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| hggdh | that was a marvelous answer, pochu ;-) | 01:18 |
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| pochu | hehe | 01:25 |
| pochu | I hope it didn't sound too bad :) | 01:25 |
| hggdh | no, it did not (at least to me) | 01:26 |
| ember | pochu the patch ftbfs or doesn't apply? | 02:00 |
| pochu | ember: ftbfs. | 02:00 |
| ember | with undef ? | 02:01 |
| pochu | ember: sorry? | 02:06 |
| ember | pochu the error of the ftbfs? | 02:09 |
| hggdh | calc, ping | 02:10 |
| ember | well pochu that ftbfs is due to the autoconf patch | 02:11 |
| ember | the autoconf patch didn't catch up the launchpad-integration on configure.in and it needs | 02:12 |
| pochu | ember: oh, right | 02:12 |
| pochu | ember: sorry about that | 02:13 |
| pochu | I'll try to fix it tomorrow if I have time | 02:13 |
| ember | np, thanks | 02:13 |
| pochu | gtg to bed, too late here | 02:13 |
| * pochu waves good night :) | 02:13 | |
| ember | good night | 02:14 |
| calc | hggdh: hi | 02:38 |
| calc | hggdh: whats up? | 02:39 |
| calc | hggdh: i'm at a loco meeting so didn't see your message earlier | 02:40 |
| hggdh | calc, np -- it was about bug 303528 | 02:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 303528 in evolution "Message Filters targeting IMAP folders point to local@local" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/303528 | 02:43 |
| hggdh | but I cleared it up with slangasek -- I was indeed marking wrong | 02:43 |
| calc | hggdh: oh ok | 02:44 |
| calc | hggdh: i wasn't sure after hearing that apparently ubuntu desktop team uses fixed committed differently | 02:44 |
| hggdh | yes, we do | 02:44 |
| rlaager | So, Fix Committed is upstream or for the package (but not released)? | 02:44 |
| hggdh | that was my understanding and this was how we always did. But... work has had me out for a while. I will check out with seb tomorrow | 02:45 |
| hggdh | FWIW, we should have 2.24.2.1 soon out, perhaps before end of next week | 02:46 |
| hggdh | (I mean upstream) | 02:46 |
| hggdh | rlaager, correct | 02:46 |
| rlaager | hggdh: I was asking which of those two options. | 02:47 |
| hggdh | both... if it is for the upstream task, then fix commited is when they commit to SVN (or whatever); if it is for an Ubuntu task, only when it is in a local | 02:48 |
| hggdh | SCCS, or in -proposed | 02:48 |
| hggdh | although I personally do not see how 'fix committed' can ever be used for an upstream task. Ah well | 02:49 |
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| duanedesign | A feature request that is asking for a different arrow icon depending on whether or not a CD is in the drive.Would the appropriatte package be nautilus or human-theme. Is nautilus capable of changing the icon based on the status? | 03:47 |
| dobey | a different arrow icon? you mean a different icon that also means "eject the drive tray"? | 04:52 |
| duanedesign | the person who submitted the bug was requesting the ejevt icon be different depending on whether or not a cd was in the drive | 04:53 |
| dobey | what would the icon be for no disc in the drive? | 04:54 |
| dobey | it's not like the button on the hardware has a different icon based on whether or not there is a disc there or not | 04:54 |
| jmarsden | dobey: You could have an arrow over a disc-like thing when there is a disk in the drive, and a plain arrow when the drive is empty? | 04:55 |
| dobey | it's always the same |> icon | 04:55 |
| dobey | jmarsden: i really don't think it makes sense to do that | 04:55 |
| jmarsden | dobey: It is the same now, there is a request to change that ;) | 04:55 |
| duanedesign | In Intrepid the icon to the left changes from a cd drive to a cd standing up. The orange arrow does not. I suggested modifying the icon that already changes. | 04:55 |
| jmarsden | Then add a comment to the bug report explaining your reasoning. | 04:55 |
| dobey | i know what it is now, and i know what the request is | 04:55 |
| dobey | what bug? | 04:55 |
