[00:01] <Wampyre> And that's ALL it says.  NO cross reference is given :(
[00:03] <BluesKaj> Wampyre, look in adept for version nvdia 100.14.19 or 1.0.9639, or 1.0.7185
[00:03] <BluesKaj> err nvidia
[00:06] <chills> hey guys i just installed it but i think it didnt work out right
[00:07] <chills> i tried to login it crashed
[00:07] <chills> how can i remove the kubuntu desktop package completly and reinstall it
[00:07] <chills> apt-get remove just deletes like 4kb
[00:09] <BluesKaj> chills, then it isn't installed
[00:09] <chills> BluesKaj, yea how do i remove it completely
[00:09] <Bou> read again
[00:10] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-desktop
[00:10] <chills> autoremove is working
[00:11] <chills> thanks now to install
[00:11] <chills> nah damn it again did the same thing.
[00:12] <BluesKaj> then you didn't install  it properly in the first place
[00:12] <chills> yea i know how do i remove it properly
[00:12] <isaacj87> So, what does everyone think of KDE 4.2 Beta 2?
[00:12] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: that wont work, you need the command from !puregnome
[00:12] <ActionParsnip> isaacj87: flakey
[00:13] <isaacj87> ActionParsnip: flakey? How so?
[00:13] <BluesKaj> chills , try this : sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop
[00:13] <chills> says 49k will be removed
[00:14] <isaacj87> BluesKaj: I've tried that before. It only removes the meta-package and doesn't catch all the other ones :(
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> isaacj87: just seems to chew ram and slow down lots, i switched back to kde 4.1 + fluxbox and had zero issues
[00:15] <BluesKaj> isaacj87, do you know how to remove it then ?
[00:15] <isaacj87> ActionParsnip: I've noticed that it's a little slower than KDE 4.2 Beta 1...Hmm, I thought it was my imagination
[00:15] <ActionParsnip> isaacj87: i have 512Mb free when running my normal apps, under kde 4.2 + amarok 2 i had 8Mb
[00:17] <isaacj87> BluesKaj: Apparently, this should do it...http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome.php
[00:17] <isaacj87> BluesKaj: It has to be done manually
[00:18] <BluesKaj> isaacj87, check this : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205002
[00:18] <chills> yea but mine breaks done cauz i dont have most of the packages installed
[00:19] <BluesKaj> chills  try to install it like this: sudo aptitude update&&sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[00:19] <chills> k doing it now.
[00:19] <chills> says done.
[00:20] <isaacj87> ActionParsnip: Hmm, my RAM usage isn't nearly as rough as yours, but Beta 2 does feel slightly clunkier than 4.1/beta 2
[00:20] <isaacj87> ActionParsnip: Beta 1*
[00:21] <BluesKaj> there's a few small graphics hitches with kde4.2 , but nothing serious ...konq crashes now and then but doesn't seem create any probs
[00:21] <BluesKaj> beta 2
[00:21] <isaacj87> BluesKaj: Ah, you noticed the konq crashes. I'm not too concerned about it...I'm sure the KDE devs will have everything worked out in time for release
[00:21] <ActionParsnip> isaacj87: im sticking to kde4.1 + fluxbox til its released
[00:23] <BluesKaj> isaacj87, and I'm running compiz/emerald as well , so I'm fairly happy with it so far
[00:23] <COMMODORE64> ha. finally.
[00:23] <COMMODORE64> ^^
[00:24] <isaacj87> BluesKaj: I've been meaning to switch back over to CF (it's solid as a rock), but I'm too caught up in the Bespin theme :P
[00:24] <isaacj87> BluesKaj: Gotta have my uniformity! So, I'm stuck using Kwin til someone makes a Bespin emerald
[00:25] <ActionParsnip> isaacj87: cf?
[00:25]  * BluesKaj checks out Bespin theme
[00:25] <isaacj87> ActionParsnip: Sorry, Compiz Fusion
[00:25] <ActionParsnip> yuk
[00:26] <isaacj87> BluesKaj: It's great. It's being developed by a former Oxygen style dev. It's fully configurable and really shows off what Qt4 can do.
[00:27] <BluesKaj> not real crazy about the look ...to each his own i guess :)
[00:27] <isaacj87> BluesKaj: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3147/3098231307_4ab9ee9bf2_o.png
[00:27] <isaacj87> BluesKaj: Definitely :) Gotta love linux
[00:28] <BluesKaj> isaacj87, yup, agreed
[00:34] <ActionParsnip> isaacj87: http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj93/andrew_woodhead666/desktop.jpg?t=1229560439
[00:34] <ActionParsnip> isaacj87: it is christmas after all
[00:34] <PSiL0> hey, which mozilla plugin do you guys use to view embedded videos in firefox?
[00:34] <PSiL0> mplayer?
[00:34] <PSiL0> kplayer?
[00:35] <PSiL0> vlc?
[00:35] <isaacj87> ActionParsnip: nice :)
[00:35] <ActionParsnip> isaacj87: fluxbox
[00:35] <ActionParsnip> PSiL0: mplayer here
[00:36] <PSiL0> yeah, it seems like that is the one that works the nicest... although, there are instances with screenflickering (w/ desktop effects on).  If I set the output to xv11 (I think), then I cannot resize the video simply by dragging the window
[00:37] <PSiL0> mozilla-vlc-plugin is a no go
[00:37] <adam> hi
[00:37] <Guest74214> just tetsing
[00:37] <Guest74214> Goodbye
[00:42] <ryan__> hello - is using ext3 filesystem safe? i bought a new Harddisk but after two weeks the drive cant be detected at times
[00:42] <ryan__> and when i give the drive a little shake i hear a 'tick' sound? is the drive still fine?
[00:43] <mister-tea> !ext3
[00:44] <mister-tea> you are not supposed to shake a hd
[00:44] <ryan__> its just mild shake
[00:44] <shprits> how to instal flash player on kubuntu?
[00:44] <mister-tea> at least not until the heads are locked
[00:44] <ActionParsnip> mister-tea: you can if its solid state ;)
[00:44] <mister-tea> true
[00:44] <BluesKaj> TVTime, BBL
[00:45] <mister-tea> shprits: what version kubuntu?
[00:45] <shprits> 6,10
[00:45] <ryan__> i may need to return the hdd to the store then
[00:45] <mister-tea> 6.10 ?
[00:45] <ryan__> it is still covered by the warranty
[00:45] <shprits> yep
[00:46] <mister-tea> do you mean 8.10?
[00:46] <ryan__> i also had a problem installing flash in kubuntu 8.10
[00:46] <shprits> im a windos user but just founded a linux cd and instaled it to see wtfck is linux
[00:47] <ryan__> what i did is i installed the firefox offered by mozilla
[00:47] <ryan__> and then the flash player
[00:47] <shprits> mister-tea: 6,10
[00:47] <ryan__> and it worked
[00:47] <mister-tea> I am on 8.04 and went to adobe downloaded the deb and installed via gdebi
[00:48] <shprits> in instalation guide is writed the same thing
[00:48] <shprits> but doesnt works
[00:48] <mister-tea> ryan__:  I'm not familier with the older versions
[00:48] <mister-tea> !flash
[00:49] <ryan__> im using 8.04 sorry not familiar with older versions too
[00:50] <mister-tea> I installed that way last night as I described above
[00:50] <shprits> so 8.04 is a good version?Ş)
[00:50] <mister-tea> are you trying to access you tube?
[00:50] <shprits> yep
[00:51] <shprits> but without a flash player its imposible
[00:51] <mister-tea> shprits: they are all good ...just some are still supported
[00:51] <shprits> what do you mean suported?
[00:52] <mister-tea> !6.10
[00:52] <mister-tea> !eol
[00:52] <ryan__> how can i check my hard disk 'health' ?
[00:52] <ryan__> like seeing bad sectors ..etc
[00:52] <mister-tea> memtest?
[00:53] <mister-tea> s/b a choice in the grub menu
[00:53] <shprits> where are you from?
[00:53] <mister-tea> me?
[00:54] <shprits> yeap
[00:54] <mister-tea> upstate NY
[00:54] <ryan__> are there anymore tools to check HD ?
[00:54] <mister-tea> I'm sure check in synaptic
[00:55] <shprits> new york? and whats the percent  of people using linux instead of windows ar macintosh?
[00:55] <mister-tea> idk
[00:55] <mister-tea> I'm not interested in what others have just in the performance that I have
[00:56] <ActionParsnip> ryan__: fsck
[00:56] <ryan__> tried that
[00:56] <ryan__> and it did fixed the problem
[00:56] <ActionParsnip> ryan__: or get the ultimatebootcd and you will be able to test the drive with the manufacturers tool
[00:57] <mister-tea> shprits: I got on linux when I was recovering from yet another windows crash
[00:58] <shprits> i heard that linux doesnt have problems like crash
[00:58] <ActionParsnip> shprits: all OSs can crash
[00:58] <mister-tea> thats why I'm stilll on it
[00:58] <ryan__> when i bought a new hard disk i installed linux immediately because i heard the ext3 filesystem doesnt mess up the hdd
[00:58] <ActionParsnip> shprits: its software
[00:58] <ryan__> unlike windows where it 'scatters the sectors'
[00:58] <shprits> but where am i from if 1 or 2 % of population thats using pc is using linux rest using windows
[00:58] <ryan__> is this true?
[00:59] <mister-tea> 90% of people use windows ... that doesn't make it good just popular
[01:00] <ryan__> what is popular is not always right
[01:00] <coppro> is there any way to make Firefox not use native widgets? form elements don't render correctly and look generally ugly with my Firefox theme
[01:01] <mister-tea> linux use is increasing unlike windows
[01:01] <ActionParsnip> ryan__: indeed
[01:01] <shprits> so how can i get a 8,04 version?
[01:01] <ActionParsnip> shprits: download the iso
[01:01] <mister-tea> !8.04
[01:01] <Berzerker> I'm having a problem with Nvidia settings: when I try to write the changes to the X Config file, it says it was unable to create a backup of the xorg.conf file
[01:02] <ActionParsnip> Berzerker: are you running kdesudo nvidia-settings
[01:02] <mister-tea> shprits: just download the iso burn a cd and install
[01:03] <shprits> mister-tea:  where from?
[01:03] <Berzerker> I assumed I had to run it with admin privs, just didn't know how, thanks
[01:03] <shprits> to download it?
[01:03] <mister-tea> did you see the link ubbottu posted?
[01:03] <Berzerker> ActionParsnip: Also, how do I get the wallpaper to appear on the second screen?
[01:04] <ryan__> dual monitor setting
[01:04] <shprits> now yes
[01:04] <mister-tea> k
[01:04] <ActionParsnip> !dualhead | Berzerker
[01:05] <geiseri> hrm... does ubuntu in general run on a i486 compatible CPU?  or is it i686 only
[01:05] <Berzerker> ActionParsnip: That doesn't really tel me anything
[01:05] <mister-tea> shprits: I don't reccomend an inexperienced user to go to 8.10 but it is available
[01:05] <ryan__> it runs on both
[01:05] <ActionParsnip> Berzerker: ive not used dual head, infact i have fewer heads than systems ;)
[01:06] <geiseri> your sure?  they dont have something like glibc compiled for i686 only
[01:06]  * mister-tea feels above his neck...
[01:06] <Berzerker> ActionParsnip: lol ok, I'm also having a problem with sound. how can I test it?
[01:07] <geiseri> ryan__: the reason i ask is because im on a 486 compatible processor with no FPU and i cannot get it to boot
[01:07] <ActionParsnip> Berzerker: lspci will show the sound device
[01:07] <ActionParsnip> Berzerker: websearch from there
[01:08] <igor> uia
[01:08] <igor> algum brasileiro ai
[01:08] <mister-tea> !br
[01:08] <igor> uiaa
[01:09] <igor> fui
[01:09] <shprits> mister-tea:  why dont you recomend 8,10?
[01:09] <mister-tea> it's new and not as stable yet
[01:10] <ryan__> yes - and i just hated the flashy kde 4
[01:10] <mister-tea> if you encounter a problem you will not likely know how to fix it
[01:10] <shprits> iasna
[01:10] <ImLiz> hello room, I want to install virtualbox in kubuntu but in the virtualbox downloads site, only ubuntu is listed, will that work??
[01:10] <saki> !wine
[01:10] <mister-tea> ?
[01:10] <ActionParsnip> ryan__: run kde4 with fluxbox, no more flashiness
[01:10] <shprits> mean understand
[01:11] <ActionParsnip>  ImLiz: its the same thing
[01:11] <ryan__> i dont plan to run kde 4 - more of like an old school guy
[01:11] <shprits> well the only thing i have to do is to instal 8,04 and to see what is so dificult in using linux
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> ImLiz: why not do: sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose
[01:12] <ryan__> ImLiz : virtualbox will work in kubuntu
[01:12] <ImLiz> ActionParsnip: Isn't ose the open source edition?
[01:12] <ryan__> the only problem in vb is the video graphics is just limited to 8mb
[01:12] <ActionParsnip> ImLiz: virtualbox is an open source project
[01:13] <ryan__> so you cant really play games like counterstrike :D
[01:14] <ImLiz> Oh good to know ryan :)
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> !info virtualbox-ose | ImLiz
[01:15] <ImLiz> ActionParsnip: yes but I mean there's the  option to download vb2.1.0 and then there's vb ose which it states thats  for companies and enterprises
[01:16] <ryan__> use the one in the repo
[01:16] <ryan__> its working fine
[01:16] <ImLiz> cool, will do then
[01:17] <ImLiz> Thanks for the info ActionParsnip and ryan :)
[01:17] <mister-tea> what are you trying to do
[01:17] <mister-tea> with vb
[01:19] <ImLiz> create an xp virtual machine
[01:19] <mister-tea> why not use wine?
[01:19] <ActionParsnip> mister-tea: nice
[01:19] <ryan__> for me i used vb to tests websites in fkcing IE
[01:19] <ImLiz> wine doesn't support everything
[01:20] <ryan__> i reallly , really really hate IE!
[01:20] <mister-tea> ryan__:  I have ie6 for linux
[01:20] <mister-tea> runs in wine
[01:20] <ryan__> the one withe the inverted e logo?
[01:20] <ImLiz> I don't use ie at all
[01:20] <shprits> whats the difference between ubuntu , kubuntu, edubuntu?
[01:20] <mister-tea> ImLiz:  true
[01:20] <ryan__> me neither -
[01:21] <ryan__> but majority of users are still blind
[01:21] <FM2n> whats upppppppppppppp
[01:21] <ryan__> theyre still in IE
[01:21] <mister-tea> I have to for tests on windows
[01:21] <ImLiz> I have lnteractive language cd's that dont run in kubuntu
[01:21] <FM2n> i finally got ubuntu installed
[01:21] <FM2n> and fully configured!
[01:21] <FM2n> yay
[01:21] <ActionParsnip> shprits: ubuntu uses gnome for desktop and metacity for window manager, kubuntu uses kde and kwin, edubuntu has a load of educational apps and uses gnome + metacity (afaik)
[01:21] <ActionParsnip> FM2n: wtg
[01:21] <ryan__> linus torvalds loves kde !
[01:21] <ryan__> :D
[01:22] <linux_> hum
[01:22] <ryan__> and indeed, kde is powerful and simple enough
[01:22] <mister-tea> shprits: ubuntu is gnome based kubuntu is kde based and edubuntu is for educators
[01:22]  * ActionParsnip loves kde but hates kwin
[01:23] <ActionParsnip> shprits: its essentially the same OS undrneath and you can install any apps from the other *buntus
[01:23] <mister-tea> thanks sved me typing
[01:23] <ActionParsnip> shprits: its just whats installed by default thats different
[01:24] <ActionParsnip> shprits: you can also run kde apps in gnome but you'll install the qt libs it needs
[01:24]  * mister-tea sees that zoom right over his head
[01:25] <ImLiz> glad that's clear, wasn't too sure on installing apps from the other buntus  :)
[01:27] <saki> ImLiz, it is all the same, just different base packages installed.
[01:27] <shprits> guys what do i have to instal after i instal a linux?
[01:27] <shprits> some drivers , programs?
[01:27] <dr_willis> shprits,   programs ?  depends on what you want to do...
[01:27] <dr_willis> video card drivesr, wireless drivers.. is about all the extras i do..
[01:27] <shprits> home use
[01:27] <shprits> music , video , games, internet
[01:27] <dr_willis> and 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' to grab flash/java and other bits
[01:28] <dr_willis> shprits,  so  your 'use' is ratehr vague and basically means 'everything' :)
[01:28] <ImLiz> Thanks to all again :)
[01:28] <shprits> dr_willis:  not programing
[01:28] <shprits> Ş)
[01:28] <saki> shprits, well, I'd install Amarok + codecs, vlc + codecs, and wine.
[01:29] <shprits> aaaaaaaaaaaa
[01:29] <shprits> ok
[01:29] <saki> If they're not already installed, but that is personal preference.
[01:31] <mister-tea> aramok should come with the install
[01:34] <mister-tea> ryan__: it's an e in a wine glass
[01:34] <ryan__> i've used that
[01:35] <ryan__> and it doest work quite well with gif, png et
[01:35] <ryan__> *etc
[01:35] <mister-tea> I use it to take my cert tests for windows
[01:35] <mister-tea> ironic huh?
[01:35] <faydriss> !kwin
[01:38] <COMMODORE64> anyway
[01:38] <COMMODORE64> Here i am
[01:38] <COMMODORE64> With this stupid iwlwifi thingy
[01:38] <ActionParsnip> mister-tea: i though it did.
[01:39] <mister-tea> did with mine
[01:39] <COMMODORE64> I runs 8.10 on dual booting with vista, and i installed kubuntu properly, and then next thing i tried to install the wireless socket file, it gave out error that it didnt like the version
[01:40] <mister-tea> ActionParsnip: when you said nice earlier was that real or sarcastic?
[01:40] <ActionParsnip> mister-tea: was a sincere praise for a good suggestion running wine instead of vm
[01:40] <mister-tea> kool thanks
[01:40] <ActionParsnip> COMMODORE64: socket file?
[01:41] <COMMODORE64> so i used tar xvf iwlwifi-4965-ucode-228.57.2.23.tgz from Documents, it expanded to a three files without any problem, and the next is I tried to use cp iwlwifi-4965-ucode-228.57.2.23 it gave out some weird error
[01:41] <COMMODORE64> it says it cannot process because i have a short files.
[01:41] <COMMODORE64> it's sorry it was backports
[01:41] <COMMODORE64> linux-backports-modules-intrepid-generic_2.6.27.9.13_i386.deb
[01:42] <COMMODORE64> i was reading 8.10 faq, and it says the kernel is having problem with intel wifi 4965AGN card.
[01:42] <COMMODORE64> by the way, that's for my laptop.
[01:42] <COMMODORE64> and beside, after i used the cp, i can't even use the make all and make install
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> COMMODORE64: I'd use ndiswrapper + xp32 OR xp64 driver until the bug is resolved
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProductID=2753&DwnldID=10315
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> ah
[01:46] <COMMODORE64> sorry ActionParsnip
[01:46] <COMMODORE64> I got disconnected, did you said something after i asked about the steps?
[01:47] <ActionParsnip> try: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProductID=2753&DwnldID=10315
[01:48] <ActionParsnip> COMMODORE64: or use ndiswrapper + xp driver matching you linux architecture
[01:50] <COMMODORE64> How can i do that, ActionParsnip?
[01:50] <ActionParsnip> !ndiswrapper | COMMODORE64
[01:50] <COMMODORE64> and about the architecture?
[01:50] <ryan__> if i replace my motherboard, will my linux installation still run?
[01:51] <ryan__> or do i need to reinstall linux?
[01:51] <mister-tea> linux is installed in the hd
[01:52] <COMMODORE64> .:20·48·02:. «ActionParsnip» COMMODORE64: or use ndiswrapper + xp driver matching you linux architecture < Thanks. I'll give it a try.
[01:52] <habkoer> virus in linux?help
[01:52] <mot_> any idea if there's msn support in kopete in kde 4.2 beta 2?
[01:53] <bobesponja> mot_: yes there is
[01:53] <mot_> is webcam support back as well?
[01:53] <ryan__> mister-tea : yes linux is installed on hd
[01:53] <ryan__> and i think im replacing my mobo
[01:53] <joh6nn> anyone know why my update notifier might have stopped running at login, and how i can get it back?
[01:53] <mister-tea> not the motherboard
[01:53] <ryan__> reinstall?
[01:54] <mister-tea> assuming your system is plug and play probably not
[01:55] <mister-tea> I have swapped hd with linux installed to different systems and they run
[01:55] <joh6nn> i've done that many times
[01:56] <joh6nn> occasionally need to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but that's it
[01:56] <mister-tea> they have always recognised the new mobo
[01:57] <ryan__> cool!
[01:57] <ryan__> thanks!
[02:00] <mot_> how can i tell what ports a program is listening on?
[02:00] <mot_> i'm not sure which ports to forward to msn webcam support in kopete in kde 4.2b2
[02:02] <ActionParsnip> mot_: netstat -a | grep <app name>
[02:11] <COMMODORE64> ActionParsnip, any idea if 8.10 is supporting the bluetooth atm?
[02:12] <ActionParsnip> yeah should be, sudo apt-get install kbluetooth
[02:13] <COMMODORE64> it's for Dell Truemobile 355
[02:13] <COMMODORE64> and i wasnt sure which one to get
[02:13] <mot_> hmm
[02:13] <COMMODORE64> which drivers i should get*
[02:13] <mot_> i don't think there's webcam support in msn in kopete in kde 4.2 beta 2
[02:13] <mot_> there's no icons or actions in the toolbars to send/receive webcam
[02:13] <COMMODORE64> o.o
[02:14] <mot_> anybody got any experience with this?
[02:14] <COMMODORE64> i'm running KDE 4.1
[02:14] <mot_> hmm
[02:15] <mister-tea> mot: ask again
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> COMMODORE64: kbluetooth is not working yet in 8.10
[02:17] <COMMODORE64> All right Jon, thank you/.
[02:17] <COMMODORE64> I will be back tonight with further driver questions
[02:19] <ActionParsnip> JontheEchidna: what is used now?
[02:24] <wastrel> hi
[02:24] <wastrel> i'm switching to kde4 right now
[02:26] <joh6nn> anyone know why my update notifier might have stopped running at login, and how i can get it back?
[02:26] <wastrel> is kubuntu-desktop kde4 now on intrepix
[02:27] <joh6nn> wastrel: ?
[02:27] <dr_willis>  8.10 uses kde4 yes.
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> ActionParsnip: the gnome client, or no bluetooth at all
[02:29] <ActionParsnip> wow seriously :(
[02:29] <ActionParsnip> LAAAAAAAAAAME
[02:34] <mattholly> just wondering if any one has used wiifrii on kubuntu 8.10 and had it work
[02:34] <joh6nn> don't even know what it is; sorry.
[02:35] <mattholly> damn cause the only distro i got it to work on is lin/freespire
[02:36] <mattholly> ok next question can i customize the task bars in ubunt to show everything in one bar at the botom?
[02:39] <snarkster> im having a hard time amarok-kde4 where has it moved to?
[02:40] <SilentDis> hello, looking for a simple bandwidth monitor for the CLI.  something to keep up on my lappy while i'm doing other stuff on my desktop (preferrably low bandwidth itself, i'll be running it over SSH)
[02:40] <wastrel> ntop
[02:40] <SilentDis> !info ntop
[02:41] <SilentDis> mmm, not looking for a browser module.  would prefer a simple CLI interface, but i can give that a try
[02:41] <wastrel> iptraf rather
[02:41] <wastrel> ntop yes web iface sorry
[02:41] <wastrel> iptraf is cli
[02:42] <SilentDis> !info iptraf
[02:42] <SilentDis> rock on, thanks!
[02:53] <matt_d> ey
[02:53] <matt_d> got a huge problem guys
[02:53] <matt_d> i installed grub 2 thourgh sudo apt-get install grub2
[02:53] <genii> !ask
[02:53] <matt_d> and it deleted grub (version 1)
[02:54] <matt_d> and now i cant boot into my kubuntu partition
[02:54] <matt_d> im ony my windows xp partition
[02:54] <matt_d> what cna i do
[02:54] <matt_d> grub menu opens up but kubuntu wont load, says its incorrect/unavailable or something
[02:54] <matt_d> only windows opens
[02:55] <genii> matt_d: Do you have a livecd around?
[02:55] <matt_d> no, sorry
[02:55] <joh6nn> i'd say supergrub disk
[02:56] <matt_d> i have the option to use the command line in the grub menu, i was thinking we could use that
[02:56] <joh6nn> matt_d: i'd say you'd be better off trying www.supergrubdisk.org
[02:56] <genii> matt_d: When it installed grub2 did it ask any questions of you like what disk to install to, etc?
[02:56] <matt_d> joh6nn: im actually not around any cds/dvds
[02:57] <joh6nn> ah.  :(
[02:57] <matt_d> genii: i dont think so, it asked something about my older menus.list
[02:57] <joh6nn> flash drive?
[02:57] <genii> matt_d: The problem is it's nearly impossible to fix linux bootloader problems from inside Windows
[02:58] <matt_d> joh6nn: i actually have my external hard disk here, its got a lot of stuff in it though
[02:58] <genii> matt_d: So something like grub bootdisk, or livecd or something is pretty much required
[02:58] <matt_d> genii: cant i enter kubuntu through the command line in grub
[02:58] <matt_d> ?
[02:59] <joh6nn> matt_d: you can try, but it can be difficult to navigate
[03:00] <matt_d> joh6nn: what do you mean? i meant something like enter a command line and kubuntu would load
[03:01] <genii> matt_d: If you did something like install grub bootloader onto a subpartition for instance, it will never load
[03:03] <joh6nn> matt_d: yeah, but the command you enter can be complicated
[03:08] <matt_d> joh6nn: how complicated
[03:08] <joh6nn> complicated enough that i'd rather use a livecd, given the choice
[03:09] <matt_d> joh6nn: since i dont have that livecd option right now
[03:09] <matt_d> joh6nn: how about i install a bootloader for windows
[03:09] <joh6nn> basically, what you're gonna have to try and do, with the aid of the "help" command, is figure out which command tells what you partitions are available
[03:09] <joh6nn> is there a windows partition on there?
[03:10] <matt_d> what do you mean
[03:10] <matt_d> yes
[03:10] <matt_d> im on windows right now
[03:10] <matt_d> my hd on this laptop is divided into kubuntu and windows xp
[03:11] <matt_d> actually
[03:11] <matt_d> its divided in 3
[03:11] <matt_d> windows xp, kubuntu and in 5gb i store these recovery files
[03:13] <joh6nn> oh, so it's dual boot; sorry, i thought you were on a different computer
[03:13] <joh6nn> installing the windows bootloader is unlikely to help
[03:13] <wikki> kubuntu!
[03:14] <matt_d> yup its a dual boot
[03:14] <matt_d> why is it unlikely to help?
[03:14] <matt_d> once i get to kubuntu i can install grub back
[03:14] <joh6nn> because if you managed to get into windows, then the windows bootloader is already working
[03:15] <joh6nn> and the windows bootloader, as far as i know, won't let you boot other OSes
[03:15] <wikki> is there a way to switch switch between kde and gnome?
[03:15] <wikki> i run regular ubuntu
[03:15] <matt_d> joh6nn: ok then
[03:15] <joh6nn> wikki: yes, you can install them side by side, and switch back and forth
[03:15] <wikki> how do you get kde installed?
[03:15] <joh6nn> wikki: just install kubuntu-desktop; that should install everything else you need, i think
[03:16] <wikki> then just log out and use the picker with gdm or somethign like that?
