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Ursinhatime for the weekly show15:01
al-maisanme15:01
Ursinha#startmeeting15:01
UrsinhaWelcome to this week's Launchpad Production Meeting.  For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating the resolution of specific Launchpad bugs and issues.15:01
MootBotMeeting started at 09:01. The chair is Ursinha.15:01
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]15:01
Ursinhaweeee I love MootBot15:01
Ursinhame!15:01
sinzuime15:01
al-maisanme15:01
flacosteme15:01
intellectronicame15:01
herbme15:01
Ursinharockstar, ping15:01
rockstarme15:01
Ursinhahenninge is not here15:01
henningeme15:02
Ursinha:)15:02
Ursinhacool, everyone is here15:02
Ursinhaapologies from matsubara and bigjools, both on leave15:02
Ursinha[TOPIC] Agenda15:02
Ursinha * Next meeting15:02
Ursinha * Actions from last meeting15:02
Ursinha * Oops report & Critical Bugs-15:02
Ursinha * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)15:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Agenda15:02
Ursinha * DBA report (stub)15:02
Ursinharight15:02
Ursinha[TOPIC] * Next meeting15:02
Ursinhait will be xmas day :) so, no meeting15:02
MootBotNew Topic:  * Next meeting15:02
Ursinhathe thursday after will new year's day, so next meeting will be on Jan 8th, is that okay for you guys?15:02
flacostestub is offline doing an internet upgrade15:03
rockstarThat's more than okay with me.15:03
Ursinhaflacoste, I saw jtv's mail, thanks!15:03
Ursinhaawesome15:03
Ursinhajan 8th will be15:03
henningeI'll be here ... ;)15:03
Ursinha[TOPIC] * Actions from last meeting15:03
UrsinhaNone!15:03
MootBotNew Topic:  * Actions from last meeting15:03
Ursinhacool15:03
rockstarUrsinha, I was just going to ditch the next two meetings.  :)15:03
henningeWow!15:03
Ursinhahenninge, what?15:04
Ursinhatoday it'll be fast!15:04
Ursinha[TOPIC] * Oops report & Critical Bugs-15:04
Ursinhatwo oopses and two bugs15:04
MootBotNew Topic:  * Oops report & Critical Bugs-15:04
Ursinhathe oopses: timeout on +newaccount (OOPS-1083H1147), and ubuntu/+builds (OOPS-1083D1281), but I couldn't access them in time, they were giving me the permission denied message15:04
ubottuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1083H114715:04
ubottuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1083D128115:04
Ursinhaal-maisan, can you take a look at the ubuntu/+builds one? I don't know if it's alright, but I don't recall seeing those before15:05
al-maisanUrsinha: will do.15:05
Ursinhaand the newaccount one I guess it's registry15:05
Ursinhaal-maisan, thank you!15:05
Ursinha[ACTION] al-maisan to take a look at OOPS-1083D128115:05
ubottuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1083D128115:05
MootBotACTION received:  al-maisan to take a look at OOPS-1083D128115:05
ubottuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1083D128115:05
Ursinhasinzui, hi15:05
Ursinhasinzui, can you or someone look at that timeout oops, please?15:06
Ursinhaerm15:06
Ursinhalet's move to the bugs15:06
Ursinhatwo bugs for bugs team, api related15:06
Ursinhabug 308982, bug 29629315:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 308982 in malone "ForbiddenAttribute error when setting private field over webservice" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30898215:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 296293 in malone "Trying to search through the API for bugtasks passing milestone="url" gives a 500, Internal Server Error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29629315:07
Ursinhaintellectronica, hi :)15:07
intellectronicaUrsinha: i'm dealing with both15:07
Ursinhaintellectronica, awesome! can you set the attributes on the second one, please?15:07
UrsinhaI'd love to have that fixed15:07
sinzuiUrsinha: I can, but I think the problems are in the syouz domain15:07
intellectronicasure, doing that now15:07
Ursinhasinzui, the +newaccount one?15:08
* Ursinha looks again15:08
* sinzui opened the second oops twice. oops15:08
al-maisansinzui: how so?15:08
al-maisanah15:08
Ursinhaoh :)15:08
henningeee?15:09
rockstaroi15:09
Ursinhalol15:09
