[00:03] <Memfis> Nice screen shot. Where'd he go?
[00:04] <knome> idk
[00:04] <Memfis> lol
[00:05] <Memfis> anyone know how to get wpa working on an orienco minipci ?
[00:05] <Memfis> the cards detected, and tried wep. but theres no wpa option.
[00:05] <knome> idk that either, you might search the forums
[00:05] <knome> !wpa
[00:06] <knome> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[00:06] <Memfis> would help If I knew how to spell orionco or what ever it's called lol
[00:06] <Memfis> Thanks for links will read.
[00:06] <knome> orinoco
[00:07] <Memfis> thats the one lol
[00:15] <Memfis> If I go to edit connection I can set wpa. But as soon as I try to activate it, it asks for key & will only accept wep. odd.
[00:29] <filipegatti> why rar doesn't come already installed? :P
[00:32] <knome> filipegatti, we don't want to encourage people to use rar.
[00:34] <filipegatti> and how can I unzip rar files? using 7z?
[00:35] <knome> filipegatti, search for "rar" in synaptic.
[00:37] <filipegatti> hm
[00:37] <filipegatti> unrar-free
[00:37] <filipegatti> well there is a lot of packages
[00:37] <filipegatti> there are*
[00:37] <filipegatti> damn portuguese
[00:38] <filipegatti> knome, which one you do encourage to use?
[00:39] <knome> filipegatti, gzip and bzip2 are supported at least
[00:39] <knome> i mean ootb
[00:39] <knome> those are the most common also
[00:44] <filipegatti> hm
[00:45] <filipegatti> i'm not sure if synaptic is showing these packages. but i guess xarchiver is the best option here
[00:48] <filipegatti> or this p7zip-full
[00:54] <filipegatti> knome, any hint on how to use this p7zip? :s i've installed it but I don't know the command to run it yet.
[00:54] <filipegatti> yes, i guess this can sound some stupid questions though, so i'm sorry
[00:55] <Memfis> orinoco is run by agre, which was bought by lsi. However going to lsi's website clicking on download (hoping for an updated linux driver) gives this page : http://www.lsi.com/cm/DownloadSearch.do?locale=EN
[00:55] <Memfis> a blank page. Thanks lsi! Really helpful. grrrrrr
[00:56] <filipegatti> how professional
[00:56] <filipegatti> :(
[00:56] <Memfis> doesn't help if you take the locale off either
[00:57] <Memfis> Agere < correct spelling for logs.
[00:58] <Memfis> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OrinocoMonitorMode/0.15x    < this is the exact same chipset I have. I don't need monitor mode. Just wpa would do.
[01:10] <filipegatti> Memfis, any hint on this? http://pastebin.com/d544d63b9
[01:11] <Memfis> nope I've used unrar before without problems
[01:11] <filipegatti> this one is the p7zip-full :(
[01:12] <Memfis> I've always tar.gz'd stuff. or unrar when required
[01:14] <filipegatti> knome told me that xubuntu is not encouraging people to use rar/unrar, so I tried this one. I think I'll download xarchiver (which uses p7zip)
[01:15] <Memfis> just install unrar ;)
[01:16] <knome> filipegatti, of course it's ok to unrar your old archives. but we don't encourage making more rar packages so that's why rar isn't installed by default
[01:17] <filipegatti> yes, i understood knome. what i only tried to do was install an compresser that would unzip every format.
[01:19] <knome> ah ok
[01:24] <Memfis> http://www.nongnu.org/orinoco
[01:24] <Memfis> download, make, make install. Except it fails :(
[01:25] <Memfis> /home/memfis/orinoco-0.15/Kbuild:34: *** Wireless extensions are not enabled. Stop.
[01:25] <Memfis> No mention in Decumentation or mail archives what this is.
[01:34] <redwyrm> wait
[01:34] <redwyrm> you can't open .rar on xubuntu 8.10?
[01:36] <redwyrm> can someone link me to a .rar file so I can test it on my system?
[01:37] <Memfis> I can make one.
[01:37] <Memfis> uploading
[01:39] <Memfis> http://80.77.245.130/test.rar
[01:39] <Memfis> contains a firefox readme.
