a browser
[06:44] <Ultraputz> 192.168.0.1 is the address for most dlink routers by default.
[06:46] <mikubuntu> omg, yes comes up to a dlink page that i *vaguely* recall visiting b4, but its got a username and password entry that i'm sure i don't know .... arrrgggghhhh
[06:46] <Ultraputz> in xfce what puts the splash screen up?
[06:47] <Serraphyn> http://pastebin.com/m2760b820 <-- can someone please help me get this webcam (V-Gear Talkcam Pro) working with my linux Ubuntu 8.04 box? PLEASE
[06:47] <Ultraputz> i think you can see what's up from the linux box -- the network status icon on the system tray
[06:48] <Ultraputz> serraphyn - you might try generalizing your query to #ubuntu...
[06:48] <Ultraputz> most of the tools you will need are not xubuntu-specific
[06:52] <mikubuntu> Ultraputz: the dlink help support page says to use 'admin' and leave password blank by default, but it does not log me in
[06:52] <Ultraputz> password has probably changed since then
[06:52] <Ultraputz> this is your router?
[06:54] <mikubuntu> yes, my router
[06:54] <Ultraputz> you know teh wireless password to use it?
[06:54] <Ultraputz> or does it have one ?
[06:55] <mikubuntu> no, i don't ever remember needing one .... i use the same linksys adapter on another machine i have in the garage, and it doesn't ask me for password
[06:55] <Ultraputz> then that's likely not the problem
[06:55] <Ultraputz> start from teh top-- what is it doing or not doing?
[06:56] <Ultraputz> is it a usb adapter, by chance?
[06:56] <mikubuntu> yes, its usb
[06:56] <mikubuntu> works fine on other machine
[06:56] <Ultraputz> you might look it up in google, like whatever model then add the word 'ubuntu' or 'linux'
[06:56] <Ultraputz> is the other machine running linux ?
[06:56] <mikubuntu> yes, same version of xubuntu
[06:57] <mikubuntu> thats what stumps me
[06:58] <Ultraputz> you've tried a different usb port /
[06:58] <mikubuntu> anyways, the machine shows the connection 'dlink' in the network manager, and it shows wireless enabled and checked, but yet i can't connect to any website
[06:58] <Ultraputz> got terminal open ?
[06:58] <Ultraputz> try "ping google.com"
[06:58] <mikubuntu> on the problem machine, or this one
[06:58] <Ultraputz> the problem machine
[06:59] <Ultraputz> if it works, ctrl-c will stop it
[06:59] <Ultraputz> if it doesn't, report the error
[06:59] <mikubuntu> k, lemme go try
[07:00] <Ultraputz> re: my own problem -- i'm noticing a bunch of instances of xfce4-volstatus-icon and gnome-power-manager...
[07:00] <Ultraputz> like something is stuck in a loop launching them?
[07:03] <mikubuntu> ping: unknown host google.com
[07:04] <mikubuntu> Ultraputz: would you know of a way to reset the router to default?  would that put it back to nonencrypted?
[07:04] <Ultraputz> if you didn't need a password, it probably isn't encrypted
[07:05] <mikubuntu> oh, yeah ... we said that already :P
[07:05] <Ultraputz> didnt' have much information to go on, so i tossed that out as a possibility, probably not the problem.
[07:05] <Ultraputz> and yes, there are instructions on resetting the router on dlink's site if that comes up.
[07:06] <mikubuntu> arrrrggggghhh
[07:07] <mikubuntu> computers are like cars, the only thing worse than not having one is having one
[07:08] <mikubuntu> got any other suggestions
[07:09] <Ultraputz> have you tried restarting the laptop with the hardware connected?
[07:09] <Ultraputz> er the usb wifi thing?
[07:11] <mikubuntu> oh, yeah, i started it up all connected, and its lit up and everything... like i said the network icon shows connected, and when you look in the connection info it says, you know, dlink, and dhcp
[07:11] <Ultraputz> did you click on it?
[07:11] <Ultraputz> sometimes it sees it, but you have to actually click on it to get it to start
[07:11] <mikubuntu> but theres a short somewhere for sure
[07:12] <mikubuntu> ya, i clicked on the connection, its checked and 'enabled'
[07:12] <Ultraputz> not in the network monitor...
[07:12] <Ultraputz> do you have the system tray applet up ?
[07:13] <mikubuntu> not a laptop, btw, just an old gateway all in one
[07:13] <mikubuntu> ummm, what applet is that?
[07:13] <Ultraputz> does it have a regular network card in it?
[07:13] <Ultraputz> like the system tray in windows?