Ursinhasinzui, so, what do you think?15:09
sinzuiUrsinha: This may be a duplicate. bac is has a fix for some readonly items in review now15:09
Ursinhasinzui, right, I'll talk to him about it15:10
Ursinhadidn't have the time to investigate, oops was unavailable15:10
Ursinha[ACTION] Ursinha to talk to bac about OOPS-1083H114715:10
ubottuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1083H114715:10
MootBotACTION received:  Ursinha to talk to bac about OOPS-1083H114715:10
ubottuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1083H114715:10
Ursinharight15:10
bacsinzui: i did not address those bugs as it looked like intellectronica was on it.  i can include in my branch if we want15:11
sinzuiThe specific issue in the oops is that the bugs API is not properly documented15:11
Ursinhasinzui, oh, you're talking about bugs' bugs15:11
intellectronicawell, it's not really a documentation problem. when the annotations are fixed the documentation should pick it up just fine15:12
sinzuibug 308982 indicates that the bug API exported some of the attributes as mutable, and they are not15:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 308982 in malone "ForbiddenAttribute error when setting private field over webservice" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30898215:12
intellectronicaexactly15:12
Ursinhawell, are you going to keep them intellectronica?15:13
intellectronicakeep them exported, but correct the annotation, yes15:13
* sinzui now sees the real oops15:13
Ursinhaokay15:13
Ursinhacan you comment on the bug properly? guess you're already doing that, but anyway :)15:14
Ursinhaintellectronica, ^15:14
intellectronicadoing that15:14
Ursinhaintellectronica, thanks15:15
Ursinhasinzui, and the oops...15:15
sinzuiUrsinha: I investigated the logintokens this morning. They work (by work, I stole someone's account--they really work)15:16
sinzuiUrsinha: There was definitely something wrong in the DB yesterday that caused this.15:16
sinzuiUrsinha: replication perhaps15:16
Ursinhasinzui, right. I'll watch it for the next hours/days15:17
Ursinhawill bring the issue to attention if occurs again15:17
Ursinha[ACTION] Ursinha to watch for new occurrences of OOPS-1083H1147 the next hours/days15:17
ubottuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1083H114715:17
MootBotACTION received:  Ursinha to watch for new occurrences of OOPS-1083H1147 the next hours/days15:17
ubottuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1083H114715:17
Ursinhathanks sinzui15:17
Ursinhawe have three critical bugs15:17
Ursinhaall fix committed15:17
Ursinhaone is that launchpad-bugzilla one that was always there15:18
Ursinhaone is soyuz and another coswe15:18
Ursinhaargh15:18
Ursinha*code15:18
al-maisanaha :)15:18
Ursinharockstar, can you set the right status, please please please? :)15:18
Ursinharockstar, good morning, btw :P15:18
rockstarDo we need to close out 2.1.12?15:18
Ursinharockstar, we'll need to close it, yeah15:19
rockstarI think I'll probably just do the two birds/one stone thing then.15:19
Ursinhatwo birds? lol15:19
Ursinharockstar, thanks :)15:19
henninge"Close out" is setting all the statusses on bugs and blueprints to Released, right?15:20
Ursinharockstar, but setting the status of the critical to fix release is fine for now15:20
Ursinhahenninge, right :)15:20
Ursinhaall of you, please, having pending items to close, let's do it!15:20
henningePleeease do that.15:20
Ursinhaor close or redirect to 2.2.115:20
Ursinhahenninge, what do you mean?15:20
henningeMat includes a link to the milestone page in the release announcement and I find the current state of that page less than fitting to be released publicly.15:21
al-maisanwe did that for the Soyuz 2.1.12 milestone today15:21
al-maisani.e. close it out.15:21
Ursinhaal-maisan, great, thanks a lot15:21
Ursinhahenninge, hmm15:21
Ursinhamrevell, hi :)15:21
mrevellhey there Ursinha15:22
Ursinhawant to be the special guest ?15:22
Ursinha:)15:22
Ursinhasee what henninge said above, please15:22
mrevellSorry, I haven't been following the meeting, I'm about to go on a call.15:22
* mrevell looks15:22
Ursinhamrevell, no problem, you don't have to15:22
