[01:27] <ball> Anyone here use Edubuntu with LTSP?
[01:28] <ball> (or vice versa)
[02:04] <Ahmuck-Jr> is there a way to tell from the client if it is fat or thin?
[02:11] <Ahmuck-Jr> nm, it's easy.  it's caching everything at this point
[02:17] <Nubae-laptop> just check to see if in the terminal you see the server or the client
[02:21] <Ahmuck-Jr> let's say we want to try blender.  does it buffer everything in the fat client's memory?
[02:21] <Nubae-laptop> yes, though u can set it to use local or server swap space too
[02:22] <Nubae-laptop> Ive never run tests to see if it maxes out the memory
[02:22] <Nubae-laptop> would be interesting to see what happens
[02:23] <Ahmuck-Jr> i just tried to use smc on a client to see how it would work. it was unusable.  i'm wondering if to run such beasts if one needs a fatter client
[02:23] <Nubae-laptop> smc?
[02:46] <Ahmuck-Jr> k, been trying a few other childrens games and software.  wine is kinda iffy at times
[02:46] <Ahmuck-Jr> outside of wine those that run on linux work sorta ok, i assume it's cause my fat clients are not all that fat. 1Gz with 128 or 258Mb ram
[02:47] <Nubae-laptop> can u write down which apps u try, and rate them
[02:47] <Nubae-laptop> 128mb is really little
[02:47] <Nubae-laptop> 256 is recommended, and with 512 it will be quite nice
[02:48] <Ahmuck-Jr> what would you like me to test against?
[02:48] <Ahmuck-Jr> machine wise
[02:48] <Nubae-laptop> remember that essentially a fat client is the same as having your box run a normal ubuntu... so whatever speed u normally get on the machine if u installed to a hard drive is the speed ull get
[02:48] <Ahmuck-Jr> hrm, ok
[02:48] <Nubae-laptop> but u can play with the window manager of course
[02:48] <Ahmuck-Jr> that's what i thought and i was under the impression these might do that.  however, i'll look at the specs on them and see
[02:48] <Nubae-laptop> using xubuntu would be much faster
[02:49] <Ahmuck-Jr> xubuntu on the server?
[02:49] <Nubae-laptop> ram is the big kicker... Im sure if u enable swap it will go faster
[02:49] <Ahmuck-Jr> how about openbox, via crashbang?
[02:49] <Nubae-laptop> no, in fatclient chroot
[02:49] <Nubae-laptop> anything u like really
[02:49] <Nubae-laptop> its just changing the packages that are mentioned in the script
[02:49] <Ahmuck-Jr> enable swap for the fat client?  does the swap use the local hard disk ?
[02:50] <Nubae-laptop> it uses what u tell it to use
[02:50] <Nubae-laptop> server swap or local swap
[02:50] <Ahmuck-Jr> the local hard disk would be faster than trying to send swap over the wire
[02:50]  * Ahmuck-Jr thinks
[02:50] <Nubae-laptop> depends on how much is sent
[02:50] <Nubae-laptop> it should be minimal unless u run with 128mb of course
[02:51] <Nubae-laptop> in which case a snappier windows manager is probably a better idea
[02:51] <Nubae-laptop> u could try sugar too, that only needs 55mb
[02:51] <Ahmuck-Jr> k, i'll check mem specs.  pc166 mem is about 40.00 for two 256mb chips
[02:51] <Nubae-laptop> sounds expensive
[02:51] <Ahmuck-Jr> so at that point it makes sense to purchase new mobo, procs, and mem
[02:52] <Nubae-laptop> I can get it over here much cheaper
[02:52] <Ahmuck-Jr> where r u at?
[02:52] <Nubae-laptop> vienna, Austria
[02:52] <Nubae-laptop> there are second hand shops here that carry lots of that stuff, at virtually nothing
[02:53] <Ahmuck-Jr> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146302
[02:53] <Nubae-laptop> I calculated I could build a terminal with screen for under 80$
[02:53] <Ahmuck-Jr> it's coming down
[02:53] <Ahmuck-Jr> i'm very rural, and the closest second hand shop would be 4 hours
[02:53] <Nubae-laptop> ah... yeah... and of course they dont carry that online :-)
[02:56] <Nubae-laptop> u checked ebay
[02:56] <Nubae-laptop> ?
[02:59] <Ahmuck-Jr> nope
[03:00] <Ahmuck-Jr> we get these auctions that sell computers in lots basically
[03:00] <Ahmuck-Jr> so i've been looking at those
[03:00] <Ahmuck-Jr> windows xp key is on them, so i would suspect they might run a bit faster
[03:09] <Ahmuck-Jr> k. well this is a nice start.  i did notice an improvement in speed on inet and office so that was nice
[03:10] <Ahmuck-Jr> you mentioned enabling swap on the client.  just create a linux swap partition or is this something that needs to be enabled in the client configuration ?
[03:10] <Nubae-laptop> no needs to be enabled
[03:10] <Nubae-laptop> I can add it to the script, its a couple lines... but its getting late now, remind me tomorrow
[03:11] <Ahmuck-Jr> yes, it's very late for me
[03:12] <Ahmuck-Jr> i'll remind you then.  thx again Nubae-laptop i'll play around with my configurations
[03:12] <Ahmuck-Jr> and post a "tried" list out
[03:12] <Nubae-laptop> k
[04:25] <The_Undisputable> hi evertybody
[08:36] <generalsnus> I have a problem with users unable to mount their USB drives on our thinclients. We use Xubuntu LTSP servers..and authenticate users against M$ server 2003. previously this had worked great.. but   somwhere along with some updates, it must have been broken. I remeber editing a config file to get this working in the first place.. but cant remember witch..  Also adding users to a linux group(fuse), wont work since the 
[08:51] <generalsnus> how can i add a group that is called " domain^users "  to a group in xubuntu that is called "FUSE"?