| duanedesign | I already had it changed to wishlist | 04:56 |
| jmarsden | bug 309146 | 04:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 309146 in nautilus "change eject icon on CD / DVD drive when no media present" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309146 | 04:56 |
| duanedesign | I am half wanting to know for the report and half because I am new to triage and am trying to learn as much as possible:) | 04:56 |
| duanedesign | thats it | 04:56 |
| dobey | sh, erll | 05:01 |
| dobey | err | 05:01 |
| dobey | ah, well | 05:01 |
| * dobey is perhaps "a little more knowledgeable" in the area of icon themes and such | 05:02 | |
| duanedesign | cool thank you | 05:03 |
| duanedesign | I noticed while testing this that the text also changes to the CD's name (in addition to the icon on the left) | 05:04 |
| dobey | sort of | 05:04 |
| dobey | it's not necessarily that it "changes" | 05:04 |
| dobey | it's more like "the mounted volume appears" and "the drive disappears" | 05:05 |
| duanedesign | ohhhh | 05:05 |
| duanedesign | ;) | 05:05 |
| duanedesign | thank you again for the help. | 05:07 |
| dobey | sure | 05:07 |
| pochu | mvo: thanks for the upload! :) | 09:50 |
| mvo | pochu: thanks for the update :) | 09:50 |
| mvo | ember: I be happy to sponsor tomboy and brasero when the milestone freeze is over | 09:51 |
| mvo | s/I be/I will e/ | 09:51 |
| mvo | njpatel: hi, netbook-launcher in jaunty probably needs a libgnomeui-2.0 pkgconfig check/addition in jaunty somehwere (just FYI, not urgent or anything) | 09:59 |
| Flegel | hi all ! =) can you help me with pam ? | 10:05 |
| njpatel | mvo: Okay thanks, I'll add it to the todo :-) | 10:12 |
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| * mvo hugs pedro_ (just because) | 11:11 | |
| * pedro_ hugs mvo back | 11:11 | |
| crevette | salut seb128 | 12:58 |
| crevette | ca va bien ? | 12:58 |
| seb128 | lut crevette | 12:58 |
| seb128 | oui, et toi? | 12:58 |
| crevette | ouep, day off encore aujourdhui | 12:58 |
| crevette | :) | 12:58 |
| crevette | okay let continue in english | 12:58 |
| crevette | I've packaged nautilus-cd-burner but It FTBFS | 12:59 |
| crevette | I did a patch | 12:59 |
| seb128 | what error? | 12:59 |
| crevette | it uses a non existant gtk function | 12:59 |
| seb128 | which one? | 13:00 |
| crevette | gtk_dialog_message instead of _new if I recall | 13:00 |
| crevette | let me find that | 13:00 |
| seb128 | ah ok, did you ping upstream about that? | 13:00 |
| crevette | yeap it was already fixed | 13:00 |
| crevette | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=564889 | 13:01 |
| seb128 | ok, so just backport the change | 13:01 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 564889 in cd-burner "n-c-b failed to build" [Major,Resolved: notabug] | 13:01 |
| seb128 | rebooting | 13:01 |
| seb128 | re | 13:05 |
| seb128 | crevette: so what is the issue after backporting the change? | 13:05 |
| crevette | seb128: no one | 13:05 |
| crevette | it works fine | 13:05 |
| seb128 | cool | 13:05 |
| seb128 | ready to be sponsored now then? | 13:05 |
| crevette | however I have 2 questions | 13:05 |
| crevette | now ncb create a menu in Applications-> System | 13:06 |
| crevette | *creates* | 13:06 |
| crevette | do we keep it ? | 13:06 |
| seb128 | what does it do? run nautilus-cd-burner? | 13:07 |
| crevette | yep | 13:07 |
| seb128 | I would say it should be moved to video and sound or accessories | 13:07 |
| crevette | I've suggested Accesories | 13:07 |
| crevette | to myself only | 13:07 |
| crevette | :) | 13:07 |
| seb128 | I would say that too | 13:07 |
| seb128 | we have brasero in video and sound though | 13:07 |
| crevette | okay | 13:07 |
| crevette | ah | 13:08 |
| crevette | true | 13:08 |
| seb128 | well, we install brasero by default | 13:08 |
| seb128 | I would say we don't need to duplicate the feature so maybe don't list the nautilus-cd-burner entry by default | 13:08 |
| crevette | seb128: yeah but ncb should have removed its entrey form the panel Raccourcis | 13:09 |