[01:39] <redwyrm> thanks!
[01:39] <Memfis> np
[01:39] <redwyrm> okay, it works with file-roller
[01:49] <Memfis> grr I cant compile this driver.
[01:50] <aliksy> I'm kind of a newb and I followed the directions I found on the web, but I can't get sound juicer to rip as .mp3.. can someone help me, please?
[01:52] <redwyrm> aliksy, have you enabled restricted formats for your system?
[01:53] <aliksy> yeah. i can play mp3s, if that's telling.
[01:54] <redwyrm> hold on, I'm going to try it on a CD
[01:54] <redwyrm> (if I can find one in my room... most are in my car)
[01:55] <Odd-rationale> aliksy: did you install xubuntu-restricted-extras yet?
[01:55] <aliksy> i think so
[01:55] <Odd-rationale> aliksy: you can check in synaptic package manager.
[01:56] <aliksy> yeah. says it's installed
[01:56] <redwyrm> what error messages are you getting?
[01:57] <aliksy> it's not letting me select mp3 from the menu even though mp3 is checked as 'active'
[01:57] <aliksy> I dunno if that means I'm being exceptionally dumb or something
[01:57] <redwyrm> it let me select MP3 from the menu
[01:58] <redwyrm> and I just ripped a few songs that play fine
[01:58] <redwyrm> hmm
[01:58] <redwyrm> Odd-rationale, would it make a difference if aliksy installed sound-juicer before installing xubuntu-restricted-extras?
[01:58] <Odd-rationale> redwyrm: no it should not...
[01:59] <Odd-rationale> aliksy: i suppose you already tried restarting sound juicer?
[01:59] <aliksy> yeah. no effect from that
[01:59] <Odd-rationale> aliksy: what version of xubuntu is this?
[02:00] <aliksy> where would it tell me that? i installed it a few months (3?) ago
[02:00] <Odd-rationale> aliksy: do "lsb_release -a" in terminal
[02:01] <aliksy> 8.04.1 hardy
[02:02] <Odd-rationale> ok. that's good.
[02:06] <aliksy> no other ideas? I could rip things as .ogg, I guess
[02:06] <Odd-rationale> yeah. i prefer flac myself...
[02:06] <filipegatti> flac > *
[02:07] <filipegatti> aliksy, there is no need to rip as mp3, unless you're hoping to use it with a mp3 player
[02:07] <aliksy> Don't have the HD space for that
[02:07] <aliksy> I suppose so.  Though it's kind of a matter of principle now, too. I wanna know why it's not working..
[02:08] <filipegatti> actually I only listen to online radios, the music I have on my computer is only to add in my mobile :-)
[02:08] <aliksy> i listen to pandora.com a lot
[02:08] <Odd-rationale> i have 6.1 gb of music.
[02:08] <Memfis> looks like I'm going to have to uninstall XUbuntu :(
[02:09] <cody-somerville> Memfis, why?
[02:09] <Odd-rationale> and i listen to last.fm: http://www.last.fm/user/Odd-rationale
[02:10] <Memfis> because there are no drivers that support orinoco wpa that I can get to work.
[02:10] <redwyrm> aliksy, you could do it the old school way if you really want .mp3
[02:10] <Memfis> only option appears to be a kernel rebuild which is way beyond my skill level.
[02:10] <redwyrm> write a script that pipes cdparanoia output to lame
[02:10] <Memfis> & I'm not sure that that would solve it.
[02:11] <redwyrm> bbl
[02:11] <cody-somerville> Memfis, :(
[02:11] <Odd-rationale> aliksy: also, try another ripper... another one i like is abcde: http://www.andrews-corner.org/abcde.html
[02:11] <cody-somerville> Memfis, does it work in Ubuntu?
[02:11] <Memfis> doubt it.
[02:11] <aliksy> I'll take a look at abcde.  I don't think I'd know how to pipe output anywhere
[02:13] <Memfis> I cant get drivers to compile, and if I could, they'd clash with kernel drivers.
[02:23] <Memfis> Dang it. I was just getting into this Xubuntu GUI stuff.
[02:23] <Memfis> I'll have another look tomorrow, but it seams it's back to XP for me.
