[01:34] <R_Rios> Can anyone give me some help? http://forum.kde.org/amarok-2-isnt-running-on-kubuntu-intrepid-t-20398.html
[02:04] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Anybody volunteer to work on Alpha 2 release notes while I was out?
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> not that I saw
[02:05] <ScottK> Grumble.
[02:05] <jjesse> alpha2 arleady out?
[02:05] <jjesse> wow that is so quick
[02:05] <ScottK> jjesse: No.  We need release notes.
[02:05] <seele> sounds like a documentation job to me
[02:05]  * seele looks at nixternal 
[02:05] <jjesse> yes it does
[02:06] <ScottK> nixternal used to do them.
[02:06]  * jjesse points at nixternal
[02:06] <jjesse> i barely have my laptop running again
[02:07] <ScottK> jjesse: (or nixternal on the off chance he actually does something) The key points of which I'm aware are + KDE4.2 beta2 - Bluetooth is still broken and kmail/kdepim not on the CD (but can be installed from the archives). No amarok2 yet either.
[02:08] <jjesse> ScottK let me see if i can get to it
[02:08] <vorian> konversation has been dropped to universe as well, right?
[02:08] <jjesse> like i said my laptop is barely running
[02:09] <jjesse> tried to resume from suspend and it said insert windows disk for repair
[02:09] <vorian> nay
[02:09] <ScottK> vorian: Dropped it to the dvd, not all the way to Universe
[02:09] <jjesse> this is on my work laptop and i'm in houston away from cds
[02:09] <vorian> roger
[02:09] <ScottK> So that's worth mentioning too.  No IRC client in the default install
[02:10] <ScottK> jjesse: Thanks.  I have to catch up on the $WORK I blew off earlier today to get stuff installable and (hopefully) fit on the CD.
[02:12] <jjesse> grumble vmware workstation is giving me fits on this ubuntu  build
[02:12] <jjesse> i can't navigate in the boot menus of things, like suse server install or the ubuntu server install
[02:12] <jjesse> this sucks
[02:14] <ScottK> Anyone not working on release notes might want to consider working on libplasma2 -> libplasma3 transition.
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> whoa, found a patch for porting plasmoid-quickaccess to kde 4.2's api on kde-look: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=84128&forumpage=8
[02:20] <JontheEchidna> wonder if it works
[02:20] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Great.  I kicked it off the CD until it got ported, so maybe we can put it back.
[02:20]  * JontheEchidna gets cracking
[02:28]  * JontheEchidna pbuilds new quickaccess
[02:30] <vorian> quickaccess ftl
[02:30]  * vorian runs
[02:30] <vorian> quicklaunch would be nice
[02:30]  * vorian finds
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> yarr, quicklaunch be distributed with kdebase-workspace in KDE 4.2
[02:32] <vorian> wha?!!
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> ...matey
[02:32] <vorian> howd i miss tha
[02:32] <vorian> t\
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> ftbfs. guess patches from kde-look can't be that good :P
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> oh, unless I forgot to include a file in the patch >.>
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> heh, the patch is still incomplete regardless
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> trying again..
[02:52] <ScottK> Do we have packagekit packaged yet?
[02:53] <nixternal> are release notes completed already? if not I can work on them
[02:53]  * Hobbsee is sure packagekit should package itself.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> !vistalover | to the rescue!
[02:53] <nixternal> hehe
[02:54] <nixternal> haha, packagekit should package itself...that is a good one :)
[02:54] <ScottK> nixternal: jjesse was taking a stab at them.
[02:54] <nixternal> ok...spent most of the night at the car dealer trying to get my stuff fixed
[02:54] <ScottK> At a car dealer in the most corrupt state in the country.  Must have been fun.
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: success
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> should I throw a debdiff your way?
[02:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Great.  Builds success or builds and works?
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> builds successfully
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I should backport it
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> so that I can test it
[02:58] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: There's a set of Alpha 2 images building right now, so I can't reseed it anyway, because I don't want to trigger another rebuild.  So I'd say go ahead and test it before we upload it.
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> ok
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> testing is always good
[02:58] <ScottK> Depends.
[02:58] <ScottK> Best way to have no bugs is to do no testing.
[02:59] <ScottK> Then break the bug tracker after release.
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> heh
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> "no known bugs"
[02:59] <ScottK> Yep.
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Works fine from what I can tell
[03:08] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: debdiff me then.
[03:10] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/87493/
[03:20] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Looks sane.  Will testbuild and upload if it builds
[03:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Any other libplasma2 -> 3 stuff you want to send me I'll be glad to upload too.
[03:30] <JontheEchidna> Ok, it would probably be good to look at all the libplasma2 stuff in universe before the next alpha, so I'll put that on the TODO
[03:31] <JontheEchidna> not that it would hold up the alpha or anything
[03:33] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It'd be nice to get through it real soon and file bugs upstream so maybe they fix it.
[03:33] <JontheEchidna> most of them are from kde-look and don't have bugtrackers. Submitting the patches to the upstreams would still be a very good idea
[03:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Uploaded.  Thanks.
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> yw
[03:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If that one is in bzr, please make sure you update there too.
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> I don't think it is
[03:38] <JontheEchidna> maybe it should have a bzr branch, but not tonight
[03:38]  * JontheEchidna will turn in soon
[03:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: Looks like kdeplasma-addons isn't in bzr.  I dunno how to set up a new one, so if you'd do it, I'd appreciate it.
[03:46]  * JontheEchidna out
[04:17] <NCommander> ScottK, you need you request a VCS import
[04:17] <NCommander> (to get it form VCS Debian)
[04:18] <ScottK> NCommander: Would you do it?
[04:18]  * ScottK really doesn't care to learn.
[04:19] <NCommander> apachelogger has it setup a little weird (since it doesn't seem the debian branches are owned by vcs-imports)
[04:19] <ScottK> OK.  I'll leave it to him.
[04:19] <ScottK> NCommander: Any idea why if lpia is listed as official, it's still on ports?
[04:19] <NCommander> Its been like that for ages
[04:20] <ScottK> Right, it started there, but didn't move over.
[04:20] <NCommander> THat being said, some ISV's that ship LPIA have local copies of the lpia tree
[04:20] <NCommander> No need to bog down the mirrors with something ISV's are already handling
[04:20] <ScottK> Maybe it makes that easier.