[07:13] <Ultraputz> you may have to add it to a panel
[07:14] <mikubuntu> hmmm, well the little two monitors icon is in xubuntu's top panel, if thats what you mean
[07:14] <Ultraputz> that's the one
[07:15] <mikubuntu> they would normally have a red x or something to indicate NOT connected
[07:15] <Ultraputz> right click it, i think
[07:15] <Ultraputz> one of the two, and when you see the dlink option, click that
[07:16] <mikubuntu> but no red x, there ... i go try again, but i think i have done that to the point of neurosis already
[07:16] <mikubuntu> brb
[07:16] <Ultraputz> actually, i'm out for the night
[07:16] <Ultraputz> good luck
[07:23] <LuYu> how does one add keymap encodings to the XFCE applet?
[07:23] <LuYu> the gnome one is easy
[07:23] <LuYu> one just has to select new ones
[07:23] <LuYu> but there seems to be no option to do that in the XFCE panel applet
[07:26] <mikubuntu> hope someone else can help me troubleshoot this wireless problem .. i did get to a wlan properties window that says password type is wpa personal, and under that is the think that says its set to dchp, and under that is three blank lines, one for mask, subnet mask, etc...  if its set to automatic dchp, does there have to be something in  those lines?
[07:33] <Sinister`> how many people have to use a distro before the ops in the channel act like little hitlers like redhat fedora and suse ?
[07:36] <LuYu> huh?
[07:47] <mikubuntu> is that a riddle?  lol.
[07:49] <mikubuntu> omg.  i got the wireless working on that $%#^! machine!  i dasn't say what the prob was.  nite ladies and germs.
[07:49] <mikubuntu> and thanks
[08:04] <Sinister> yeah i always thought people were just stuck up using windows like they didnt want anyone else to use it but i see now thats not it the more people use it the more assholes you have
[08:06] <Sinister> i ask a question that they think is off topic like ohh my god so they type !off topic so 15 bots can flood the channel and tell me the same thing
[08:08] <Sinister> i want to dunk my cell phone in rubber dip like channel lock pilers handles
[08:11] <Sinister> hey i did find something interesting for more air flow in your box buy a big ass fan put it on top and cover it with a car speaker grill unless it says the name i think it would look good
[09:06] <MaxFrames> hello
[09:07] <MaxFrames> I've installed today's updates (didn't take notice of which they were, I just clicked on install right away) and now my xubuntu thinks there's a problem with my network connections
[09:08] <MaxFrames> there's an alert icon on my network tray icon, and the popup baloon help says "network funcions disabled", yet the network connection is up and running
[09:08] <MaxFrames> if I right click the icon and choose "modify connections", all tabs are empty (cabled, wireless, mobile broadband, vpn, dsl)
[09:09] <MaxFrames> my connection is a cabled one
[09:09] <MaxFrames> what can be the problem?
[09:21] <MaxFrames> hi
[09:35] <MaxFrames> whats the command to look for missing packages/broken packages and reinstalling them?
[09:58] <MaxFrames> hello... no one here to help please??
[10:15] <MaxFrames> in xubuntu, where do you manage network settings? Please?
[10:15] <MaxFrames> in xubuntu, where do you manage network settings? Please?
[10:16] <R1cochet> umm did u look at your taskbar
[10:16] <R1cochet> ?
[10:16] <MaxFrames> in the taskbar I have a network icon. It shows an alert sign on it. The alert appeared this morning after I downloaded some updates.
[10:16] <MaxFrames> I cant figure out what that alert means and how to get rid of it.
[10:17] <MaxFrames> If I right click on the icon anyway, and choose Modify Connections, I get a blank list under "cabled connections"
[10:17] <MaxFrames> so I can't view or modify my network settings
[10:17] <R1cochet> what kind of connectiong do u have?
[10:18] <MaxFrames> LAN
[10:18] <R1cochet> is it pluged in?
[10:18] <MaxFrames> yes and it's working, or so it appears
[10:18] <R1cochet> what foes the alert say?
[10:18] <R1cochet> does*
[10:18] <MaxFrames> I'll have to translate from italian
[10:19] <R1cochet> have u tried lf clicking on it?
[10:19] <R1cochet> lf = left
[10:19] <MaxFrames> the baloon help message says "network functions disabled" (when I hover the mouse pointer on the icon)
[10:19] <R1cochet> left click on the icon and see if its circled
[10:20] <R1cochet> u should see a list of available connections
[10:20] <MaxFrames> if I right click the icon and choose "connection informations" it says "error in displaying network informations: no valid active connection was found"
[10:20] <R1cochet> left click
[10:20] <MaxFrames> if I left click, a menu appears which says:
[10:20] <MaxFrames> "cabled network: the device is unmanaged"
[10:21] <R1cochet> what version of xubuntu
[10:21] <MaxFrames> 8.10
[10:21] <MaxFrames> all OK until this morning after the updates
[10:21] <R1cochet> hmmm
[10:21] <R1cochet> whaat updated?