| crevette | in my build it doens't seems to e removed, perhaps it is due to a patch in panel | 13:09 |
| seb128 | the menu is a gnome-panel one | 13:10 |
| seb128 | we didn't package the new version yet | 13:10 |
| seb128 | it's still available in nautilus and used when double clicking on an iso for example | 13:10 |
| seb128 | you can move it to accessories for now we will figure later what to do | 13:11 |
| crevette | yep | 13:11 |
| crevette | let's do that | 13:11 |
| crevette | I do a patch right now, I've some free time | 13:11 |
| * mvo waves to seb128 | 13:15 | |
| seb128 | hey mvo! | 13:15 |
| mvo | seb128: something in the pkgconfig files changes it seems, some of the uploads needed a libgnomeui-dev b-d that was not needed before (just fyi) | 13:15 |
| mvo | I haven't really digged into it | 13:16 |
| seb128 | mvo: GNOME is trying to reduce the number of libraries used, they are basically stopping using libgnome and libgnomeui when they can | 13:17 |
| seb128 | mvo: it's possible that some packages which use libgnomeui didn't claim the depends correctly and were working because other libs triggered the depends which they stop doing | 13:18 |
| seb128 | mvo: those should be fixed and depends directly on the libs they use | 13:18 |
| vuntz | crevette: ncb will be removed upstream from the menu. I was just waiting that it gets a desktop file for the standard menu, and it got one now, iirc | 13:19 |
| crevette | thanks my vuntzounet | 13:19 |
| crevette | :) | 13:19 |
| crevette | vuntz: I thought I was laready removed | 13:19 |
| seb128 | we will not get the new gnome-panel this year anyway so no hurry ;-) | 13:20 |
| seb128 | the warning about abi breakage doesn't seem somebody to upload the day before everybody runs in holidays | 13:20 |
| vuntz | seb128: I wonder how many things can be impacted by the change | 13:23 |
| vuntz | we fixed 3 issues in gnome, iirc. But they were all errors inside the modules (either they were not checking for libgnomeui in configure, or they were missing some include) | 13:23 |
| vuntz | fwiw, I have a plan in case the change is too painful | 13:24 |
| seb128 | vuntz: speaking about the libgnomeui depends or the gnome-panel changes? | 13:24 |
| vuntz | seb128: gnome-panel change | 13:24 |
| vuntz | did libgnomeui have a change? | 13:24 |
| seb128 | vuntz: no, but what mvo mentionned before, gnome-desktop stopped depending on it which breaks some software which are using libgnomeui but not pkg-config-ing it | 13:25 |
| vuntz | yeah | 13:25 |
| vuntz | so, same issue for libpanel-applet | 13:25 |
| seb128 | let's fix the applications | 13:25 |
| seb128 | things which use a lib but doesn't pkg-config it correctly are buggy and should be fixed anyway | 13:26 |
| vuntz | would be interesting to see the applications depending on gnome-desktop. I wonder what they use in there | 13:26 |
| seb128 | that's not really a breakage | 13:26 |
| crevette | seb128: you can get the ncb files from https://edge.launchpad.net/~bmillemathias/+archive/ | 13:26 |
| * vuntz is planning to deprecate GnomeDesktopItem so we can remove it in a few cycles | 13:26 | |
| seb128 | vuntz: compiz deskbar-applet eel2 eog epiphany-browser gnome-applets gnome-control-center gnome-desktop gnome-panel gnome-python-desktop gnome-screensaver gnome-settings-daemon gnome-utils nautilus trackers | 13:28 |
| seb128 | vuntz: that's what is using gnome-desktop in main | 13:28 |
| seb128 | vuntz: avant-window-navigator awn-extras-applets epiphany-browser galeon gnome-desktop-sharp2 gnome-launch-box gnome-main-menu go-home-applet icewm nautilus-open-terminal netbook-launcher quick-lounge-applet | 13:28 |
| seb128 | vuntz: and that's in universe | 13:28 |
| vuntz | seb128: using rdepends? | 13:29 |
| seb128 | vuntz: using build-depends | 13:29 |
| vuntz | oh, build-depends | 13:29 |
| vuntz | cool | 13:29 |
| seb128 | vuntz: deskbar-applet does | 13:30 |
| seb128 | name=desktop.get_localestring(gnomedesktop.KEY_NAME), | 13:30 |