[04:20] <ScottK> Perhaps.
[04:20] <NCommander> w00t, kde4bindings is almost fully built on ARM
[04:20]  * NCommander has been doing a fullr ebuild test to confirm there are no more fun things in hiding
[04:21] <ScottK> Excellent.
[04:21] <NCommander> it built PyKDE4 and the mono ****
[04:21] <NCommander> it just needs to finish qyoto
[04:21] <ScottK> Now if we could just figure out where the hppa builds went.
[04:21] <NCommander> ScottK, I can attach debdiffs to the bug on Launchpad if you don't feel like bazaar hunting
[04:22] <ScottK> NCommander: That's not a problem since you linked the branches.
[04:22]  * NCommander is good like that
[04:22] <NCommander> did Riddell get back to you on kde4bindings?
[04:22] <ScottK> Nope.
[04:23] <ScottK> Wanna do some libplasma2 -> libplasma3 porting in the meantime?  It's all in Universe, so you can even upload it.
[04:23] <NCommander> What sort of porting does it usually involve?
[04:23] <ScottK> There's some API changes.
[04:23] <ScottK> NCommander: http://paste.ubuntu.com/87493/ is one example.
[04:24] <NCommander> yuck
[04:24]  * NCommander grabs kate
[04:30] <NCommander> I got plasmoid-wifi
[04:31] <ScottK> Put that way I'm not sure if that's a disease or something you're working on.
[04:31] <NCommander> ??
[04:31] <NCommander> lol
[04:32]  * ScottK wonders if he got it from kate?
[04:32] <NCommander> kate was transitioned
[04:32] <NCommander> I had to do an apt-get update
[04:32] <ScottK> Yes, but you were recently seen grabbing kate, so who knows what else happened.
[04:32] <seele> kate is a dirty little whore
[04:33]  * NCommander throws things at ScottK and seele
[04:33]  * ScottK breaks out the autoclave.
[04:33]  * NCommander just waits for plasmoid-wifi to finish pbuildering
[04:33] <NCommander> It builds fine against libplasma3 :-)
[04:33] <ScottK> Excellent.
[04:33] <ScottK> Upload that sucker.
[04:34] <NCommander> I'm waiting for pbuilder
[04:34] <NCommander> (I did a debuild -B since I expected to have to make changes)
[04:37] <NCommander> ScottK, whats the dpkg command to look at a package and print its dependencies?
[04:38] <ScottK> Dunno.  I think debc would provide that among other things.
[04:38] <ScottK> I generally look in the .deb with ark or file-roller (since ark is currently somewhat deficient)
[04:38] <NCommander> cool, the depends look good
[04:39] <NCommander> if it finishes pbuilder, its uploaded
[04:42] <NCommander> ScottK, kde4bindings made it to the install step!
[04:43] <NCommander> uploading plasmoid wifi
[04:43] <ScottK> NCommander: Double cool.
[04:44]  * NCommander grabs plasmoid-weater
[04:50] <NCommander> bah
[04:50] <NCommander> weater needs a patch to build against the right Qt libraries
[05:06] <NCommander> dh_install: qyoto-examples missing files (../../obj-*-linux-gnu/csharp/qyoto/examples/*), aborting
[05:06] <NCommander> ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
[05:06] <NCommander> (ARM build)
[05:10] <NCommander> ../../obj-*-linux-gnu/csharp/qyoto/examples/* /usr/share/qyoto-examples/
[05:10] <NCommander> THat doesn't seem right ...
[05:12] <NCommander> Oh
[05:12] <NCommander> I see the problem
[05:12] <NCommander> the -gnu part is incorrect on ARM
[05:16] <ScottK> Had a similar problem on lpia.
[05:21] <NCommander> plasmoid-weather transitioned
[05:33] <NCommander> ScottK, I just included yet another fix into kde4bindings (the one to fix csharp examples)
[05:34] <ScottK> OK.  Not uploading until after the alpha.
[05:34] <NCommander> yeah thats fine
[05:35] <NCommander> that gives me plenty of time to rebuild anyway
[05:35] <NCommander> and time to work out why krossruby didn't build ..
[05:37] <NCommander> yay for FTBFS :-/
[05:39] <NCommander> -- The detected Ruby is too old for kross. A Ruby which has rb_hash_foreach is required. Upgrade to 1.8.2 or later
[05:39] <NCommander> WTF?
[05:39] <NCommander> ruby 1.8.7 (2008-08-11 patchlevel 72) [arm-linux-eabi]
[05:43] <NCommander> ScottK, how do you do a list-missing with kde4.mk
[05:44] <ScottK> Dunno.  One of apachelogger fancy scripts has a hook for it.
[05:44] <ScottK> Sorry, distracted with trying to make the CDs fit.
[05:46] <NCommander> ok
[05:46] <NCommander> fair enough
[05:46] <NCommander> bah
[05:46] <NCommander> I think we have a ruby patch coming up next -_-;
[05:51] <NCommander> crap
[05:51] <NCommander> confirmed ruby bug
[05:52]  * NCommander just can not win
[05:58]  * ScottK ponders punting amarok
[05:58]  * NCommander unconfirms the ruby bug
[05:58] <NCommander> And now it works fine
[05:58] <NCommander> WTF is going on
[05:58] <ScottK> It's not amarok2, so no one will care.
[05:58]  * NCommander wishes we had that librarian log
[06:08] <NCommander> ScottK, if you upload kde4bindings tommorow, please make sure you run the list-missing hook (I have a build going now, but I'm not sure I'm going to be awake for the end of it)
[06:09] <ScottK> NCommander: I'm not uploading it until you say go.
[06:10] <NCommander> Thanks
[06:10] <NCommander> I'm in a good mood however since everything is building now
[06:16] <ScottK> nixternal: I just pitched amarok off the CD since I needed space and it's not amarok2.  Kubuntu-docs as well since they aren't updated.
[06:16] <ScottK> nixternal: For the release notes.
[06:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I got plasmoide-quickaccess seeded again.  Thanks for fixing it up.
[06:18] <ScottK> Or however you spell that.
[06:18] <ScottK> Now I'm off to bed.