[10:22] <MaxFrames> I didn't take notice... the system said there were updates, I installed them but didn't notice which they were
[10:22] <R1cochet> ok
[10:22] <R1cochet> have u restarted since update?
[10:23] <MaxFrames> multiple times
[10:26] <MaxFrames> how do I completely remove the network applet and reinstall it?
[10:29] <MaxFrames> sudo apt-get remove/install what?
[10:30] <R1cochet> umm how are u going to get it back if u remove it?
[10:30] <R1cochet> and §orry i dont what the name is
[10:30] <MaxFrames> i want to remove just the applet not all the network
[10:31] <R1cochet> i would look in synaptic
[10:31] <R1cochet> search for network
[10:32] <R1cochet> ße Right ßack
[10:41] <MaxFrames> http://www.gs1.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6316688
[10:41] <MaxFrames> this is my exact issue
[10:46] <MaxFrames> how do I retrieve the list of the updates I have installed?
[10:46] <MaxFrames> and how do I remove an update if I find which one is culprit?
[10:47] <R1cochet> im §orry but i do not know
[10:47] <R1cochet> im sure some1 in here does tho
[10:47] <R1cochet> or u could try #ubuntu
[10:48] <MaxFrames> in #ubuntu the only answer I got was "can you connect to the net? yes? well, then get on with life" :(
[10:49] <R1cochet> ask how to see list of updates
[10:52] <MaxFrames> nope, they don't answer, and they don't accept query, and that channel is a mess
[10:53] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ it is a mess
[10:53] <MaxFrames> anyway... by installing gnome-network-admin, I can at least view and edit my network properties once again (a Network icon appears in the System menu)
[10:54] <MaxFrames> the tray icon still thinks I have no network connection configured
[10:55] <MaxFrames> do you know what the pan0 network connection is?
[11:00] <MaxFrames> Gio72bbe
[11:00] <MaxFrames> sorry
[11:14] <redwyrm> how do I know which services allow connections from remote hosts?
[11:14] <redwyrm> so far I've clicked on Applications->System->Services and then unlocked it
[11:15] <redwyrm> I see a very long list of services, which is kinda worrisome from a security standpoint
[11:16] <MaxFrames> what is the command to make changes to a write disabled file?
[11:16] <redwyrm> chmod +w filename
[11:17] <redwyrm> if it's owned by you
[11:17] <redwyrm> if it's owned by another user, then... sudo chmod a+w filename
[11:21] <MaxFrames> SOLVED
[11:21] <MaxFrames> fyi:
[11:21] <MaxFrames> Whatever updates occurred in the last day set all the devices to managed=false in /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf
[11:21] <MaxFrames> Change that and "sudo killall nm-system-settings" and it'll start working again.
[11:22] <MaxFrames> now since I issued chmod a+w, what's the command to put permissions back to how they where before?
[11:22] <MaxFrames> just chmod a-w?
[11:34] <MaxFrames> bye
[16:29] <bhuvi> i installed xfce desktop in ubuntu because i have only 256mb of ram ubuntu was slow but xfce showed no improvement in performance
[16:30] <vidd> bhuvi, did you uninstall ubuntu?
[16:30] <vidd> !purexfce
[16:35] <bhuvi> i now have both xfce and gnome
[16:40] <bhuvi> but both seems slow for me any way to improve xfce performane
[16:43] <vidd> how much swap space you have allocated?
[16:43] <bhuvi> 512mb
[16:50] <vidd> bhuvi, dunno
[16:50] <vidd> all i can say is try purging gnome and see if it improves
[16:51] <bhuvi> will it remove contents of home directory
[16:51] <vidd> no
[16:52] <morten_vp> Hi guys, I would like to use kpdf in xubuntu ... I know it has a lot of KDE/qt dependencies.. but I just am not really satisfied with any of the other solutions..
[16:53] <morten_vp> however I cannot find kpdf in synaptic.. any hints to how I can get it there?
[17:02] <kora_> hi, how can i change the default applications in xubuntu, for example i want that when i double click a pdf, it is opened in kpdf instead of evince?
[17:15] <vidd> kora_, right-click on the file, choose "open with" select the desired app, place check in box "Use as Default..." click "Open"
[17:15] <vidd> Ya know...just like M$ (or any other OS)
[17:16] <kora_> vidd: thanks, do you know if theres a central configuration file like /etc/mimetypes where i can do it for all filetypes?
[17:16] <vidd> im sure there is
[17:19] <vidd> kora_, look into /usr/bin/gnome-file-types-properties
[17:21] <kora_> vidd: ah ok thanks ill look into that
[17:21] <vidd> kora_, that is for a different distro....disregard
[17:27] <vidd> kora_, i found it......