| seb128 | icon=desktop.get_string(gnomedesktop.KEY_ICON), | 13:30 |
| seb128 | for example | 13:30 |
| vuntz | bah | 13:30 |
| vuntz | maybe I'll make patches | 13:30 |
| seb128 | maybe they fixed it already, I've 2.25.1 there | 13:30 |
| vuntz | how was uds, btw? | 13:31 |
| seb128 | good! | 13:31 |
| seb128 | as usual | 13:31 |
| seb128 | not so many interesting desktop sessions to be honest | 13:31 |
| seb128 | but was nice to see everybody again | 13:32 |
| seb128 | and lot of interesting discussions out of sessions | 13:32 |
| vuntz | cool | 13:32 |
| seb128 | want to come to the next one? ;-) | 13:32 |
| vuntz | don't know if I'll have time, if it makes sense, if people will want me, etc. Too early to guess :-) | 13:33 |
| andreasn | where is it? | 13:33 |
| andreasn | france? | 13:33 |
| crevette | andreasn: in your living room :) | 13:33 |
| andreasn | oh, with the cats and stuff | 13:33 |
| andreasn | sure, works for me. Need to clean up a bit first though | 13:33 |
| crevette | France would be nice, I might come | 13:33 |
| andreasn | I better do that anyway, people coming over tomorrow | 13:34 |
| seb128 | andreasn: no, I would say spain but some people say catalonia is not spain | 13:34 |
| seb128 | vuntz: gnome-utils uses gnome_desktop_item_launch_on_screen() | 13:34 |
| crevette | arfg | 13:34 |
| crevette | as usual | 13:34 |
| vuntz | andreasn: I have to blog about you! | 13:34 |
| andreasn | vuntz: why? | 13:34 |
| crevette | vuntz: its gf is pregnant ? | 13:34 |
| vuntz | andreasn: you'll see :-) | 13:34 |
| andreasn | I'll blog about you! | 13:34 |
| andreasn | I have some really cool vuntz quotes that are actually real | 13:35 |
| vuntz | I have some really cool andreasn quotes that are actually real | 13:35 |
| seb128 | vuntz: most of the gnome-desktop uses are light, I guess it'll be easy to replace those by something else | 13:35 |
| andreasn | "every day, my first thought is that I'm just so greater than everybody on earth" - Vincent | 13:35 |
| seb128 | vuntz: I can make a list of everything using GnomeDesktopItem if you want | 13:36 |
| vuntz | seb128: well, if you have really nothing to do, feel free to do so :-) | 13:38 |
| seb128 | vuntz: well, it's only doing an apt-get source on the list I gave you and grep | 13:38 |
| vuntz | sure | 13:39 |
| vuntz | actually, it'd be nice to be able to do so for any library | 13:39 |
| vuntz | "analyze-libusage libwnck", eg | 13:39 |
| seb128 | vuntz: only 9 in main for this one | 13:42 |
| seb128 | and that's counting libwnck itself so rather 8 | 13:42 |
| vuntz | seb128: yep, but it'd be interesting to see what API are used, so that I can know if it's okay to remove an API, eg | 13:43 |
| seb128 | right | 13:43 |
| seb128 | doing "in what source is this api used" should be easy | 13:43 |
| seb128 | vuntz: there is 64 source files listing GnomeDesktopItem in ubuntu | 13:55 |
| seb128 | vuntz: which means 17 sources packages | 13:56 |
| seb128 | that's not too many changes to do | 13:56 |
| seb128 | gnome-python-desktop should probably not count since it's only wrapping it | 13:57 |
| seb128 | vuntz: the main offender seems to be libslab ;-) | 13:57 |
| vuntz | seb128: heh | 13:59 |
| seb128 | vuntz: gnome-applets only use gnome_desktop_item_launch_on_screen() twice for example, should be easy to change | 13:59 |
| vuntz | "kill it!" would be my way to go ;-) | 13:59 |
| seb128 | if ((ditem = gnome_desktop_item_new_from_basename ("gnome-volume-control.desktop", 0, NULL))) { | 13:59 |
| seb128 | gnome_desktop_item_set_launch_time (ditem, gtk_get_current_event_time ()); | 13:59 |
| seb128 | gnome_desktop_item_launch_on_screen (ditem, NULL, | 13:59 |
| seb128 | for example | 13:59 |
| seb128 | and same in the multiload applet | 13:59 |
| dobey | hmm | 14:01 |
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| gicmo | seb128!! | 14:23 |
| seb128 | gicmo: !! | 14:24 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 14:24 |
| gicmo | pretty good, how about you? | 14:27 |