[03:16] <joh6nn> yep
[03:16] <joh6nn> matt_d: there's a help command in grub, which will tell you what commands are available, and what their syntax is
[03:16] <wikki> sounds easy enough
[03:16] <joh6nn> so if you go into grub, you can try and work out what you need to do
[03:16] <joh6nn> but it won't be easy
[03:16] <wikki> wonder how long this will take
[03:17] <wastrel> how do i set a keyboard shortcut to launch a terminal?
[03:17] <joh6nn> wikki: at a guess, 35 minutes
[03:17] <wikki> why 35 and not 30?
[03:17] <wikki> says 2 minutes to finish the download
[03:18] <rxscabin> hello
[03:18] <wikki> is kde pretty lean?  gnome seems to be getting bloated
[03:18] <jedix> neither is lean
[03:18] <rxscabin> simple question I have
[03:18] <jedix> but it's not bad.
[03:19] <joh6nn> wastrel: right-click on the K-Menu, go to Menu-Editor, and from there, find the terminal you want.  once you've found it, there should be an option available for key codes
[03:19] <joh6nn> wikki: meh.  it's so so.  if you want lean, you'll be more interested in say xfce
[03:19] <wikki> well I don't want that lean
[03:19] <joh6nn> clearly, i like it, or i wouldn't be here, but i'm not interested in lean.
[03:19] <joh6nn> i'm interested in robust
[03:20] <rxscabin> will kubuntu run on hp nx6325 laptop?
[03:20] <Psi-Jack> Okay, what's adduser -r / --system do? It's not mentioned in the manpage at all.
[03:20] <isaacj87> wikki: I agree with jedix, they feel about the same. I appreciate KDE's look, polish, feel, and integration over Gnome's.
[03:20] <joh6nn> rxscabin: best way to find out would be to download the CD and try it; you can test it first without having to install it
[03:20] <jedix> xfce, fluxbox..
[03:20] <rxscabin> thanks should of thought of that
[03:20] <rxscabin> bye
[03:20] <joh6nn> Psi-Jack: what're you trying to do?
[03:21] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: Add a server user/group account for resin.
[03:21] <wikki> I really just want to piss off my wife by making the computer look differnet again :)
[03:21] <isaacj87> joh6nn: probably should of mentioned that he needs the amd64 iso lol
[03:21] <wastrel> joh6nn: thanks yes there's an option there but it doesn't seem to work.
[03:21] <joh6nn> isaacj87: heh. if i'd known, i would have
[03:22] <wastrel> i set a shortcut but it's not doing anything.  do i have to relog or something?
[03:22] <isaacj87> joh6nn: meh, he'll find out soon enough ;)
[03:22] <joh6nn> isaacj87: not my job to know everything about every laptop. :/
[03:22] <isaacj87> joh6nn: what?! i thought it was! ;)
[03:22] <wikki> done!
[03:22] <Psi-Jack> So, what does adduser's -r / --system do?
[03:22] <matt_d> joh6nn: whats the help command?
[03:22] <wikki> that was quick
[03:22] <wikki> brb
[03:22] <joh6nn> matt_d: "help" . :)
[03:22] <jedix> amd64 will run i386
[03:23] <joh6nn> wikki: really? that fast? what's your connection speed?
[03:23] <keres> what is the syntax to backup a file?
[03:24] <Psi-Jack> cp -a ?
[03:24] <Psi-Jack> heh
[03:24] <joh6nn> Psi-Jack: as far as i can tell based on the man, adduser -r / --system would just fail
[03:24] <joh6nn> doesn't look like valid syntax to me
[03:25] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: adduser --help, shows it exists.
[03:25] <Psi-Jack> It's Ubuntu-specific.
[03:25] <joh6nn> Psi-Jack: doesn't show a -r ...
[03:25] <joh6nn> also, from what i can see, --system should be the first argument
[03:25] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: You using 8.10 or earlier?
[03:26] <Psi-Jack> -r, --system                  create a system account
[03:26] <joh6nn> 8.10
[03:26] <jedix> I see no -r in 8.10
[03:26] <jedix> --system is there
[03:26] <joh6nn> OHHHHHH
[03:26] <roxyta> que es to?
[03:26] <joh6nn> you're not saying "adduser -r / --system"
[03:26] <roxyta> hello?
[03:27] <joh6nn> you mean -r AKA --system
[03:27] <wikki> well that worked
[03:27] <Psi-Jack> No. It's -r -OR- --system ;)
[03:27] <wikki> what is the terminal program?
[03:27] <joh6nn> yeah, i gotcha
[03:27] <wikki> somehow I got gnometerm
[03:27] <Psi-Jack> heh
[03:27] <Psi-Jack> wikki: konsole for KDE
[03:27] <joh6nn> --system doesn't create a user directory in /home
[03:27] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: Aha! Perfect. Why the frack isn't this documented in the manpage? LOL
[03:27] <hpladds> Howto change the time format from 24 hr to AM PM in KDE 4.1?
[03:28] <joh6nn> Psi-Jack: you might want to check that if you can, but that'd be my expectation
[03:28] <Psi-Jack> hpladds: KDE Menu, System Settings, Regional settings.
[03:28] <wastrel> time and date, change the time format <3
[03:28] <wastrel> just finished doing thatn
[03:28] <wastrel> now i have to relog
[03:28] <roxyta> :3
[03:28] <roxyta> xd
[03:28] <roxyta> I AM CHILEAN
[03:28] <joh6nn> Psi-Jack: yeah, check out the options to --system: "[--no-create-home]"
[03:28] <wikki> this is going to take some getting used to
[03:29] <joh6nn> wikki: are you using 8.10?
[03:29] <wikki> yes
[03:29] <joh6nn> i wouldn't recommend trying to make the switch to KDE for the first time on 8.10
[03:29] <joh6nn> it's not fully stable
[03:29] <hpladds> Psi-Jack: Thanks, I kept looking under time & date
[03:29] <wikki> :)
[03:30] <isaacj87> Psi-Jack: Thanks, I was wondering where that went as well.
[03:30] <Psi-Jack> I find 8.10 VERY stable with KDE
[03:30] <wikki> liveing on the edge
[03:30] <isaacj87> Psi-Jack: Have you updated to KDE 4.2 Beta 2?
[03:30] <joh6nn> Psi-Jack: i crash fairly regularly. :/
[03:30] <Psi-Jack> isaacj87: Yeah. heh. I just installed Cuacho Resin Pro.
[03:30] <Psi-Jack> isaacj87: Hell no! That's not part of 8.10 official.
[03:30] <joh6nn> anyone know why my update notifier might have stopped running at login, and how i can get it back?
[03:30] <isaacj87> Psi-Jack: ?! It's even better than KDE 4.1
[03:30] <Psi-Jack> If you go unsupported, yes, obviously it will not be stable. ;)
[03:31] <roxyta> i am using 8.10
[03:31] <isaacj87> Psi-Jack: Running and lovin' it man
[03:31] <Psi-Jack> I won't ever do KDE beta again.
[03:31] <Psi-Jack> Keyword: Again
[03:32] <wikki> wow, amarok looks so pretty in kde
[03:32] <isaacj87> Psi-Jack: Burned badly huh?
[03:32] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: Do you know the nature of why it's crashing?
[03:32] <Psi-Jack> isaacj87: Yeah. :)
[03:32] <wikki> something doesn't seem right though
[03:32] <Psi-Jack> isaacj87: Kinda like why I will never go reiserfs again.
[03:32] <wikki> windows are jerky when i move them around
[03:32] <joh6nn> Psi-Jack: nope, no clue.  i know it's a kernel panic, but i don't know what causes it.
[03:32] <Psi-Jack> When the filesystem starts knawing on itself in front of you making files completely useless and you can't even delete them, there's a problem.
[03:32] <isaacj87> wikki: Do you have a Nvidia card?
[03:32] <wikki> no
[03:32] <joh6nn> i've been trying to narrow it down, but so far, no luck
[03:33] <wikki> intel
[03:33] <isaacj87> wikki: Strange. Which one?
[03:33] <wikki> 945 I think
[03:33] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: 32-bit or 64-bit?
[03:33] <isaacj87> wikki: Sorry, I don't see it up there, what version of KDE are you running?
[03:34] <wikki> 4.1
[03:34] <joh6nn> wikki: may need to turn the special effects off.  System Settings, Desktop
[03:34] <joh6nn> Psi-Jack: 32 bit on a dual-core laptop
[03:34] <Psi-Jack> Hmmmm. laptop..
[03:34] <joh6nn> so i think technically, i'm running 32 bit on a 64 bit processor, but i'm not sure if all dual-core chips are 64 bit, or just some
[03:34] <Psi-Jack> That can make a huge difference.
[03:35] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: You can't mix a 64bit and 32bit core together in the same CPU. ;)
[03:35] <wastrel> core duo are 32
[03:35] <wastrel> core 2 duo are 64
[03:35] <isaacj87> wikki: Yeah, you might have to try what joh6nn suggested. I have an intel i915, and I've tweaked the desktop effects a little. It runs fairly smoothly. Turn off direct rendering and adjust the Texture Filtering to "Nearest"
[03:35] <joh6nn> Psi-Jack: yeah, not what i meant
[03:36] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh
[03:36] <Psi-Jack> Yes, Now I see.
[03:36] <wikki> yeah, that seemed to help
[03:36] <wastrel> yeah 4.1 release is a resource hog in my intrepix
[03:36] <wikki> kde crashed when I made the chagnes
[03:36] <wikki> or atleast it logged me right out
[03:36] <wikki> :)
[03:36] <joh6nn> hehe
[03:36] <Psi-Jack> There were no dual-core 32bit CPUs.
[03:36] <wastrel> sluggish imma have to make some changes for it to be tolerable
[03:36] <isaacj87> wikki: Yeah, that happened to me too :P
[03:36] <Psi-Jack> They only had dual-CPU, full CPUs, 1 core.
[03:36] <joh6nn> wikki: like i said, maybe not the best release to try KDE on. :)
[03:37] <joh6nn> Psi-Jack: good to know.  that settles it then. i'm running 32 bit, on a 64 bit processor then.  for whatever difference that makes
[03:37] <Psi-Jack> I find 8.10 to be very well done.
[03:37] <isaacj87> So, we know that Psi-Jack isn't using Beta2, who here is?
[03:37] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: Intel or AMD?
[03:37] <wastrel> Psi-Jack: core duo are 32 bit  "Core
[03:37] <Psi-Jack> wastrel: core duo means 2 CPUs.
[03:38] <wastrel> The Core brand refers to Intel's 32-bit mobile dual-core x86 CPUs that derived from the Pentium M branded processors
[03:38] <wastrel> from wiki
[03:38] <Psi-Jack> hmmm
[03:38] <wikki> hmm, ipod won't eject
[03:38] <joh6nn> Psi-Jack: intel
[03:38] <at> hey everyone just installed Xubuntu on a dell m90 precision and having some problems with wireless card
[03:38] <isaacj87> at: What card is it?
[03:38] <wastrel> Psi-Jack: i just got bit on the ass by this prob at work :]
[03:38] <wastrel> so it's fresh in my mind
[03:38] <Psi-Jack> wastrel: Heh.
[03:39] <Psi-Jack> I'm still rubbing my eyes to wake my arse up again. ;)
[03:39] <at> i plugged it in to my router and didnt have a problem-- in the hardware drivers it found Broadcom STA wireless driver , i installed it, but it doesnt seem to be finding any wireless networks
[03:39] <keres> is there a risk when forcing a partition in fstab?
[03:39] <joh6nn> at: depending on what problem you've got, you might be better off in #xubuntu
[03:40] <keres> a risk that files may be corrupt or deleted?
[03:40] <joh6nn> keres: pretty much, when you force something, there's a risk. :/
[03:40] <at> ok thanks john
[03:40] <keres> joh6nn: how much?
[03:41] <Adola> Can someone help me with this?
[03:41] <keres> joh6nn: are you familiar with fstab?
[03:41] <Adola> http://www.mumbles-project.org/plugins/
[03:41] <joh6nn> depends.  what kind of file system, what kernel, etc. etc.
[03:41] <Adola> I'm scared to tackle it alone.
[03:41] <wikki> oh, that's weird, it unmounts the ipod, but the ipod doesn't notice
[03:41] <joh6nn> keres: a little.  wouldn't say i'm an expert
[03:41] <Adola> (I'm needing Kopete to work With AmaroK)
[03:41] <wikki> is that the way it normally works? anyone else got an ipod?
[03:41] <Psi-Jack> The one thing I am kinda annoyed about though is it almost seems like KDE doesn't like working fully with OSS properly.
[03:41] <keres> joh6nn: it's a non-OS ntfs HDD i use to back up files between linux installs
[03:41] <keres> with a bunch of real important data on it
[03:41] <isaacj87> Adola: Could you be more specific?
[03:41] <Psi-Jack> And I will never EVER use ALSA again if I can avoid it 100%
[03:42] <joh6nn> keres: why's it formatted ntfs?  got a windows install somewhere?
[03:42] <keres> joh6nn: i used it as a back up when i had a windows install, but the HDD itself doesn't have an OS installed
[03:42] <joh6nn> Psi-Jack: er; OSS is dead and unmaintained, isn't it?
[03:42] <Adola> isaacj87 : Yes, that site has a "Scripit" To make Kopete "talk" with AmaroK so I can send out my media info to my contacts.
[03:42] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: Wrong.
[03:42] <at> john i actually did mean kubuntu
[03:42] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: 4Front opensourced OSS4 after all this time. ;)
[03:43] <keres> joh6nn: and the guy who sent me a modified fstab set it as ntfs instead of what i set it as ntfs-3g
[03:43] <joh6nn> Psi-Jack: wow. did not know that.
[03:43] <snarkster> anyone in here a phonon guru?
[03:43] <wikki> ok time for bed
[03:43] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: Neither did I till I looked it up, cause I fracking hate ALSA. Always have.
[03:43] <wikki> this file manage is where it's at
[03:43] <snarkster> ive got a machine that will just not make sound with amarok and i think its phonon issue with the sound card.
[03:43] <Adola> Wait...I'm terribly sorry...That isn't for Kopete...
[03:43] <Adola> I'm osrry
[03:43] <joh6nn> keres: ntfs is what the kernel supports.  ntfs-3g is only available once you login as a user, as far as i know.
[03:44] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn:  There's a movement going on to bring OSS back to Linux. All this crap about various different sound architextures has gone far too far in the linux community.
[03:44] <joh6nn> so it wouldn't be valid in fstab
[03:44] <isaacj87> Adola: FYI, Kopete has something similar to that built in
[03:44] <joh6nn> Psi-Jack: i hear that.  but the problem is, OSS is YASS; how're we gonna convince the alsa developers to move to OSS?
[03:44] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: First, it was just oss, then hardware companies of CHEAP sound cards, mostly on-boards, started removing the hardware-level mixing support.. Suddenly esd and arts came out as two software-based sound mixers..
[03:44] <keres> joh6nn: whenever is set my syntax in fstab to '/dev/sdb1	/media/windows ntfs-3g    defaults 0       0'
[03:45] <keres> it won't let me access it
[03:45] <keres> it always says i don't have priveleges
[03:45] <isaacj87> Adola: Go into Kopete's main window (buddy list). Go to Settings->Configure->Plugins and turn on the "Now Playing" plugin
[03:45] <joh6nn> keres: right, because ntfs-3g would only be available once you login.  fstab gets loaded before then, so you can't set it as ntfs-3g
[03:45] <Adola> isaacj87 :  Yes, but, it doesn't work.
[03:45] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: Then came along, SDL with it's audio library layer, and libao with it's, and all these libraries coming out of the woodwork, and to add to it, ALSA comes out, so now SDL and libao, and esd and arts all have to add ALSA support... e
[03:46] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: See a bad trend there?
[03:46] <keres> joh6nn: what should i set it as?
[03:46] <joh6nn> keres: ntfs
[03:46] <keres> joh6nn: so my file system has little to with it not working if it is set to ntfs?
[03:46] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: The thing about OSS is, it's /more/ portable, and easy to develop for. That was it's purpose, and still is. ALSA is not portable to anything, at all.
[03:47] <joh6nn> Psi-Jack: i don't know much about it at all.  i just know i'm sick of there being a new sound system every 6 months
[03:47] <keres> joh6nn: should i just force it?
[03:47] <Psi-Jack> Oh yeah, like PulseAudio?
[03:47] <Psi-Jack> Which sucks worse than esound and arts combined? ;)
[03:47] <joh6nn> keres: no.
[03:47] <joh6nn> keres: i'm not sure what the problem you're having is, but no, don't force it
[03:47] <keres> joh6nn: should i pastebin my current fstab for you to look at?
[03:48] <isaacj87> Adola: Works for me here w/ amarok 2.0. What behavior are you looking for? Currently mine just shows what I'm listening to in the chat window.
[03:48] <keres> joh6nn: http://pastebin.com/m6a449115
[03:48] <keres> :)
[03:48] <Adola> isaacj87: I have, however, when I type "/media"  It says "I would tell you what I'm listening to, but ..."
[03:48] <joh6nn> keres: what happens when you try to use that fstab?
[03:48] <keres> it's a little sloppy. i commented out syntaxes that ended up not working, so only the uid one
[03:49] <keres> joh6nn: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2ev3xhg&s=5
[03:49] <keres> that is what happens :(
[03:49] <joh6nn> Psi-Jack: yeah, i wasn't impressed with anything about Pulse at all
[03:50] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: Yeah, I don't like my sound being distorted at all.
[03:50] <Adola> That's all I want.
[03:50] <Adola> Should I run it in terminal?
[03:50] <Psi-Jack> joh6nn: Especially only constantly. ;)
[03:50] <keres> joh6nn: even with 'sudo chown keres:keres /media/windows'
[03:51] <snarkster> no sound from amarok-kde4 but get video sound.. what am i missing?
[03:51] <joh6nn> keres: well, you can try forcing it, but i don't know if that will help.  i'd say that you should look into reformatting the drive as either fat or ext3
[03:51] <keres> joh6nn: it's vital that i not format it
[03:51] <epimeth> hi guys... does anyone have experience installing TOR
[03:51] <epimeth> ?
[03:52] <epimeth> specifically so that I can use it with IRC?
[03:52] <keres> snarkster: is the volume in amarok turned up?
[03:52] <snarkster> keres: yes it is..
[03:52] <snarkster> and Im not trying mp3 either just shoutcast stuf for right now
[03:52] <joh6nn> snarkster: and it's clearly playing? that is, the problem is that there's no sound, not that it's not playing at all?
[03:53] <keres> joh6nn: force worked. lmao.
[03:53] <snarkster> the bar runs full and the timer is counting..
[03:53] <keres> joh6nn: thanks regardless ;)
[03:53] <joh6nn> no problem
[03:54] <snarkster> laptop is a A22m Thinkpad with a pci 0x6003 "CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]
[03:54] <joh6nn> snarkster: 'd you have a hard time getting full audio support on that?
[03:54] <joh6nn> i had a tough time getting audio working right on my R61 here
[03:55] <snarkster> well i get sound from videos
[03:55] <snarkster> just not amarok
[03:55] <joh6nn> i ended up with a fairly strange audio setup; try checking your mixer and making sure that NOTHING is muted, and that all the volume settings are at least mid level
[03:55] <joh6nn> you may need to fiddle with it a bit
[03:55] <Soliloquial> I have a question of this makes any sense: why are my cursors during the login screen GNOME, even though i'm using kdm?
[03:56] <isaacj87> Adola: You may need to direct the plugin to use Amarok 2 specifically. I think I did that when I was using 4.1 (it does it automatically on 4.2 beta 2)
[03:56] <keres> Soliloquial: do you have both kdm and GNOME?
[03:56] <epimeth> hi guys... does anyone have experience installing TOR? specifically for use with konversation?
[03:56] <Adola> isaacj87: I have it set to "Amarok 2"
[03:56] <Soliloquial> keres: yse
[03:56] <szrhawaii> anyone know how to configure virtualbox for kubuntu 8.10
[03:56] <Soliloquial> yes*
[03:56] <isaacj87> Adola: Well, damn lol
[03:57] <epimeth> szrhawaii: yea
[03:57] <joh6nn> epimeth: it worked fine for me out of the box.  didn't use it with IRC, though
[03:57] <Adola> Yeah, I know.
[03:57] <keres> Soliloquial: that's probably why. i have both kde and gnome installed, i run mainly gnome but my cursor is kde-style
[03:57] <epimeth> szrhawaii: there's nothing to it... apt-get install virtualbox-ose and thats it
[03:57] <epimeth> joh6nn: so what, just apt-get install tor?
[03:57] <joh6nn> yes
[03:58] <epimeth> joh6nn: after adding the repos, of course
[03:58] <joh6nn> after that, you'd just have to point your irc client at localhost:####
[03:58] <snarkster> szrhawaii: virtualbox for 8.10 is easy peasey.. just install it and go
[03:58] <epimeth> joh6nn: and how do I set up ktorrent so it uses it?
[03:58] <joh6nn> same way; tell it use localhost:#### as a proxy
[03:59] <joh6nn> be aware that it'll move as slow as molasses that way
[03:59] <Soliloquial> keres, do you know if it's possible for me to use kde cursors in both the login screen and in the desktop?
[03:59] <snarkster> ktorrent is the same just install it and go
[03:59] <Psi-Jack> Oy.
[03:59] <epimeth> joh6nn: so I don't need to installprivoxy?
[03:59] <Psi-Jack> I wish ktorrent had RSS support, but that's only in the new beta.
[03:59] <joh6nn> epimeth: no idea; i've never used tor with ktorrent
[03:59] <joh6nn> never mattered to me
[04:00] <keres> Soliloquial: system->preferences->appearence->customize->pointers
[04:00] <joh6nn> anyone know why my update notifier might have stopped running at login, and how i can get it back?
[04:00] <keres> if anything, that should do it :)
[04:00] <epimeth> joh6nn: kay... thanks...
[04:01] <Soliloquial> my pointers are right once I'm logged in though...I will check the prefs though
[04:01] <COMMODORE64> how to delete the accounts from kopete?
[04:01] <joh6nn> Soliloquial: won't be in your prefs.  you'll need to find the script that's initializing kdm.  not sure what that is.  i know there's a kdmrc somewhere, but not sure how much that controls
[04:02] <joh6nn> possibly, you may need to hunt down the script that's initializing your x-server
[04:02] <isaacj87> COMMODORE64: Go to System->Configure->Accounts
[04:02] <isaacj87> COMMODORE64: sorry, I meant "Settings"
[04:02] <epimeth> joh6nn: so how do I start running it?
[04:02] <keres> Soliloquial: do you have gnome or kde as default session?
[04:02] <COMMODORE64> Thanks very much.,.
[04:02] <joh6nn> once it's installed, it should be running, and set to run at startup.  you have to point your apps to use it as a proxy.  like i said before.
[04:03] <joh6nn> i don't know which port off the top of my head, though
[04:03] <epimeth> joh6nn: where is it running?  what port?  what ip? 127.0.0.1?
[04:03] <epimeth> joh6nn: the instructions say to install privoxy....
[04:03] <Soliloquial> keres, kdm is the login manager, kde is the desktop environment
[04:03] <snarkster> AWESOME
[04:03] <Soliloquial> I just have gnome installed
[04:03]  * snarkster highfives COMMODORE64
[04:04] <joh6nn> epimeth: i'm just some guy here trying to get his own question answered.  sorry. :/
[04:04] <keres> Soliloquial: i'm not running on kde on this box atm, that was the how to do it for gnome. i'm sure it is in prefs tho
[04:04] <COMMODORE64> :P why is that? :P
[04:04] <snarkster> Im jamming to slay radio right now
[04:04] <Soliloquial> keres, pointers are in prefs, but they only control kde once logged in
[04:04] <epimeth> joh6nn: okay :-)    what's your question, btw?
[04:04] <joh6nn> snarkster: cool. what got it?
[04:05] <joh6nn> epimeth: my update notifier stopped running at login.  i can start it manually, but i can't get it to be persistent
[04:05] <COMMODORE64> hmm.
[04:05] <snarkster> no im listening to slay radio on my computer, not the one with sound problems
[04:06] <COMMODORE64> suppose i have fast wirelesss network, the plenty of lags is a sign of bad driver?
[04:06] <joh6nn> snarkster: ah.  :(
[04:07] <snarkster> yah still no sound on the A22m
[04:09] <joh6nn> well, i'm out.  good luck, everyone
[04:09] <epimeth> joh6nn: you can add it to ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:16] <Psi-Jack> Curious.
[04:16] <Psi-Jack> Does Kmail support IMAP IDLE?
[04:20] <hpladds> Any one using KDE 4.1 with a GeForce FX52000 video card -- driver suggestion? Please.
[04:22] <snarkster> still cant get any sound from amarok
[04:26] <snarkster> how does one configure this card correctly pci 0x6003 "CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]
[04:26] <snarkster> !sound
[04:26] <Salane> SUp here?
[04:28] <Salane> Is no one here?
[04:29] <epimeth> !ask
[04:30] <epimeth> so anybody know how to configure to?
[04:30] <snarkster> configure what?
[04:31] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[04:31] <Psi-Jack> Okay, curious now.
[04:31] <Psi-Jack> The KDE Menu Favorites. How do I organize those how /I/ want them to be organized?
[04:32] <Psi-Jack> I can't drag and drop them in the order I want, so there's gotta be another way besides removing them all and re-adding them in the order I want.
[04:32] <epimeth> so anybody know how to configure tor?
[04:34] <COMMODORE64> Hmm.
[04:34] <COMMODORE64> I quit konversation and then the next thing i know is that the ndiswrapper installation failed?
[04:34] <COMMODORE64> Anyone can help me?
[04:35] <Adola> Hello.  I need some help please.
[04:36] <Adola> I've gotten some hlep.  BUt, I need more.  I'm having trouble with Knotify involving Kopete and AmaroK 2
[04:36] <epimeth> !ask | Adola
[04:36] <COMMODORE64> epimeth, can i paste the log here?
[04:36] <genii> !pastebin | COMMODORE64
[04:37] <COMMODORE64> ty!
[04:37] <epimeth> Psi-Jack: right click on the K and click "Menu Editor"
[04:38] <COMMODORE64> http://paste.ubuntu.com/87533/
[04:38] <Psi-Jack> epimeth: Favorites is not in the Menu Editor.
[04:38] <szrhawaii> my su- in terminal is saying that the authentication is a failure
[04:38] <szrhawaii> how do i get in i know i put the right password or is it different
[04:39] <genii> szrhawaii: Do not use su
[04:39] <szrhawaii> what is the command for super user in kde 8.10 intrepid
[04:39] <szrhawaii> what is the command then
[04:39] <epimeth> Psi-Jack: oh, didn't notice you said "favorites" .... I have no idea mate
[04:39] <COMMODORE64> sudo?
[04:39] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[04:39] <szrhawaii> its not allowing me to edit in a root state and i need that
[04:39] <epimeth> szrhawaii: you can't use su be default.  use sudo
[04:39] <COMMODORE64> thought so.
[04:39] <szrhawaii> ok let me try
[04:39] <epimeth> szrhawaii: try sudo -i or sudo -s
[04:40] <szrhawaii> ok
[04:40] <genii> szrhawaii: And there is no root password. Use sudo <commandname>       or else interactive sudo with : sudo -i      then afterward exit
[04:40] <COMMODORE64> and epimeth, did you take a look at my pastebin?
[04:40] <szrhawaii> ok
[04:41] <genii> szrhawaii: Also keep in mind do not use sudo to run graphical apps, use instead  kdesu or kdesudo  for this
[04:41] <epimeth> COMMODORE64: do you need ndiswrapper?  maybe fwcutter is enough?  I really don't have much experience with either except for installing my own driver
[04:42] <COMMODORE64> I was told to use ndiswrapper so i can use the XP driver.