[17:27] <vidd> edit the file: /usr/share/mime/types
[17:27] <kora_> vidd: i just searched if that tool could be installed from a repo
[17:28] <vidd> kora_, just edit the file
[17:29] <kora_> vidd: that /usr/share/mime/ folder was exactly what i was looking for
[17:30] <vidd> kora_, check out the globs and globs2 files
[17:31] <kora_> vidd: ah nice, it takes the names from the aliases file and supports wildcards
[17:31] <vidd> kora_, happy editing (and make sure you back up to recover a hosed system!)
[17:32] <vidd> =]
[17:32] <kora_> vidd: thanks again for your help
[17:32] <vidd> just pay the bill when ya get it =]
[17:36] <loevborg> Any hints on how to install Xubuntu hardy on a low memory system (a bit less than 256MB)?
[17:37] <charlie-tca> Use the alternate cd (also called text installer)
[17:39] <loevborg> charlie-tca: I just found about an option "ubiquity-only"; that sounds like what I'm after
[17:39] <charlie-tca> What cd is that?
[17:46] <loevborg> charlie-tca: on the regulary live CD
[17:46] <charlie-tca> Okay. Good luck.
[17:46] <loevborg> charlie-tca: that is, I don't need to redownload the cd, and I can use the normal guided install
[17:47] <loevborg> thanks
[17:49] <loevborg> Seems to work fine.
[19:05] <wasabivengeance> quick question. I'm running 8.10 on a dell 1420n with 1440x900 resolution. I'm trying to enable a 2nd monitor (lcd) to the left at a resolution of 1280x1024. The command I *thought* would do it was "xrandr --output VGA --auto --left-of LVDS"
[19:05] <wasabivengeance> When I do that though, I get this error: "xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1440x1440 (desired size 2160x900)"
[19:07] <wasabivengeance> After googling around, people seemed to solve it by adding "Virtual 2160 900" to the display section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf (the #s were adjusted for my monitors), but there *is* no display section of my xorg.conf file, I assume because of the new version of xorg autoconfiguring better.
[19:07] <wasabivengeance> so. um. Any suggestions? :/
[19:08] <TheSheep> wasabivengeance: you can add that section yourself
[19:09] <wasabivengeance> I see... one sec and I will test
[19:10] <wasabivengeance> for the display subsection, what should the Modes line be, given that the built in lcd is 1440x900, and the attached monitor is 1280x1024?
[19:11] <TheSheep> you can ski them
[19:11] <TheSheep> skip
[19:11] <wasabivengeance> ah ok. brb. then
[19:15] <wasabivengeance> didn't work. X wouldn't start, had to comment out the lines >___<
[19:16] <wasabivengeance> http://pastebin.com/m69382bf3
[19:16] <wasabivengeance> That's what I had.
[19:17] <wasabivengeance> Any suggestions?
[19:23] <TheSheep> maybe look into logs and see what was wrong
[19:37] <wasabivengeance> ok, got it *half* working. Both displays are enabled now, but there's a roughly 80px black bar at the bottom of the 2nd monitor. when I move the mouse into that area, I can see the mouse but not any windows. On my main display, there's 80px along the left side that are usable, but the remainder of the display (which is about 90% of it) is the same as the black bar on the 2nd monitor
[19:38] <wasabivengeance> the mouse shows, but windows don't show when moved into the area
[19:41] <wasabivengeance>  Any suggestions? ^^
[19:41] <wasabivengeance> http://www.iqguys.com/~mthorn/2008-12-17-144047_2720x1024_scrot.png <--- screen shot
[19:42] <TheSheep> wasabivengeance: maybe enable the 'stretch to both monitors option in desktop settings?
[19:42] <wasabivengeance> I think I see the reason for the dimensions of the usable space. That's 1440x900 of space, but it's on the wrong monitor
[19:43] <wasabivengeance> hm
[19:43] <wasabivengeance> hold on
[19:43] <wasabivengeance> nope, that's not it
[19:43] <TheSheep> so maybe that xrandr command had the monitors switched?
[19:44] <wasabivengeance> maybe. want my latest xorg? the one that somewhat works?
[19:44] <TheSheep> I don't know much about it anyways
[19:44] <wasabivengeance> ah.... >_<
[19:45] <TheSheep> it should be all settable with xrandr
[19:45] <wasabivengeance> hm. has anyone put together a decent app for using randr?
[19:45] <wasabivengeance> like a gtk app?
[19:45] <TheSheep> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DisplayConfigGTK
[19:47] <wasabivengeance> do you know where to find a .deb for that?