[06:18]  * ScottK predicts Riddell will have fun getting the seeds straight when he gets back.
[06:26] <Riddell> hmm?
[06:28]  * Riddell hugs ScottK, and NCommander, and anyone else who's fixing up alpha 2
[06:28] <ScottK> Riddell: I just pitched amarok off the CD for one.
[06:28] <ScottK> I figure it's not amarok2 yet, so no one will care.
[06:29] <Riddell> fair enough
[06:29] <ScottK> Riddell: I also pitched kmail and kdepim because with akonadi and mysql that saved us over 40MB.
[06:29] <ScottK> That was almost enough.  Thus amarok.
[06:30] <ScottK> Konversation too.
[06:30] <ScottK> We need to put KDE4.2 on a diet somewhere.
[06:30] <ScottK> Now really going to bed.
[06:41] <NCommander> Riddell, we should talk about using lzma compression for our debs
[06:41] <NCommander> It should help save loads of space
[06:41] <NCommander> (at the cost of increasing package build times ...)
[07:11] <Tonio_> hi there
[07:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've been able to use knetworkmanager-kde4 without the kde3 version installed....
[07:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is probably just one bug in fact, but a pretty annoying one.... it can write the settings and connections informations, but fails to read at some points...
[07:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: so you have to enter the connection informations everytime, but btw, it shouldn't be a problem getting something stable and working for jaunty :)
[07:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: as for the new powerdevil plasmoid.... works even better than guidance here, with 4.2 beta 2
[07:46] <NCommander> Riddell, do you know who did kde4bindings update?
[07:47] <NCommander> Riddell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/87628/ - something seems wrong :-)
[07:49] <NCommander> nm
[07:49] <NCommander> THat's perfectly fine
[10:18] <knusperfrosch> nixternal: updated to 4.1.85 today and noticed that kwin got worse (at least for me) ;)
[10:25] <cbr> worse in what way?
[10:26] <knusperfrosch> i'll try to explain how it behaves
[10:27] <knusperfrosch> i turn on my external monitor with xrandr --output VGA --auto;sleep 1; xrandr --output VGA --left-of LVDS
[10:27] <knusperfrosch> screen starts to flicker for a while, kwin crashes (like it did with 4.1.80)
[10:27] <knusperfrosch> then, windows arent repainted
[10:28] <knusperfrosch> couldnt see where the crashmanager was till i opened yakuake and the window border got painted
[10:28] <knusperfrosch> then i noticed that both displays show the same content, except for the mouse
[10:29] <knusperfrosch> you can handle a window only on the display where it _really_ is, but it gets painted on both
[10:29] <knusperfrosch> quite weird
[10:31] <knusperfrosch> thats my xorg.conf http://dpaste.com/100326/
[10:31] <knusperfrosch> on intel 855gm
[10:32] <knusperfrosch> that's the crash: http://dpaste.com/100327/
[10:32] <knusperfrosch> but i think that one is already known
[10:32] <knusperfrosch> should be that one https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173017
[11:26] <cbr> wtf.. kwin is using 80% cpu again
[11:31] <cbr> ooh.. nice and opening a video hardfroze linux
[11:59] <NCommander> ScottK, on the topic of kde4bindings, it fully builds on ARM now (woo), but some of the csharp examples don't appear to be installed
[12:00] <NCommander> ScottK, I don't think its worth delaying the upload to fix once alpha 2 goes but ...
[12:00] <ScottK> Right.
[12:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdeplasma-addons/ubuntu
[12:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: maybe it is just missing from gypsy?
[12:27] <apachelogger> no, it's also listed there
[12:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: No, I was at ubuntu/kdeplasma-addons not kdeplasma-addons.
[12:27] <ScottK> Thanks.
[12:31] <ScottK> vorian: I think since you didn't look in bzr and thus missed apachelogger pending changes, you ought to merge the last two uploads into bzr.
[12:36] <ScottK> Time for Alpha 2 image testing.
[12:36] <ScottK> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20081218.2/
[12:36] <ScottK> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20081218.5/
[12:44] <ScottK> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[12:48] <ScottK> Riddell normally tests most of these images, so since he's on vacation, we really need people to run the tests.
[13:00]  * ScottK grumbles to nixternal about release notes too.
[13:00] <nixternal> why?
[13:00] <davmor2> ScottK: already running
[13:00] <nixternal> you told me jjesse was working on them last night when I asked
[13:01] <ScottK> nixternal: He's not online, so I'm picking on you.
[13:01] <ScottK> nixternal: I thought maybe you and he were collaborating.
[13:01] <ScottK> davmor2: Great.
[13:02] <nixternal> nixternal->work();
[13:02] <davmor2> ScottK: I found one issue.  if you right click on the K menu and change the settings to slide on hover it doesn't
[13:03] <davmor2> amarok 1.4 is still in live too when will it be upgraded?
[13:08] <JontheEchidna> davmor2: once we get mysql 5.1
[13:09] <davmor2> JontheEchidna: Okay ta for the update :)
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> yw
[13:10] <ScottK> davmor2: Actually it's not on the live.  I took it off for space reasons.
[13:11] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^
[13:11] <ScottK> davmor2: Please file a bug then.
[13:15] <rgreening> Ok, so I apparantly have a major ear and lung infection; doc put me on some huge horse pills plus a puffer. :(
[13:15] <ScottK> Kewl.
[13:15] <rgreening> UDS plague
[13:15] <rgreening> ;)
[13:16] <ScottK> Fortunately there's nothing wrong with your fingers or eyes, so you can do Alpha 2 ISO testing ...
[13:16] <rgreening> lol
[13:16] <rgreening> you are a real task master. need a whip?
[13:16] <rgreening> :P
[13:16] <ScottK> No, need people to test ....
[13:17]  * ScottK cheers the work davmor2 has already done.
[13:17] <rgreening> I'll dl iso
[13:17] <ScottK> Great.  Thanks.
[13:18] <rgreening> np. :)
[13:25] <NCommander> oooh, rgreening, how are you feeling this morning?
[13:30] <rgreening> bleck
[13:34]  * ScottK kicks NCommander and hands him some iso tests for taunting the sick.
[13:34] <rgreening> :)
[13:39]  * JontheEchidna could test a bit over lunch, he supposes
[13:40] <ScottK> Great.