Ursinhajoin the meeting, that is15:22
* henninge used "Mat" on purpose ... ;)15:23
mrevell:) Yes, I do see what henninge says and I agree but I think we should fix it by updating statuses15:23
mrevellnot by removing the link from the release notes :)15:23
henningethat is what I mean!15:23
henninge:-)15:23
Ursinha:)15:23
Ursinharight, so let's all do the effort to close the items out15:23
Ursinharight all?15:23
Ursinhasoyuz already done15:23
rockstarYes, but often, many of us are not awake when they go from committed to released.15:24
Ursinharockstar, I know that15:24
Ursinhabut they'll be online later, right? :)15:24
Ursinhathey always come back15:24
Ursinhalet's try to close it all for the end of Friday15:25
UrsinhaI think it's a good day15:25
Ursinhaeveryone ok with that?15:25
Ursinhahope so15:25
Ursinhalet's move on15:25
Ursinhathanks mrevell15:25
Ursinhaand everyone else :)15:26
Ursinha[TOPIC] * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)15:26
MootBotNew Topic:  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)15:26
herb* Yesterday (2008-12-17) - Rolled out r7469 as 2.1.1215:26
herb* Bugs #156453 and #118625 continue to be a problem, resulting in restarts of codebrowse multiple times this week.15:26
Ursinhahi herb15:26
herb* Bug #260171 continues to be a problem as well15:26
herbhi15:26
herb* Bug #252807 has cropped up a couple of times this week.15:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 156453 in loggerhead "production loggerhead branch leaks memory" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15645315:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 118625 in launchpad-bazaar "codebrowse sometimes hangs" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/11862515:26
herb* Bugs #49676 & #45419 are becoming more and more important as we spend more and more time dealing with spam on launchpad, a process which is far too manual.15:26
ubottuBug 260171 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/260171 is private15:26
ubottuBug 252807 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/252807 is private15:26
ubottuBug 49676 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/49676 is private15:26
Ursinhaholy cow15:26
Ursinharockstar, the loggerhead one you can comment, I guess15:26
Ursinhaalso the codebrowse hanging other15:27
rockstarI can, but I only saw the cherrypick, don't know the context.  I know we've been trying.15:27
rockstarPython sucks.15:27
rockstar:)15:27
Ursinhadon't say that15:27
Ursinha:)15:27
Ursinharockstar, what can you do about it?15:27
Ursinhatalk with beuno?15:28
sinzuiloggerhead's app and infrastructure sucks15:28
rockstarWe're working hard to try and get those leaks down, but right now, it's black magic.15:28
rockstarsinzui, it's gotten a lot better, but the memory usage hasn't gone down...  :/15:28
Ursinharockstar, well... the same thing as every week... comment on the bug and stuff15:28
rockstarI could expand that to "Python's tool support sucks"15:29
Ursinhaeven if the comment is "man, no idea wha't happening"15:29
al-maisanthis is a really cheerful meeting :)15:29
al-maisanall technology sucks BTW :)15:29
Ursinhaal-maisan, you should come over every weelk :)15:29
rockstarWell, I can do that once a week if you like.  I'll probably just use the API and a cron job.15:29
Ursinhaal-maisan, :)15:29
al-maisansure ;)15:29
herbrockstar: I think we can tolerate the memory usage being in the 1.5-2GB range if the app didn't go on walk about from time to time.  1.5-2GB and responding quickly is fine.  1.5-2GB and taking 10+ seconds to respond, no so much.15:30
rockstarherb: I'm 95% sure that the two are closely related.15:30
herbrockstar: I suspect so.15:30
herbrockstar: but I didn't want to focus on the memory issue and lose the performance problem in the process.15:31
rockstarWell, I'm pretty free for the next two weeks, so I'll probably check it out at some point.15:31
Ursinharockstar, great15:31
Ursinhaplease15:31
UrsinhaI pay you a coke on allhands15:31
rockstar:)15:31
Ursinha:)15:32
Ursinharight, the other problems15:32
Ursinhabug 260171 is also code15:32