[19:47] <wasabivengeance> doesn't seem to be in the xubuntu repos
[19:47] <TheSheep> it was in Hardy
[19:47] <wasabivengeance> ahh.. I'm on intrepid >_<
[19:47] <TheSheep> you can probably download a deb from packages.ubuntu.org
[19:47] <TheSheep> .com, sorry
[19:48] <wasabivengeance> ok, looking now
[19:49] <wasabivengeance> thanks for all the help TheSheep. You said you don't know much about it... is there a better channel to ask in?
[19:53] <wasabivengeance> brb, restarting x
[20:33] <mthorn> is there a way to move a panel from one monitor to another?
[20:44] <charlie-tca> Aenohw1u
[22:07] <Markopotamus> I have a laptop with Xubuntu that I can connect to the internet via a wireless connection, and a desktop computer on which I want to install Debian from the internet.
[22:07] <Markopotamus> I have no access to a wired connection.
[22:08] <Markopotamus> I was wondering if I could use the Xubuntu laptop as a server, connecting it to the desktop computer with an ethernet cable, allowing it to install from the internet that way.
[22:08] <Markopotamus> Does... that sound like a plan?
[22:09] <Markopotamus> (and if so, could someone fill in the details?)
[22:09] <Memfis> better plan, download the iso's burn and install. No network required ;)
[22:10] <Markopotamus> Memfis: I've burnt a CD but have no DVD writer...
[22:10] <Memfis> ah :(
[22:11] <Markopotamus> Memfis: But would that be, at least in theory, possible? To use the laptop as a server?
[22:12] <Markopotamus> Memfis: The real problem is that I currently have Ubuntu 8.10 installed on the desktop but WPA encryption doesnt work with my wireless adaptor and I've somehow screwed it up completely in the process of trying to fix it.
[22:19] <filipegatti> yo
[22:19] <filipegatti> TheSheep, hi :-)
[22:22] <filipegatti> can someone help me with pyNeighborhood? I've installed it and configured to scan my local computers. It already scanned the one I need, it even asks for username and password, but when I type then, it comes with an error "Mount failed". This happens in both ways to login, using SMB protocol and CIF. Am I doing something wrong? (the username and password are correct)
[22:24] <Ultraputz> what is pyNeighborhood ?
[22:24] <Ultraputz> i'm guessign a "network neighborhood" type deal?
[22:24] <knome> yes
[22:25] <Ultraputz> filipegatti: i'd start by figuring out where the logs of the involved components are and have a look for more lucid error messages?
[22:27] <Memfis> Markopotamus : I have a similar problem. my minipci wireless card only does wep atm. not wpa.
[22:27] <Markopotamus> Memfis: ah, it's a pain, eh?
[22:28] <Memfis> In relation to your problem, yes it is possible. I've used a similar solution to install debian onto a cobalt RaQ server that has no fdd or cd.
[22:28] <Markopotamus> Memfis: aah excelent
[22:28] <Markopotamus> Memfis: Well, I guess I'll come back here when I come to actually try it.
[22:29] <Memfis> Cobalt RaQ's support netboot don't know if your desktop does tho.
[22:29] <Memfis> But I'm sure theres a way :o)
[22:29] <Markopotamus> Memfis: i havent the foggiest idea
[22:30] <Markopotamus> Memfis: I actually have no idea how to make one computer suck the internet dirreection through another computer.
[22:30] <Memfis> Might just be a case of using a debian netinstall cd / usb with a mirror of the debian archives running on your desktop & pointing the netinstall at it during install.
[22:31] <Markopotamus> Memfis: Although I've messed about with a normal home network a fair bit.
[22:31] <Memfis> Think I've got your pc's round the wrong way but you get the idea
[22:31] <Markopotamus> Memfis: yeah
[22:32] <Memfis> probably easier than tieing two networks together imho.
[22:32] <Markopotamus> Memfis: Ok, cheers. I'll give it a go.
[22:32] <Memfis> np.
[22:35] <Memfis> Hi Ultraputz Hows you pc doing?
[22:35] <Memfis> your*
[22:36] <Ultraputz> i've isolated part of the problem so far, so better. still quite present.
[22:36] <Ultraputz> yours is resolved happily now, yes?
[22:37] <Memfis> Yes thankyou. Rsync doesn't quite set permissions right, but running chmod at end of script sorts it
[22:37] <Memfis> Bit more awake today :)
[22:38] <Ultraputz> last night, i was so single-minded on "fixing" the problem that i failed to run some rather important basic litmus tests last night to isolate where ot look
[22:38] <Ultraputz> so i remembered that there was in fact a nicely set up guest account on my machine.
[22:38] <Ultraputz> i logged into it just fine.