[13:59] <ScottK> smarter: I see you have packaging for a newer kde4-style-bespin snapshot in bzr.  Where is it, is it ready for upload, and does it work with libplasma3?
[14:09] <davmor2> ScottK: meh plasma Workspace Crashed fatal error bug it when I get back
[14:16] <ScottK> Lovely.
[14:26] <ScottK> Live CD images are on the ISO tracker now so get your test results in ....
[14:26] <ScottK> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[14:40] <NCommander> I'll test the AMD64 alternative
[14:41] <ScottK> Great.
[14:41] <NCommander> QEMU had issues with the live one  last time I tried it
[14:44] <ScottK> NCommander: Any suggestions on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasmoid-toggle-compositing/0.2.1-0ubuntu2/+build/816832/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-armel.plasmoid-toggle-compositing_0.2.1-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:45] <NCommander> double/qreal mismatch
[14:45]  * NCommander winces
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> since that plasmoid is basically an icon itself, it will probably need to have it's Plasma::Icon's changed to Plasma::IconWidget
[14:47] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Already did that.
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> oh, cool :)
[14:47] <ScottK> It built anyway
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> I think that one is in KDE playground
[14:47] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Feel free to grab the updates source and see if I fixed it right.
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/debian/ktorrent.xpm': No such file or directory
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> meh :(
[14:49]  * JontheEchidna is doing a ktorrent merge
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> looking at the current diff between debian and my merge I cwy this wouldn't ftbfs on debian either
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> ....can't see why, not cwy
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> I think those plasmoid notifications stole keyboard focus :/
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/87833/ <- debian to my merge
[14:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Looking at lines 516/517, why do you add the Debian VCS stuff?
[14:56] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Also, since it's in Main, it'll wait until after the Alpha is released (hint: Get testing)
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> still downloading the iso
[14:57] <ScottK> Great.
[14:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We probably ought to have this one in bzr too, so instead of adding the Debian VCS sutff, maybe talk to apachelogger about adding it to ours ...
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> that would make for a better changelog entry irt the vcs than what I have :P
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> so .xpm files are used for menus?
[15:04]  * JontheEchidna still has no clue why its failing
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> ooh, iso finished downloading, /me fires up k3b
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> mmm, the cd burner isn't sounding too terribly... healthy
[15:08]  * JontheEchidna afk to exercise dog
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: the iso is too big
[15:09] <ScottK> Urg
[15:09] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Which one did you download?
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> i386 livecd
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> using 700 MB media, k3b sez it won't fit
[15:10] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[15:11] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I don't rember, can you tell it to try anyway?
[15:12]  * JontheEchidna looks
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> nope, I can't see a way
[15:14] <ScottK> vorian: I fixed up kdeplasma-addons in bzr.
[15:14] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[15:14]  * ScottK is downloading it.
[15:15] <ScottK> I'd have guessed that the oversize detector they have is accurate.
[15:15] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: What k3b are you using?
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> 1.0.5
[15:16]  * JontheEchidna afk for ~25 minutes for reals
[15:16] <ScottK> davmor2-away: How did you burn the CD?
[15:16] <ScottK> And which one?
[15:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just change the vcs stuff using the pattern from core KDE and push to lp:~kubuntu-members/ktorrent/ubuntu
[15:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: Any ISO testing for you (please)?
[15:17] <knusperfrosch> is there a test-checklist for the isos? or just play round and try to find bugs?
[15:17] <ScottK> knusperfrosch: The qatracker link in /topic has links to test procedures.
[15:18] <ScottK> knusperfrosch: But for an early Alpha like this we aren't too picky ....
[15:19] <knusperfrosch> k i'll give it a try :)
[15:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: I can't... I am working on a top secret amarok project and will be offline for about 16 hours in a bit
[15:19] <apachelogger> could do something tomorrow afternoon (utcish)
[15:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  If we aren't done by then....
[15:22] <apachelogger> I'll try to get in the marketing meeting tomorrow morning @work, I should have plenty of time then
[15:23] <apachelogger> not sure if that works out, since I spent half the week in meetings ;-)
[15:25]  * NCommander runs the kubuntu alternate tests
[15:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: i386 fits just fine here using my ancient and crusty Dapper k3b 0.12.17 (Using KDE 3.5.5).
[15:37] <NCommander> so far so good on the first alternate ISO test
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> hmm, wonder why k3b won't burn it...
[15:44] <NCommander> so ... slow ...
[15:44] <NCommander> :-/
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> beta2 is officially released
[15:45] <NCommander> ??
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> http://kde.org/
[15:46] <NCommander> shouldn't all our 4.1.85 packaged stayed in the private PPA until the official release ;-)?
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> Timezone mixup, I copied a bit early
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> one concern about using the P3A for testing is that it limits the testing pool
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> meaning that I couldn't just go and ask for testing in #kubuntu-testers
[15:49] <NCommander> yeah, but we're not supposed to release said source packages at all until that time has passed
[15:49] <NCommander> */2 cents*
[16:01] <ScottK> NCommander: Agreed.  We're doing better about that though.
[16:02] <NCommander> ugh
[16:02] <NCommander> alt CD
[16:02] <NCommander> super slow
[16:02] <NCommander> I'm only going to do one the test suites now
[16:02] <NCommander> I need to get some sleep
[16:02] <NCommander> I can do the other five on the alt amd64 when I wake up
[16:02] <ScottK> NCommander: Please mark it done on the ISO tracker before you sleep.
[16:03] <NCommander> I plan to
[16:03] <ScottK> NCommander: Thanks.
[16:03] <NCommander> Do we need full coverage before alpha 2 gains wings and flys away?
[16:03] <ScottK> NCommander: Probably not since it's an early one, but the more the better.
[16:03] <NCommander> Usually once you have one successful alt installation, the other ones work fine
[16:04] <NCommander> 81%
[16:09] <NCommander> Ok
[16:09] <NCommander> It works
[16:09] <NCommander> yay
[16:09] <NCommander> reported
[16:10] <ScottK> NCommander: Thanks.
[16:10] <NCommander> I'm debating if I have another test in me
[16:10]  * NCommander can let it run while I sleep
[16:15]  * ScottK rejoices at the non-zero status of testing.