[09:35] <generalsnus> Can somone help me troubleshoot this error mesage? i get it when i try to mount a USB drive: A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal").'
[10:10] <generalsnus> how can i get usb disk to mount automaticly on desktop in xubuntu? or how can i make a application launcher on desktop..with the command: thunar /media/$USER/usbdisk-sda1
[11:27] <RichEd> generalsnus: I suggest you also try asking in #ltsp
[11:28] <RichEd> we all use the same LTSP and the guys there are well up to speed on ubuntu
[11:28] <RichEd> sbalneav should also be around later here and there ... he is on canada time
[15:28] <ball> If I didn't have to be here today, I could try out Edubuntu (and send out a bunch of resumes)
[15:37] <ball> hello Ahmuck
[15:37] <ball> brb
[15:39] <Ahmuck> hi ball !
[15:56] <sbalneav> Morning all
[16:00] <ball> hello
[17:32] <LaserJock> morgs: so does sugar-hulahop have to be rebuilt every time there's a new firefox/xulrunner version?
[17:38] <Ahmuck-Jr> ow if it does
[17:43] <ball> oooh... I could almost try Sugar now if it weren't for my 12.5" screen.
[17:43] <ball> I have a Xubuntu box ready.
[17:46] <LaserJock> ball: 12.5" is too small?
[17:46] <Ahmuck-Jr> someone point me to sugar?!
[17:46] <Ahmuck-Jr> via html link?
[17:46] <LaserJock> Ahmuck-Jr: the project or do you want to install it?
[17:46] <Ahmuck-Jr> i'm really curious now.  the project so i can review it
[17:47] <LaserJock> http://sugarlabs.org/go/Main_Page
[17:49] <Ahmuck-Jr> how does sugar work with ubuntu?  does that come up as the desktop replacement?
[17:49] <ball> LaserJock: it is at 80 DPI, but it that way.
[17:49] <Ahmuck-Jr> work with ubuntu ltsp
[17:49] <ball> (and the monitor's not up to more than 80 dpi)
[17:51] <LaserJock> Ahmuck-Jr: you can have it just be like Gnome or KDE, a login option
[17:51] <LaserJock> Ahmuck-Jr: I run it in the emulator on my Gnome desktop now
[17:51] <LaserJock> as I don't need to run it full time
[17:54] <Ahmuck-Jr> LaserJock: i thought sugar was the entire desktop.  is there a way to force it that way for kids?
[17:54] <LaserJock> Ahmuck-Jr: what do you mean?
[17:54] <ball> run it in place of your window manager?
[17:54] <LaserJock> if you just install it you can do that
[17:57] <Ahmuck-Jr> one thing i've looked at is separating ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu/crunchbang/opengeu and their menus
[17:58] <Ahmuck-Jr> so that their default menus are intact allowing the user to use a default install of that particular flavour of *untu
[17:58] <Ahmuck-Jr> well, desktop, being gnome, kde, openbox, sugar
[17:59] <LaserJock> that's a tough nut to crack
[17:59] <Ahmuck-Jr> same distro, separate desktop based on user preferences, or
[17:59] <LaserJock> with gnome and kde it's somewhat easy to do
[17:59] <LaserJock> because they often set gnome and kde specifc flags in their .desktop files
[17:59] <Ahmuck-Jr> Nubae's fat clients are going to force me into learning python and QT so i can program a gui for fat/thin client host administration
[18:00] <LaserJock> but for just general menu entries it's not easy to say
[18:00] <ball> I would like to be able to launch the menu as a separate X client, for when I'm not sitting at the console.
[18:00] <LaserJock> Ahmuck-Jr: Qt?
[18:01] <LaserJock> are you running KDE?
[18:01] <Ahmuck-Jr> no, but i like Qt apps :)
[18:02] <Ahmuck-Jr> and Qt apps are portable iirc
[18:03] <LaserJock> pygtk would also be fairly portable
[18:03] <LaserJock> I just wondered, as doing pyqt would force a dependency whereas pygtk would not as it's already installed
[18:04] <Ahmuck-Jr> on ubuntu ltsp client ?
[18:04] <Ahmuck-Jr> i'll look at it for sure
[18:04] <Ahmuck-Jr> hrm, i don't think my fat clients are in fat client mode.
[20:00] <morgs> LaserJock: yeah, hulahop needs rebuilding for each new xulrunner. asac referred to some way around that which I must look into.
[20:01] <LaserJock> morgs: yeah, that's seriously uncool :-)
[20:02] <LaserJock> imagine through the next 3 years of hardy support us needing to reupload hulahop
[20:02] <morgs> yeah, I was hoping to get some assistance from the mozillateam for uploads each time, but since hulahop's in universe they're not happy to take it on themselves
[20:16] <morgs> Somehow debian manage not to change the xulrunner paths for every minor release in their packaging, it's always /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9 not /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.5
[20:18] <LaserJock> morgs: I wonder why we do that?
[22:30] <Ahmuck> what is hulahop?
[22:34] <LaserJock> Ahmuck: it's a part of sugar that is used by the web browser
[22:35] <LaserJock> python-hulahop - Sugar graphical shell - gecko-based web engine
[22:43] <Ahmuck> k. i've been looking at gullop ?
[22:43] <LaserJock> Ahmuck: ?
[22:44] <Ahmuck> bbiab