[22:39] <Ultraputz> so whatever it is, it starts somewhere under the home directory. that saves a lot of searching. :-)
[22:39] <Memfis> Just got Xubuntu installed onto laptop. Took a while to get X working - it's an old laptop. Just updating then got to sort wpa out.
[22:40] <Memfis> anyone here run compiz-fusion on Xubuntu? Is it easy or a right p.i.t.a. ?
[22:41] <Memfis> Not sure the laptop will cope with it, but thought I'd try as my next project :o)
[22:42] <Memfis> Ultraputz, what is the problem?
[22:42] <Ultraputz> what's the graphics / ram on the laptop?
[22:43] <Memfis> i810 shared graphics ram with main ram
[22:44] <Ultraputz> the problem remains the same: the machine comes up to gdm normally and fine. if i log in as guest, fine. if i login as me, the splash screen just hangs, and hangs, and hangs, the desktop develops under it, but the mouse becomes less and less responsive, and then it punks out and drops back to gdm, or it just hangs until reset. When i'ev logged in and watched on top, it's spawning dozens of copies of things like apt-cache and updat
[22:44] <Ultraputz> i tried nuking the session files, etc.
[22:44] <Ultraputz> still punks out.
[22:44] <Ultraputz> and nothing changed before this happened
[22:44] <Ultraputz> happily working in terminal, python, shell and listening to rhythmbox...
[22:44] <Ultraputz> then it starts slowing to ac rawl
[22:45] <Ultraputz> had to reset. after that, it's like this.
[22:45] <Memfis> I'm guessing updates don't run as guest. Although why it's spawning so many copies of apt-cache etc is unknown to me. Sorry I cant help with that.
[22:46] <Ultraputz> that's the mystery to me, too
[22:46] <Ultraputz> also, xfce4-session segfaults
[22:46] <Memfis> I'm new to the whole GUI aspect of linux. Only ever run cli headless boxes prior to this.
[22:46] <Ultraputz> the xerrors log is full of, "too many files open," which makes sense, given all the copies of daemons spawning.
[22:46] <Ultraputz> it's like whatever brings the session back up is locking into a loop at the point that it launches autostarted apps, etc.
[22:47] <Memfis> I presume autostart apps etc are saved in session files, so I also would have tried nukeing the session files :)
[22:48] <Ultraputz> odd thing was, that doesn't seem to be the extent of it
[22:48] <Ultraputz> general question would be: once xfce launches, what all controls the launching of session processes?
[22:49] <Ultraputz> it's obviously not just 'autostarted apps'
[22:49] <Ultraputz> ?
 i810 shared graphics ram  < I presume this isn't going to be enough to run compiz :(
[22:50] <Ultraputz> i dunno, but i wouldn't bet on it
[22:50] <Memfis> Don't think I'll try. nm was worth asking ;o)
[22:50] <Ultraputz> i've been wanting to play with it, but all my non-mac hardware is from the age of dinosaurs and clinton.
[22:51] <Ultraputz> i'd google it and see
[22:51] <Ultraputz> compiz fusion i810
[22:52] <Ultraputz> how big is the processor?
[22:53] <Memfis> ah difficult question. From what I've read / guessed it's 800Mhz on batteries and sommat higher when mains is plugged in.
[22:54] <Memfis> Bios slows it down to 800Mhz when running on batteries. Makes the battery life really good, but slows the laptop down a little.
[22:58] <Memfis> Wish there was a litmus-test prog for compiz/fusion/beryl or whatever it's called this month.
[23:00] <filipegatti> Ultraputz, maybe running it on terminal would help? haha
[23:01] <Ultraputz> it does
[23:01] <Ultraputz> i can login in text mode and there's no trouble
[23:01] <Ultraputz> that also isolates it to x somewhere past gdm.
[23:04] <filipegatti> god
[23:04] <filipegatti> how can I be soooo stupid? :P
[23:05] <filipegatti> I ony needed to give my user the right permission... running it as root on terminal was enough.
[23:09] <filipegatti> do you guys have any tips on making xubuntu the more lightweight possible? as removing unused packages, changing some heavy softwares to lighter ones, and stuff like that?
[23:11] <Ultraputz> lightweight in terms of disk, memory, cpu ?
[23:12] <Ultraputz> if your aesthetic sensibility can tolerate it, turn off compositing, don't use icons on the desktop, minimize the crap on your panels, and run a really simple theme. a lot of the next/openstep/windowmaker type themes are really light.
[23:13] <Ultraputz> if you can get along with it, quod libet is a great music player, vlc is a great media player (i find it faster than totem)
[23:13] <Memfis> I was going to look up how to speed up the boot & gdm process :)
[23:14] <Ultraputz> oh, that's a good one.