[16:16] <ScottK> anyone else?
[16:20] <NCommander> ScottK, I removed the "DON'T UPLOAD" from the kde4bindings ARM fixes
[16:20] <NCommander> So feel free to throw those at the archive
[16:20] <NCommander> I know the libs and python-qt4 fixes are fine, and I'm 99.9% sure on kde4bindings
[16:20] <ScottK> NCommander: OK.  After the Alpha release ....
[16:20] <NCommander> that's what I meant :-)
[16:21] <ScottK> NCommander: Thanks for testing.
[16:26] <davmor2-away> ScottK: is the version change the cause of the issues then?
[16:35] <ScottK> davmor2: Which issues?
[16:36] <davmor2> ScottK: plasma Workspace breakage etc
[16:38] <smarter> hey ScottK, it's pretty much ready to upload(haven't tested it against atm 4.2 but it's supposed to work according to the svn changelog)
[16:38]  * smarter updates to today snapshot and testbuilds
[16:39] <ScottK> smarter: Great.  I'm hoping we can get rid of libplasma2 soon.
[16:39] <smarter> I'm also working on an almost ready updated webkitkde :)
[16:39] <ScottK> davmor2: Presumably.  Please file bugs so we can push them upstream and get stuff straight for 4.2.0
[16:40] <davmor2> ScottK: just rsyncing my image to make sure I'm testing the right one and I'll try again and see if things are still the same :)
[16:40] <ScottK> davmor2: great.  thanks.
[16:44] <ScottK> Remaining libplasma2 rdepends are plasmoid-xbar (smarter doing) plasmoid-system-status plasmoid-quicklauncher plasmoid-kepas plasmoid-flickr plasmoid-am4rok kmldonkey
[16:45] <ScottK> I think i bagged my quota for the day, so step right up ...
[16:45] <smarter> I maintain kepas too, I'll see if latest svn builds with plasma3
[16:46] <ScottK> Great.  Thanks.
[17:32] <f4l3> dpkg: errore processando /var/cache/apt/archives/kmouth_4%3a4.1.85-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[17:32] <f4l3>  tentata sovrascrittura di `/usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/kmouth.svgz', che si trova anche nel pacchetto kde-icons-mono
[17:32] <f4l3> it seems kmouth creates some problems
[17:33]  * NCommander checks off another test
[17:34] <NCommander> and now time for bed
[17:35] <NCommander> another test done
[17:36] <cbr> lol.. i got a notice "compositing was too slow and was suspended"
[17:36] <cbr> after clicking a link in firefox
[17:42] <ScottK> FYI there are apparently issues in Kubuntu ubiquity's manual partitioning, so best skip more testing of that for now.
[17:44] <aske> will be kde playground package available in 9.04?
[17:48] <ScottK> davmor2: How far along are the installs you have in progress?
[17:49] <ScottK> davmor2: AFAIK you're the only one to try actual installs off the Live, so it might be useful to let them finish (so we can find out what else mightb be broken sooner rather than later)
[17:49] <davmor2> ScottK: issues with ubiquity install on manual just trying to find out whether it's worth continuing if there is a re-roll required
[17:50] <ScottK> Given what evand just said, I'd suggest continuing.
[17:51] <davmor2> will ldo
[17:51] <davmor2> will do even
[17:51] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:51] <ScottK> Oddly enough I edited out the extra 'l' without noticing.
[17:51] <davmor2> :)
[17:52] <davmor2> ScottK: that just means you've been on irc too long :)
[17:58] <davmor2> ScottK: On a plus note tab on hover seems to be working now so it must of just been a glitch
[17:58]  * Arby curses his lousy interwebs
[17:59] <Arby> 130k/s on a '8M' service
[17:59] <Arby> iso download may take a while
[18:02] <ScottK> davmor2: Great.  Appreciate all the testing.
[18:09] <smarter> okay, bespin/plasmoid-xbar built fine with libplasma3(took me sometimes because I had to fix a bug in sbuild to make sure it worked :P)
[18:10]  * smarter dputs
[18:18] <bdgraue> if i try to install an nvidia driver in jaunty, it will remove the complete xserver-xorg? any idea why? known problem? maybe a "feature"? :)
[18:25] <davmor2> should the taskbar cover the whole length of the desktop?
[18:26] <davmor2> on my all intel machine it's about 2 inches short
[18:26] <smarter> it's supposed to, yes
[18:26] <DaSkreech> davmor2: it doesn't have to if you don't want it to
[18:32] <davmor2> smarter: DaSkreech: this is what I mean http://www.davmor2.co.uk/kde-fresh.png
[18:33] <smarter> yup, by default it should take all the screen length
[18:33] <davmor2> that's a standard install but on the nv based driver desktop it goes all the way across
[18:34] <smarter> (also it's called a panel, the taskbar is only the part with the windows names :])
[18:34] <davmor2> smarter: I just go for the most obvious name I can remember at the time :)
[18:41] <Riddell> this page is pretty incomplete, what should be changed? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-beta-2
[18:42] <jtechidna> incomplete?
[18:42] <jtechidna> oh, the install instructions disappeared
[18:42] <jtechidna> :/
[18:44] <DaSkreech> jtechidna: Yeah :-P
[18:44] <jtechidna> meh
[18:45]  * ScottK grumbles about Alpha 2 release notes and where is jjesse ...
[18:45] <jtechidna> the install instructions got commented out :/
[18:46]  * smarter notes he's not even noted in the packagers :P
[18:47] <jtechidna> wha? I'm sure I added you
[18:47]  * jtechidna suspects tampering
[18:50] <jtechidna> fix'd
[18:50] <DaSkreech>  /topic
[18:50]  * jtechidna can't set the topic
[18:51] <DaSkreech> can a topic setter set the topic in #kubuntu
[18:52] <jpds> DaSkreech: Now you can.
[18:53] <smarter> jtechidna: still not in the credits, thought it doesn't really matter since I only did kdeedu
[18:53]  * smarter hopes he'll be able to do moar of rc1
[18:53] <jtechidna> smarter: just wait for the cache to update
[18:53]  * ScottK notes that the KDE 4.2 beta announcement mentions there's a quicklaunch plasmoid now.  Does that mean our plasmoid-quicklauncher package can die?