ubottuBug 260171 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/260171 is private15:32
Ursinhabug 49676, sinzui, is this registry?15:33
ubottuBug 49676 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/49676 is private15:33
Ursinhadamn private bugs..15:33
sinzuiUrsinha: yes15:33
Ursinhasinzui, well, is something to be done about that?15:34
rockstarI know nothing about 260171 -- I'll have to wait for AsiaPac to wake up.15:34
Ursinharockstar, I see that are other code bugs15:34
Ursinhaor you or me can talk to them later15:34
rockstarUrsinha, yea, I'll bug 'em.  I need to bug mwh anyway.15:35
sinzuii am still planning a follow to my CHR email, the one where I ask how many man hours are we wasting doing manual labour when we could have built tools to do it for us15:35
rockstarBut we're almost all on leave for the next two weeks.15:35
sinzuiI don't want to commit to when these items will be fix until I really know their priority.15:36
Ursinha[ACTION] Ursinha and rockstar to talk to code people about 260171 and 25280715:36
MootBotACTION received:  Ursinha and rockstar to talk to code people about 260171 and 25280715:36
Ursinhasinzui, fair enough.15:36
Ursinha[ACTION] sinzui to find out the priority of automatizing manual processes such as bug 4967615:37
MootBotACTION received:  sinzui to find out the priority of automatizing manual processes such as bug 4967615:37
ubottuBug 49676 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/49676 is private15:37
Ursinhais that ok?15:37
ubottuBug 49676 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/49676 is private15:37
rockstarUrsinha, 252807 is being solved bf abentley's work.  It'll probably be in 2.2.115:37
rockstars/bf/by15:37
Ursinharockstar, right15:37
Ursinharockstar, can you ask him to do a follow-up in the bug15:38
Ursinhaplease?15:38
Ursinhaand assign it to 2.2.1 milestone, if appropriated15:38
rockstarUrsinha, he's on leave 'til next year.15:38
Ursinharockstar, well, I can do that so15:39
rockstarI don't know the details of his work though, so I can't make a solid commitment on when it'll land though.15:39
Ursinha[ACTION] talk to abentley about the status of bug 25280715:39
MootBotACTION received:  talk to abentley about the status of bug 25280715:39
ubottuBug 252807 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/252807 is private15:39
ubottuBug 252807 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/252807 is private15:39
Ursinhathat's okay15:39
Ursinhaanything else for herb?15:40
Ursinhamoving on15:40
Ursinha[TOPIC] * DBA report (stub)15:40
Ursinhaas jvt mail said, also flacoste, stub is offline, so isn't here15:40
Ursinhaeverything went fine in the rollout15:40
MootBotNew Topic:  * DBA report (stub)15:40
Ursinhaanything for stub?15:40
UrsinhaI'll mail him later, if needed15:40
Ursinhaif not, and everyone's okay with that, and have nothing to say, I'll declare finished our last production meeting of 200815:41
flacosteobjectivion!15:41
flacostei have something15:41
Ursinhayou always do :)15:41
Ursinhago ahead15:41
flacoste:-)15:41
flacostethere has been one r-c branched landed after the roll-out15:41
flacostecprov's branch15:41
flacosteis there any other r-c issues today15:41
flacoste?15:41
Ursinhaflacoste, not that I'm aware of15:42
flacosteanything that we need to fix and make as part of a follow-up roll-out?15:42
rockstarNot from code15:42
Ursinhano weird oopses15:42
Ursinhano strange bugs, afai checked15:42
flacostei've seen one, but i'm not sure yet if we should worry about it15:42
Ursinhaflacoste, oops?15:42
Ursinhaor bug?15:42
Ursinhaor what15:43
flacosteyeah OOPS-1082A215515:43
ubottuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1082A215515:43
flacoste14 of those15:43
Ursinhathis one I was investigating before the meeting15:43
Ursinhabut couldn't do it on time15:43
Ursinhaflacoste, are you doing the same?15:43
flacosteUrsinha: yes, i'll have a look at it15:44
Ursinhathanks flacoste15:44
flacostesinzui, cprov, henninge: anything else?15:44
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Ursinha[ACTION] flacoste to look at OOPS-1082A215515:44
ubottuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1082A215515:44
MootBotACTION received:  flacoste to look at OOPS-1082A215515:44
ubottuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1082A215515:44
henningenope15:44
flacostecprov: does you r-c landing warrants a re-roll?15:44
Ursinhaflacoste, I'll let you know if something weird appears15:44
al-maisancprov i snot here15:44
al-maisanis not here15:44
Ursinhaflacoste, I guess cprov is out15:44
Ursinhaas al-maisan said :)15:44
al-maisanI believe he is collecting his wife from the airport15:45
sinzuiflacoste: nothing from me15:45
al-maisanI don't know of any rc's in Soyuz land15:45
Ursinhaal-maisan, do you know if he will return?15:45
al-maisanUrsinha: he certaily will .. the question is when :)15:46
Ursinhalol15:46
Ursinhasorry15:46
al-maisan*certainly*15:46
UrsinhaI mean today15:46
flacostethe landing was about:15:46
flacosteClearer PPA signing key UID format15:46
flacoste        ('Launchpad %(ppa.title)s').15:46
Ursinhaal-maisan, https://dev.launchpad.net/SoyuzTestPlan/2.1.1215:46
Ursinhathe items needstesting in there15:46
UrsinhaI guess15:46
* al-maisan takes a look15:46
Ursinhathe one flacoste pointed15:47
Ursinhaexactly :)15:47
flacosteUrsinha: ok, so i'll postpone the decision for a re-roll to the investigation of the OOPs and cprov prodiving info on the branch15:47
Ursinhaflacoste, okay15:47
al-maisanre. cprov, he is also not feeling well today .. he might have to go and see a doctor15:47
Ursinhaworth a quick call to him?15:48
Ursinhavery quick15:48
al-maisanwhat do you mean?15:48
Ursinhaor asking kiko maybe15:48
al-maisancall him on the phone?15:48
Ursinhaal-maisan, yes, the old technology15:49
Ursinha:)15:49
al-maisankiko is travelling15:49
Ursinhaso we have no way out15:49
Ursinhaflacoste, what do you suggest?15:49
flacosteUrsinha, al-maisan: i'll call his cell15:49
Ursinhaflacoste, great, thanks15:49
Ursinhaanything else?15:49
al-maisanwhy is the call necessary?15:49
al-maisanwhat is the matter of urgency?15:49
flacosteal-maisan: to decide if we are doing another roll-out today or not15:50
Ursinhato decide about the re-roll15:50
Ursinhayes15:50
flacosteal-maisan: iow, does this branch needs to be in production15:50
al-maisanthis one: r7471 [testfix][release-critical] Fixing test failure in the previous revision. ?15:50
flacosteal-maisan: the previous one15:50
Ursinhaal-maisan, no, the previous one15:50
al-maisanah, I see.15:51
flacostewell, both of them actually15:51
flacostesince they go together :-)15:51
Ursinha:)15:51
al-maisanproposal: I will check later to see whether cprov is back on-line15:51
flacosteal-maisan: cool15:51
al-maisanif not, I can give him a call and ask the question15:51
Ursinhaal-maisan, alright15:51
Ursinhathanks15:51
Ursinhawell15:52
Ursinhaanything else?15:52
Ursinhasoooo15:53
UrsinhaThank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Production Meeting, the last one of the year 2008! Happy Holidays everyone, see you all next year! See the channel topic for the location of the logs.15:53
Ursinha#endmeeting15:53
MootBotMeeting finished at 09:53.15:53
rockstarThanks Ursinha!15:53
Ursinhayay!15:53
Ursinhathank you all guys15:53
henningeHappy holidays to you, too!15:53
Ursinhahenninge, thanks!15:53
al-maisanBye!15:54
intellectronicathanks Ursinha15:55
Rinchen /msg ChanServ DROP #launchpad-code c78a48bd:bd76b7dc20:50
mwhudsonRinchen: hi :)20:50
Rinchenah, a space!20:50
Rinchenthanks20:50
Rinchenwe're moving from launchpad-code on freenode to launchpad-dev20:50
Rinchenso I dropped the reserved channel20:51
thumperRinchen: we are moving now?20:51
Rinchenno20:51
mwhudsonlaunchpad-code on irc.internal to launchpad-dev on freenode, you mean?20:51
RinchenI'm just doing housekeeping20:51
mwhudsonor??20:51
mwhudsonah, ok20:51
Rinchenyes20:51
Rinchenyes mwhudson20:51
Rinchenit was going from -code to -code but we decided today to go to launchpad-dev to adhere with freenode conventions20:52
Rinchenand of course, we already have the channel20:52
Rinchenit's just locked up tighter than thumper's daughters20:52
thumper:)20:52

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