| seb128 | gicmo: got a cold but otherwise good | 14:28 |
| seb128 | I blame the airplane, etc | 14:28 |
| crevette | seb128: does going in nautilus preferenes makes it crash | 14:43 |
| crevette | or anyone with latest jaunty | 14:43 |
| seb128 | crevette: no | 14:45 |
| seb128 | crevette: stacktrace? | 14:45 |
| lapo | hi | 15:15 |
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| pochu | seb128: hey | 16:59 |
| seb128 | hello pochu | 16:59 |
| gicmo | servus glatzor | 17:00 |
| pochu | seb128: I think I have a libproxy package ready :) | 17:00 |
| seb128 | pochu: I've just seen you are working on libproxy on #gnome-debian ;-) | 17:00 |
| seb128 | cool | 17:00 |
| gicmo | anybody going to package me the linux-iphone stuff? | 17:00 |
| gicmo | ;-) | 17:00 |
| pochu | seb128: I'm not sure of the plugins split though... I've put the networkmanager, gnome, kde, webkit and xulrunner plugins all in the same binary | 17:00 |
| seb128 | ah right, that too, maybe pochu wants to have a look too ;-) | 17:00 |
| gicmo | http://matt.colyer.name/projects/iphone-linux/ | 17:00 |
| pochu | so it depends on a lot of libs | 17:00 |
| seb128 | pochu: I'll have a look later and let you know what I think | 17:00 |
| pochu | seb128: cool, thanks :-) | 17:01 |
| seb128 | pochu: could be worth asking on #gnome-debian too what people think about that | 17:01 |
| pochu | yeah, gonna do | 17:02 |
| glatzor | servus gicmo | 17:02 |
| pochu | can't has iphone :( | 17:05 |
| pochu | configure.ac | 11 ++++++----- | 17:06 |
| pochu | ^-- I think that's my record with a configure patch :) | 17:06 |
| pochu | and it was already fixed in trunk... | 17:10 |
| gicmo | ups | 17:38 |
| norsetto | pochu, good luck with your DD application, you deserve it ;-) | 18:31 |
| asac | at some point in gnome i was able to see all the windows filesystem | 18:47 |
| asac | s | 18:47 |
| asac | that seems to be gone | 18:47 |
| asac | when was that feature dumped? | 18:48 |
| gicmo | asac, maybe with the transition from gnome-vfs to gvfs | 18:51 |
| asac | hmm | 18:51 |
| dobey | able to see in what sense? | 18:51 |
| dobey | smb shares? or local vfat/ntfs partitions? | 18:51 |
| gicmo | dobey, no matter what, my answer still applies ;-) | 18:53 |
| asac | ntfs | 18:53 |
| asac | but i think i found it | 18:53 |
| dobey | gicmo: i don't think local partitions have anything to do with gnome-vfs/gvfs switch :) | 18:53 |
| dobey | i can see them just fine in intrepid | 18:54 |
| asac | applets should definitly never allow users to remove from panel if they are locked from panel | 18:54 |
| asac | thats for sure | 18:54 |
| gicmo | dobey, sure they do... we redid the whole volume monitoring | 18:54 |
| asac | my mother removed her gnome menu ... thats messy ... and should never happen ;) | 18:54 |
| dobey | yeah that's probably true | 18:54 |
| dobey | gicmo: yes, but hal still enumerates them as disks. we didn't get rid of hal yet :) | 18:55 |
| gicmo | dobey, well but we hide "system" partitions and have other magic in it | 18:55 |
| dobey | my xp ntfs partition shows up just fine under computer:/// | 18:55 |
| gicmo | dobey, mount it somewhere special and its gone | 18:56 |
| dobey | gicmo: as in mount -t ntfs /dev/hda /mnt/blah? | 18:56 |
| dobey | sure | 18:57 |
| dobey | but if i double-click it in computer it mounts and i can browse just fine | 18:57 |
| dobey | my shared vfat partition though, doesn't show up in computer:/// because i mount it in /etc/fstab in /mnt/media, for example | 18:57 |
| gicmo | yep | 18:58 |
| dobey | because having to mount manually every time i reboot is a pain in the ass | 18:58 |
| gicmo | totally meant that | 18:58 |
| dobey | but i bookmarked my shared partition, so it doesn't really matter either way :) | 18:58 |
| pochu | norsetto: thanks! I'm waiting to be asigned an AM... luckily I'm patient :-) | 19:55 |
| norsetto | pochu: yeah, I'm afraid that's the most required qualification for an applicant ;-) | 20:18 |
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