[18:54] <jtechidna> ScottK: I thought plasmoid-quicklauncher never made it out of revu
[18:54] <jtechidna> and yes, that is essentially the same plasmoid
[18:54] <ScottK> apt-cache rdepends libplasma2 ... plasmoid-quicklauncher
[18:55] <DaSkreech> Danke
[18:55] <jtechidna> oh, it got uploaded to jaunty
[18:55] <jtechidna> it can die
[18:55] <ScottK> Great.
[18:55] <DaSkreech> Wait quicklaunch is back?
[18:55] <DaSkreech> it was broken really badly in Beat 1
[18:55] <DaSkreech> Beta
[18:55] <jtechidna> yeah, quicklaunch got added in beta1
[18:56] <jtechidna> it was really crashy in beta1 though
[18:57] <jtechidna> much better in beta2
[18:57] <jtechidna> [13:56:43] <boom1992> aseigo: hey! I just noticed that beta2 was released ;) So, I wanted to ask about policykit-kde, what are we gonna do with it for now? I thought it was supposed to move in for beta2 (I'm one of the devs btw ;))
[18:58] <jtechidna> ^looks like we might not need a new package/MIR hassle for policykit-kde?
[18:58] <ScottK> Removal bug files.
[18:58] <ScottK> files/filed
[18:59] <smarter> okay, kepas builds and work, uploading
[18:59] <ScottK> Excellent.
[19:01] <davmor2> ScottK: when you removed amarok why didn't the favourite entry for it go too?
[19:02] <ScottK> davmor2: It's not removed from the archive, just temporarily off the CD.
[19:02] <ScottK> You can still sudo apt-get install amarok
[19:03] <DaSkreech> And anyone wanting reviews of KDE 4.2 Beta 2 can sit in #kubuntu and watch the wackiness proceed :0
[19:03] <davmor2> ScottK: but now you have an entry in favourites that doesn't link to anything and has a ? as an icon it just looks wrong, or is that just me being picky?
[19:03] <ScottK> Since it's a temporary change, I'll say you being picky.
[19:04] <ScottK> davmor2: Appreciate all the testing.
[19:04] <davmor2> :) Fair enough
[19:04] <ScottK> If we were close to release and it was going to stay this way, I'd agree with you.
[19:06] <ScottK> Down to 4 packages for libplasma3 transition ...
[19:06] <ScottK> plasmoid-system-status plasmoid-flickr plasmoid-am4rok kmldonkey
[19:08] <davmor2> ScottK: no contact either?
[19:08] <ScottK> plasmoid-system-status has a new upstream version too
[19:08] <ScottK> davmor2: ?
[19:08] <davmor2> ScottK: sorry is there no Kontact either?
[19:09] <ScottK> davmor2: No.  In the repos, not on CD
[19:09] <davmor2> np's then
[19:09]  * ScottK had to kill off about 50MB of stuff in one evening.
[19:09] <DaSkreech> Wait quicklaunch wasn't what I was thinking of wasn't there a plsmoid in 4.1 that gave you a listing of a dir you could fly through and open in dolphin ?
[19:09] <jtechidna> DaSkreech: QuickAccess
[19:10] <DaSkreech> Right thatone that got broken What happened to it?
[19:10] <jtechidna> ScottK: I can take am4rok, I think
[19:10] <ScottK> jtechidna: Great.
[19:10] <davmor2> ScottK: what are you doing about IRC client?
[19:10] <jtechidna> DaSkreech: I updated it for KDE 4.2 and put it in the ppa
[19:10] <ScottK> davmor2: Dunno yet.
[19:10] <davmor2> fair enough
[19:11] <DaSkreech> jtechidna: how do I get it?
[19:11] <jtechidna> sudo apt-get install plasmoid-quickaccess
[19:11] <ScottK> Also in the archive for Jaunty
[19:11] <jtechidna> assuming you have the kubuntu-experimental repo added
[19:11] <ScottK> jtechidna: I did sneak that back onto the CD last night.
[19:11] <jtechidna> cool
[19:12] <davmor2> ScottK: everything else seems to look okay haven't gone into each app much so I can carry on with the install tests
[19:12] <ScottK> davmor2: Great.  The main focus for ISO testing is installs and basic functionality.
[19:12] <ScottK> Install tests is what we need.
[19:12] <davmor2> I know I've been doing it for a while :)
[19:13] <ScottK> Cool
[19:14] <ScottK> Riddell normally handles begging for testers, so I don't know who normally does it.
[19:14] <davmor2> oem next lets see if that works
[19:14] <davmor2> ScottK: I normally test just about everything :)
[19:14] <ScottK> Great.  I'm glad someone is ...
[19:15]  * ScottK looks around at the rest of you ....
[19:15]  * Arby is 8min from the download finishing
[19:15] <ScottK> Excellent
[19:15] <ScottK> Arby: Which?
[19:15] <Arby> ScottK alternate i386
[19:16] <ScottK> Arby: Perfect.  We've had no testing of that yet.
[19:16] <Arby> I checked the iso tracker first :)
[19:17] <ScottK> plasmoid-system-status (including new upstream version) plasmoid-flickr kmldonkey still looking for someone to love them.
[19:17]  * ScottK AFK for a bit.
[19:17] <jtechidna> kmldonkey is extragear. Don't know if we want to take an upstream snapshot or not
[19:18] <ScottK> jtechidna: Maybe a rebuild is enough.
[19:18] <ScottK> OK.  Now afk.
[19:19]  * jtechidna testbuilds new plasmoid-am4rok
[19:21] <jtechidna> oh, upstream changed the name to "playwolf"
[19:23] <smarter> jtechidna: congrats! you just winned the right to go throught the procedure to change a source package name :P
[19:23] <jtechidna> actually it might as well be new software
[19:24] <jtechidna> the plasma-am4rok page says "this project is discontinued I rewrote this as PlayWolf"
[19:24] <jtechidna> could I still get away with renaming it?
[19:28]  * DaSkreech makes a cookie necklace for jtechidna. THanks I love this thing. Why is it broken upstream? is this committed in KDE svn ?