[04:42] <Adola> So, Knotify help anyone?
[04:42] <Adola> Please?
[04:42] <szrhawaii> im having a hard time with 8.10 with editing root things through dolphin properly like i used to in 3.5 is there a plug in to add the feature that i used to have in 3.5 dolphin that allowed the option to edit as root and to extract and all that on the right hand side as a side bar
[04:42] <epimeth> !ask | Adola
[04:42] <epimeth> Adola: thats the second time
[04:42] <Adola> Ok, epimeth,.
[04:42] <Adola> I wasn't asking to ask.
[04:42] <Adola> I was asking for hlep.
[04:43] <Adola> For a second time.
[04:43] <Adola> I heard YOU the first time.
[04:43] <epimeth> Adola: what is the QUESTION
[04:43] <Adola> I have issues with Kopete and AmaroK involving kNotify
[04:43] <epimeth> Adola: what are the issues, specifically?
[04:43] <Adola> I'm not too sure of them.  I just know that Kopete can't ask AmarOK what i'm listening to because Knotify
[04:44] <wangjie> hello ,
[04:44] <szrhawaii> how come i dont have the options in terminal to pick the different shells in my option settings
[04:46] <Adola> QSqlQuery::prepare: database not open
[04:46] <zetheroo> ﻿how do I know if lircd is running or not?
[04:46] <Adola> This is the error I get from terminal when I type "/media" in Kopete
[04:47] <genii> szrhawaii: man chsh
[04:49] <epimeth> Adola: sorry dude... I don't have a clue
[04:49] <szrhawaii> what is that for genii
[04:49] <Adola> Hrm.  Ok.
[04:49] <epimeth> COMMODORE64: have you tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[04:50] <szrhawaii> is that for the konsole or dolphin
[04:50] <genii> szrhawaii: chsh   is the terminal command to change your default shell. From bash for instance to something like csh
[04:50] <Adola> can I look at what's being used by knotify?
[04:51] <genii> Or whatever you prefer. But I suggest to read the manual page for it to know it's usage. Hence I told you:  man chsh
[04:51] <COMMODORE64> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Intel_4965_AGN_WiFi_Driver/Fiesty
[04:51] <COMMODORE64> this is what i uses
[04:51] <szrhawaii> what is root
[04:51] <szrhawaii> is that csh
[04:52] <szrhawaii> csh doesnt work
[04:52] <epimeth> szrhawaii: "root" is the superuser.  it has access to all of the files in your system
[04:53] <szrhawaii> what is the one for root after i get into that
[04:53] <genii> szrhawaii: What exactly are you trying to change about your terminal again?
[04:53] <cxo> 8.10amd64, installed ati driver, blank screen after boot messages, no go
[04:53] <szrhawaii> to have the settings available or just to know the codes
[04:53] <genii> szrhawaii: We are not going to assist you readily in obtaining root on ubuntu since it's designed NOT to use root
[04:53] <szrhawaii> i only need root and bash so those are the only ones i need to know
[04:53] <cxo> (and running amd64 and a hd4870)
[04:54] <szrhawaii> ok
[04:54] <szrhawaii> do you remember the feature on dolphin that allowed you to edit as root if you right clicked on the files why is that not available on this dolphin for 8.10
[04:56] <genii> szrhawaii: kdesu dolphin
[04:57] <wangjie_> i don't know
[04:57] <wangjie_> sorry
[04:57] <szrhawaii> well when i do kdesudo dolphin it didnt allow me to actually manipulate the file like i wanted too
[04:58] <szrhawaii> everything just runs in kate but i want to have the file run and it wont run
[04:58] <szrhawaii> like an install or an uninstall shell
[04:58] <snarkster> chmod a+x filename
[04:59] <snarkster> then do ./filename to run it
[04:59] <snarkster> its a script
[04:59] <snarkster> can phonon be removed from the system and someting else be used?
[05:00] <snarkster> if i can get sound from videos but not amarok then something gotta be broken somewhere
[05:03] <genii> @time Toronto
[05:04] <genii> Well, bedtime here. I'll be /away
[05:04] <mngoldeneagle> Hey... umm... for some reason, Adept thinks I'm using KDE 3.5 and is using Hardy Helon repositories even though I installed KDE 4.0 (Intrepid).  Any ideas why?
[05:04] <Adola> @time Irvine
[05:05] <Adola> @time Richmond
[05:05] <Adola> @time Lexington
[05:06] <mngoldeneagle> Anyone?
[05:07] <mngoldeneagle> Heron?  Intrepid?
[05:08] <epimeth> mngoldeneagle: what is the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[05:08] <werdnum> mngoldeneagle: sudo sed --in-place -e 's/hardy/intrepid/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:09] <epimeth> mngoldeneagle: also, are there any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and what are their contents?
[05:10] <snarkster> szrhawaii: goto kde-apps and look for right click context menu stuff for edit as root and run as root
[05:11] <snarkster> @time Phoenix
[05:11] <snarkster> nice!
[05:11] <mngoldeneagle> epimeth: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ is empty...
[05:12] <epimeth> mngoldeneagle: did you do what werdnum told you?
[05:12] <snarkster> good night
[05:12] <White_Pelican> is 4.2 beta available for intrepid?
[05:12] <mngoldeneagle> epimeth & werdnum: Yeah... let me see if that did anything...
[05:13] <epimeth> mngoldeneagle: now run sudo apt-get update
[05:15] <mngoldeneagle> epimeth: Hrmm... well, I get all the intrepid releases now, although they're listed as third-party.  Is there an update to Adept to KDE 4.0/4.1 that I'm not seeing?
[05:18] <mngoldeneagle> epimeth: I have Adept Manager 2.1 Cruiser (Using KDE 3.5.1) installed currently... not sure how it got there.  I did have to reinstall Adept at one point, but I don't understand why I'm stuck with this version.
[05:20] <COMMODORE64> so.
[05:20] <COMMODORE64> if i have the error during the make install
[05:20] <COMMODORE64> that would mean the corrupted files?
[05:20] <COMMODORE64> inside ndiswrapper?
[05:23] <epimeth> mngoldeneagle: I really don't know dude.... I didn't have a problem with the upgrade myself.  Have you considered just downloading the iso and resinstalling from scratch
[05:25] <mngoldeneagle> epimeth: Egh... not exactly, no.  Well, if you're using KDE4+, do you have adept-batch or adept-common installed?  If you do, what versions are they?  The only version I can see is 2.1.3.
[05:28] <COMMODORE64> epimeth thanks for the link
[05:28] <COMMODORE64> i didnt noticed the ndiswrapper 1.53 was the newer than the 1.43.
[05:28] <epimeth> COMMODORE64: did it work?
[05:30] <epimeth> mngoldeneagle: I think I have 3 installed
[05:31] <COMMODORE64> no i'm going to try it out.
[05:31] <COMMODORE64> i just printed the isntructions you gave me.
[05:31] <COMMODORE64> They might be the same, but different way
[05:31] <COMMODORE64> hopefully ill be back on konversation this time
[05:37] <preston> there apparently is a bug in kde 4.1 which keeps all the power saving monitor things from kicking in completely shutting the monitior off anyone have any work arounds or suggestions?
[05:40] <preston> anyone else have this problem or is it just me?
[05:45] <preston> anyone around at all?
[05:45] <oobe> yes i am
[05:52] <_2> !bug
[05:54] <preston> already been filed, what i was wondering was, had anyone discovered a workaround or maybe a useful tip in fixing it
[05:55] <hadez2000> guys, can anyone tell me how to make zte zxdsl 852 usb adsl modem work on kubuntu?
[05:56] <epimeth> hadez2000: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=kubuntu+zte+zxdsl+852+usb+adsl+modem
[05:57] <hadez2000> thanks i'll try this one !
[05:57] <epimeth> no worries
[05:58] <Anna--> when i tried connecting my vista using vnc to my kubuntu computer, it connects properly, but there's major lag and the colors are all messed up
[05:58] <hadez2000> the tutorial is in french. how can i translate that in to english?
[05:59] <Anna--> http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7601/helpah5.jpg
[05:59] <Anna--> looks like that, how do i fix it?
[06:02] <epimeth> hadez2000: google has a translating service... I dunno how to access it
[06:09] <hadez2000> thanks guys ! i've translated it.
[06:09] <epimeth> hadez2000: guys? :-p
[06:10] <hadez2000> ha ha.....
[06:13] <szrhawaii> is there a faster way to get the repo ppa for virtualbox guest additions for kde 8.10
[06:13] <szrhawaii> or is there no repo for that
[06:13] <epimeth> ppa?
[06:18] <Anna``> has anyone gotten the remote sharing working?
[06:22] <szrhawaii> nevermind figured it out i have to download a iso for it or its a no go
[06:35] <SC0RP> утро всем
[06:41] <Mamarok> !ru | SC0RP
[06:48] <SC0RP> Mamarok: это зачем мне такое счастие? :)
[07:13] <Bouib> hello
[07:13] <lninjox> yo
[07:14] <lninjox> where u from
[07:14] <Bouib> france
[07:14] <Bouib> and you
[07:14] <lninjox> nice
[07:14] <lninjox> california
[07:14] <Bouib> the french town
[07:14] <Bouib> lol
[07:15] <lninjox> you like computers
[07:15] <Bouib> yes
[07:15] <Bouib> of course
[07:15] <lninjox> me too
[07:15] <Bouib> its the first time i run ubuntu well
[07:16] <lninjox> what do you think
[07:16] <Bouib> very better than next time
[07:16] <Bouib> only install X386 and nothing to do more
[07:17] <lninjox> did you do compiz
[07:17] <Bouib> i was past year searching 3 weeks for wiffi radar & ndiswrapper
[07:17] <Bouib> not yet
[07:17] <Bouib> is it like beryl
[07:17] <Bouib> ?
[07:17] <lninjox> i went a year with no sound
[07:17] <Bouib> mdr
[07:18] <lninjox> yea it is it took me while to upgrade but glad i did compiz is way more stable
[07:18] <Bouib> erf french contraction ( mort de rire : dying of laugh )
[07:18] <lninjox> lol
[07:18] <Bouib> what is compiz exactly
[07:19] <lninjox> its desktops effect hold up
[07:19] <britishben> it's a different window manager.
[07:20] <Bouib> hmhm like beryl so
[07:20] <lninjox> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJIRF8-9Xfc
[07:20] <lninjox> check out my desktop
[07:20] <lninjox> i am proud
[07:20] <lninjox> a lot of long nites learning linux
[07:21] <lninjox> what ya think?
[07:21] <britishben> looks nice... what's the consumption like though?
[07:21] <lninjox> 440 mb out of 4000 then
[07:22] <lninjox> 64 bit dual core
[07:22] <britishben> not too shabby :o)
[07:22] <lninjox> thanks
[07:23] <lninjox> any programmer out there
[07:24] <britishben> programmer of what?
[07:24] <lninjox> any one knows any thing about running a virutal machine
[07:24] <tictric> http://pastebin.ca/1288411
[07:24] <lninjox> computers
[07:25] <tictric> printing does not work from apps since yesterday after upgrade
[07:28] <Bouib> lninjox: got same config amd64 dual core
[07:28] <lninjox> sweet
[07:28] <Bouib> i ve heard that exist some problem with ubuntu 64
[07:29] <Bouib> what do you think about it
[07:29] <lninjox> idk no problems here
[07:29] <Bouib> :))
[07:29] <Bouib> ouf
[07:29] <Bouib> cool
[07:29] <lninjox> you having problems
[07:29] <Bouib> not yet
[07:29] <Bouib> just
[07:29] <Bouib> in thing
[07:30] <Bouib> on your link cant have good adobe flash player wich is for X386
[07:31] <lninjox> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRJOt4LXfKg
[07:31] <lninjox> flash works
[07:34] <Bouib> erf
[07:34] <Bouib> cant succed
[07:41] <lninjox> did you try install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:42] <lninjox> and enabling unsupported sources in software sources
[07:42] <lninjox> just a thought
[07:42] <lninjox>  no expert by any means
[08:03] <bentob0x> I'm getting an update to 4.1.85, is it possible?
[08:04] <britishben> KDE 4.2 beta 2
[08:04] <britishben> it's out today for us :o)
[08:07] <szrhawaii> what is the command for the build essentials in terminal
[08:07] <szrhawaii> i thought it was sudo build essentials
[08:07] <szrhawaii> but its not
[08:07] <Bouib> erf cant reach compiz,
[08:08] <Bouib> hello szrhawaii
[08:08] <szrhawaii> anyone know the right way to write the build essentials part
[08:08] <szrhawaii> hello
[08:08] <szrhawaii> you having trouble with compiz
[08:08] <NightDragon> hello?
[08:08] <szrhawaii> hello
[08:08] <Bouib> i am french do not understand essentials part sorry
[08:08] <Bouib> hello NightDragon
[08:09] <szrhawaii> its ok
[08:09] <NightDragon> hello, do any of you know anything at all about mySQL
[08:09] <szrhawaii> nope not here
[08:10] <Bouib> no sorry
[08:11] <britishben> szrhawaii: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[08:12] <szrhawaii> thanks
[08:12] <britishben> not a problem :o)
[08:12] <Bouib> britishben:
[08:12] <Bouib> i have a problem to find compiz
[08:13] <Bouib> :))
[08:16] <britishben> I think it's just sudo apt-get install compiz compiz-kde
[08:16] <britishben> and then it pulls in extra stuff to meet dependencies.
[08:16] <bentob0x> ok so I was saying: is it normal that I got the update to 4.1.85 this morning?
[08:17] <britishben> bentob0x: Yes, if you have the experimental repositories.
[08:17] <bentob0x> with no official announcements etc?
[08:17] <bentob0x> ah ok
[08:17] <britishben> They haven't announced it, but it's a packaged version of the second beta of 4.2
[08:18] <britishben> Bouib: sudo apt-get install  compiz compizconfig-settings-manager  compiz-kde compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra  emerald librsvg2-common
[08:18] <britishben> from here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[08:19] <Bouib> thanks a lot
[08:19] <Bouib>  ! ! ! ! !
[08:19] <britishben> no problem :o)
[08:33] <xethx> Hello all
[08:33] <xethx> Anyone home?
[08:34] <britishben> a few of us, we're quiet though.
[08:36] <xethx> Could someone tell me about how long ushare should take to build a library of about 4000 songs?
[08:36] <xethx> sorry, metadata list
[08:36] <szrhawaii> #virtualbox
[08:38] <xethx> is that were I should go?
[08:38] <xethx> nevermind
[08:38] <xethx> -_-
[08:41] <zzq> cool
[08:47] <Viking667> hey there. Got a quick question about amarok - how do I get Amarok 2? I seem to only see Amarok 1.4 here.
[08:47] <Viking667> (I think)
[08:49] <kamerigo> hello kubunters...
[08:49] <britishben> Viking667: I think it's only on the experimental repository
[08:49] <britishben> Hi kamerigo
[08:49] <Viking667> ah.
[08:50] <Viking667> so I'd uhm, have to enable that repository?
[08:50] <kamerigo> i'm in a Mixed Lan in which I have 2 Kubuntu 8.10, 1 Kubuntu 7, 1 Xp Home, 3 Xp Pro
[08:50] <britishben> yep, I'd think so.
[08:51] <zorael> Morning. Is 4.1.85 4.2b2?
[08:51] <britishben> yes sir.
[08:52] <britishben> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[08:52] <zorael> Awesome, thanks~
[08:52] <kamerigo> Untill Now i have excanged information passing by XP Home PC (It is seen and I can share information and file from anywhere to it)
[08:52] <zorael> Yep, aptitude working as we speak. ;3
[08:53] <Viking667> ... or should I actually wait until amarok2 gets into the main repo?
[08:53] <Viking667> (the wife isn't technical at all, and I know my way around a commandline)
[08:53] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
[08:53] <Psi-Jack> Well, THIS is annoying..
[08:53] <kamerigo> But Xp Home is the only PC that I can see from kubuntu.... I want to see also the kubuntu PCS... what is wrong?
[08:54] <Psi-Jack> Amarok, or KDE.. Seems to see my multimedia key for "Stop", as LowerVolume, instead of stop.
[08:54] <kamerigo> REsuming...
[08:55] <kamerigo> i'm in a Mixed Lan in which I have 2 Kubuntu 8.10, 1 Kubuntu 7, 1 Xp Home, 3 Xp Pro. Untill Now i have excanged information passing by XP Home PC (It is seen and I can share information and file from anywhere to it)But Xp Home is the only PC that I can see from kubuntu.... I want to see also the kubuntu PCS... what is wrong?
[08:56] <zorael> kamerigo: "See"?
[08:57] <zorael> kamerigo: Try entering 'smbtree' in a terminal (and just enter a blank password); are your other computers listed there?
[08:58] <awad> hi there .. who i can change the screen resoultion ??? please !
[08:58] <britishben> awad, it'll be inside your control center, under "Display"
[08:58] <Psi-Jack> My "Stop" key worked in Gnome, no problems, but KDE's changing xkb which makes Stop be XF86AudioVolumeDown instead
[08:59] <zorael> kamerigo: Per default your Kubuntu boxes can't resolve WINS hostnames ("computer names") into ip adresses, so if you translate "see" into "being able to ping the hostname", then you'd have to make some minor modifications to get that to work
[08:59] <awad> where is the conrol center please ?
[08:59] <zorael> kamerigo: You'll also want to make sure everyone's in the same workgroup.
[08:59] <awad> i can't find it :)
[09:00] <kamerigo> zorael: Sorry ... i was busy a moment.... I'm going to try
[09:02] <kamerigo> zorael: smbtree ... (blank password) ... give me no result
[09:02] <zorael> kamerigo: Can you ping the other computers' ip adresses?
[09:03] <zorael> addresses*, too early in the morning
[09:03] <ubuntu_> And how I can change small fonts in KDE4? Kubuntu Intrepid.
[09:03] <zorael> ubuntu_: System Settings -> Appearance -> Fonts?
[09:04] <koudelka_> does msn work with kopete in kde 4.1?
[09:04] <ubuntu_> I tried QT4 too
[09:04] <koudelka_> i can't find it
[09:04] <ubuntu_> QT4 options
[09:04] <kamerigo> zorael: yes ... ping works well, both to XP, both to kubuntu
[09:04] <kamerigo> and
[09:04] <kamerigo> ...
[09:06] <zorael> kamerigo: Sounds weird. If I were you I'd first make sure all computers were in the same workgroup by modifying /etc/samba/smb.conf (WORKGROUP line)
[09:06] <zorael> kamerigo: Then for good measure I'd set up WINS hostname resolving: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6316236#post6316236
[09:06] <kamerigo> zorael: done
[09:07] <kamerigo> wins?
[09:07] <tictric> Riddell: ping
[09:07] <kamerigo> i'm not sure
[09:07] <zorael> kamerigo: Windows Internet Name Service, basically awareness with computer names
[09:08] <kamerigo> zorael: i don't know if is important, but i'd like to see and share between kubuntos PCS
[09:09] <kamerigo> zorael: also with XP but first goal is this
[09:09] <zorael> kamerigo: Right. So for that you should just need to set up your own samba shares.
[09:11] <zorael> kamerigo: Have a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/87672/
[09:12] <zorael> kamerigo: Just open up that /etc/samba/smb.conf file, modify the WORKGROUP line to suit your other computers, and add shares at the end of the file in the manner of that example
[09:12] <zorael> kamerigo: Most of those settings lines are redundant, and they will set up a share with full read and write properties for anonymous users, so it's for a home network
[09:13] <zorael> kamerigo: Stuff like 'read only = no' is synonymous with 'writeable = yes', but after having had some problems getting it to work properly I just added them all.
[09:14] <zorael> kamerigo: And I'd recommend the WINS thing too, it's a one-time procedure and then you can refer to other computers by their hostnames (computer names) instead of only by their ips
[09:16] <zorael> ubuntu_: The changes I do regarding fonts after each installation: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3100304.msg162222#msg162222
[09:16] <zorael> ah, bleh, he left
[09:17] <kamerigo> zorael: you are right.... too early for IP Address
[09:18] <szrhawaii> having trouble my knetwork for 3.5 doesnt have a 802.11 feature and in the intrepid it does is there a network manager that offers all options like the 4.1.3 network manager on 3.5
[09:18] <zorael> szrhawaii: I'd give wicd a shot, http://wicd.sourceforge.net
[09:19] <szrhawaii> zorael does it update to keep the driver updated to catch other systems
[09:20] <zorael> szrhawaii: Your guess is as good as mine, I just know it's a good alternative. ;3
[09:21] <zorael> give it a go, the worst thing that can happen is that you'd have to reinstall knetworkmanager
[09:21] <szrhawaii> also i had a problem loading the newer version of gcc the last time cause the package said it was compatable as a 2.4.4 but one or two files where still a 2.4.3 is there a way to find the upgraded files for that as well
[09:21] <szrhawaii> yeah im not worried about that ill try it
[09:22] <szrhawaii> i just re partitioned my drive again cause the kde 4.1.3 freaking froze on me cause its not really friendly for root settings like 3.5
[09:23] <szrhawaii> i like the ability to go into root folders to change things when i need to
[09:23] <szrhawaii> and that one doesnt let you
[09:27] <xethx> how do I add a repository in 8.10?
[09:28] <jussi01> xethx: kmenu, system, adept manager, sources, edit sources
[09:30] <Riddell> tictric: pong
[09:31] <szrhawaii> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main <xethx>
[09:32] <szrhawaii> add one my bad
[09:32] <szrhawaii> which package manager you using
[09:32] <szrhawaii> you would have to go to manage repositories
[09:32] <xethx> sorry
[09:32] <xethx> Im just trying to find a way to install fuppes easily
[09:33] <xethx> Im new to linux and im not to keen on building files from scratch yet.
[09:33] <blip-> hi all, I have Kubuntu 8.04 and there is a FAT32 partition on my system... everytime I want to mount or unmount this partition through Dolphin filemanager, I get a prompt to enter my password for root access... the problem is when I shutdown the machine as it's shutting down KDE tries to unmount and gives me a password prompt (gui) but there is on time to type it in..... the end result is I usually lose all the changes i've made on the partition during
[09:33] <blip-> that session....  I noticed this partition isn't defined in fstab... is that why it's asking me for passwd every time ?  thanks
[09:34] <kamerigo> zorael: if i have understud kubuntu share only what is in share setting of smb.conf ...
[09:34] <zorael> zorael: as does Ubuntu
[09:34] <zorael> er.
[09:34] <zorael> kamerigo: :3
[09:34] <zorael> kamerigo: so you'll want to modify that.
[09:35] <kamerigo> zorael: I'll try .... last question before I try ... workgroups is Case sensitive?
[09:35] <ActionParsnip1> kamerigo: i can send you my file if you want. its childishly simple
[09:35] <zorael> kamerigo: I don't think it is, actually
[09:35] <zorael> kamerigo: convention is to keep it in uppercase
[09:36] <kamerigo> Hi ActionParsnip1
[09:36] <zorael> kamerigo: though perhaps it'll just get converted into it anyway
[09:36] <ActionParsnip1> hi kamerigo
[09:36] <kamerigo> ok i'm going to
[09:37] <szrhawaii> ActionParsnip1 which networkmanager would you recommend for kde 3.5 that can do stuff like the knetwork in kde 4.1.3
[09:37] <szrhawaii> the knetwork in kde 3.5 on mine sucks
[09:38] <ActionParsnip1> szrhawaii: I dont use any so couldnt comment. i always simply edit the /etc/network/interfaces file
[09:38] <aniX72> due to HDD problem i lost some files in /bin  (sed, cp, login,...) is it sufficient to copy those files from my live mode /bin to the HDD /bin?
[09:38] <szrhawaii> ok
[09:38] <ActionParsnip1> szrhawaii: i know of wifi-radar
[09:38] <ActionParsnip1> szrhawaii: but to me they are a waste of time
[09:38] <szrhawaii> wifi-radar k ill check them out
[09:39] <szrhawaii> i just hate writing in terminal everytime for everything so if it makes it a little easier than its ok as long as it catches things since my knetwork doesnt recognize 802.11 IEEE
[09:39] <ActionParsnip1> szrhawaii: if the system never moves you can specify networking stuffs in the interfaces file and you dont have to worry about any bugs in silly config apps
[09:40] <szrhawaii> mine moves
[09:40] <szrhawaii> its a laptop
[09:40] <xethx> can anyone recomend a repository thatwould have libavcodec1d
[09:40] <xethx> Im trying to install fuppes
[09:41] <szrhawaii> libavcodec1d isnt it libavcodec1
[09:41] <szrhawaii> or libavcodec0
[09:41] <szrhawaii> just asking
[09:42] <ActionParsnip1> szrhawaii: no, i meant from lan to lan, not just being a laptop
[09:42] <szrhawaii> oh man i move around so much with this computer i would have to configure everywhere i go
[09:43] <xethx> anyone?
[09:43] <szrhawaii> did you try your package manager or your terminal xethx
[09:45] <xethx> yes
[09:45] <ActionParsnip1> xethx: apt-cache search libavcodec1d
[09:46] <xethx> ok
[09:46] <xethx> It typed it and nothing happened
[09:47] <szrhawaii> because i think its libavcodec0 or libavcodec1 or just libavcodec
[09:47] <ActionParsnip1>  xethx: apt-cache search libavcodec
[09:49] <xethx> When I run the .deb i get an 'Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libavcodec1d
[09:50] <tictric> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/309293
[09:50] <tictric> I don't really know whom this actually might concern because of it's strangness
[09:51] <xethx> I am trying to install fuppes so I can listen to my music on my PS3
[09:51] <tictric> Firefox is the only app so atm that I can print with apart from printer manager
[09:52] <tictric> test page
[09:52] <Riddell> tictric: cups no my area, try till kampeter
[09:52] <tictric> it's freakin annoying
[09:52] <tictric> ok
[09:52] <elijah_frost> Good day ladies and gentlemen. How do I switch keyboard layout? KMenu -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout -> XKb options doesn't work for me (I've tried to bind it to ctrl+shift but it doesn't seem to be working)
[09:53] <elijah_frost> I have no idea why doesn't my binding worl
[09:53] <elijah_frost> work*
[09:53] <elijah_frost> What am I doing wrong if anything?
[09:54] <szrhawaii> xethx its just libavcodec
[09:55] <tictric> 'lpr file' does print nicely.
[09:55] <szrhawaii> xethx you using terminal or a package manager
[09:55] <tictric> hm
[09:58] <elijah_frost> Good day ladies and gentlemen.The question is kinda kubuntu-related but I hope to get help anyway.  How do I switch keyboard layout? KMenu -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout -> XKb options doesn't work for me (I've tried to bind it to ctrl+shift but it doesn't seem to be working). I have no idea why doesn't my binding work. What am I doing wrong if anything?
[09:58] <elijah_frost> oops wrong paste
[09:59] <xethx> ok im back
[09:59] <xethx> Im attpemting to make the file from scratch.
[10:00] <xethx> xethx@xethx-desktop:~/Desktop/fuppes-SVN-578$ sudo make
[10:00] <xethx> [sudo] password for xethx:
[10:00] <xethx> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[10:00] <xethx> I get this when I follow the instructions I find here http://fuppes.ulrich-voelkel.de/documentation/installation/linux/
[10:01] <chris_> May some help me? I want to create a calender with digiKam but the entry in the menu is missing
[10:02] <xethx> >.<
[10:04] <xethx> New problem, I need libpcre
[10:05] <xethx> its not in my repositories
[10:05] <xethx> I already tried 'sudo apt-get install libpcre'
[10:06] <szrhawaii> did you try your package manager
[10:06] <xethx> same thing as adept?
[10:06] <szrhawaii> yep
[10:06] <xethx> I thought apt-get and adept were the same...