[23:14] <Ultraputz> if you donut need bluetooth, donut launch it. :-)
[23:14] <Ultraputz> that rule can be applied to pretty much everything to great effect.
[23:14] <filipegatti> Ultraputz, in terms of cpu and memory. I don't mind aesthetic. I'm running xubuntu in a laptop core 2 duo 1.5ghz 2gb ram and 160gb hd. I want to make it really faster :-)
[23:14] <filipegatti> i'm using alsaplayer as music-player
[23:14] <Ultraputz> in that case, you can spare compositing. :-)
[23:15] <filipegatti> and ayttm as chat-client
[23:15] <Memfis> Things like I'm sure it's searching for seriel / parralell devices on boot, which on my laptop is pointless.
[23:15] <Memfis> cant spell today :/
[23:15] <filipegatti> I already turned off compositing and I'm using the default theme, going to change it
[23:15] <Ultraputz> or yesterday! :-)
[23:15] <Memfis> or most days lol
[23:15] <Ultraputz> default theme is kinda windowsy. eww.
[23:16] <Ultraputz> there are things like turning off icons in menus
[23:16] <Ultraputz> using text-buttons rather than graphic buttons in application toolbars
[23:17] <filipegatti> well, I don't want to make it something that ugly :-P or without any visual identification
[23:17] <Ultraputz> you can strip a lot of it out
[23:17] <filipegatti> and as Memfis said, I want to make my xubuntu boot faster :P
[23:18] <filipegatti> so i'll need to change some obscure files
[23:18] <filipegatti> :D
[23:18] <Memfis> :)
[23:18] <Ultraputz> if you keep the background clean, you can do a lot with it and put the focus on the edges of the desktop wallpaper, leaving the windows and panels at functional minimums...
[23:18] <Ultraputz> that can be really elegant, done right.
[23:20] <filipegatti> I agree Ultraputz
[23:20] <filipegatti> but I guess removing all the icons and making everything only text would be too much
[23:20] <Ultraputz> just keep the ones that are important to you
[23:20] <Ultraputz> ilke, maybe keep toolbar icons, but kill the menu ones
[23:20] <Ultraputz> because, for the most part, those are the icons you see the most
[23:21] <filipegatti> indeed
[23:21] <Ultraputz> the ones on your desktop are covered, and the ones in the file manager only come up when you launch it.
[23:21] <Ultraputz> so they're not always going to be a drag on the thing.
[23:21] <Ultraputz> but once you know where things are in your menus, you don't really look at them, and saving the system loading and placing 10, 20, 30 odd little files or maintaining them cached in memory is a load that you can get rid of painlessly...
[23:21] <Memfis> guys wierd one for you. 'Terminal' Title bar is messed up. as far as I can tell other app's are fine. It's blocky, title is squashed and has white vertical bars over buttons.
[23:22] <Ultraputz> you've tried restarting the terminal app?
[23:22] <Memfis> yeah happens every time
[23:22] <Ultraputz> there's a setting...
[23:22] <Memfis> even if I move the window arround
[23:22] <Ultraputz> that lets you define the title bar...
[23:22] <Ultraputz> and there may be garbage in there
[23:22] <Ultraputz> you can override it to show the applicational name only, try that...
[23:22] <Ultraputz> and see if it goes away.
[23:25] <Memfis> had a look in prefs. nothing changes it. it's the same after reboots too.
[23:25] <Ultraputz> bizarre.
[23:25] <Memfis> How do you do a screen print in linux? print-screen and paste into gimp doesn't work.
[23:26] <Ultraputz> there's a package, gnome-screenshot
[23:26] <Ultraputz> you can just launch it in a terminal
[23:26] <Memfis> ok
[23:26]  * Ultraputz set a countdown timer (command line option), hide the terminal window...
[23:27] <Memfis> no pojnt I want to capture the window lol
[23:27] <Memfis> point*
[23:27]  * Ultraputz slobbers a bit.
[23:28] <filipegatti> Memfis
[23:28] <Memfis> hi
[23:28] <filipegatti> if you right-click your panel and then choose "add new item"
[23:28] <filipegatti> you will find the "take screenshot" option
[23:28] <filipegatti> its a camera :-)
[23:29] <Memfis> oh
[23:30] <Memfis> It shows on the screen shot too.
[23:30] <Memfis> lemme scp it somewhere
[23:32] <Memfis> http://80.77.245.130/Screenshot.png
[23:33] <Ultraputz> eerie.
[23:33] <Memfis> weird huh?
[23:33] <Ultraputz> the theme doesn't break like that elsewhere?
[23:33] <Memfis> not that I've seen so far. Not run much on the lapy yet. Calc & gimp seam fine.
[23:34] <Ultraputz> try an alt terminal?