[19:29] <jtechidna> I'm guessing the author hasn't had time to port it to 4.2 yet
[19:29] <jtechidna> and I don't think it's in KDE's svn either
[19:30] <DaSkreech> well diff him and let him know it's really one of my favourite plasmoids
[19:30] <jtechidna> I found the patch in the comments of the project's page :P
[19:31] <jtechidna> on kde-look
[19:31] <jtechidna> Hmm, I will have to make a new package for playwolf, it has a lower version
[20:05] <ScottK> jtechidna: How about patch the current one then and then work on the new package once libplasma2 is dead an buried?
[20:06] <jtechidna> sounds good
[20:09] <rgreening> anyone know if kdevelop 4 will be ready/released in time for Jaunty?
[20:12] <Arby> hmm, clean install of alpha2 I get 2 update icons telling me there are software updates
[20:12] <Arby> once from adept, one from update notifier (I think)
[20:12] <Arby> is that supposed to happen?
[20:12] <rgreening> one from kpackagekit
[20:12] <Arby> fair enough
[20:12] <rgreening> I believe kpackagekit may be installed (can you verify)
[20:13]  * DaSkreech wants to play with kpackagekit
[20:13] <Arby> checking
[20:13] <ScottK> rgreening: As I understand it kdevelop 4 is pre-alpha and pretty much a complete rewrite.
[20:13] <ScottK> I'm guessing: No.
[20:14] <rgreening> Riddell was going to update update-notifier-kde I believe so it never showed the icon if kpackagekit was used (it has its own)
[20:15] <Arby> hmm, it seems it's not kpackagekit, it's complaining about incomplete language support
[20:15] <rgreening> oh... hmmm
[20:15] <Arby> didn't we have this with intrepid
[20:15] <Riddell> that's pretty common, it wants to install the gnome language pack
[20:15] <ScottK> plasmoid-quicklauncher is dead.  Yeah!
[20:16] <Arby> so I just ignore it?
[20:16] <Riddell> Arby: yes
[20:17] <rgreening> I wish there were decent/comprehensive KDE4 tutorials/books... :(
[20:18] <rgreening> for programming
[20:18] <jtechidna> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/88003/ Testbuilt and testran
[20:18] <rgreening> muddling through the apidocs is horrible
[20:18] <Arby> is amarok not included on the CD?
[20:18] <Riddell> waiting on amarok 2
[20:18] <Arby> ok
[20:19] <ScottK> rgreening: If your still working on your klamav killer, you might want to look at the logs for #ubuntu-devel about an hour and a half ago when Keybuck was drooling about fsnotify().
[20:20] <rgreening> klamav is moved way to back burner for now.
[20:20] <ScottK> OK
[20:21] <rgreening> Im trying to port the flash installer patch to kde4, and it's not turning out to be a very easy task.
[20:21] <ScottK> jussi01: Earlier today apachelogger asked in #quassel about how to patch in #kubuntu as a default channel.  He got a lot of very uncertain responses..
[20:21] <ScottK> Seemed to me not a question they'd considered before.
[20:22] <jussi01> ScottK: were either of the devs around at the time?
[20:22] <ScottK> I think so.
[20:22] <ScottK> Who are the devs?
[20:22] <ScottK> (checking my scrollback)
[20:22] <jussi01> Egs and Sput
[20:23] <ScottK> K
[20:23] <ScottK> jussi01: Yes.
[20:23] <jussi01> there are others, but they are the main 2
[20:24] <ScottK> It basically got a, "Hmmm, in theory maybe you could ...., but I'm not sure if we can do that" response
[20:25] <jussi01> ScottK: ok, I can try prod a better response if its somethign that could go somewhere
[20:26] <seele> has anyone started a poll for the next kubuntu meeting?
[20:26]  * seele looks at nixternal 
[20:26] <ScottK> jussi01: Dunno.  Need to see what kvirc-kde4 looks like first.
[20:26] <jjesse> i love it how we all look at nixternal whenever something needs to get done ;)
[20:26] <seele> hehe
[20:26] <ScottK> Hey.  It's jjesse.
[20:27] <ScottK> Speaking of stuff ....
[20:27]  * jjesse ducks
[20:27] <ScottK> jjesse: How are Alpha 2 release notes coming?
[20:27] <jjesse> ScottK: didn't get any chance to work on them and probablly won't get a chacne until staturday to do much of antyhing
[20:27] <jjesse> out of town with work and super crappy internet
[20:27] <ScottK> Urgy
[20:27] <jjesse> i know
[20:28] <jjesse> and still having computer issues
[20:28] <ScottK> nixternal: ^^ No release notes in progress.
[20:28]  * ScottK looks for a volunteer ...
[20:30]  * DaSkreech blames nixternal
[20:32] <davmor2> ScottK, Riddell: you might want to take a look at oem install on user install side of things.  White outlined cross on a black background again.  I don't know what was done to fix it in intrepid but it's back
[20:32] <ScottK> davmor2: Me neither.  Please file a bug if you haven't ....
[20:32] <ScottK> DaSkreech complained, so he can do it.
[20:33] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Release notes are really easy.
[20:33] <jussi01> ScottK: just fyi:
[20:33] <jussi01> [22:31:07] <Sput> for that feature, we'll have to wait a bit for EgS' big push, he'll move identities into the db
[20:33] <jussi01> [22:31:18] <Sput> then it should be possible to pre-init the db probably
[20:33] <DaSkreech> When did I complain? I don't even know what the release notes are for :)
[20:33] <ScottK> You were blaming nixternal
[20:33] <ScottK> For Kubuntu Jaunty Alpha 2.
[20:34] <DaSkreech> Oh That's a knee jerk reaction someone says nixternal I blame him for something
[20:34] <ScottK> Right and since you're from Chicago too by the community propery of Kubuntu work, you need to do it since he hasn't.
[20:34] <ScottK> propery/property
[20:35] <DaSkreech> When the hell? I've been in Chicago once to throw a snowball at nixternal and got snowed in the airport
[20:36] <DaSkreech> For which I blamed nixternal :)
[20:36] <ScottK> DaSkreech: OK, how about Illinois then?
[20:37] <DaSkreech> I'm barely in that hemisphere
[20:37] <ScottK> Odd.  Total misremebering on my part then.
[20:38] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Do it anyway?