[10:06] <szrhawaii> sometimes packages dont show up in terminal
[10:07] <szrhawaii> not sure why it does that a few people have had that problem including me with other files
[10:08] <xethx> ok a few files popped up ill see what happens after I install
[10:08] <xethx> I thankyou for your patience and help.
[10:10] <kamerigo> how to restart samba service?
[10:12] <ActionParsnip1> kamerigo: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[10:13] <xethx> jeez all these things i need to download just to do a single .configure
[10:14] <xethx> ok now im having trouble with sqlite3
[10:14] <xethx> Which file in adept do I need to grab?
[10:14] <kamerigo> ActionParsnip1: sudo: /etc/init.d/samba: command not found
[10:15] <xethx> theres a buch of them
[10:15] <kamerigo> A
[10:15] <kamerigo> ActionParsnip1: apt-get install samba?
[10:17] <ActionParsnip1> kamerigo: if you havent installed samba, yes or it wont be there
[10:19] <kamerigo> ActionParsnip1: it's strange because i found smb.conf ... i don't remember if i have installed it
[10:20] <ActionParsnip1> kamerigo: sudo apt-get install samba
[10:21] <xethx> action parsnip1 can I pm you with something really quick?
[10:21] <kamerigo> ActionParsnip1: question.... the file smb.conf just change will be lost?
[10:22] <ActionParsnip1> kamerigo: if you want to make sure, copy one to ~/ then copy back after the install
[10:22] <kamerigo> ActionParsnip1: ok
[10:32] <Lynx_> Hi all! I am trying to install some plasmoids, but after running cmake successfully, make complains of missing target. What's going wrong?
[10:32] <anipy> i use kubuntu 8.04, upgraded from 7.10, 7.04,... (though, the upgrades obviously were not 100%, e.g. default file browser is still konqui, which is OK for me since i like it more than dolphin). since i have to replace my HDD toda: is it better to make a clean install of 8.10 or to do again just version-upgrade?
[10:36] <hell__>  hi
[10:41] <blip99> hi all,  i got my 56K dial-up USB modem configured and working.  I connected via Knetworkmanager.... the problem is I don't hear the pshhhh pshhhh ting tong sound while it's connecting.   I have the volume set on max in the modem config (in knetworkman) as well as system volume.    I really need the sound to debug my modem during travels.
[10:42] <blip99> *physical
[10:43] <xethx> anyone know how to fix this error: 'strlen' was not declared in this scope
[10:48] <blip99> strlen i think that's a C function.. you need to import the proper stuff perhaps
[10:53] <nekostar> o"
[10:55] <xethx> like
[10:55] <xethx> could you explain?
[10:56] <blip99> xethx: you didn't make it very clear where this error is.... are you compiling a C program you wrote ?   If so you should ask in #C++
[10:56] <blip99> ##C++
[10:56] <vge> blip99: Your problem is that most of here don't work with modems anymore and the problem is quite rare, you should imho put it in kubuntu/kde forums and try your luck there.
[10:57] <blip99> ah ok.  i'll do that.  thanks vge
[11:01] <xethx> blip
[11:01] <xethx> I am trying to make the install file for fuppes
[11:09] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[11:10] <xethx> yo
[11:11] <xethx> any idea what this means? http://www.ubuntu.pastebin.com/m24433e42
[11:11] <xethx> I have no clue were to even begin.
[11:11] <xethx> I posted on the forums about it too.
[11:13] <ActionParsnip1> xethx: what version of gcc do you have?
[11:14] <ActionParsnip1> xethx: gcc --version
[11:14] <xethx> one moment
[11:14] <ShishKabab> Hi. I've installed the kdelibs in Ubuntu. Where can I find the Oxygen style.
[11:15] <ShishKabab> ?
[11:15] <xethx> 4.3.2
[11:15] <szrhawaii> what is the terminal code to run a program from cd
[11:16] <szrhawaii> i know its sudo something ~/media/cdrom0 and file name
[11:16] <ActionParsnip1> xethx: http://www.stepmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16217
[11:16] <szrhawaii> #virtualbox
[11:16] <ActionParsnip1> szrhawaii: if its an installer for wine you dont need sudo
[11:17] <szrhawaii> its for virtual box
[11:17] <xethx> ActionParsnip1: Im not sure what its telling me to do, im new to linux
[11:20] <ActionParsnip1> xethx: read the posts
[11:20] <ActionParsnip1> xethx: before you change te file, backup the old one first so you can rollback if its no good
[11:21] <xethx> there is no global.h
[11:21] <xethx> I did a file search
[11:25] <Malic> hi! ich will auf kde 4.2 upgraden.. wie mache ich das am besten. Ich benutze kubuntu  8.04 /kde 3.5.10 mit compiz fusion.
[11:26] <jussi01> !de | Malic
[11:26] <Malic> sorry
[11:26] <jussi01> Malic: its english only in here.
[11:26] <jussi01> :)
[11:26] <Malic> it was the wrong chat-room ;-)
[11:26] <jussi01> ;)
[11:34] <ShishKabab> Anyone?
[11:34] <kamerigo> lunch time
[11:34] <glauco_> hello!
[11:38] <ActionParsnip1> ShishKabab: im not sure you can appy the oxgen theme to gnome
[11:39] <ActionParsnip1> ShishKabab: if you are in kde, you can run systemsettings and set the theme for kde there
[11:39] <xethx> ActionParsnip1: there is no global.h
[11:39] <xethx> I did a file search
[11:41] <ShishKabab> ActionParsnip1: I've develop a KDE4 app (a PHP IDE) and I'd like it not to be butt-ugly in Gnome. Is there any other way?
[11:41] <ActionParsnip1> ShishKabab: boot to kde is all i can suggest
[11:42] <ActionParsnip1> xethx: ive found a few in my apt-build folder
[11:42] <xethx> were can I find that?
[11:43] <ShishKabab> ActionParsnip1: I already use KDE, but my target audience may not be using KDE
[11:43] <ActionParsnip1> xethx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/87747/
[11:43] <ActionParsnip1> xethx: you may find it in the source folder for the app you are installing
[11:47] <xethx> It isnt there
[11:48] <xethx> There is no global.h on my whole computer
[11:51] <ActionParsnip1> ShishKabab: so it uses kde libs but it intended for gnome?
[11:51] <ActionParsnip1> xethx: i'd serch for the error that "whateveritis.h" does not exist or whatever the exact error was
[11:58] <gab3> http://www.clock.org/~gabe/wine.png  -<-- whenever I install wine, cedega, crossover, the fonts are always garbled like this
[11:58] <gab3> any idea why?
[12:01] <ActionParsnip1> xethx: http://fuppes.ulrich-voelkel.de/wiki/index.php?title=Compiling_on_Ubuntu_Linux
[12:01] <ActionParsnip1> xethx: http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-install-and-configure-fuppes-on-ubuntu-hardy/2008/10/25
[12:03] <ShishKabab> ActionParsnip1: It's a product intended for a very wide audience. KDE users, Gnome users, Windows user, etc. It targets PHP programmers, not users of a specific DE.
[12:04] <ActionParsnip1> ShishKabab: you could coe one for kde and one for gnome to match if appearence is important to you
[12:04] <ActionParsnip1> ShishKabab: im sure a lot of kde users dont want their systems bloated having to install gnome libs to run a sinle application
[12:06] <ShishKabab> ActionParsnip1: Mmm... Maybe I'll just have to ship a Qt stylesheet with my app.
[12:08] <gab3> http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~ggreen/wine.png
[12:08] <gab3> sorry, that URL works --
[12:08] <gab3> every wine program -wine, cedega, crossover --
[12:08] <gab3> the fonts are messed uplike that.
[12:08] <gab3> any ideas?
[12:09] <ActionParsnip1> !fonts | gab3
[12:10] <ShishKabab> ActionParsnip1: Thanks for the help.
[12:29] <Black_Monkey> is kde 4.2 beta 2 in any intrepid repos? I heard it was, but all announcements have gone...
[12:29] <ActionParsnip1> !neon | Black_Monkeyc
[12:32] <xethx> #samba
[12:32] <Black_Monkey> ActionParsnip1: oh, I know, I was just wondering about beta 2
[12:33] <ActionParsnip1> Black_Monkey: thats it, you need extra repos
[12:34] <ActionParsnip1> Black_Monkey: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/tag/ubuntu-install-kde-42/
[12:34] <Black_Monkey> ActionParsnip1: I mean as in they packages beta 1 separately, and then beta 2, but it seems to have completely disappeared
[12:35] <ActionParsnip1> Black_Monkey: no idea, maybe someone else can help, i had it briefly but i found it complete garbage so went back to kde4.1+fluxbox
[12:36] <Black_Monkey> ok thanks
[12:38] <gorgonizer> Black_Monkey: I installed 4.2 Beta 2 this morning, from the same repos as Beta 1 was located..
[12:40] <Black_Monkey> gorgonizer: yeah, I saw a forum post saying  it was in repos, and reddit links to a release announcement - but all traces on kubuntu.org and kde.org have gone :-S
[12:41] <gorgonizer> oh, it wasn't on kubuntu.org whenI checked this morning, I just a note from adept that i had 245 updates available, which I found to be Beta2..
[12:41] <gorgonizer> I found on kde.org there was a note indicating that 4.2 Beta 2 was to be released today, in the 4.2 Release Schedule, but I never checked today tbh..
[12:42] <gorgonizer> just checked, not a hint of it on the main page, only 4.2 Beta 1..
[12:43] <gorgonizer> I found this: http://www.kde.org/info/4.1.85.php ubt it is not linked on the main page...
[12:45] <Black_Monkey> yeah, I saw that...
[12:46] <Black_Monkey> weird
[12:47] <rahiel|^> hi
[12:47] <Ejlan> Hello im wondering how to install flash on kubuntu 64bit
[12:48] <Ejlan> i can't get it to work
[12:50] <Black_Monkey> Ejlan: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.d21.1.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[12:50] <Black_Monkey> but that's still pre-release quality
[12:50] <Ejlan> 3okay
[12:51] <Ejlan> i'll try it
[12:51] <kamerigo> ActionParsnip1: done all process for samba ... now i see the shared folder with the simbol of sharing... but if i do smbtree is stil empty
[12:52] <Ejlan> So were do i put libflashplayer.so?
[12:53] <Black_Monkey> in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[12:53] <Black_Monkey> or I guess that should be lib64
[12:54] <Ejlan> btw im in opera
[12:54] <Black_Monkey> hm, not sure if it works in opera
[12:54] <Black_Monkey> just a sec
[12:57] <Ejlan> it worked
[12:57] <Ejlan> thanks for the help
[12:57] <Black_Monkey> ah great, yw
[12:59] <ActionParsnip1> kamerigo: can you pastebin you /etc/samba/smb.conf please
[13:00] <ActionParsnip1> Ejlan: i believe its ~/.opera some place
[13:00] <ActionParsnip1> eljefe: you'll find everyone has been firefox brainwashed in here
[13:00] <ActionParsnip1> Ejlan: you'll find everyone has been firefox brainwashed in here
[13:01] <Ejlan> it was in /usr/lib/opera/plugins
[13:02] <ActionParsnip1> Ejlan: aye thats it, it was a long time since i set that up
[13:02] <kamerigo> ActionParsnip1: ok it is arriving
[13:03] <keres> can someone help me with this: http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotii0.png
[13:03] <ActionParsnip1> kamerigo: what is/
[13:04] <kamerigo> is ceres my be
[13:04] <kamerigo> a
[13:06] <kamerigo> ActionParsnip1: this is mine
[13:06] <kamerigo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/87777/
[13:07] <ActionParsnip1> kamerigo: ok looks ok, just its named 'name_of_share' which may be confusing you
[13:09] <kamerigo> ActionParsnip1: so name_of_share = Shares and path is /home/kamerigo    .... right?
[13:11] <ActionParsnip1> kamerigo: yeah, the path ~/Shares is know as //<your server name>/name_of_share
[13:11] <wikki> so I just started running the kde
[13:11] <ActionParsnip1> kamerigo: you need to replace the server name with the hostname of the samba server
[13:12] <wikki> when I run firefox though a few things don't look right, the letters on the tabs seem to be too big and the checkbox buttons are too big so they seem to overlap their frame
[13:13] <ActionParsnip1> wikki: try installing a new theme
[13:14] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[13:14] <wikki> where do the themes hide out?
[13:14] <kamerigo> ActionParsnip1: kamerigo: you need to replace the server name with the hostname of the samba server ......    row please!
[13:15] <kamerigo> ActionParsnip1: too many strings
[13:15] <ActionParsnip1> kamerigo: well if you computer is called PC1
[13:16] <ActionParsnip1> kamerigo: to access the share you'd access \\PC1\name_of_share
[13:16] <ActionParsnip1> kamerigo: PC1 is the host name
[13:16] <ActionParsnip1> kamerigo: name_of_share is the name of the shared folder
[13:17] <cz9qvh> hello kde users
[13:18] <cz9qvh> can someone advise me on this problem?  I get an "Open With" dialog when i click on an executable
[13:18] <cz9qvh> drive me crazy
[13:18] <kamerigo> ActionParsnip1: so i had to configure also the other pc... isn't enought to enable sharing of folder
[13:19] <ActionParsnip1> kamerigo: if you want to share more folders, yes. if you want to access the share you can type: smb:// in the address bar
[13:20] <kamerigo> ActionParsnip1: thank you .... is more clear
[13:25] <cz9qvh> any ideas anyone?  i just want it to launch the executable when i click it, heh
[13:27] <ActionParsnip1> cz9qvh: chmod +x <file>
[13:27] <cz9qvh> good try! i checked that
[13:29] <cz9qvh> it launches up just fine from a terminal :(
[13:29] <ActionParsnip1> cz9qvh: are they scripts?
[13:29] <cz9qvh> no, executables
[13:29] <ActionParsnip1> cz9qvh: does the top line read #!/bin/bash ?
[13:29] <ActionParsnip1> ah
[13:30] <ActionParsnip1> cz9qvh: windows executables or windows executables
[13:30] <ActionParsnip1> ?
[13:30] <cz9qvh> hmm, like the first one that i tried is Eclipse
[13:30] <cz9qvh> -rwxr-xr-x  1 david david  52576 2008-12-15 10:16 eclipse*
[13:30] <cz9qvh> i could do a `./eclipse` from the command line, and it runs
[13:31] <cz9qvh> so, then i figured maybe its a java thing
[13:31] <ActionParsnip1> cz9qvh: if you right click, you can tell it to run in terminal
[13:31] <ActionParsnip1> i thiink
[13:32] <cz9qvh> ah, no, i just get "open with" on the context menu, heh
[13:32] <ActionParsnip1> yeppers :)
[13:32] <kamerigo> !interfaces
[13:34] <cz9qvh> idk, maybe some particular problem with my install
[13:34] <cz9qvh> i installed ubuntu first, and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, heh
[13:34] <cz9qvh> version 8.10
[13:35] <ActionParsnip1> cz9qvh: thats fine, you can install xubuntu-desktop too if you wish
[13:35] <BluesKaj> 'morning again
[13:35] <cz9qvh> blueskaj: hi
[13:36] <BluesKaj> hi cz9qvh
[13:39] <lukic> hi! i have a problem. i have nvidia beta drivers installed (manually) but drivers manager can't see them so i can't enable window effects. can someone help?
[13:40] <cz9qvh> lukic: might try installing them with modprobe
[13:41] <lukic> cz9qvh:  can you please explain that?
[13:41] <EKrava> 1) in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common DISABLES_MODULES="nvidia"
[13:41] <EKrava> 2) if you have /etc/rc.local insert the modprobe nvidia coomand in this file
[13:42] <ActionParsnip1> !nvidia | lukic
[13:44] <cz9qvh> Does anyone know how to change the default launch action for executable files in kde 4?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> lukic,  which video card ? ...you really should check adept by typing your cardnumber into the adept searchbar and then checking in properties the various nvidia drivers available supporting your particular card.
[13:45] <lukic> EKrava:  should i put modprobe nvidia at the end of rc.local file? after exit 0?
[13:45] <lukic> BluesKaj: its geforce4 mx440
[13:45] <cz9qvh> lukic: exit 0 will terminate the script, so put it before that, if you need to put it there at all
[13:45] <ActionParsnip1> cz9qvh: do you mean windows executables or linux executables
[13:45] <cz9qvh> lukic: check the guide actionparsnip1 pulled up
[13:46] <cz9qvh> actionparsnip1: linux executables
[13:46] <cz9qvh> actionparsnip1: i.e. compiled binary programs with the x flag set
[13:46] <lukic> cz9qvh: ok i'll check
[13:47] <ActionParsnip1> cz9qvh: im unsure, id imagine you'd not want to cange that as it would affect ALL binarys
[13:48] <cz9qvh> actionparsnip1: i meant just the default "click" action... right now i'm not getting anything except for an "open with" window
[13:48] <ActionParsnip1> cz9qvh: you'd be better creating a script to run the particular one or two you want to run different in a script
[13:49] <ActionParsnip1> cz9qvh: very strange
[13:49] <cz9qvh> yeah, its wierd
[13:50] <cz9qvh> i can make a launcher for the application, by right clicking on the folder view in plasma and choosing "Create new->link to application" and choosing the executable file i want to launch in that dialog and saving the launcher and then when i click on that launcher it loads up the program like it should
[13:50] <cz9qvh> but i want to just click on the executable and run it
[13:51] <cz9qvh> i can get where plasma wants me to choose a program to launch it with if the file i click on does not have the x flag set
[13:51] <ActionParsnip1> hmmm
[13:51] <cz9qvh> when i had Wine installed earlier, then every executable i click on, even the linux ones, it tried to open it in wine
[13:51] <ActionParsnip1> cz9qvh: i'd ask in #gentoo
[13:51] <cz9qvh> k
[13:53] <Knoppit> Any thoughts on the best nvidia driver for a GeForce FX 5200 and KDE 4.1
[13:54] <ActionParsnip1> Knoppit: the desktop environment doesnt matter
[13:55] <abdelwahab> salut
[13:55] <ActionParsnip1> Knoppit: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/nvidia-glx-71
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Knoppit, your card uses this driver,nvidia-glx-173
[13:56] <ActionParsnip1> Knoppit: here's an xorg.conf you'll need if nvidia-settings doesnt fly: http://threeeighthsspacer.com/blog/2008/11/20/geforce-fx-5200-in-ubuntu-intrepid-ibex-810/
[13:57] <BluesKaj> Knoppit, you'll find it in adept or apt or even synaptic
[13:57] <abdelwahab> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=864737
[13:58] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip1, if he uses a package manager his xorg.conf file will adjusted accordingly
[13:58] <Knoppit> ActionParsnip1, et al -- I should have mentioned that I'm using Hardy. Does that change your advice?
[13:58] <ActionParsnip1> Knoppit: for hardy you need nvidia-glx
[13:59] <Knoppit> ActionParsnip1, thanks and rats: I'm using that one and I'm somewhat disappointed with the speed of screen drawing
[14:00] <ActionParsnip1> Knoppit: theres always envng-qt if all else fails
[14:00] <ActionParsnip1> Knoppit: make sure you have nvidia-settings installed and that your settings are good
[14:01] <abdelwahab> hello
[14:01] <Knoppit> ActionParsnip1, I was thinking of going to glx-new or legacy
[14:01] <ActionParsnip1> Knoppit: legacy ==old cards, new == newer cards
[14:02] <ActionParsnip1> Knoppit: yo could try legacy, you can always uninstall it if its bad
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Knoppit, the ,nvidia-glx-173 is the one to use ...trust me :)
[14:03] <Knoppit> ActionParsnip1, Thanks, I must have done something wrong the last time I tried switching between drivers. I ended up having to do a reinstall.
[14:05] <ActionParsnip1> Knoppit: you dont have to reinstall for a video driver, just use grub to reset xorg.conf and uninstall and video drivers you installed
[14:09] <Knoppit> BluesKaj, Do you know if glx-173 is either the legacy or new of  adept?
[14:09] <Knoppit> ActionParsnip1, I didn't want to reinstall, just bodged the job somehow and eventually had to reinstall
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Knoppit, it's new for your card
[14:12] <Knoppit> BluesKaj, I'm looking at adept now, and 173 is not either of those. I'm looking for the 173
[14:12] <Knoppit> BluesKaj, Ah, so it may not be in the repositories yet?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> nvidia-glx-173
[14:13] <BluesKaj> do you have the 3rd part sources enabled?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> party
[14:14] <ActionParsnip1> BluesKaj: hes on hardy remember
[14:14] <ActionParsnip1> BluesKaj: not intrepid
[14:14] <BluesKaj> still
[14:14] <Knoppit> BluesKaj, yes I have third party enabled
[14:14] <BluesKaj> hmm
[14:15] <BluesKaj> ok, I thought hardy would have the new driver for sure ..
[14:15] <ActionParsnip1> BluesKaj: nope, those are intrepi afaik
[14:15] <ActionParsnip1> BluesKaj: hardy has glx glx-new and glx-legacy
[14:15] <Knoppit> BluesKaj, nvidia-glx-new-dev-envy = 173.14.12
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Knoppit, try the new
[14:16] <BluesKaj> don't use envy
[14:16] <BluesKaj> !envy
[14:16] <ActionParsnip1> envy is fine if you dont mind switching to nv driver every time you install a new kernel
[14:16] <ActionParsnip1> thats all it is
[14:17] <ActionParsnip1> then boot the new gui and rerun envy install
[14:17] <BluesKaj> that's apita
[14:17] <Pici> You shouldn't have to do that.
[14:17] <ActionParsnip1> ten switch back to nvidia
[14:17] <bazhang> no longer with envyng-qt
[14:17] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: awesome
[14:18] <bazhang> if its hardy; intrepid doesnt use it at all
[14:18] <Knoppit> OK you've all convinced me -- time for a new card :)
[14:18] <Knoppit> Kidding
[14:19] <BluesKaj> knoppit i picked up a gforce 7600gt for peanuts
[14:19] <ActionParsnip1> how can i tell if im using the envy diver or the "normal" one?
[14:19] <bazhang> ActionParsnip1, you on hardy?
[14:20] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: i was and upgraded on day of release of intrepid
[14:20] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: i was on enby drivers in hardy
[14:20] <ActionParsnip1> *envy
[14:20] <bazhang> ActionParsnip1, so was I (ie envyng-gtk ones), did nothing except got hardware drivers in intrepid
[14:21] <Knoppit> BluesKaj, Is it fanless? My FX 5200 is and that's what I like about it. Plus it has been a good "work horse" for years.
[14:21] <dwidmann> uggh, I wonder if VLC, one of its deps, or the nvidia drivers was responsible for that nasty hang :\
[14:21] <BluesKaj> there's a fan it's quiet tho
[14:22] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: so how can i tell whats currently been used?
[14:22] <bazhang> ActionParsnip1, did you check what was in hardware drivers? which card?
[14:22] <dwidmann> Knoppit: you can get aftermarket fanless coolers for video cards, presuming they don't run too hot
[14:23] <ActionParsnip1> nvidia onboar 6250
[14:23] <bazhang> ActionParsnip1, is that the 73? should say in hardware drivers afaik
[14:27] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: http://pastebin.com/f256dd8ea
[14:27] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: i got those installed
[14:28] <mav> can anyone tell me how to find kworldclock in intrepid? package has gone and its not in kdetoys as stated :|
[14:30] <Knoppit> Thanks all -- so long time -- to reboot
[14:30] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: any suggestions
[14:32] <bazhang> ActionParsnip1, sorry was away; does it list one as 'recommended' ?
[14:33] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: i run fluxbox so Ihavent seen anything like that
[14:33] <javier_> hola todo el mundo como estan?
[14:33] <bazhang> !es
[14:33] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: if i uninstall them all and reboot will ubuntu offer to install one?
[14:33] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: my xorg.conf is setup
[14:33] <bazhang> ActionParsnip1, that would likely be a good suggestion imo
[14:34] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: deal
[14:36] <ActionParsnip1> ok all nvidia stuffs removed
[14:36] <ActionParsnip1> should i switch xorg.conf back to nv driver
[14:36] <ActionParsnip1> ??
[14:36] <JP-sNL3> good afternoon... having no luck trying to find out how to install flash (for youtube etc.) on this here amd64... please clue me in   :-)
[14:38] <dr_willis> JP-sNL3,  i normally just install the 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' package and it grabs flash and more
[14:38] <dr_willis> flash, java, various codecs. and other bits you proberly want anyway
[14:38] <bazhang> ActionParsnip1, you are in the tty now? think you need to reinstall them from there to get it working again
[14:39] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: yeah im on an ssh
[14:39] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: i dont mind cli gumf though, i could run the fix org.conf command
[14:40] <JP-sNL3> dr_willis: hi... hmm, did that... haven't seen much improvement though... i'll triple check what goes
[14:40] <bazhang> ActionParsnip1, think installing the drivers from there should do it, xorg.conf is pretty much deprecated in intrepid now
[14:42] <ActionParsnip1> ok i just fixed my xorg.conf to a failsafe one
[14:42] <ActionParsnip1> i'll go from there
[14:42] <downhillgames> http://masterdownhillgames.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-firefox-and-mimetypes.html <---BOOM
[14:42] <downhillgames> very useful :D
[14:43] <bazhang> downhillgames, please keep that to #kubuntu-offtopic thanks
[14:43] <downhillgames> ...there's a channel for everything on this network, I swear
[15:09] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: you there duder?
[15:09] <bazhang> ActionParsnip1, yep
[15:09] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: ok ive defaulted my xorg.conf
[15:09] <ActionParsnip1> and ive apparently got direct rendering
[15:09] <ActionParsnip1> and glxgears pulls 200 FPS
[15:09] <bazhang> is that good?
[15:10] <ActionParsnip1> after i simply uninstalled all the nvidia packages i had
[15:10] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: not sure, amd semperon 3000 am2 with 1gb ddr2 onboard nvidia 6250 128mb
[15:10] <ActionParsnip1> just got 640 x 480 res
[15:11] <bazhang> nvidia-settings been used yet?
[15:11] <ActionParsnip1> not yet, just apt-getting
[15:11] <bazhang> okay
[15:12] <ActionParsnip1> i do not appear to be running the nvidia x driver
[15:12] <ActionParsnip1> says to run nvidia-xconfig which i dont have
[15:12] <ActionParsnip1> sorry its a 6150
[15:14] <Dedi> anyone managed kde4 and bluetooth?
[15:24] <vge> Dedi: im hearing there is a known bug in it, don't ask me more about it ;)
[15:24] <ActionParsnip1> ok i installed nvidia-glx-177
[15:24] <ActionParsnip1> and then ran nvidia-xconfig
[15:25] <bazhang> how does the res look now
[15:25] <ActionParsnip1> same as before I started playing but without all the other fluff
[15:25] <ActionParsnip1> :D
[15:25] <JP-sNL3> hmm... adept reports kubuntu-restricted-extras as installed, but still no youtube clips in firefox or konqueror... dr_willis? anybody?
[15:26] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: when i change res in nvidia-settings do i still need to restart x server??
[15:28] <ActionParsnip1> ok got a bit excited by silly high resolutions and chose a really high one. didnt lke that :)
[15:28] <ActionParsnip1> thanks for the advice bazhang
[15:28] <bazhang> heh ActionParsnip1
[15:29] <bazhang> and why arent you helping in #ubuntu :)
[15:29] <Psi-Jack> People here care more about people.
[15:29] <bazhang> keeping him to yourself?
[15:29] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: yeah my 17' ctx can do 2000 x whatever it is hahaha
[15:30] <Psi-Jack> It's hard as fsck to get any real brains or decency in #ubuntu.
[15:31] <ActionParsnip1> Psi-Jack: do it in live cd, or drop to root console and do it there
[15:31] <Psi-Jack> Eh?