[23:34] <Memfis> a what?
[23:34] <Ultraputz> try launching xterm and see what it looks like
[23:35] <Ultraputz> it's the trabant of terminals.
[23:35] <Memfis> cant find xterm is it installed by default?
[23:35] <Ultraputz> should be
[23:36] <Memfis> installing wasn't there
[23:36] <Ultraputz> type "apropos terminal"
[23:36] <Memfis> installed, cant find how to run it tho
[23:37] <Ultraputz> alt-f2, xterm
[23:37] <Memfis> thank you
[23:37] <Memfis> xterm look fine.
[23:37] <Ultraputz> dakne
[23:37] <Ultraputz> nk
[23:37] <Ultraputz> so there's a minor clue
[23:37] <Memfis> clue that I'll use xterm from now on :lol
[23:37] <Ultraputz> and an aesthetic crutch
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[23:38] <Ultraputz> you may try changing the desktop font, too
[23:38] <Memfis> I'm popping for 10. gotta check on dog & make a cuppa
[23:38] <Ultraputz> apropos searches manual pages for matches
[23:38] <filipegatti> Ultraputz, the themes you told me to use are not installed by default on xubuntu, are?
[23:39] <Ultraputz> so apropos terminal looks up everything related to the word 'terminal
[23:39] <Ultraputz> '
[23:39] <Ultraputz> fili -- it seems there were some decent ones included
[23:39] <Ultraputz> if you install xfce4-goodies, there's more
[23:39] <Ultraputz> and you can find some nice ones on xfce-look.org
[23:39] <Ultraputz> remember there's both window themes _and_ gtk themes
[23:40] <filipegatti> is there a difference?
[23:40] <Ultraputz> yes
[23:40] <Ultraputz> the xfce theme pertains to xfce -- the windows, panels, that stuff
[23:40] <Ultraputz> the gadgets in most of your apps are gtk
[23:40] <Ultraputz> so the appearance of all the buttons, widgets dependso n the gtk settings
[23:41] <Ultraputz> the one i use is frmo xfce-org called "axiom" i believe
[23:42] <Memfis> I'll have a look at that when I get back :o) ./away for 10
[23:42] <Ultraputz> i can post a screenshot if you'd like.
[23:42] <filipegatti> so what I'm looking for is a gtk theme, ok, i'll have a look!
[23:42] <Ultraputz> both
[23:42] <Ultraputz> xfce and gtk themes
[23:45] <filipegatti> Ultraputz: http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/axiom+gtk?content=90873
[23:45] <filipegatti> or http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/axiom+xfwm?content=90145 ?
[23:45] <Ultraputz> search the whole site... look at as many as you can
[23:46] <filipegatti> ...ok, but which of these ones do you use?
[23:46] <Ultraputz> both
[23:46] <Ultraputz> one is gtk, the other is xfce
[23:46] <filipegatti> oh
[23:46] <filipegatti> thats right :P
[23:46] <filipegatti> sorry!
[23:47] <Ultraputz> http://blackops.org/~jeremiah/screenshot.png
[23:48] <Ultraputz> obviously i'm spending some cpu on eyecandy here :-)
[23:48] <filipegatti> i do think so :P
[23:49] <Ultraputz> kill the dock and desktop applets, and maybe turn off compositing, and that is actually fast.
[23:49] <knome> Ultraputz, that's xfce? :P
[23:49] <Ultraputz> yup
[23:49] <Ultraputz> don't you recognize the system trap applet? :-)
[23:49] <knome> it could be from any DE/WM
[23:50] <knome> or just a separate thing
[23:50] <Ultraputz> yup :-)
[23:50] <knome> anyway good to see people customizing xfce
[23:51] <Ultraputz> i love xfce precisely because i can do this -- i can have exactly what i want, and on the cheap (in terms of overhead, speaking relatively.)
[23:51] <knome> yeah.
[23:53] <Ultraputz> it's a lot more compact now. i got rid of most of the applets and use the dock like a persistant spring-loaded menu. it's really nice for that. just hold the mouse over something, the sub-dock opens, pick your app off of it. i find it faster than using the menu.
[23:54] <knome> agree.
[23:54] <knome> though i usually only use like three apps
[23:54] <knome> but *many* windows
[23:54] <knome> that's why i need two monitors :P
[23:55] <Ultraputz> my project was walking away from my mac. other than vectorworks, i did. it's my organizer, communicator, design and productivity tool, and my development environment, music studio... and it does it spectacularly well. i've not been this happy with a system since i had an amiga.
[23:57] <Ultraputz> that's looking past copious obvious flaws, but, as far as X goes, XFCE really delivers, and as far as linux goes, Ubuntu really delivers. It's a spectacularly flexible system.