[20:38] <DaSkreech> :-)
[20:38] <DaSkreech> I guess I have 1 hour 15 minutes
[20:38] <DaSkreech> Is there a listing of changes?
[20:38] <ScottK> DaSkreech: So you grab the last one off the wiki and update it for the new features/problems.
[20:44] <ScottK> DaSkreech: The major thing to mention is KDE4.2 Beta 2
[20:45] <DaSkreech> What are the new problems?
[20:45] <DaSkreech> Other than no amarok
[20:45] <ScottK> In the bad news department: Do not use the manual partioner on the Live CD as it will cause cute kittens to die.
[20:45] <ScottK> davmor2 can give details.
[20:46] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Aslo no Kmail or Kontact or Konversation on the CD (these and Amarok) are all available from the repositories though.
[20:46] <ScottK> DaSkreech: All but Konversation will be back once we put Kubuntu on a bit of a diet.
[20:46] <DaSkreech> Wow that's a lot of space saving When was the last time anyone spoke to Sho?
[20:47] <DaSkreech> What on the CD still uses KDE3 libs ?
[20:47] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Also worth a mention that the amarok in the repos is still Amarok 1.
[20:47] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Currently also k3b, but we expect that to change.
[20:47] <davmor2> yes if you have existing partitions you wish to use if you hit edit you can't do anything with it cause an apport report on ubiquity.  You can't format a partition either not sure about deleting though
[20:53] <ScottK> jtechidna: plasmoid-am4rok uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.  Where's your MOTU application?
[20:54] <jtechidna> I haven't started on it yet. I suppose I really should
[20:54] <Nightrose> yes you should!
[20:56] <davmor2> ScottK: bug 309482
[20:56] <ScottK> davmor2: Great
[21:00] <davmor2> ScottK: I'm hazarding a that the oem version on alternate will also die in the same place
[21:01] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Ok back Where are the release notes for alpha 1 ?
[21:01] <Arby> I can check that when I finish my current test
[21:01] <davmor2> s/a/a guess
[21:04] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Doesn't look like we had  any.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/Alpha5/Kubuntu is the most recent example I could find.
[21:27] <RoccoLord> Where is best place to report problems with kde 4.2 beta 2?
[21:28] <DaSkreech> !bugs
[21:29] <RoccoLord> Well I'm not sure it it's a packaging bug or upstream problem, but kopete crashes when connecting to msn.
[21:29] <RoccoLord> undef symbol
[21:37] <jtechidna> could you paste the error?
[21:37] <jtechidna> in pastebin of course :)
[21:39] <jtechidna> or not
[22:00] <DaSkreech> are we doing policykit in Jackalope ?
[22:04] <DaSkreech> ScottK: I guess no pretty pics ?
[22:09] <jtechidna> you could use my cube pics :P
[22:09] <jtechidna> stealing them from the KDE 42. release announcement is always an option
[22:10] <Arby> davmor2: curious, oem install seems to work ok on alternate
[22:10] <davmor2> Arby: I did I guessed :)
[22:11] <davmor2> Arby: are you testing in vm
[22:11] <DaSkreech> jtechidna: What ever :)
[22:11] <Arby> answered all the questions and started up no problem :)
[22:11] <Arby> davmor2: yes
[22:11]  * jtechidna steals from the kde announcements all the times
[22:11] <jtechidna> s/times/time
[22:11] <jtechidna> I do try to get some original pics from time to time though :P
[22:11] <DaSkreech> Is it CC licensed :-P
[22:12] <DaSkreech> What's the mindset behind using kpackagekit ?
[22:13] <DaSkreech> Other than it being packagekit
[22:13] <davmor2> Arby: I'm on hw here so that maybe the issue I'm doing an ubuntu alt oem install now so I'll soon know if it is oem fullstop or just kubuntu live
[22:13] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Not unless you can find someone to get them from.
[22:13] <jjesse> there was quite the discussion at UDS if i recall correctly
[22:13] <Arby> davmor2: ok
[22:13] <DaSkreech> I just need to know if I should be talking up packagekit or kpackagekit
[22:15] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Neither for Alpha2.  We're still using Adept.
[22:15] <DaSkreech> Booo
[22:15] <DaSkreech> So no packagekit is installed?
[22:17] <ScottK> Not AFAIK.
[22:18] <Arby> apt-cache show kpackagekit said not on my earlier test
[22:24] <DaSkreech> jtechidna: Using the Beta1 foto in the meantime
[22:24] <jjesse> sorry gusy that i can't get to it this time barely have internet access
[22:25] <ScottK> jjesse: You owe DaSkreech $BEVERAGE_OF_CHOICE next time you see him ...
[22:25] <jjesse> you are right i do
[22:27] <DaSkreech> Whoops that's the full foto not the thumbnail erk
[22:32] <DaSkreech> Was powerdevil installed in Ibex ?
[22:33] <jtechidna> definitely not by default
[22:33] <jtechidna> it's in universe though
[22:36] <DaSkreech> ok
[22:44] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Yes, we've dropped guidance-power-manager to Universe and have powerdevil by default now.
[22:44] <ScottK> Good catch
[22:45] <ScottK> Amazing I forgot that.  Guidance has been the bane of my existance for the last year.
[22:53] <DaSkreech> anyone wants to say anything about Wine by default ?
[22:53] <jjesse> is it actually been included by default?
[22:53] <jjesse> ik now there was some discussion on ubuntu-devel
[22:55] <DaSkreech> Yeah they are making a submission it be in Main and there are a list of changes that need to be done for it bo included of course they are all Gnome changes and once that's done it's advertised as ready
[23:01] <homunq> OK sorry to bother you here but I need expert help and I'm only going to ask this once. Please respond in pm if you can help me, I don't want to clog here. I am stuck in this konversation window. Can type and click here, can get to text-mode terminal, but can't switch windows. Seen this bug feisty, hardy, intrepid; kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu. Right now I'm in xubuntu (xfce). Looking for help using the terminal to diagnose. One person suggested it
[23:01] <homunq> could be stuck keys, best theory so far.
[23:19] <Arby> ok 4/6 tests completed on alternate i386
[23:19] <Arby> manual and expert still left if anyone has time
[23:19] <Arby> I have to go now
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