[15:31] <JP-sNL3> lol
[15:31] <JP-sNL3> :-D
[15:31] <Psi-Jack> I'd rather mount -o remount /dev/part && fsck :p
[15:33] <Psi-Jack> Heh, i like doing that though. errors=mount-ro, crontab every 60 seconds checks mount status, if ro for the watched mounts, it fscks and re-mounts rw.
[15:33] <Psi-Jack> Self-healing filesystem, live.
[15:34] <ActionParsnip1> Psi-Jack: or use perc controllers which can self rebuild if the drive goes down, takes the load off the OS / CPU as its done in hardware
[15:35] <Psi-Jack> That too. But that's what good RAID5 is for, but even then, filesystem errors still need to be accounted for.
[15:35] <ActionParsnip1> oh absolutely, and the raid controller will tell you that too
[15:35] <ActionParsnip1> i get emails at work about stuff like that
[15:36] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. A nice event watcher for the raid makes streamlining the effect even better.
[15:36] <ActionParsnip1> Psi-Jack: well we need it due to the volume of servers we have
[15:36] <Psi-Jack> Kinda funny though that most people don't know this type of stuff.
[15:36] <Psi-Jack> And yet.
[15:36] <Psi-Jack> It's too easy.
[15:37] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: i've got a nicely populated xorg.conf too :D
[15:37] <bazhang> ActionParsnip1, nice :)
[15:37] <Psi-Jack> heh
[15:37] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: I thought xorg.conf was dead/
[15:37] <Psi-Jack> My xorg.conf is very tidy.
[15:38] <Psi-Jack> Small, discreet, tidy.
[15:38] <bazhang> well you can still configure it if you know what you are doing
[15:38] <Psi-Jack> IF you even need to do anything to it, really.
[15:38] <Psi-Jack> Most everything is done automagically now.
[15:38] <ActionParsnip1> http://pastebin.com/f44d79e6d
[15:38] <bazhang> but the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg of gutsy is gone
[15:38] <Psi-Jack> like freetype, type1, those are automagic.
[15:39] <ActionParsnip1> bazhang: yeah i loved that, was sweeet
[15:39] <Psi-Jack> With hal, there's very little need to have most of that in there in fact.
[15:39] <ActionParsnip1> Psi-Jack: thats what I thought which is why im confused as to why its so very populated
[15:40] <Psi-Jack> I don't even have an InputDevice at all in mine.
[15:40] <Psi-Jack> I have Device, Screen, Module, section.
[15:40] <Psi-Jack> That's it.
[15:40] <Psi-Jack> Oh, and DRI.
[15:40] <Psi-Jack> Cause I wanted DRI to be full 0666
[15:41] <Psi-Jack> xkb handles the keyboard layout and extensions.
[15:41] <Psi-Jack> hal handles the mouse, though it made my app-button a Back button instead of what I really want it for..
[15:42] <Psi-Jack> I /want/ my 4th button to actually bring up the kde plasma dashboard. ;D
[15:44] <ActionParsnip1> i run flubox so right mouse button is my menu
[15:46] <Psi-Jack> I have the normal 3 buttons, middle being the wheel mapping 4 and 5 to wheel ops, and a 6th just below the wheel which in Windows brought up the active tasks to switch to.
[15:46] <Psi-Jack> But in KDE I want the Plasma Dashboard, because it's sooooo much more useful!
[15:47] <ActionParsnip1> too slow, fluxbox is more functional to me
[15:47] <ActionParsnip1> ok one more question
[15:48]  * JP-sNL3 waits for his turn...
[15:48] <Psi-Jack> Okay.
[15:48] <Psi-Jack> But after this I need to sleep.
[15:48] <ActionParsnip1> when i run: dpkg -l | grep 2.6 I see all the old kernels which I have had installed as well as my current one
[15:48] <ActionParsnip1> the old ones have rc next to the but the current one has ii
[15:48] <ActionParsnip1> is there a way to get rid of the rc ones as they are no longer on my system and are just cluttering the list
[15:49] <Psi-Jack> apt-get purge <packagename>
[15:49] <ActionParsnip1> Psi-Jack: i'll try it, i usually --purge when i remove
[15:51] <ActionParsnip1> nope still there
[15:52] <Psi-Jack> ActionParsnip1: Anything in dpkg -C ?
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-beta-2
[15:55] <Psi-Jack> JP-sNL3: Did you need something?
[15:56] <Psi-Jack> Oh.
[15:56] <Psi-Jack> Flash.
[15:56] <Psi-Jack> JP-sNL3: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[15:57] <JP-sNL3> Psi-Jack: hi... thank you, i'll try that right now
[15:58] <ActionParsnip1> lemme check
[15:58] <ActionParsnip1> no output there duder, i'll have a web browse
[15:59] <RurouniJones> Anyone know a method of setting up VNC in a manner that would punch through a consumer routers NAT'd/Firewalled (sorta) setup like Skype does with bouncing via a central server?
[15:59] <Psi-Jack> Might need to dpkg -P packagename-version more specifically.
[16:00] <Psi-Jack> RurouniJones: UltraVNC can do that with a 32kb file you send them to use which automagically handshakes to you initiating it so it's already through the NAT
[16:00] <bening> what is kubuntu?
[16:01] <ActionParsnip1> rc == reconfigured
[16:01] <ActionParsnip1> !kubuntu | bening
[16:01] <RurouniJones> Psi-Jack: Thank you very much, I shall look into it
[16:04] <RurouniJones> Nuts, windows only
[16:04] <ActionParsnip1> Psi-Jack: yeah it's -P cheers broseph
[16:04] <ActionParsnip1> Psi-Jack: why doesnt apt-get clear those out?
[16:04] <Psi-Jack> ActionParsnip1: -P aka --purge
[16:05] <ActionParsnip1> Psi-Jack: i always purge when i remove
[16:05] <bening> can I install the ubuntu package to kubuntu?
[16:05] <Psi-Jack> ActionParsnip1: apt works mostly with the /latest/ version
[16:05] <ActionParsnip1> always always
[16:05] <JP-sNL3> Psi-Jack: it is already installed (latest version)... this is a kubuntu 8.10 on a acer aspire 7530 amd64 laptop btw... it is driving me crazy being a windows/slackware/knoppix user
[16:05] <JP-sNL3> :-(
[16:06] <Psi-Jack> JP-sNL3: Well, YouTube is JUST flash
[16:06] <JP-sNL3> yeah  :-)
[16:06] <Psi-Jack> You using firefox?
[16:06] <JP-sNL3> yes
[16:07] <jim88> can anyone suggest an easy way to upgrade a linux bios
[16:07] <Psi-Jack> Linux is a kernel, it's not bios.
[16:08] <jim88> sorry, I have an older gateway machine and running kubuntu and want to update the bios
[16:08] <Psi-Jack> Do you need to?
[16:10] <jim88> PSI-Jack: I am not sure but I think so ... it was a used machine and I use it in production and want to be sure it's ok
[16:10] <Psi-Jack> If you are not 100% sure. Don't.
[16:10] <Psi-Jack> Check if you need to, by the bios changelogs
[16:10] <jim88> PSI-Jack: yeah, your probably right
[16:10] <jim88> PSI-Jack: I am not sure how to check them
[16:10] <Psi-Jack> Not probably.
[16:10] <Psi-Jack> I am right.
[16:10] <JP-sNL3> Psi-Jack: i do not want to deprive you of your sleep, mate... someone else want to help me with my wireless problem?: all is detected/installed, device runs, but i think it is the wifi on/off button or somesuch
[16:11] <jim88> PSI-Jack: I understand
[16:11] <jim88> PSI-Jack: so how to I look at the changelogs?
[16:11] <Psi-Jack> jim88: Gateway's site where you found them.
[16:12] <jim88> PSI-Jack: found what? I am not sure what you are asking me
[16:12] <Psi-Jack> The bios update you want to flash.
[16:13] <RurouniJones> jim88: You really son't want to
[16:13] <jim88> PSI-Jack: well, I found the original information of where the PC was bought from and I can see the info but not sure of the bios update info
[16:13] <RurouniJones> Only change a BIOS if doing so will fix an issue you are currently gaving
[16:13] <jim88> PSI-Jack: you are right
[16:13] <Psi-Jack> jim88: Then you don't need it.
[16:14] <jim88> PSI-Jack: you talked me out of it :)
[16:14] <RurouniJones> Upadting a bios because you can leads to pain an misery
[16:14] <RurouniJones> Why can't I spell tonigh
[16:15] <jim88> RurouniJones: you are right but I do need to learn how to do it
[16:15] <jim88> RurouniJones: and or understand when I need to do it
[16:15] <jim88> PSI-Jack: the old saying ... leave well enough alone
[16:16] <RurouniJones> I have had to flash a bios...once in 15 years
[16:16] <jim88> RurouniJones: how did you know you needed it?
[16:17] <RurouniJones> When windows 2000 wouldn't boot up
[16:17] <RurouniJones> and searching on the internet said that the mobo BIOS version on the PC only worked in the 9x series
[16:17] <BluesKaj> enabling and diasabling/changing hardware options in the BIOS doesn't a flash upgrade
[16:17] <BluesKaj> need
[16:17] <jim88> RurouniJones: you shouldn't swear like that lolololo saying "Windows in here"
[16:18] <usman> :)
[16:18] <RurouniJones> BluesKaj: I wasn't in the setup or boot menu :)
[16:18] <BluesKaj> RurouniJones, peripherals perhaps
[16:18] <RurouniJones> Was a bugger to hunt down the file as well, DELL told me to get stuffed when I asked if they had it.
[16:18] <RurouniJones> Nope
[16:19] <BluesKaj> RurouniJones, nice support :(
[16:19] <RurouniJones> Well the machine shipped with 98 and I wanted to install 2k on it.
[16:19] <BluesKaj> ahh an oldie
[16:19] <RurouniJones> And it was a consumer sale, not business. The best they could offer was an "engineer" to come and install the original 98....
[16:20] <RurouniJones> oh yea, this was a long time ago
[16:20] <jim88> so RurouniJones BluesKaj and Psi-Jack:  for my peace of mind and others who may be on here ... when should we be looking to update the bios?
[16:21] <RurouniJones> When something utterly doesn't work
[16:21] <RurouniJones> and the only things online you can find to fix it say "Update the bios"
[16:21] <BluesKaj> no particular timetable jim88, only when the mobo mfg or BIOS requires upgrading
[16:21] <wikki> anyone here use wubi?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> tried wubi..too restrictve
[16:24] <wikki> oh
[16:24] <BluesKaj> wikki, it may serve your purposes however
[16:24] <BluesKaj> dunno what you need it for
[16:24] <wikki> I wonder if it will work on my truecrypt encrypted windows partition
[16:24] <wikki> probably not
[16:25] <wikki> maybe i'll just install it on my usb disk
[16:25] <BluesKaj> wikki, why not just give linux it's own partition ?
[16:26] <wikki> well i'm not going to be using it that much on my laptop
[16:27] <Piet> hi
[16:27] <wikki> hey piet
[16:27] <Piet> hey :D
[16:27] <The-Compiler> How can Autostart something when KDE starts up (w/o using the sessions?)
[16:27] <Piet> is this the place where i have to say that i like KDE :D
[16:27] <wikki> yes
[16:28] <cuznt> absolutely
[16:29] <BluesKaj> wikki, is it windows Vista on your laptop?
[16:29] <wikki> no, it's xp
[16:30] <BluesKaj> then you can run wubi with fewer probs
[16:31] <BluesKaj> vista is a pita
[16:31] <wikki> i'm running truecrypt system encryption though
[16:32] <wikki> so it won't work
[16:32] <jim88> so RurouniJones BluesKaj and Psi-Jack:  thanks guys
[16:32] <BluesKaj> We have a vista laptop for travelling .. no point putting linux on it just for checking email and some surfing
[16:32] <cuznt> !wubi
[16:32] <cuznt> nah
[16:33]  * cuznt is done with windowz. after finding my lic expired with my processor
[16:33] <Piet> opensuse 11.1 released today
[16:33] <wikki> I have a lot of security tools that I like to run, currently I have a usb disk that runs backtrack3
[16:34] <wikki> i'll just install kubuntu on another usb disk
[16:34] <wikki> no big deal
[16:34] <wathek_> any one know if there's a repo where I can find Qt4.5 ? I mean the beta version
[16:35] <dabbler> installed KDE2 today...but where is the 'command run' ?
[16:35] <dabbler> KDE4
[16:35] <Piet> alt+f2 ?
[16:36] <Piet> or you mean the thing at the desktop
[16:36] <Piet> thats gone
[16:37] <Piet> webKit will be in qt 4.5
[16:37] <Piet> so we'll get a very fast konqueror :D
[16:40] <wathek_> Piet, you know Qt 4.5 beta is out
[16:40] <Piet> yea?
[16:40] <wathek_> yes
[16:41] <wathek_> I'm looking for a repo for that
[16:41] <Piet> hmm
[16:41] <g_> hey is kde 4.2 beta 2 out? has anyone upgraded with it?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> my pc is a 3 yr old Compaq Presario desktop ...wonder if there's a way to boot it with a USB drive ?
[16:41] <Piet> i dont know a ubuntu repo
[16:41] <szrhawaii> can anyone tell me how to fix this problem
[16:41] <Piet> maybe you could try compiling it
[16:41] <szrhawaii> ubuntu.pastebin.com
[16:41] <wathek_> Piet, you're kidding ?
[16:41] <wathek_> compling it will take a long time
[16:41] <Piet> no :p
[16:42] <szrhawaii> http://www.ubuntu.pastebin.com
[16:42] <BluesKaj> g_, yes I'm running it as we speak ...it's seems fine
[16:42] <Pici> szrhawaii: You need to give us the link after you paste and submit your data.
[16:44] <The-Compiler> sorry about the join-leave flood | Sorry wegen dem join-leave flood
[16:45] <szrhawaii> http://www.ubuntu.pastebin.com/m37cdf89e
[16:45] <szrhawaii> sorry had to write it out cause it wouldnt cut and paste
[16:46] <Piet> hee
[16:47] <szrhawaii> the error comes up every time i close dolphin
[16:47] <Piet> try chmod YOURUSERNAME /home/USERNAME * -R
[16:47] <szrhawaii> ok
[16:47] <szrhawaii> is that my username twice or just where the file name is
[16:47] <Piet> just ur username
[16:47] <Piet> so twice
[16:48] <szrhawaii> ok
[16:48] <szrhawaii> says no such file
[16:48] <Piet> chmod YOURUSERNAME /home/USERNAME/* -R
[16:49] <Piet> sorry
[16:49] <Pici> chmod won't do anything here.
[16:49] <Piet> what will then?
[16:49] <Pici> szrhawaii: sudo chown -R <username>:<username> /home/<username>
[16:49] <Piet> oh of course
[16:49] <szrhawaii> still nothing
[16:50] <Piet> it was chown, not chmod, sorry :p
[16:50] <szrhawaii> its chmod /home/username/home/username
[16:50] <szrhawaii> oh chown
[16:50] <szrhawaii> ok
[16:51] <szrhawaii> nope still nothing
[16:52] <Piet> chown piet /home/piet/* -R
[16:52] <Piet> but with your own username
[16:52] <Piet> chown username /home/<username>/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml
[16:55] <szrhawaii> it says missing operand after the input
[16:57] <Piet> then i dont know how to fix this...
[16:57] <Piet> chown never failed me :p
[16:57] <szrhawaii> is it an error i can manually do without terminal but through the gui
[16:58] <BluesKaj> hmm chmod +x ?
[16:59] <szrhawaii> is that your recommendation
[16:59] <BluesKaj> suggestion
[16:59] <szrhawaii> ok ill try
[16:59] <szrhawaii> i got nothing
[16:59] <BluesKaj> no error ...good
[16:59] <Pici> szrhawaii: Are you putting the angle brackets in when you type the command?
[17:01] <cuznt> what is the diff between chmod and chown?
[17:01] <Piet> chmod changes permissions for a file
[17:01] <Piet> chown changes the owner
[17:01] <szrhawaii> nope
[17:01] <szrhawaii> chmod sounds more familiar here
[17:01] <cuznt> ty
[17:01] <Piet> np ;)
[17:02] <Guest4014> amarok doesnt play anything.. which package containt the right audio codecs??
[17:02] <jedix> where can I change my keyboard mapping of caps to ctrl in 4.1?
[17:02] <szrhawaii> also can anyone tell me how to extract a iso image without burining it
[17:02] <szrhawaii> i did it before i just forgot
[17:02] <Piet> ubuntu-restricted-extras has some codecs i believe
[17:02] <Guest4014> with k3b you can say "only create an image"
[17:02] <Guest4014> just before the burning process
[17:03] <BluesKaj> Guest4014, sudo aptitude install libxine1-ffmpeg
[17:03] <szrhawaii> i just got an error when i opened my k3b also
[17:03] <Guest4014> thanks blueskaj
[17:03] <BluesKaj> np
[17:03] <dabbler> BTW alt-F2 does work ty
[17:04] <dabbler> for command line
[17:04] <Piet> no problem ;)
[17:04] <szrhawaii> im locked out of my home file now
[17:04] <dabbler> but no menu entry like KDE3?
[17:04] <Piet> no :( (not that i remember)
[17:06] <szrhawaii> is there a faster way to unlock my folders instead of manually changing the read only permissions
[17:07] <Piet> umm
[17:07] <Piet> create a new user
[17:08] <szrhawaii> nah
[17:08] <szrhawaii> whatever code i used locked me out
[17:08] <szrhawaii> ill just do it manually
[17:10] <Guest4014> is there somone using compiz with kubuntu 8.10 and with windows refresh problems??
[17:11] <Guest4014> I want to know if is a general problem or only me :-(
[17:11] <BluesKaj> szrhawaii, chmod +rw ~/home/username
[17:11] <szrhawaii> what does that do
[17:11] <Vermux> how do I check what version of kubuntu I have in konsole?
[17:11] <BluesKaj> maybe a sudo in front
[17:12] <szrhawaii> Vermux kmenu>system>konsole
[17:12] <BluesKaj> it gives read write permissions to your homefolder
[17:12] <szrhawaii> i already unlocked them manually
[17:12] <szrhawaii> yeah i did that
[17:12] <szrhawaii> just the old fashion way
[17:12] <Vermux> szrhawaii: and then what...?
[17:13] <szrhawaii> you wanted to see if you had konsole right
[17:13] <szrhawaii> oh you want to check the version
[17:14] <BluesKaj> Vermux,lsb_release -a
[17:14] <szrhawaii> i forget its like something and konsole at the end
[17:14] <szrhawaii> you can always check your package manager its the hard way but it works too
[17:14] <Vermux> waht's the default ubuntu user passwd when booting from a cd? I want to change the password for the ubuntu user
[17:14] <szrhawaii> are you trying to do root
[17:15] <szrhawaii> if your doing what i think your doing there is non
[17:15] <szrhawaii> if yours doesnt work
[17:15] <szrhawaii> try going to kmenu>system>package manager
[17:15] <szrhawaii> then type in konsole and look at details
[17:29] <g_> hey guys Ive been having a serious bug lately
[17:30] <g_> I can't seem to find it on the launchpad bugs
[17:31] <g_> when i have a regular work load going of just firefox open with a few tabs and google earth or after running kubuntu for a while
[17:31] <g_> it locks up and one of my laptop buttons flashes
[17:31] <g_> Im updated to the latest of everything
[17:31] <g_> its gotten a bit better since some of the upgrades
[17:37] <szrhawaii> i have extra features in my boot grub besides the standard generic ones does anyone know what the files are called in the grub feature
[17:37] <szrhawaii> is it kernel-headers or something
[17:43] <avihayb> I'm starting to develop a haterate for kubuntu's package maintainers
[17:43]  * genii sips and catches up on scroll
[17:45] <avihayb> I have a problem with my network manager
[17:45] <avihayb> it stoped showing up on my taskbar, and I don't have any way of accessing it
[17:47] <avihayb> I use the network-manager-gnome, since network-manager-kde actualy forcebly disconnects me from the network connection set up by the basic networking thingy
[17:48] <avihayb> and doesn't let me connect to anything
[17:49] <avihayb> I switched to the gnome nm, and everything was dandi untill I let it upgrade the network-manager package
[17:51] <julito_> an what happend?
[17:53] <g_> Hey where's the binary package information for the kde 4.2 beta 2 someone forgot to put it on the page announcing and telling people to download below
[17:54] <g_> lol
[17:55] <g_> I want to upgrade to the 4.2 beta 2
[17:58] <HappySmileMan> g_: Doubt packages will be available yet, maybe a day or two, unless you've heard otherwise, I don't know for sure, just usually takes a few days to get packaged
[17:58] <BluesKaj> g_, you need the kde4.2 beta ppa repositories in your sources.list then do a sudo apt-get update
[17:59] <urmas_> Hi all
[18:00] <BluesKaj> g_, add these to your sources.list , then save the file and sudo apt-get update.
[18:00] <BluesKaj> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-updates-testing/ubuntu intrepid main
[18:00] <BluesKaj> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-updates-testing/ubuntu intrepid main
[18:09] <COMMODORE64> ok.
[18:09] <COMMODORE64> How can I install Synaptic Package Manager? It don't comes with Kubuntu 8.10
[18:12] <COMMODORE64> anyone?
[18:12] <bazhang> COMMODORE64, sudo apt-get install packagename
[18:13] <COMMODORE64> i got two errors
[18:13] <COMMODORE64> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[18:13] <COMMODORE64> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[18:13] <COMMODORE64> is there any way i can install it on offline?
[18:13] <bazhang> COMMODORE64, close all instances of apt
[18:14] <COMMODORE64> whoops
[18:14] <COMMODORE64> stupid adept ^^
[18:14] <COMMODORE64> thank you :)
[18:14] <bazhang> yep :) its adept's fault
[18:14] <COMMODORE64> so
[18:15] <COMMODORE64> if i'm offline without internet connection, and i got the package from this site http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/i386/synaptic/download
[18:15] <COMMODORE64> How can i install it?
[18:15] <bazhang> apt-cache search synaptic for the correct name
[18:15] <COMMODORE64> thank you very much :)
[18:15] <COMMODORE64> lastly.
[18:16] <COMMODORE64> When i logs off, why do i notices a lines of artifacts moving on my right of laptop screen?
[18:16] <COMMODORE64> was it about the Xorg driver?
[18:16] <COMMODORE64> from*
[18:16] <bazhang> COMMODORE64, is compiz enabled? what version of ubuntu/kubuntu?
[18:18] <COMMODORE64> I'm running Kubunto 8.10.
[18:18] <bazhang> COMMODORE64, what video card what driver how installed
[18:19] <COMMODORE64> No idea. I'm running Dell Inspiron 6400 ( E1505 ) on Ati Radeon x1400. I haven't installed the video card driver and all any kinids of drivers yet.
[18:19] <COMMODORE64> I installed Kubuntu yesterday.
[18:19] <bazhang> COMMODORE64, check in hardware drivers there should be one there for you
[18:19] <COMMODORE64> and it seem to reconize my intel 4965AGN card automatically, but im getting bad connections.
[18:20] <COMMODORE64> so im trying to install the wifi driver, and i'm stuck with synaptic, so that
[18:20] <COMMODORE64> 's why im here ;)
[18:20] <bazhang> COMMODORE64, well if you installed it yesterday there are a ton of updates waiting :)
[18:21] <COMMODORE64> I know. I would like to deal with this problematic 4965AGN driver first, because i'm getting plenty of lags on this irc, and as well as slow connection ( Compares with fast connection on vista )
[18:21] <COMMODORE64> by the way, i'm on dual booting with vista also
[18:21] <COMMODORE64> ;)
[18:21] <COMMODORE64> decides its time to get used to linux in case something happens with windoz ;)
[18:21] <bazhang> that has no effect; updated is generally better though
[18:22] <bazhang> run the updates, then worry about specific fixer uppers and customization later :)
[18:22] <gekkoo> anybody using gnash + konqueror 64-bit? if i install konqueror-gnash-plugin it only installs 2 changelogs..
[18:22] <DaSkreech> COMMODORE64: Hi
[18:24] <Colonel_Panic> I'm getting another error here
[18:24] <Colonel_Panic> if I try to kdesudo any KDE app, I get this error: "Could not start process Cannot talk to klauncher: the name org.kde.klauncher was not provided by any .service files."
[18:25] <COMMODORE64> Hi DaSkreech
[18:25] <COMMODORE64> ok will do, bazhang.
[18:25] <alonea> this is probably a stupid question, but I seem to have confused myself. How would I repartition my drive? or would i have to burn a disk and boot with it and use that to repart? is there a way to do it without a disk? a termial login or something?
[18:25] <DaSkreech> hi alonea How are you?
[18:25] <alonea> DaSkreech: fried
[18:25] <alonea> DaSkreech: but generally happy
[18:26] <DaSkreech> I'll have a large drink. Would you like alonea with that? Yes thank you
[18:26] <Colonel_Panic> alonea: when I did that, I used PartedMagic
[18:26] <DaSkreech> alonea: Which drive are you repartitioning ?
[18:27] <alonea> DaSkreech: hey! I am a taken girl here. Well, I only have one harddrive, but wanted to split my /home partition. I need another ntfs space for work.
[18:27] <DaSkreech> alonea: So I can't be taken with you :(
[18:27] <alonea> DaSkreech: sorry dear.
[18:28] <DaSkreech> alonea: Should be doable without external tools
[18:28] <DaSkreech> I wouldn't recommend repartitioning / but another section of the hard drive shouldn't be beyond the powers of Gparted
[18:29] <alonea> DaSkreech: oh no, leaving root alone, but my /home part should be ok right?
[18:29] <DawnLight> hey. what checks for updates and informs me? it seems to not be working
[18:29] <DaSkreech> In theory yes as long as you resize and don't delete it
[18:29] <alonea> yeah.
[18:30] <cumulus007> hi, are there already  KDE 4.1.85 available in the testing repo?
[18:30] <DaSkreech> Also depends on how you have your logical/ primary partitions laid out
[18:30] <alonea> DaSkreech: I have noooooo idea.
[18:30] <DaSkreech>  I have about 100 GBs of space on my HDD I can't use
[18:30] <DaSkreech> cumulus007: Officially no
[18:31] <cumulus007> and unofficialy :)
[18:31] <alonea> DaSkreech: no one ever explained to me what logical primary stuff meant. i do know I screwed up my windows once when I resized
[18:31] <DaSkreech> >_>
[18:31] <DaSkreech> <_<
[18:31] <DaSkreech> yes but shhhhh It's just between me and you
[18:31] <COMMODORE64> alonea
[18:32] <DaSkreech> alonea: by random decree a hard drive can only have 4 partitions
[18:32] <COMMODORE64> never resize the bootingg hard drive with windows
[18:32] <alonea> but that was ages ago
[18:32] <COMMODORE64> Bad experience for me.
[18:32] <alonea> and I reformatted all and went back to xp
[18:32] <alonea> DaSkreech: oh...it can't have more?
[18:32] <DaSkreech> Those 4 are called primary and all are possible to be bootable
[18:32] <DaSkreech> Correct
[18:33] <DaSkreech> Once people realised this was stupid they made another decree
[18:33] <alonea> DaSkreech: well, then I can't part. I already have 4. one ntfs, one swap, and two ext3 (root and home)
[18:33] <DaSkreech> You can designate a primary partition to be "exenteded"
[18:33] <DaSkreech> Extended even
[18:33] <dennister> howdy channel
[18:33] <alonea> DaSkreech: ok.
[18:33] <DawnLight> howdy
[18:33] <DaSkreech> inside an extended partition you can make 255 more partitions
[18:33] <alonea> ok.
[18:34] <DaSkreech> These are all called "logical:
[18:34] <DaSkreech> "
[18:34] <Colonel_Panic> Anybody Whenever I try to kdesudo any KDE app, I get this error: "Could not start process Cannot talk to klauncher: the name org.kde.klauncher was not provided by any .service files."
[18:34] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: Any app?
[18:34] <dennister> other people finding flash 10 a pain?
[18:34] <DaSkreech> hi DawnLight
[18:34] <DaSkreech> hi dennister
[18:34] <dennister> DaSkreech: hi back :-)
[18:35] <DawnLight> i don't get notifications for package upgrades automatically for some reason. why is this?
[18:35] <DaSkreech> alonea: you can tell if you have an extended partition with logical ones inside if you have a file called /dev/sda5
[18:35] <alonea> DaSkreech: ok. so my /home has 53 gigs unused, and I want to make 30gigs separate. how would I go about this, and can I make my home extended now?
[18:36] <DaSkreech> Dunno check if you have /dev/sdb5
[18:36] <Colonel_Panic> DaSkreech: well I know it always happens with Dolphin
[18:36] <alonea> DaSkreech: no. only /dec/sda1-4
[18:37] <Colonel_Panic> Kate seems to work OK
[18:37] <DaSkreech> alonea: Ow yeah you need a back up solution then one of those paritions have to be destroyed
[18:37] <Foodcoman> Morning.
[18:37] <dennister> solved flash 10 issues; now looking for advice on 2 things; 1) am about to do another installation of mythtv, and I'm a bit rusty...used to doing it the old-fashioned way with ubuntu-server first, then painfully doing the lamp, mysql, mythtv stuff one at a time...has anyone found the mythbuntu method of installation, from the mini-izo method, work well?
[18:38] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: Ha ha I get that error but it's written inside of dolphin
[18:38] <alonea> DaSkreech: ok. probably my /home, and I got an external 500 gig drive.
[18:38] <Colonel_Panic> yes
[18:38] <dennister> *mini.iso
[18:38] <DaSkreech> !mythtv
[18:38] <Colonel_Panic> OK well how about this: screw KDE4 entirely
[18:38] <Colonel_Panic> just go back to KDE 3.5
[18:38] <alonea> DaSkreech: ok, so back up /home. and then what?
[18:38] <Foodcoman> KDE 4.2 Beta 2 is sure pretty.
[18:39] <DaSkreech> alonea: ok can you give me the output of sudo fdisk -l and mount  ?
[18:39] <Tm_T> Foodcoman: and already "old" (;)
[18:39] <Colonel_Panic> I'm having lots of trouble with KDE 4
[18:39] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: Does konqueror work?
[18:39] <Colonel_Panic> just, lots of glitchiness and headaches
[18:39] <jtechidna> DaSkreech: dude, kde 4.2 has been officially released
[18:39] <Psycho_Sonic> um, I'm having a bit of a problem with the Trial part of Kubuntu
[18:39] <jtechidna> :D
[18:39] <DaSkreech> jtechidna: No it hasn't
[18:40] <Tm_T> jtechidna: 4.2 beta 2
[18:40] <Colonel_Panic> that's an idea, since it's a well-known fact that Dolphin sucks a bag of dicks
[18:40] <Psycho_Sonic> the disc is fine, I ran the check
[18:40] <jtechidna> Tm_T: yes, beta2
[18:40] <Colonel_Panic> one sec, lemme try Konqueror
[18:40] <jtechidna> DaSkreech: check kde.org, beta2 has been released
[18:40] <Tm_T> jtechidna: totally different than 4.2
[18:40] <alonea> DaSkreech: going to pm you
[18:40] <jtechidna> that's not what I meant :P
[18:40] <Psycho_Sonic> but, it froze when loading
[18:40] <Tm_T> jtechidna: but what you said =)
[18:40] <jtechidna> [13:30:00] <cumulus007> hi, are there already  KDE 4.1.85 available in the testing repo?
[18:40] <DaSkreech> alonea: pastebin it
[18:41] <pucko-> Colonel_Panic: I thought so too when I used kde3, but dolphin works much better in kde4
[18:41] <jtechidna> [13:31:29] <DaSkreech> yes but shhhhh It's just between me and you
[18:41] <dennister> oh, ok, new channel specifically for that...thx ...2) more of a hardware issue that I want to solve once and for all before the kunbuntu installation gets started...cpu overheating issue...have reapplied the thermal grease twice now, recently replaced the heatsink/fan, increasing the fan amp from .08A to .12A...still too hot I believe, for a p3 866MHz processor
[18:41] <alonea> DaSkreech: ok, will do that too. gimmie a sec
[18:41] <Psycho_Sonic> Kubuntu keeps freezing when I try to run it from the disc
[18:41] <DaSkreech> jtechidna: its not in the topic :)
[18:42] <alonea> http://pastebin.com/m5a46b396
[18:42] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: Where?
[18:42] <Psycho_Sonic> it just freezes once I get to KDE
[18:42] <Psycho_Sonic> once the background loads and I see the HDD icon
[18:42] <Psycho_Sonic> then everything stops and my lights for CAPS and NumLock start flashing
[18:42] <hyper_ch> huhu
[18:42] <DaSkreech> ah. Mine used to freeze there too..
[18:43] <cumulus007> yes, there are updates, wohoo
[18:43] <Psycho_Sonic> any ideas?
[18:43] <cumulus007> dpkg was broken due to koffice :|
[18:43] <DaSkreech> alonea:  and mount
[18:43] <cumulus007> so I couldn't update
[18:43] <alonea> DaSkreech: http://pastebin.com/m61f24405
[18:44] <COMMODORE64> bazhang:  thank you for your help, i'll come back when i need more help
[18:44] <bazhang> COMMODORE64, see you soon :)
[18:44] <COMMODORE64> oh and
[18:44] <COMMODORE64> Im just confused
[18:44] <Psycho_Sonic> anyone have an idea to help me?
[18:44] <COMMODORE64> There's two kubuntu channels
[18:45] <COMMODORE64> one is in irc.ubuntu.com and one is in irc.freenode.net?
[18:45] <bazhang> the offtopic one?
[18:45] <Psycho_Sonic> like, does my computer just not like the trial part of Kubuntu?
[18:45] <COMMODORE64> i doubt it.
[18:45] <jpds> COMMODORE64: Both the same.
[18:45] <COMMODORE64> Hmm.t hank you :)
[18:45] <bazhang> Psycho_Sonic, it freezes?
[18:45] <jpds> irc.u.c points to irc.f.n.
[18:45] <Psycho_Sonic> yeah
[18:45] <Psycho_Sonic> it happened both times i tried
[18:46] <Psycho_Sonic> first time, it got through the loading bar, then froze at the balck screen
[18:46] <bazhang> did you md5 the iso, run the disk integrity check after burning at low speed?
[18:46] <Psycho_Sonic> yeah
[18:46] <Mamarok> emonkey: ping
[18:46] <bdgraue> if i try to install an nvidia driver in jaunty, it will remove the complete xserver-xorg? any idea why? known problem? maybe a "feature"? :)
[18:46] <Psycho_Sonic> i ran the disc check, it was fine
[18:46] <Psycho_Sonic> second time it froze as soon as KDE came up
[18:46] <bazhang> and you md5 the iso before burning?
[18:46] <Psycho_Sonic> um
[18:46] <Psycho_Sonic> >_>
[18:46] <Mamarok> oops, wrong channel :/
[18:46] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Root+Actions+Servicemenu?content=48411
[18:47] <Omoikane_> is there something for ubuntu that is equivalent to the desktop icon container in KDE4?
[18:47] <Psycho_Sonic> how do I check the hash?
[18:47] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: What video card?
[18:47] <Psycho_Sonic> eh
[18:47] <bazhang> Psycho_Sonic, which os are you burning it on?
[18:47] <Psycho_Sonic> some crappy one, let me check
[18:47] <Psycho_Sonic> i'm on XP
[18:47] <bazhang> !md5
[18:47] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: Did you try the safe video mode ?
[18:48] <bazhang> there is a link there ^^ Psycho_Sonic
[18:48] <dennister> that's wild...just used the google search window to find something, and all i got was an "F" icon on the page...had to close that icon before I could do anything(!) else
[18:48] <Psycho_Sonic> Intel 82852/82855 GM/GME Graphics Controller
[18:48] <dennister> anyone see that before?
[18:48] <Psycho_Sonic> checking link now
[18:48] <Psycho_Sonic> and i don't know how to safe-video-mode
[18:49] <alonea> DaSkreech: ok, backing up /home since it has kinda a lot of important stuff. and got rid of a good 20 gigs of stuff I didn't need. ^_^
[18:49] <dennister> this is driving me nuts!!!
[18:49] <DaSkreech> The google search window ?
[18:50] <DaSkreech> alonea: Oh you carry a lot of bgage :)
[18:50] <DaSkreech> baggage
[18:50] <dennister> this blasted "f" icon in google...now it's turning up and preventing me from doing anything when i type in a url to the url window
[18:51] <jewel> how to register an irc account?
[18:51] <dennister> what the heck is it?
[18:51] <DaSkreech> !register | jewel
[18:51] <alonea> DaSkreech: well, I was attempting to get GWAR and WOW to work, but they didn't cause of my intel vid card.
[18:51] <DaSkreech> dennister: I have no idea what you are talking about
[18:51] <DaSkreech> !wow
[18:52] <Omoikane_> is there something for ubuntu that is equivalent to the desktop icon container in KDE4?
[18:52] <cumulus007> !wow
[18:52] <cumulus007> !list
[18:52] <alonea> well, the problem is my driver. I get 3d just fine in linux, but my xserver crashes on pretty much anything in wine.
[18:52] <Psycho_Sonic> whoawhoa
[18:52] <DaSkreech> alonea: you have your swap on the outer edge of the disk? that's strange
[18:52] <Psycho_Sonic> i'm confused about the md5sum
[18:53] <Psycho_Sonic> i downloaded the exe into the system32
[18:53] <Psycho_Sonic> i'm at command prompt
[18:53] <alonea> DaSkreech: ^^;;;;;
[18:53] <Psycho_Sonic> do i have to download another md5?
[18:53] <dennister> DaSkreech: perhaps you haven't seen it, but perhaps someone else has: when you type anything into the firefox url bar, or the Google search bar, a small icon/window with an 'F' in the titlebar shows up in the middle of firefox, and absolutely nothing happens until you close it
[18:54] <dennister> this is almost totally crippling firefox itself
[18:54] <Psycho_Sonic> ah, i see
[18:54] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: type md5sum.exe C;\path\to\the\file.iso
[18:55] <Psycho_Sonic> oh, ok
[18:55] <Psycho_Sonic> thank ya
[18:55] <Psycho_Sonic> doing now
[18:55] <alonea> DaSkreech: Where should the swap be? is there a problem with it at the end?
[18:56] <DaSkreech> alonea: No problem just a slower end of the drive. Honestly makes little difference noa days I'm an old crank so I'm used to making sure it's in the first two partitions for speed
[18:57] <dennister> has anyone else seen this firefox-crippling effect
[18:57] <DaSkreech> alonea: Regardless you may want to swap it with sda3 when you destroy it
[18:57] <dennister> ???
[18:57] <alonea> DaSkreech: alright.
[18:57] <Colonel_Panic> well Konqueror appears to work
[18:57] <DaSkreech> dennister: Nope check in  #ubuntu as well more people there use firefox
[18:57] <pucko-> is there an exposé-like function in kde4?
[18:57] <DaSkreech> alonea: That way you can play with space in sda5-* more freely
[18:57] <alonea> DaSkreech: I just didn't want it first since I rememer XP being cranky about it not being first or something.
[18:57] <DaSkreech> pucko-: ctrl+F9
[18:57] <DawnLight> i've now numeral updates i'm looking at in... adept. but i can't see no package changes in the interface. is there anything?
[18:57] <Psycho_Sonic> um
[18:58] <Psycho_Sonic> where do I download the iso's md5?
[18:58] <dennister> ok...
[18:58] <Psycho_Sonic> i'm not seeing it on the kubuntu site
[18:58] <DaSkreech> alonea: Yeah that's why I said first two Silly crybaby tantrum throwing windows
[18:58] <pucko-> thanks
[18:58] <Colonel_Panic> hehe once again, Dolphin proves itself to be a piece of crap
[18:58] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: one second it's 8.10 right ?
[18:58] <Omoikane_> does KDE work on ubuntu?
[18:58] <minus18_pundit>  how to change resolution from terminal?
[18:58] <DaSkreech> xrandr
[18:59] <DaSkreech> !kde | Omoikane_
[18:59] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/8.10/release/MD5SUMS
[18:59] <Colonel_Panic> I think I might try using "Ebuntu"
[18:59] <Psycho_Sonic> DaSkreech: yeah, 8.10
[18:59] <Psycho_Sonic> thanks
[18:59] <Colonel_Panic> Kubuntu with Enlightenment
[18:59] <alonea> DaSkreech: yeah.
[18:59] <minus18_pundit> kde works fine on ubuntu, at least it has been doing fine for me
[18:59] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: They have one now?
[18:59] <pucko-> Colonel_Panic: why?
[18:59] <Colonel_Panic> or Flubuntu Kubuntu with Fluxbox
[18:59] <DaSkreech> i was trying for years to get one established
[19:00] <DaSkreech> #fluxbuntu
[19:00] <chris062689> !kpilot
[19:00] <Colonel_Panic> I mean Ubuntu with Fluxbox
[19:00] <alonea> DaSkreech: ok, how do I empty my trash in kde4? not seeing a button for it anywhere
[19:00] <Colonel_Panic> I'm getting real disillusioned with KDE
[19:00] <DaSkreech> !info kpilot
[19:00] <DaSkreech> Ooooh
[19:00] <Colonel_Panic> click the trash icon
[19:00] <chris062689> I <3 my KDE 4.2 Beta 2 install.
[19:00] <Psycho_Sonic> dammit. Sorry about my noobness, but
[19:00] <alonea> Colonel_Panic: thats the problem. I don't have one.
[19:00] <chris062689> Only a few widgets crash Plasma, other than that, it's been completely stable.
[19:00] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: Fluxbox actually works really nicely with KDE :)
[19:01] <Psycho_Sonic> how do I save this md5?
[19:01] <Foodcoman> Anyone using KDE 4.2 Beta?  Installing Widgets, gives me, "Could not find requested component"
[19:01] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: No problem it's weird the first time
[19:01] <Colonel_Panic> hehe
[19:01] <minus18_pundit>  how to change resolution from terminal?
[19:01] <chris062689> Foodcoman: I haven't tried installing any widgets, don't know, sorry.
[19:01] <Colonel_Panic> they're touting 4.2 as the miracle that's gong to fix all the buggy crap in KDE 4
[19:01] <Psycho_Sonic> so, what do I do with this md5?
[19:01] <alonea> Colonel_Panic: and its under places. and it loads and i see the stuff in the trash, but nothing about emptying it
[19:01] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: Download the file it;s a text file with listings in there
[19:01] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: They never did
[19:01] <Psycho_Sonic> do I save it to a text file?
[19:01] <Psycho_Sonic> ah, ok
[19:01] <chris062689> Colonel_Panic: KDE 4 Beta 2 is extremely stable.
[19:01] <Colonel_Panic> why not select all and delete?
[19:02] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: They said it was roughly parity with KDE3 and would be usable for most people
[19:02] <chris062689> I haven't had anything but Plasma crash yet, and that's due to only one widget.
[19:02] <alonea> Colonel_Panic: last time I did that, at least in kde3, bad things happened...it reput it in the trash and locked it or some crazy stuff
[19:02] <DaSkreech> chris062689: Which widget ?
[19:02] <Colonel_Panic> that's weird
[19:02] <Foodcoman> chris062689: Thanks, I just tried to add weather or dictionary to desktop most widgets complain.
[19:02] <chris062689> I think the Comic Book, which really sucks, since I wanted to look at 8-bit.
[19:02] <Black_Monkey> Colonel_Panic: is it as stable as 4.1?
[19:02] <alonea> actually, I should make my trash a blackhole. I have been meaning to, but forgot how
[19:02] <Colonel_Panic> heh I added calculator to the panel and it broke Plasma
[19:03] <Colonel_Panic> ever since, I've been getting lots of weird errors
[19:03] <chris062689> The only thing I don't like about KDE's theming system, they don't tell you which themes are designed for which version
[19:03] <chris062689> Since there was some major changes between KDE 4.1 and 4.2
[19:03] <DaSkreech> chris062689: Wait it crashes as soon as you add it?
[19:03] <Foodcoman> Analog clock works.
[19:03] <Psycho_Sonic> so, do i save the md5 as "kubuntu-yadda-iso.md5"?
[19:03] <chris062689> well, as soon as I try to configure it with 8bit thedure. (Wow I suck at spelling :D)
[19:03] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: which errors
[19:03] <Colonel_Panic> the comic strip would be cool if you could select whatever Web comic you wanted
[19:03] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: yea
[19:03] <Psycho_Sonic> ok
[19:04] <Colonel_Panic> \Dolphin won't work
[19:04] <Colonel_Panic> whenever I boot, the Pager in the panel breaks
[19:04] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: They were going to patch for that (I think they did early on but it's ahrd to do it in a nice way)
[19:04] <Colonel_Panic> doesn't show all the desktops
[19:04] <chris062689> Colonel_Panic: Theres a ton of comics in there.
[19:04] <DaSkreech> chris062689: Do they still make 8 bit ?
[19:04] <Colonel_Panic> I have to remove it and replace it
[19:04] <Foodcoman> Cant find comic book on mine.
[19:04] <alonea> woah! what is this?!!!! I use my google bar in firefox and it brings up some white box now.
[19:04] <DaSkreech> dennister: Seeee ?
[19:04] <Colonel_Panic> there's like, 5
[19:05] <Foodcoman> Comic Book :  "Could not find requested component"
[19:05] <alonea> *growls*
[19:05] <Colonel_Panic> I saw like 5 comics in there
[19:05] <Colonel_Panic> when I installed it, Garfield came up
[19:05] <dennister> alonea: yep...driving me nuts, too
[19:05] <minus18_pundit>  how to change resolution from terminal?
[19:05] <DaSkreech> xkcd :)
[19:05] <alonea> dennister: when did this start?
[19:05] <chris062689> It's still in Beta 2, I'm sure all of these bugs will be worked out by the RC>
[19:05] <DaSkreech> minus18_pundit: look at xrandr
[19:06] <alonea> dennister: wasn't doing this before
[19:06] <chris062689> Give the widgets time to mature, remember, widgets are only a part of the overall KDE 4
[19:06] <dennister> alonea: just about 30 minutes ago
[19:06] <alonea> dennister: maybe from one of the updates today?
[19:06] <Colonel_Panic> I was hoping to see some of my favorites, like Achewood, VGcats, Penny Arcade, Ctrl-Alt-Del...
[19:06] <DaSkreech> chris062689: #plasma was looking for crashes like that can you join the chan and give them a Bt ?
[19:06] <dennister> alonea: also happens when you type in a url in the url locator bar...
[19:07] <DaSkreech> What's achewood?
[19:07] <chris062689> I'm sure they already know about it.
[19:07] <alonea> dennister: ok, I can't live with this. at all.
[19:07] <Colonel_Panic> it's a Web comic
[19:07] <DaSkreech> chris062689: Ha ha What makes you sure?
[19:07] <Colonel_Panic> really strange and funny
[19:07] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: Right duh :)
[19:07] <dennister> alonea: possibly...neither can I...it's almost cripping firefox as far as i'm concerned
[19:07] <alonea> dennister: the question is, is it a firefox update that caused it, or something else?
[19:07] <Psycho_Sonic> wut. no such file or directory
[19:08] <Colonel_Panic> I think I might switch to Fluxbuntu
[19:08] <Psycho_Sonic> ok, this is what i did
[19:08] <chris062689> I wish there was  firefox-kde package, installing JUST firefox makes it look fugly ;_;
[19:08] <dennister> alonea: not sure...let me check server
[19:08] <Colonel_Panic> I used to love Enlightenment
[19:08] <Psycho_Sonic> changed directory to the folder with the iso
[19:08] <Colonel_Panic> and Ice
[19:08] <Colonel_Panic> especially Enlightenment
[19:08] <Psycho_Sonic> oh
[19:08] <Psycho_Sonic> here we go, resultus
[19:08] <chris062689> brb
[19:08] <alonea> dennister: and my updates are still installing. kernel is configging
[19:08] <Psycho_Sonic> 1 of 2 listed files could not be read
[19:09] <Psycho_Sonic> 1 of 1 checksum did not match
[19:09] <Psycho_Sonic> :/
[19:09] <dennister> alonea: this window is NOT appearing on my other server, which I also updated this morning
[19:09] <Psycho_Sonic> i got it off the torrent on the Kubuntu download page
[19:09] <julito_> spanish anyone?
[19:09] <genii> !es | julito_
[19:10] <julito_> gracias amigo!
[19:10] <Colonel_Panic> no problemo!
[19:10] <alonea> dennister: my firefox wont even load now.
[19:10] <dennister> alonea: the only thing that's maing this window not quite qualifying as "totally crippling firefox" is that I can still hit 'home' and get the google home page for my searches
[19:10] <dennister> genii: help!!!!
[19:10] <Colonel_Panic> OK how do I go about upgrading to 4.2?
[19:11] <Colonel_Panic> KDE 4.2
[19:11] <genii> dennister: I gather your firefox has some issue
[19:11] <alonea> genii: I got same issue and now ff wont work at all
[19:11] <dennister> genii: not just mine; alonea's too
[19:11] <Colonel_Panic> if this doesn't work to my satisfaction, I'm dumping Kubuntu and switching to something else
[19:11] <alonea> genii: and it just started today
[19:11] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: e17 is nice :)
[19:11] <Colonel_Panic> dennister: yo might want to ask in irc.mozilla.org #firefox
[19:11] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: What command did you use ?
[19:11] <genii> alonea and dennister     this is on 8.10 or so?
[19:12] <alonea> Colonel_Panic: I used slack for a long time, but it requires more work on the driver side.
[19:12] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: It's in the topic
[19:12] <dennister> genii: nope, 9.04.1
[19:12] <Reptile> How can I play music in amarok which on an external drive
[19:12] <Colonel_Panic> yeah Slack is a hardware nightmare
[19:12] <dennister> *8
[19:12] <alonea> genii: dunno what version of kubuntu this is even
[19:12] <Reptile> which is on ..........
[19:12] <alonea> genii: where would I look
[19:12] <genii> dennister: For Jaunty, go to #ubuntu+1
[19:12] <Psycho_Sonic> i put in
[19:13] <dennister> genii: nope, i'm still on hardy...tried intrepid, no thanks
[19:13] <genii> alonea: lsb_release -a
[19:13] <genii> dennister: 9.04 is Jaunty, 8.04 would be Hardy
[19:13] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: try kquitapp plasma; mkdir ~/kde4backup && cp  -R ~/.kde/share/config ~/kde4backup && plasma
[19:13] <alonea> I got hardy
[19:13] <dennister> yes, i did a typo when i typed in 9
[19:13] <alonea> 8.04.2
[19:13] <Psycho_Sonic> md5sum -c "C:\location\kubuntu-iso.md5"
[19:13] <Psycho_Sonic> but
[19:14] <Colonel_Panic> DaSkreech: what does that do?
[19:14] <dennister> genii: do u need an overview of the issue? when you type anything into the firefox url bar, or the Google search bar, a small icon/window with an 'F' in the titlebar shows up in the middle of firefox, and absolutely nothing happens until you close it
[19:14] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: No you want to do it on the ISO
[19:14] <Colonel_Panic> sorry, don't mean to be a pain, I just like to understand exactly what I'm doing at the CLI
[19:14] <Psycho_Sonic> crap
[19:14] <Psycho_Sonic> sorry
[19:14] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: backsup your config files
[19:14] <Colonel_Panic> ok
[19:14] <DaSkreech> it closes plasma backs up your configs for KDE then restarts it
[19:14] <Colonel_Panic> so I'm quitting Plasma, backing up all its files
[19:14] <dennister> updated firefox on 2 servers this morn; problem is only happening on one of two servers
[19:15] <Colonel_Panic> config files
[19:15] <dennister> so I think we can rule updates out as the culprit
[19:15] <genii> dennister: Please pastebin result of:    apt-cache policy firefox
[19:15] <Colonel_Panic> then what do I do?
[19:15] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: actually before the plasma at the end do a && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/kde4backup && plasma
[19:15] <Psycho_Sonic> ok
[19:15] <DaSkreech> that resets your plasma to default settings
[19:16] <Psycho_Sonic> ... 68 of 68 files could not be read
[19:16] <DaSkreech> all errors gone etc
[19:16] <trampel> rtfm'd manual but no luck.  what does the internet-connectivity earth icon in the taskbar attempting to tell me when it's like half eclipsed? (bandwidth for crap?)  thankee.
[19:16] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: Umm ok what command is that from ?
[19:16] <Colonel_Panic> kquitapp plasma; mkdir ~/kde4backup && cp  -R ~/.kde/share/config ~/kde4backup && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/kde4backup && plasma
[19:16] <Colonel_Panic> that right?
[19:16] <ralpho> How to tell what version of kde you have.
[19:17] <Colonel_Panic> I really hate this plasma thing
[19:17] <dennister> genii: http://pastebin.com/m4f30d9ea
[19:17] <Psycho_Sonic> well
[19:17] <Colonel_Panic> well, I don't like the way it's implemented
[19:17] <dennister> brb...pee & cancer stick break
[19:17] <genii> dennister: Reading
[19:17] <Colonel_Panic> DaSkreech: is this right?
[19:17] <Psycho_Sonic> the md5 said "kubuntu-8.10-dvd-i386"
[19:17] <Colonel_Panic> kquitapp plasma; mkdir ~/kde4backup && cp  -R ~/.kde/share/config ~/kde4backup && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/kde4backup && plasma
[19:18] <Psycho_Sonic> my iso said "kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386"
[19:18] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: Yes that's a full backup of all your KDE4 config files and resetting plasma to default values
[19:18] <alonea> genii: yeah, it seems all boxes are white now...hang on a sec
[19:18] <Psycho_Sonic> so I changed the iso name from "desktop" to "dvd"
[19:18] <Psycho_Sonic> should I change it back?
[19:18] <DaSkreech> ralpho: help -> about KDE any kde application
[19:18] <genii> dennister: OK. Try run from Run dialog:   firefox -safe-mode   on one and see if it becomes usable or no
[19:19] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: Did you open the MD5sums file in notepad ?
[19:19] <ralpho> DaSkreech:  thanks
[19:19] <genii> dennister: This will load it without any extensions enabled
[19:19] <Colonel_Panic> cp: cannot open `/home/colonelpanic/.kde/share/config/knetworkconfrc' for reading: Permission denied
[19:19] <Psycho_Sonic> i saved the md5sums as .md5
[19:20] <Psycho_Sonic> that's what that one link told me to do
[19:20] <Psycho_Sonic> well
[19:20] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: Hmm doesn't make a difference I think that's networking that's an easy fix
[19:20] <Psycho_Sonic> saved the text file as .md5
[19:20] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: Right did you open it an see inside of it ?
[19:20] <Colonel_Panic> cp: cannot open `/home/jalbert/.kde/share/colonelpanic/adept_installerrc' for reading: Permission denied
[19:21] <Colonel_Panic> wait...
[19:21] <genii> Colonel_Panic: Did you do something interesting previously like:  sudo adept                 ?
[19:21] <Colonel_Panic> sudo adept? no
[19:22] <Colonel_Panic> it said
[19:22] <Colonel_Panic> cp: cannot open `/home/colonelpanic/.kde/share/config/adept_installerrc' for reading: Permission denied
[19:22] <genii> Colonel_Panic: Good. The path looks messy, should normally be /home/name/.kde/share/config/namerc
[19:22] <Colonel_Panic> yeah
[19:22] <Colonel_Panic> but it said it couldn't do mit, "Permission denied"
[19:23] <Colonel_Panic> I'm trying to type too fast here
[19:23] <Colonel_Panic> is that OK?
[19:23] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: Those are apps that are run by root by default I think they are easy to fix no problems
[19:23] <genii> Colonel_Panic: sudo chown -Rh colonelpanic:colonelpanic /home/colonelpanic/.kde
[19:23] <Psycho_Sonic> goddamn this font's huge
[19:24] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: Ha ha Welcome to Notepad :)
[19:24] <genii> dennister: Did it run firefox ok in safe mode or same issue still?
[19:24] <Psycho_Sonic> and it's in... Papyrus. wat.
[19:24] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: In any case you can just run md5sum on the iso and it will spit out a long freaky string. Make sure it's the same as the long freaky string in the file
[19:25] <genii> Work, away a couple-few minutes
[19:25] <Colonel_Panic> OK so I just chowned what?
[19:25] <Psycho_Sonic> lets see. I ran md5 on the iso. It just kept saying no such file or directory
[19:27] <Colonel_Panic> DaSkreech: I just chowned the whole .kde directory in my n/home dir to myself?
[19:27] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: huh?
[19:27] <DaSkreech> I don't know what did you do?
[19:28] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: Command ?
[19:28] <Colonel_Panic> DaSkreech: I just chowned my whole ~/.kde directory to myself?
[19:28] <Psycho_Sonic> the directory's in the same folder as the iso
[19:28] <Psycho_Sonic> command is
[19:28] <Colonel_Panic> I did what genii told me to do
[19:29] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: oh umm I guess.
[19:29] <DaSkreech> That would get rid of the erros
[19:29] <Colonel_Panic> [13:23:36] <genii> Colonel_Panic: sudo chown -Rh colonelpanic:colonelpanic /home/colonelpanic/.kde
[19:29] <Psycho_Sonic> md5sum -c "C:\folderlocation\kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso"
[19:29] <Colonel_Panic> ok so now what?
[19:29] <Colonel_Panic> re-do that same operation?
[19:30] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: take out the -c
[19:30] <Psycho_Sonic> k
[19:30] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: sure
[19:30] <dennister> genii: ok, i'm back, ran it in safe mode and everything seems to be working fine now...so the culprit must be one of my extensions on this machine
[19:30] <DaSkreech> dennister: genii left
[19:31] <Psycho_Sonic> ok, i got a string
[19:31] <o> Hi.. :-)
[19:32] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: compare it with the one in the text file for the iso you downloaded
[19:32] <Psycho_Sonic> and it's definitly different from the md5
[19:32] <Colonel_Panic> ok now what do I do?
[19:32] <dennister> DaSkreech: ok, well now we know where to look anyway
[19:32] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: Ergo bad
[19:32] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: read the topic
[19:32] <Psycho_Sonic> but that's what i was saying earlier: my iso says "desktop" whereas the sum says "dvd". Does that matter?
[19:32] <genii> dennister: Work got busy and will need to leave again. But you can remove the extensions manuallyand try to readd after
[19:33] <Colonel_Panic> DaSkreech: what now?
[19:33] <dennister> genii: yes, i will, thx
[19:33] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: Am I wrong or this is in aid of trying out KDE 4.2 beta ?
[19:33] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: which did you download ?
[19:33] <Colonel_Panic> SaSkreech: yes
[19:34] <Colonel_Panic> DaSkreech: yes
[19:34] <Psycho_Sonic> i downloaded it off the torrent on the Kubuntu downloads page
[19:34] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: The instructions are in the topic
[19:34] <genii> dennister: Should all be in somewhere like ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/extensions
[19:34] <Colonel_Panic> oh, the URL for 4.2?
[19:35] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: Torrents auto md5sum so... Hmm
[19:37] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: Argh I gave you the wronf file
[19:37] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: Sorry :(
[19:37] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/8.10/MD5SUMS
[19:38] <DaSkreech> 82c02dc7386dfb6858a9ec09a5059e1e
[19:38] <Psycho_Sonic> no prob. here we go
[19:43] <Psycho_Sonic> dammit, this might be a while
[19:43] <Psycho_Sonic> i'm burning a dvd, everything's slow as hell
[19:45] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: What's the average speed of hell?
[19:45] <Psycho_Sonic> irc's slowing the comp down, i'll be back in few.
[19:46] <Psycho_Sonic> oh shi-
[19:46] <Psycho_Sonic> it finished
[19:47] <Psycho_Sonic> it matches. :D
[19:47] <Psycho_Sonic> ...now what?
[19:48] <fleetcommand> ah how fine, just testing kde 4.2 beta 2 in virtualbox
[19:50] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: Burn and go. When it starts up if it freezes then restart and Use the Fn keys to select Safe video mode and try again that normally works
[19:50] <DaSkreech> fleetcommand: Quick access works again :)
[19:51] <Psycho_Sonic> ok
[19:51] <fleetcommand> finally our javascript editor works in Konqueror
[19:51] <Psycho_Sonic> alrighty, thank you very much.
[19:51] <fleetcommand> (that was the only reason using firefox)
[19:52] <Psycho_Sonic> cya guys
[19:57] <trampel> has anyone devised a means of mounting (say, a usb memory stick) without going through dolphin?
[19:58] <DaSkreech> _christian_: Ummm. Rebecca?
[19:59] <DaSkreech> trampel: Other than fstab or the Device manager plasmoid ?
[19:59] <DaSkreech> assuming you are on KDE4
[19:59] <_christian_> DaSkreech: my little cousins laptop i'm just installing
[19:59] <trampel> DaSkreech: fstab is probably my best solution, thankee!
[20:13] <alonea> DaSkreech: sorry, had to leave for a bit and then firefox borked itself. its fine now, though I need help with my menu.lst
[20:13] <DaSkreech> Sure
[20:14] <RytmenPinne> hmm, well this is odd, I cant edit my software soruces o_O I press edit software sources and It only downloads the package list :O
[20:14] <fleetcommand> eh. sorry for asking so lame question, but where to enable international keyboard layouts in KDE 4.2 beta2?
[20:14] <alonea> DaSkreech: everytime I let ubuntu do it for it, it does it completely wrong and messes everything up, but I kinda don't know what to put for the newer kernel now.
[20:14] <RytmenPinne> running kde4.2 beta 1
[20:14] <alonea> DaSkreech: it, being the grub stuff
[20:15] <fleetcommand> i went to System Settings  > regionaletc > keyboard layouts, then added the two languages
[20:15] <fleetcommand> the little flag appears in the notification area, but it has no effect
[20:15] <DaSkreech> alonea: you installed a new kernel?
[20:15] <Guest82950> exit
[20:15] <alonea> DaSkreech: adept did...again, for like the 3rd time in a couple weeks
[20:16] <wesley> anyone already tested the new beta from kde with dual screens
[20:16] <DaSkreech> alonea: And that breaks Ubuntu ?
[20:16] <wesley> DaSkreech i bet his apt is locked, due that adept did crash
[20:17] <alonea> DaSkreech: the menu.lst is always done wrong. it always puts my root in the wrong place and never sees my windows so i always ahve to redo the file anyways, but I don't know the new name of the new kernel and where that vmlinux or whatever its called is and I didn't see it
[20:17] <wesley> Had that when i started using kubuntu often
[20:17] <DaSkreech> wesley: Hmm ?
[20:18] <DaSkreech> alonea: Strange ok pastebin your menu.lst
[20:18] <wesley> mosly adept did crash when installing java, but i install everything with the command line
[20:19] <alonea> DaSkreech: well, its fine now, I just didn't let it do my menu.lst this time around, but the format has seemed to have changed a little or my memory sucks
[20:20] <alonea> DaSkreech: so it still has the older kernel listed and not the new one
[20:21] <DaSkreech> alonea: ok
[20:22] <alonea> DaSkreech: i think I might have figured it out.
[20:23] <alonea> DaSkreech: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-22 is now -23?
[20:24] <alonea> well, only one way to find out!
[20:25] <DaSkreech> :-)
[20:27] <alonea> DaSkreech: FTW! ^_^
[20:28] <DaSkreech> alonea: :-D
[20:29]  * DaSkreech gives alonea cookies :)
[20:29] <alonea> cookies!!! and I am starving as well
[20:30] <alonea> and I will do that extended stuff later. I really need to do other stuff right now and cant afford to mess with my files.
[20:30] <alonea> DaSkreech: oh! where can I change whats on the startmenu (i got used to right clicking and being able to on kde3)
[20:30] <alonea> DaSkreech: Kmenu...whatever it is
[20:30] <DaSkreech> errm
[20:31] <DaSkreech> kmenuedit ?
[20:31] <alonea> DaSkreech: will try
[20:31] <DaSkreech> Works on KDE 4.2
[20:31] <gekkoo> on 4.1.3 too
[20:31] <alonea> thank kami....
[20:33] <alonea> I was getting tired of loading eclipse manually
[20:34] <Tecumseh> hi there, just installed kde 4.2 beta but I'm afraid that it's still beta1 instead of beta2. For instance the msn plugin is not enable in kopete. Any advice?
[20:34] <Rasputin> how can i change my screen from 900x...  to 1024x....  system settings show 900 as default
[20:35] <fleetcommand> Tecumseh after I installed KDE 4.2 beta2 I had to refetch the package list to get the other packages upgraded to
[20:35] <fleetcommand> o
[20:35] <alonea> my kde4 never went to 4.1.
[20:36] <Tecumseh> fleetcommand: what repo did you add? Cause I have updated it and there's no more update's to install
[20:36] <fleetcommand> the one on the kubuntu.org site
[20:36] <fleetcommand> will check kopete, a moment
[20:36] <Tecumseh> strange, same one here
[20:36] <DaSkreech> Tecumseh: help -> about KDE will tell you where you are
[20:36] <alonea> DaSkreech: according to adept for kdebase-bin-kde4, its 4.0.5.
[20:36] <DaSkreech> alonea: Oh my word
[20:37] <krio> hi.. there is sameone that have installed OOo 3.0 on fasty?
[20:37] <alonea> DaSkreech: *nods*
[20:37] <DaSkreech> Fasty Fozzy ?
[20:37] <alonea> DaSkreech: I will be right back and I have hardy
[20:37] <DaSkreech> alonea: I'd want to throw you on KDE 4.2 just to get you in shock
[20:37] <krio> bohh kubuntu 7.04
[20:38] <Tecumseh> I have 4.1.85, but no kopete msn plugin although it was advertised on the website to be working again
[20:38] <fleetcommand> i have the messenger plugin
[20:38] <fleetcommand> but it's called wlm plugin or whatever
[20:38] <fleetcommand> have you tried that?
[20:38] <Tecumseh> that could be it, let me check
[20:38] <DaSkreech> Tecumseh: #kubuntu-devel and ask sweetly :)
[20:39] <fleetcommand> btw, anyone here with 4.2 beta 2 AND non-english keyboard layout?
[20:39] <Tecumseh> it's working indeed. The name of the plugin changed
[20:44] <guest_> Hi all, I was wondering if after installing virtualbox I would be able to install xp using multiple cds?? I don't have the OS in one dvd, it's in 4 separate cds
[20:45] <derjens> hello
[20:45] <derjens> i cannot mount my Private directory anymore
[20:45] <derjens> please help!
[20:45] <derjens> mount.ecryptfs_private
[20:45] <derjens> keyctl_search: Required key not available
[20:45] <fleetcommand> xp using multiple cds? omg.. windows xp is only a half cd :)
[20:45] <Rasputin> ive installed the program 'cruft' on 2 different pc's - it shows up in the menu of one and not the other?
[20:45] <derjens> what has happend??
[20:46] <fleetcommand> however, you can switch disks during install using virtualbox
[20:46] <alonea> DaSkreech: ok back
[20:46] <derjens> where is the key for the ~/Private directory stored?
[20:47] <alonea> DaSkreech: I am guessing the difference is immense?
[20:47] <guest_> thanks fleetcommand, I wish my xp cd was that small lol
[20:47] <derjens> this is very important to me! i had trusted the encryption system and stored all important files there!
[20:47] <DaSkreech> alonea: The change between 4.2 and 4.1 is pretty big I can't imagine what it's like from 4.0 to 4.2
[20:47] <DaSkreech> 4.0 is unusable once you are on 4.1
[20:47] <alonea> DaSkreech: ^_^
[20:48] <alonea> DaSkreech: I hate 4.0 a whole lot
[20:48] <guest_> Also, is it possible to burn 4 different iso into one dvd and still make it work????
[20:48] <wesley> Kopete, is really better now :)
[20:49] <DaSkreech> alonea: If you had a ibex install you could try 4.2 :-(
[20:49] <alonea> DaSkreech: ibex?
[20:49] <wesley> But i cant see my contacts avaters, more people having tha problem
[20:49] <DaSkreech> guest_: Yes
[20:49] <DaSkreech> alonea: Not Hardy
[20:50] <alonea> DaSkreech: should I upgrade? to a newer version or something
[20:50] <guest_> DaSkreech: thanks
[20:50] <DaSkreech> are you on hardy for some important reason ?
[20:50] <fleetcommand> guest you can mount iso files too in virtualbox
[20:50] <fleetcommand> you don't have to burn them
[20:50] <fleetcommand> (i mean, burn them just for installing them)
[20:51] <alonea> DaSkreech: no, I just ended up with that disk. main progs I use is eclipse really.
[20:51] <Tecumseh> alonea: can't see all avatars from my contacts either
[20:51] <alonea> Tecumseh: huh?
[20:51] <Tecumseh> owh sorry alonea, I misread. I was commenting on wesley
[20:52] <guest_> fleetcommand: it would work the same as installing multiple cds?  My only prob is that it's more than one, and I don't know if it would support that
[20:52] <DaSkreech> alonea: >_> Really tempted to throw you on a new version but I don't know if you have the time for a walktrhough
[20:52] <Tecumseh> how can I set a mousebutton to activate the cube? want the middlemouseclick on the background to activate the cube instead (or allongside) the Ctrl+F11 hotkey
[20:53] <alonea> DaSkreech: not today. Let me finish my homework and if I get back home by this weekend or sometime next week
[20:53] <wesley> Tecumseh i wonder if thats is a kde problem or kubunty
[20:53] <DaSkreech> alonea: Ok Ping me :)
[20:53] <alonea> DaSkreech: sure will
[20:54] <Tecumseh> wesley: me too, not really a big problem though
[20:54] <Tecumseh> I had a couple of plasma crashes already, that's something I can worry about
[20:56] <Psycho_Sonic> well
[20:56] <Psycho_Sonic> i'm back
[20:56] <Psycho_Sonic> and it's still freezing
[20:56] <wesley> Tecumseh, no but you like to see your contact pic ( if it is a pretty girl )
[20:56] <Psycho_Sonic> i tried it both in normal and safe mode, and it froze
[20:57] <Psycho_Sonic> and after it froze in safe mode, i restarted and it started the trial mode without even asking me
[20:57] <Psycho_Sonic> does my comp just not like ubuntu or kde?
[20:59] <Psycho_Sonic> ...anyone?
[20:59] <Psycho_Sonic> anyone at all?
[21:00] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: :-)
[21:00] <Psycho_Sonic> hey
[21:00] <Psycho_Sonic> yeah, still freezing
[21:02] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: Hmm what is your hardware like?
[21:03] <Psycho_Sonic> lets see
[21:03] <Psycho_Sonic> it's an 03 Gateway notebook
[21:04] <Psycho_Sonic>  1300 mhz celeron m
[21:04] <Psycho_Sonic> 1 gig ram
[21:04] <DaSkreech> Video card?
[21:04] <Psycho_Sonic> intel graphics controller
[21:04] <Psycho_Sonic> integrated crap
[21:05] <wesley> Here got a problem to with Intel vga x3100
[21:05] <Psycho_Sonic> well
[21:05] <Psycho_Sonic> the card is
[21:06] <Psycho_Sonic> Intel 82852/82855 GM/GME Graphics Controller
[21:06] <wesley> its a general bug i heard, concening intel vgas
[21:06] <Psycho_Sonic> great
[21:07] <gorgonizer> hello everyone, currently got an issue with my multimedia keys, mute, volup, voldown are recognised, but play/pause, next, previous and stop all fail to operate as I would wish.  Is there anyway to change this behaviour at all?  Using KDE 4.2 Beta 2 on Intrepid..
[21:07] <wesley> indeed, because intel vga should be able to handle desktop effects
[21:07] <wesley> http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.30/intel-945-video-hint/
[21:09] <gorgonizer> I do realise there is a bug posted (284577) on launchpad, wondering if anyone had a workaround..
[21:09] <wesley> where do i find xorg ?
[21:10] <wesley> xorg.conf
[21:12] <gorgonizer> wesley: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:13] <Psycho_Sonic> so
[21:13] <Psycho_Sonic> does anyone have any ideas?
[21:14] <grendal_prime> quanta, intrepid, will not use the kio slave...why?
[21:14] <wesley> not really looking for myself, but people already reported a bug
[21:17] <alonea> DaSkreech: ok, my friend wants to know how to get into linux, but not the gui on ubuntu.
[21:18] <DaSkreech> alonea: What?
[21:18] <alonea> DaSkreech: like, do everything terminal based.
[21:18] <DaSkreech> Psycho_Sonic: You could try the alternate DVD
[21:18] <DaSkreech> alonea: Right what are they asking for help with ?
[21:18] <avihayb> wesley: Thanks for puting that link. I have an intel 965, and my old radeon 7200 is outperforming it. this might actually fix it
[21:18] <alonea> DaSkreech: couldn't you do it by not enabling the gnome login manager thing?
[21:19] <alonea> DaSkreech: they are just testing the system out and he wants to play with linux in terminal only mode instead of going into a gui environment
[21:19] <wesley> i am trying that now, nixternal should put that fix into kubuntu
[21:20] <wesley> i go restart
[21:20] <avihayb> DaSkreech: do you wanna just login and use the text only terminal with a normal ubuntu instalation? or do you want the machine to be purely text based?
[21:21] <alonea> avihayb: er, I was asking that. he wants to be able to do either i think.
[21:22] <avihayb> alonea: DaSkreech: just hit Ctrl+Alt+1-9 to switch between Text and Gui terminals
[21:22] <DaSkreech> alonea: press alt+ctrl+F1
[21:22] <DaSkreech> avihayb: F1-F9
[21:23] <avihayb> the gui is usualy in 7, 8, is usualy for some of the debuging messages at the computer startup
[21:23] <avihayb> err, yhe, my bad
[21:24] <alonea> thanks guys
[21:25] <avihayb> OH GOD THEY FINALY FIXED THAT ACURSED network-manager-kde
[21:26] <tobbe> hai
[21:26] <grendal_prime> we got a bot here?
[21:26] <Tm_T> !bot | grendal_prime
[21:26] <avihayb> !ubottu
[21:26] <Tm_T> avihayb: too late
[21:26] <changturkey> hey, when the time comes for 9.04, how smooth will the upgrade be?
[21:26] <avihayb> grrrrr
[21:26] <Tm_T> changturkey: should be very smooth
[21:27] <Tm_T> changturkey: that's always the plan
[21:27] <DaSkreech> alonea: You can get back tothe Gui with alt+ctrl+F7
[21:27] <changturkey> thanks
[21:27] <avihayb> any one knows how to trick the upgrade tool's proximity sensor?
[21:28] <DaSkreech> changturkey: The plan is for it to be as smooth as possible I'll refrain from referencing a small person's nether regions though
[21:28] <avihayb> any one?
[21:28] <DaSkreech> avihayb: What?
[21:29] <alonea> DaSkreech: he ran off and went back to wow. he will try it later. *shakes head*
[21:29] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :) Funny crowd. Wants to do CLI but is ADD
[21:30] <avihayb> the proximity sensor, that bit of hardware that tells the upgread tool when you leav the computer for a few hours, so that it could stop the upgrade and ask you if you want to change the key combo for changeing groups, or if you want your grub settings destroyed
[21:30] <tobbe> i just installed ubuntu, but i can't get msn to work! i mean i use this crappy amsn, but how do i get windows live to work?!?!?!
[21:30] <tobbe> PLEASE HELP
[21:31] <DaSkreech> tobbe: what do you need working?
[21:31] <avihayb> what's windows live? (and how long is it's life expectency?)
[21:31] <tobbe> windows live messenger :S
[21:31] <tobbe> i want it
[21:32] <tobbe> how do i get it to work in ubuntu?!
[21:32] <DaSkreech> tobbe: The actual client is unlikely to work but you can ask in #winehq to be sure
[21:33] <avihayb> and kopete is not a half bad a client.
[21:33] <tobbe> huh? can't i just click the .exe file?!
[21:33] <tobbe> linux suck
[21:33] <avihayb> you need to install wine first to run the .exe
[21:33] <DaSkreech> tobbe: Linux is not windows
[21:34] <Soliloquial> I don't really understand the reasoning behind amarok's ui...why always show the playlist window?
[21:34] <DaSkreech> tobbe: You can use kopete pidgin amsn and kmess to get on windows live
[21:34] <DaSkreech> Soliloquial: #amarok
[21:34] <Freddy2> hi
[21:34] <tobbe> fuck linux
[21:34] <Freddy2> i'm on hardy, but can't find libdca on repos (i can on intrepid).. where can i find a valid apt source? thx
[21:35] <avihayb> I think msn messenger would run too. and if you don't install geco, I think you won't see the annoyind ads
[21:35] <alonea> amsn is nice
[21:35] <alonea> webcam support at least
[21:36] <DaSkreech> !info libdca
[21:36] <tobbe> yeah, just playing around.. linux > windows
[21:36] <tobbe> and amns is allright
[21:36] <DaSkreech> !ohmy | tobbe
[21:36] <tobbe> can't get my camcorder to work in linux tho
[21:36] <tobbe> will do, mr bot
[21:36] <avihayb> tobbe: so you want to be really intimet with linux?
[21:37] <tobbe> sure
[21:37] <Freddy2> what? i can see it.. how can i get the source it is using?
[21:38] <DaSkreech> !info libdca0
[21:38] <DaSkreech> !info libdca0 hardy
[21:38] <avihayb> DaSkreech: see, you misinterpreted his intention
[21:39] <DaSkreech> Freddy2: Sudo apt-get install source libdca0
[21:39] <DaSkreech> avihayb: Which intention ?
 tobbe: so you want to be really intimet with linux?
[21:39] <avihayb> [23:41] <tobbe> sure
[21:40] <DaSkreech> Where did I misinterpret ?
[21:40] <avihayb> you thought he was cursing
[21:42] <Kozeris>  need help
[21:43] <Kozeris> friend has 2 hdd with 200 gigs each
[21:43] <DaSkreech> avihayb: He did curse
[21:44] <Kozeris> so he installed kubuntu on clean hdd with root swap and home
[21:44] <DaSkreech> Assuming tobbe is a him
[21:44] <Kozeris> installed kubuntu but installed when that clean hard was slave and xp was master ( xp is on other 200 gig hdd)
[21:44] <avihayb> you areassuming linux is a him too
[21:44] <Kozeris> and now when we try load we get grub error 25
[21:44] <Kozeris> we tried to disconnect xp hdd, no luck
[21:44] <Kozeris> disconnected LINUX
[21:45] <Kozeris> same shit on xp
[21:45] <Kozeris> xpo gets grub error 25
[21:45] <Kozeris> what should we doo
[21:45] <DaSkreech> Kozeris: He has a grub mis install
[21:45] <avihayb> but xp works with the linux hdd?
[21:45] <DaSkreech> !ohmy | Kozeris
[21:45] <jussi01> !ohmy | Kozeris
[21:45] <DaSkreech> !grub | Kozeris Follw this
[21:45]  * jussi01 huggles DaSkreech
[21:46] <Kozeris> avihayd , now nothing works , they together not work
[21:46] <DaSkreech> Kozeris: If you need more help then ask here. With two hard drives your setup will be slightly different from the one outlined there
[21:46] <Kozeris> they  each only one connected dont work too
[21:46] <matt_d> ey
[21:46] <matt_d> hey guys
[21:46] <matt_d> i installed grub 2 and now i cant go into kubuntu
[21:46] <matt_d> im dual booting windows xp and kubuntu
[21:47] <matt_d> only windows xp loads
[21:47] <matt_d> kubuntu does not go through
[21:47] <DaSkreech> !grub | matt_d Here you go
[21:47] <Colonel_Panic> I have the deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main repository  added, now is there a CLI way to upgrade KDE to 4.2?
[21:48] <VazKen> hello
[21:48] <Colonel_Panic> is it just sudo apt-get upgrade kde?
[21:48] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:48] <DaSkreech> That will upgrade everything
[21:48] <DaSkreech> I'm assuming you don't have packages that you don't want installed
[21:48] <VazKen> hello guys
[21:49] <DaSkreech> I mean upgraded
[21:49] <DaSkreech> !hi | VazKen
[21:49] <matt_d> DaSkreech: grub loads but the option for kubuntu wont go through
[21:49] <VazKen> DaSkreech:  ;D
[21:50] <DaSkreech> matt_d: what error do you get?
[21:50] <VazKen> DaSkreech:  How i install dreamule on my kubuntu ?
[21:50] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: Is that correct
[21:50] <DaSkreech> !find dreammule
[21:50] <Colonel_Panic> doctorwhite: that looks like the way to do it
[21:51] <DaSkreech> Stupid bot :)
[21:51] <Colonel_Panic> I nhaven't used Azureus in ahile
[21:51] <Colonel_Panic> awhile*
[21:52] <matt_d> DaSkreech: that wrong string error, given when you select a title (e.g other operating systems)
[21:52] <matt_d> DaSkreech: understand?
[21:52] <DaSkreech> matt_d: Can you pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst file ?
[21:53] <matt_d> no, i cant go in kubuntu
[21:53] <matt_d> when i select the kubuntu option in grub
[21:53] <matt_d> it gives me the error
[21:53] <matt_d> same as if i selected that line where it says other "operating systems"
[21:56] <Colonel_Panic> matt_d: In had a similar problem after I repartitioned my hard drive the last time
[21:56] <hallowname> matt_d: you  need to reinstall grub from a livedisc
[21:57] <hallowname> matt_d: easiest way, unless you remember which partitions were which, and where your vmlinuz and initrd were...
[21:57] <DaSkreech> matt_d: you have a recovery console or you can use a live CD and mount your drive
[21:57] <Colonel_Panic> I went into #grub, pastbinned my /boot/grub/menu.lst file and within about an hour somebody pastebinned the changes I had to make
[21:57] <hallowname> matt_d: oh if u can boot recovery console and 'grub-install /dev/sda' will do wonders :P
[21:57] <Colonel_Panic> I edited the file and it went fine
[21:58] <DaSkreech> matt_d: how many entries do you have for kubuntu in your mrnu ?
[21:58] <memstick> Nějaký czech?
[21:58] <DaSkreech> !cz
[21:58]  * DaSkreech husg ubottu and jussi01
[21:58] <Colonel_Panic> wow! How many languages are there IRC channes for?
[21:58] <trampel> that's impressive... can it do Chinese?
[21:59] <Colonel_Panic> *channels*
[21:59] <DaSkreech> !cn
[21:59] <jussi01> !channels | Colonel_Panic
[21:59] <trampel> !de
[21:59] <trampel> kewl...
[22:00] <BluesKaj> kuul
[22:00] <BluesKaj> :)
[22:03] <v6lur> hi. problem: kcharselect hangs on table 15 (hardy, kde3)
[22:03] <v6lur> with all the fonts i tried
[22:03] <Colonel_Panic> hmmm... weird, when I try to empty my trash as root, I get an error" The process for the trash protocol died unexpectedly"
[22:03] <v6lur> tried starting it from konsole, but it said nothing there
[22:04] <Colonel_Panic> is there a way to do this from the CLI?
[22:04] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: rm ~/.Trash/* ?
[22:04] <v6lur> rm ~/.local/share/Trash/*/*
[22:04] <Colonel_Panic> really?
[22:05] <Colonel_Panic> ok
[22:05] <Colonel_Panic> you mean "*/*" or "*.*"?
[22:05] <v6lur> the first
[22:06] <Colonel_Panic> ok thx
[22:06] <v6lur> maybe rm -R ~/.local/share/Trash/* is ok too
[22:07] <BluesKaj> is there a fgl_glxgears equivalent 3D spining cube for nvidia ?
[22:07] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: Doh Thought you were on hardy for a while don't know why
[22:07] <geiseri> is anyone here versed in upstart?  i am trying to migrate a inittab line to upstart and it flat out wont work.
[22:08] <DaSkreech> !upstart
[22:08] <Colonel_Panic> I was on Hardy for a long time
[22:08] <Colonel_Panic> recently upgraded
[22:08] <Colonel_Panic> like, 2 days ago
[22:08]  * geiseri gives DaSkreech the captain obvious award :)
[22:08] <v6lur> any ideas on kcharselect problem, anyone?
[22:09] <Colonel_Panic> ok the trash did not empty
[22:09] <DaSkreech> You gave it to me you really really really gave it to me!!
[22:09]  * DaSkreech weeps
[22:09] <geiseri> DaSkreech: lets assume for a second i have been on google all afternoon, and i am actually stuck and need an actual upstart expert
[22:09] <DaSkreech> v6lur: Run it from the command line and see if it throws an error
[22:09] <v6lur> DaSkreech: it doesn't
[22:10] <v6lur> tried already
[22:10] <DaSkreech> geiseri: Wouldn't #upstart be a more obvious place ?
[22:10] <DaSkreech> v6lur: Do you need something from that page?
[22:10] <Colonel_Panic> I did ls ~/.local/share/Trash/*/* and it returned:
[22:10] <Colonel_Panic> ls: cannot access /root/.local/share/Trash/*/*: No such file or directory
[22:11] <geiseri> DaSkreech: sure, ill try there
[22:11] <Colonel_Panic> ok I'm done with the upgrade. I'll reboot now...
[22:11] <v6lur> no, i guess. but it's annoyinng that i have to restart it every time i forget to type in 16 after table 14 and can't just scroll on...
[22:12] <Colonel_Panic> uh duh I see what I did wrong
[22:12] <Colonel_Panic> duh
[22:12] <isaacj87> Hey, does anyone know a good webcam configuration program that integrates well into KDE?
[22:12] <Colonel_Panic> *smacks forehead Chris Farley-style* STUPID!
[22:12] <isaacj87> One that isn't v4l2ucp
[22:13] <avihayb> ok, I'm back. say, how do I dpkg-reconfigure my display?
[22:13] <v6lur> avihayb: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:13] <avihayb> thanks
[22:13] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: You can just logout and back in I think
[22:14] <v6lur> or at least that's what i have noted down for emergencies
[22:14] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: Wait logout press ctrl+E on the loginscreen then login
[22:14] <DaSkreech> !webcam
[22:14] <avihayb> v6lur: but it asked me everything but about the display adapter and screen. only bout the framebuffer via drivers or kernel
[22:14] <DaSkreech> Hmm that's not what I was looking for
[22:15] <v6lur> avihayb: don't know then, maybe it works in some older version
[22:15] <Colonel_Panic> root@Wintermute:~# ls ~/.local/share/Trash/files
[22:15] <Colonel_Panic> root@Wintermute:~# ls ~/.local/share/Trash/info
[22:15] <Colonel_Panic> both returned nothing, so it must have worked
[22:15] <keres> what is gpedit?
[22:15] <Colonel_Panic> yeah, I named this box "Wintermute"
[22:15] <isaacj87> DaSkreech: I'm looking for a tool that configures brightness, hue, etc. What about camorama
[22:16] <avihayb> keres: a text editor, kat's counterpart in ubuntu
[22:16] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: Right
[22:16] <DaSkreech> keres: where did you see that?
[22:16] <keres> avihayb: i thought that was gedit
[22:16] <avihayb> oh, sory, missed a letter
[22:16] <DaSkreech> isaacj87: Should do it
[22:16] <keres> DaSkreech: nowhere, just wondered. i always use gedit, not gpedit
[22:16] <keres> what is the diff?
[22:16] <avihayb> !gpedit
[22:17] <avihayb> bahh
[22:17] <DaSkreech> diff -l
[22:17] <keres> ?
[22:17] <DrMrHorse> ahoy
[22:17] <keres> ahoy
[22:17] <DrMrHorse> if anyone has time to help me with a screen resolution problem that would be awesome
[22:17] <DaSkreech> keres: Safe to say if you didn't see it it probably doesn't exist
[22:17] <keres> DaSkreech: what??
[22:18] <DaSkreech> keres: I asked you where you saw gpedit and you said you saw it nowhere
[22:18] <keres> DaSkreech: it was in a syntax someone sent me for fixing xserver ages ago.
[22:18] <alonea> DaSkreech: i keep having problems trying to set the brightness for my laptop to save power.
[22:19] <DaSkreech> keres: Maybe they have reeeeealy fat fingers ?
[22:19] <carrerasg> Is it ok to ask generic ubuntu questions in here?  #ubuntu is fullllllllll
[22:19] <alonea> DaSkreech: I installed kpowersave, which works sometimes, but it kinda goes haywire most the time
[22:19] <DaSkreech> carrerasg: depends on how generic ask away and we will inform you
[22:19] <keres> lmao
[22:19] <alonea> carrerasg: go for it, i ask in both sometimes too
[22:19] <Kozeris> friend wanna load internet on live cd, but he cant, he tried tool on desktop but  it when connecting says DISCONNECT
[22:20] <alonea> Kozeris: wireless or wired?
[22:20] <carrerasg> ok, I'm trying to pass an option to my nic card at boot.  But putting the option in modprobe.d doesn't seem to work.  Is there another way?
[22:20] <avihayb> !disply driver
[22:20] <jussi01> !bum | carrerasg
[22:21]  * Kozeris slaps alonea around a bit with a large trout
[22:21] <carrerasg> Thanks jussi01
[22:21] <Kozeris> wired
[22:22] <Kozeris> he put all ip and etc, but it still says DISCONNECTED
[22:22] <Kozeris> we tried to change interface file
[22:22] <Kozeris> but we cant cuz its live
[22:22] <inanimate> Has anybody had trouble opening systemsettings in 8.10? I keep getting "findServiceByDesktopPath:  not found" and a blank window...
[22:23] <DaSkreech> Kozeris: Do you have DHCP on that network?
[22:24] <dwidmann> Okay, I've got a serious problem that I need to work out ...
[22:24] <Kozeris> i dont know becouse its friend's problem, he have just a cable , in documents theres no dhcp or smth about that, just  ip mask getaway and dnses
[22:25] <DaSkreech> Kozeris: close all that and open konsole type sudo dhclient
[22:25] <DrMrHorse> yeah, so i can't get off of 640x480 resolution, i've tried a few things related to the graphics card and drivers but nothings worked
[22:25] <Kozeris> ok i will try thanks
[22:26] <dwidmann> Occasionally as of late, while playing back video (I'm using VLC), the system locks up hard with the sound in a very short endless loop (sounds a lot like a CD "skipping" really). I also see a few artifacts on the screen. Anybody have any ideas?
[22:26] <homunq> help. I'm using konversation in XFCE from xubuntu package, but I have kubuntu installed as an alternate. Randomly I get stuck in current window, I can get to text-mode terminal but not switch windows in wm. I am stuck here in chat now. Can anyone help me diagnose this?
[22:26] <DrMrHorse> stuck on irc forever muhahaha
[22:27] <mellhen> hello@all
[22:27] <homunq> DrMrHorse: yeah, and somebody tied me to the chair too :)
[22:28] <homunq> my finger doesn't quite reach the power key, I have to wait until my fingernail grows enough.
[22:28] <DrMrHorse> well then, thats not so bad
[22:28] <keres> is gtk+ slang for gtk2?
[22:28] <legodude> I want to try the video driver from  jaunty on my intrepid system, what is the appropriate way to go about doing so?
[22:28] <homunq> no, seriously
[22:28] <homunq> I am really stuck in this window
[22:28] <keres> i'm trying to find gtk+, at least 2.4.0
[22:29] <alonea> any ideas on power management?  kpowersave seems to be for kde3, but only sorta works for me.
[22:29] <inanimate> Oh, and is it just me or has KNetworkManager moved like 10 steps backward in terms of usability?
[22:30] <homunq> this has happened before under many changes of variable (ubuntu version, wm, networking, plugins) and I was wondering if some wizard here might have some ideas of how to diagnose what the bleep is causing it. One person suggested stuck keys, which is my best theory so far, but still funky - if so, how come I can type just fine?
[22:30] <wesley> what the status about the intel vga bug ?
[22:30] <mellhen> hello qll
[22:30] <Rasputin> hello
[22:30] <mellhen> hello @all
[22:30] <Rasputin> hello
[22:31] <wad> I'm going bonkers! About 20% of the time that I click, it is recognized as a double-click instead of a single click. Closing a window also closes the one under it, clicking an email opens it ina new window... AAARGH!
[22:31] <mellhen> i have upgraded ti 4.1.85
[22:31] <homunq> wad: could it be your mouse?
[22:31] <mellhen> were can i make bugreports for?
[22:31] <alonea> inanimate: its better than it used to be, but it sometimes doesnt load for me and I have to load it manually.
[22:31] <wad> homunq: I guess it could me. I'll try a different one.
[22:32] <dwidmann> mellhen: http://bugs.kde.org
[22:32] <Rasputin> what do i line do i need to add to xorg.conf to get my screen resolution correct - its at 960x600
[22:32] <homunq> see? I helped someone. Now someone help me! :)
[22:32] <homunq> I don't want to ctrl-alt-backspace until I can diagnose this
[22:32] <homunq> even though that would let me get back to work
[22:33]  * wad now has a different mouse plugged in.
[22:33]  * wad tries clicking stuff.
[22:33] <inanimate> alonea: But now in the case of wireless, you have to click "New Connection", find an AP, next, next, and finally save. In the 8.04 version it was literally one click to connect to an unencrypted network.
[22:33] <homunq> this has been bugging me for months now and stuck in chat is the perfect place to get help.
[22:33] <DaSkreech> homunq: Ibex X hates KDE :(
[22:34] <alonea> inanimate: I only click once.
[22:34] <DaSkreech> homunq: KDE does a lot of stuff X has said it can do for a few years.. really it can't
[22:34] <DaSkreech> alonea: powerdevil ?
[22:34] <alonea> I rightclick on the icon in the tray and just select the one I wanna connect to
[22:34] <inanimate> Yeah, that's what it used to be.
[22:34] <wad> Hey, I think it was just my mouse!
[22:34] <inanimate> Here, let me get a screenshot...
[22:34] <DaSkreech> !bugs | mellhen
[22:34] <avihayb> wad: I'm experiencing the same problem
[22:34] <alonea> DaSkreech: will try that. why didn't kubuntu come with one???
[22:35] <avihayb> humm, my usb mouse is a bit beaten up tough...
[22:35] <DaSkreech> alonea: It probably didn't exist when hardy came out I forgot you were on hardy
[22:35] <mellhen> ubottu: these bugs are about kde4.2beta2
[22:35] <avihayb> lol
[22:35] <alonea> DaSkreech: powerdevil not in repos?
[22:35] <mellhen> ^^
[22:35] <seanw1> I cant get 8.10 to boot! can someone help?
[22:36] <DaSkreech> !info powerdevil
[22:36] <homunq> DaSkreech: thanks but... um... honestly I am in XFCE. I'm in this channel, though, because the app I'm stuck in is konversation (for the first time with this bug - usually it happens somewhere else) and about 5 minutes after I got stuck I got a dialog that said "can't open kde help center".
[22:36] <cuznt> upon reb00ting my trust klauncher works not
[22:36] <DaSkreech> Yeah didn't exist when hardy came out
[22:36] <seanw1> !boot
[22:36] <DaSkreech> seanw1: Where does it stop?
[22:36] <wesley> I really hope kubuntu will fix the intel bug
[22:36] <cuznt> well it has a tab on my task manager but wont create a window
[22:37] <DrMrHorse> what is the intel bug?
[22:37] <homunq> Also I came here because #ubuntu was ignoring me and is too crowded.
[22:37] <alonea> DaSkreech: yeah, this is annoying. guess there is no nice upgrade function to go to 8.10?
[22:37] <DaSkreech> alonea: There is
[22:37] <alonea> DaSkreech: really?
[22:37] <DaSkreech> homunq: Wait. You are using KDE3?
[22:37] <DaSkreech> alonea: yeah it's grand
[22:38] <alonea> DaSkreech: grand as in actually or is that sarcasm?
[22:38] <homunq> daskreech: nope. I have ubuntu, kubuntu, and xubuntu installed; this session is xubuntu.
[22:38] <DaSkreech> alonea: As in actually
[22:38] <wesley> DrMrHorse it doesnt performance to well
[22:38] <alonea> DaSkreech: might try that. done upgrades before that went ok
[22:38] <DaSkreech> homunq: Oh so it's only Gnome that does suck out loud with horns and streamers with the new X ?
[22:38] <cuznt> !klauncher
[22:38] <alonea> how does it work? through adept or something else?
[22:38] <inanimate> alonea: Does yours look like this?
[22:38] <homunq> (installed all of those to try to fix this bug. I've seen it happen in all three)
[22:39] <inanimate> http://www.2shared.com/file/4484116/a9e7bf7/knm.html
[22:39] <DaSkreech> alonea: You can do it while working too :)
[22:39] <DaSkreech> !upgrade
[22:39] <homunq> daskreech: not gnome, actually. this is xfce.
[22:39] <alonea> inanimate: no
[22:39] <DaSkreech> homunq: I know that's what I mean
[22:39] <homunq> well, I've seen the bug on kde
[22:39] <seanw1> I can not boot 8.10 i get a  unable to enumerate usb error :(
[22:39] <avihayb> well, I got to a point when I don't know how to configure my own display adapter with the new KDE
[22:39] <inanimate> What version is your KNM?
[22:40] <homunq> but I was stuck in another window
[22:40]  * avihayb curles into himself and starts weeping
[22:40] <homunq> now that I am stuck in irc, I thought it would be a good time to get help diagnosing it.
[22:40] <DaSkreech> avihayb: try xrandr
[22:40] <avihayb> well it tells me the resolution
[22:40] <avihayb> I need to pick a driver
[22:40] <DaSkreech> seanw1: this is during the bootup sequence ?
[22:40] <avihayb> I hope
[22:41] <alonea> inanimate: not sure.
[22:41] <DaSkreech> alonea: sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[22:41] <alonea> 0.2.2?????
[22:41] <seanw1> yes, even live cd error repeats over and over and locks up
[22:42] <DaSkreech> Ack!! I have to go get ready
[22:42] <alonea> mmk
[22:42] <wesley> How do i set the driver for the vga
[22:42] <alonea> DaSkreech: and it said it was already the newest
[22:42] <inanimate> alonea: apt-cache showpkg knetworkmanager
[22:42] <seanw1> DaSkreech: it stops detecting hardware from that point on. 8.04 works fine
[22:42] <DrMrHorse> i cant set up my driver either
[22:43] <alonea> inanimate: 1:0.2.2-1ubuntu2 - network-manager-kde (2 1:0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu2)
[22:43] <inanimate> Wow...
[22:43] <inanimate> Well, I've got 0.7 on here, and it blows. I suggest you don't ever upgrade
[22:43] <alonea> inanimate: its what it came with
[22:43] <inanimate> alonea: Are you using 8.04 or 8.10?
[22:43] <DaSkreech> alonea: edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and change Prompt=normal
[22:43] <seanw1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/256767
[22:43] <alonea> 8.04
[22:44] <inanimate> OK, it's 8.10 that has the newer version.
[22:44] <seanw1> does kubuntu 8.04 use kde 4.1?
[22:44] <avihayb> wesley: an intel display driver?
[22:44] <inanimate> seanw1: Not by default.
[22:44] <alonea> DaSkreech: ok, done
[22:44] <wesley> avihayb yes
[22:45] <avihayb> well, I can't do it either, I think we are  going to have to roll our sleaves up and edit xorg.conf
[22:45] <avihayb> DaSkreech has also posted a nice article: http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.30/intel-945-video-hint/
[22:45] <DaSkreech> alonea: sudo do-release-upgrade
[22:46] <DaSkreech> seanw1: Yes
[22:46] <alonea> oh! what about that intel card? i cant get it to do anything in wine
[22:47] <wesley> avihayb didnt really worked and i am using 8.10 ( fuck up ubuntu version
[22:47] <avihayb> tell me bout it
[22:48] <kardoulinis> tell me how to install wicrawl-0.4a guys please
[22:48] <wesley> special effects work but not flawless
[22:48] <Rasputin> why is my pc stuck in 960x600
[22:49] <Rasputin> i have three nipples, but thats not the reason i'm sure
[22:49] <wesley> no resultion is fine, but performance is not that good,
[22:49] <kardoulinis> analysis othonis
[22:49] <kardoulinis> kanto sta 1280X920
[22:49] <speaker219> Having a problem... running KDE 4 on intrepid, everything seems to randomly "flicker"
[22:49] <kardoulinis> flicker?
[22:49] <speaker219> yeah
[22:49] <kardoulinis> what the hell is that
[22:49] <speaker219> not like on and off
[22:50] <speaker219> lines moving through the screen
[22:50] <speaker219> hard to explain
[22:50] <speaker219> like everything is being moved back and forth
[22:50] <kardoulinis> aaaaa
[22:50] <mellhen> can sb tell me how to connect "localhost" to systemmonitor and plasma (plasmoids: systemmonitor)
[22:50] <kardoulinis> i understand
[22:50] <seanw1> like rapid flashing
[22:50] <fleetcommand> isn't it an opengl issue?
[22:50] <speaker219> happens when I first boot gnome, doesn't occur after that
[22:50] <kardoulinis> i have the same problem
[22:50] <speaker219> it's annoying as hell
[22:50] <speaker219> it never stops, it's not possibly usable
[22:50] <francisc1701> hi, I ran glxgears -- is this output normal for an integrated 965 intel card, using the "intel" driver? http://pastebin.com/d76b171b1
[22:50] <kardoulinis> because my pc has to old vga card
[22:50] <speaker219> even when i'm not doing anything, still does that
[22:51] <speaker219> I have an integrated intel... 915
[22:51] <kardoulinis> so do I
[22:51] <kardoulinis> i have intel 915
[22:51] <DaSkreech> !ohmy | wes
[22:51] <kardoulinis> it is propably the same problem
[22:51] <kardoulinis> when you open a movie or sth like that
[22:52] <DaSkreech> alonea: when you finish the upgrade have http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-beta-2 open and follow it :)
[22:52] <alonea> mmk. though I may do that later
[22:52] <DaSkreech> Then you can logout press ctrl+E then log back in
[22:52] <speaker219> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/279719
[22:52] <DaSkreech> Brand new gooeygoodness :)
[22:52] <alonea> DaSkreech: mmk. also on that intel card, I can get it to work fine with compiz, but wine apps it crashes bad
[22:52] <alonea> DaSkreech: is this any better now?
[22:53] <DaSkreech> alonea: Should feel nicer in Ibex
[22:53] <DaSkreech> Wine got a lot of fixes
[22:53] <alonea> DaSkreech: they told me it was a driver issue, not them when I asked about it.
[22:55] <DaSkreech> alonea: There are new drivers too :)
[22:55] <alonea> DaSkreech: what about my touchpad? its crazy on here. I am constantly accidentally pasting text and moving the cursor while typing
[22:55] <homunq> DaSkreech: you seem to be both willing to pay attention and able to help. I would really like to diagnose this problem and don't know where to start. Is there anything I can explain that would help you help me?
[22:55]  * homunq has now fixed two other people's small problems, but is still stuck in IRC window.
[22:56] <ubuntu_> Hi :) Bin ich im deutschen channel?
[22:56] <DaSkreech> homunq: This isn't a great time to jump in but #kubuntu-devel might be able to get more targetted information
[22:56] <DaSkreech> !de
[22:56] <homunq> ubuntu_: wouldn't that be #kubuntu-de?
[22:56] <ubuntu_> ah thank you :)
[22:57] <trampel> (fur kein)
[22:57] <homunq> DaSkreech: why not a great time? are they having a meeting or something?
[22:58] <DaSkreech> homunq: Well I'm trying to run out of the house since I'm late and they are prepareing Beta 2 for KDE 3.2 and Alpha 2 for Jaunty but they can at least give you something to work on
[22:58] <homunq> thanks.
[22:58] <DaSkreech> I'm going to go down the road of the New X sucks
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> !trash > ActionParsnip
[23:00] <Ahmuck> is there a poster similar to ubuntu highway for kubuntu ?
[23:00] <DaSkreech> a what?
[23:01] <inanimate> I think he means this:
[23:01] <inanimate> http://gasteropod.deviantart.com/art/ubuntu-highway-43996915
[23:03] <DaSkreech> It's  CC licensed as long as you said that he made it you can make a Kubuntu one from it
[23:04] <avihayb> bahh! should have payed the extra few bucks, and got an nvidia insted of this intel
[23:04] <DaSkreech> Colonel_Panic: Survivied ?
[23:07] <liar> i want to have fluxbox parallel to kdm(both should start during boot), where do i have to insert startx /usr/bin/fluxbox -- :1 and are other things necessary?
[23:08]  * homunq gives up and reboots X. I hate this $#!%.
[23:09] <DaSkreech> homunq: I just do kquits from the terminal so it does a safe shutdown without data los then restart the DM
[23:10] <inanimate> Is there any way to open individual system setting modules in KDE 4?
[23:10] <inanimate> I know you could do it in KDE 3 somehow...
[23:12] <DaSkreech> kcmshell
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> liar: just set fluxbox as your session type and log in
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> liar: then next time you log in, it will be used again
[23:21] <liar> ActionParsnip: i want 2 x-servers(both automatically started) one with kde and one with fluxbox, parallel
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> liar: you on a dual head rig?
[23:23] <liar> ActionParsnip: later maybe, but now i just want 2 desktop managers at the same time
[23:25] <liar> gn8^^, am tired
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> didnt know that was possible
[23:27] <liar> it works^^, i just entered startx /usr/bin/fluxbox -- :1 and now i can switch between kde and fluxbox per ctrl+alt+f7 and ctrl+alt+f8, but fluxbox does not start automatically after starting the computer but i want it to
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> liar: add the command to kde startup ;)
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> liar: in a script
[23:29] <liar> yes i have done it, and it works, but i was not sure in which script i should write it
[23:30] <liar> gn8
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> liar: create the script in the standard way
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> and copy it to ~/.kde/Autostart
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> job done
[23:31] <liar> and if kde does not work?
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> !startup
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> ~/.kde4/Autostart
[23:33] <cuznt> !video capture
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: they dont have spaces
[23:35] <cuznt> i got a capture card...
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> yeah
[23:35] <cuznt> trying to find something
[23:35] <cuznt> no?
[23:35] <cuznt> forgit it?
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: if you run lspci (if its pci) or lsusb (if its usb) then it will make itself known
[23:35] <cuznt> must i look at my wife with the "they just have not made it yet honey"  eyes?
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: yuo can websearch from there
[23:36] <cuznt> yes i can action thanks
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: what is outputted for it. I'll have a look too
[23:37] <cuznt> not yet we wont... it does not even recognize it
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: no, whats the output from those 2 commands that identifys it??
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: or is there zero output for the device?
[23:38] <cuznt> the device is not even shown
[23:38] <cuznt> not listed not anything
[23:38]  * cuznt wonders if it is a bad slot
[23:39] <EtFb> Just noticed the discussion linked on Reddit about Kubuntu/KDE4 being a complete mess.  I'd been thinking of upgrading to Intrepid over the Squidmas holiday, but now I'm reconsidering.  Any experiences from actual Kubuntu users?
[23:39] <cuznt> my sis m0b0 my creative and my nvidia is listed
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> EtFb: kde 4.1 is ok, avoid 4.2
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: can you pastebin the outputs please
[23:40] <EtFb> ActionParsnip: Interesting - I've seen exactly the opposite advice elsewhere.  Why do you say that?
[23:43] <mankeletor> hi all, wheres the inittab file located in kubuntu?
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> EtFb: my hardware is purposefully linux friendly, it just ran sluggishly and just felt a bit frail. I ran it a week and went back to kde4.1 then put fluxbox on.
[23:43] <Ahmuck-Jr> is there a poster for kubuntu similar to ubuntu's highway poster?
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> EtFb: i was running kde4.2 with amarok2 on 1Gb ram and it left me with 8Mb free
[23:44] <lovre> does anyone have an account on portral.acm.org??? i need an e-book asap?? plz hlp
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> EtFb: im running the original stuff I had before upgrading and I have 512Mb free
[23:45] <EtFb> ActionParsnip: I would have thought 1Gb is a bit low for a serious work machine - I think my laptop has 3Gb now but I don't mind upgrading it if it can handle more.
[23:46] <EtFb> Changing to Fluxbox looks like a last resort too.  I'd consider going to Gnome rather than do that...
[23:46] <BluesKaj> mankeletor, check /etc/inittab
[23:48] <mankeletor> BluesKaj: the file doesnt exists
[23:48] <BluesKaj> yeah , man
[23:49] <BluesKaj> mankeletor ...sorry
[23:49] <mankeletor> BluesKaj: np
[23:49] <BluesKaj> dunno where it's situated...dunno if it w=even exists anymore
[23:51] <silleme> can anyone tell me if layout of kubuntu v 8.04 is same or VERY similar to that of 8.10...?
[23:52] <EtFb> silleme: What do you mean by "layout"?
[23:52] <inanimate> DaSkreech: For some reason kcmshell --list only lists five moudles. Shouldn't there be more?
[23:54] <alonea> inanimate: didn't he leave somewhere?
[23:54] <silleme> v10 appears to me as a linux version of a Vista...   working with a much older version presently... 7.10?? feisty fawn.  took me a while ot get used to but i like.  briefly sampled 8.10 and as i saiid to me... to flashy.
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> EtFb: its for chat / browsing the web, 1gb is enough
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> EtFb: its still doubled the use of my ram to achieve the same end
[23:55] <EtFb> ActionParsnip: Fair enough.  I use my laptop as my primary machine, for software development, running VMWare, watching videos, web browsing, plotting the overthrow of Steve Ballmer, etc.
[23:55] <inanimate> alonea: Yeah, you're right... Oh well.
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> EtFb: thats why you need the ram, vmware
[23:55] <EtFb> ActionParsnip: Believe it!
[23:56] <EtFb> ActionParsnip: But it's so nice to be able to press a key and make Windows go away into a little box and stop bothering me...
[23:56] <ActionParsnip> EtFb: this is my main machine too, my other linux box is a fileserver / ssh / torrent / backup box with 256mb on gentoo
[23:56] <silleme> EtFb:  what do you think?
[23:56] <ActionParsnip> EtFb: my only windows system is my work laptop. I have no need for it
[23:57] <EtFb> ActionParsnip: I can live without Windows except for one thing: Delphi, a Windows programming language.  There's nothing close to it in Linux, other than the excellent but rather young Gambas.
[23:58] <EtFb> silleme: I think you can probably switch off a lot of the eye-candy.  I'm happy with the reliability of Hardy Heron, and I'm considering moving to Intrepid but I hear it has reliability bugs.
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> EtFb: delphi? isnt that dead yet?