[02:23] <Memfis> Good Night all.
[02:27] <ball> hello R[a]ndom
[02:28] <R1cochet> hi ball
[02:28] <R[a]ndom> o/
[02:30] <aliksy> when i click help in a lot of applications I get an error.  "There was an error launching the default action command associated with this function."  What's that about?
[02:37] <filipegatti> how can I add a new theme? I've downloaded a gtk and a xfwm4 theme, I need to install both, right? how can I do that?
[02:44] <R1cochet> is there a way to mount a .iso file on a virtural drive?
[02:45] <R1cochet> virtual*
[02:45] <R[a]ndom> mount -o loop file.iso /location
[02:46] <R[a]ndom> or something.  could be slightly off. i dont do it too often
[02:58] <filipegatti> ok, theme installed :P
[02:58] <filipegatti> what browser do you recommend me to use to keep xubuntu the most lightweight possible? epiphany?
[03:01] <ball> SeaMonkey
[03:01] <redwyrm> kazehakase is pretty lightweight
[03:01] <ball> brb
[03:03] <MattBnr> i cant get xubuntu to even install
[03:06] <MattBnr> it gets to the select and install software part then stops at 6%
[03:07] <charlie-tca> MattBnr: depending on the system, it can take 30minutes there. Sometimes it helps to hit the shift keys a half dozen times, too
[03:07] <MattBnr> well it gets to 6% then gives a big red box saying it failed
[03:08] <MattBnr> im checking the integrity of th cd now
[03:08] <MattBnr> the*
[03:08] <charlie-tca> Ooops! That's a good idea, check the cd
[03:08] <MattBnr> its an old windows ME computer i had 850Mhz processor and 128mb ram
[03:09] <charlie-tca> 128mb is pretty tight. I install on 256mb here. Anyway to add a little?
[03:09] <charlie-tca> Are you using the desktop cd or the alternate cd?
[03:10] <filipegatti> i recommend the alternate cd in this case
[03:11] <charlie-tca> I do too, which is why I asked.
[03:12] <MattBnr> alternate
[03:12] <MattBnr> mmm the integrit check failed
[03:13] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that will cause it to hang, all right
[03:36] <imfluxible> hola guys... anybody have any experience with Sabrent USB 2.0 HDTV Tuner or similar products that 'turn your pc or laptop into an HDTV'?
[03:40] <at> hey everyone just installed Xubuntu on a dell m90 precision and having some problems with wireless card
[03:41] <at>  i plugged it in to my router and didnt have a problem-- in the hardware drivers it found Broadcom STA wireless driver , i installed it, but it doesnt seem to be finding any wireless networks
[03:42] <ball> hello Ultraputz
[03:42] <Ultraputz> greetings ball
[03:42] <at> oops i mean kubuntu
[03:44] <Ultraputz> TheSheep?
[03:54] <ball> Lobster?
[03:56] <Ultraputz> i've got an issue that I'm beginning to think only TheSheep is capable of helping wiht. i was hoping he'd be awake. :-)
[03:57] <ball> Ah.
[03:57] <ball> What's it about?
[04:02] <Ultraputz> let's see...
[04:02] <cody-somerville> Ultraputz, whats your problem?
[04:02] <Ultraputz> backgroudn: no changes to teh system...
[04:03] <Ultraputz> i'm working in terminal, rhythmbox is open, and i'm playing with python, which is also doing nothing interesting.
[04:03] <Ultraputz> the machine starts to bog
[04:03] <Ultraputz> has to be shut down
[04:03] <Ultraputz> comes back up...
[04:03] <Ultraputz> makes it to gdm -- i log in, and it bogs hard, and pushes back out
[04:03] <Ultraputz> now it won't get past the splash screen
[04:03] <ball> Perhaps one of them has a leak
[04:03] <Ultraputz> so...
[04:03] <Ultraputz> i logged in via ssh when gdm was back up.
[04:03] <cody-somerville> Ultraputz, try running top to see whats sucking up the resources
[04:03] <ball> does it improve if you reboot?
[04:04] <Ultraputz> no problem -- everything is fine, it works great.
[04:04] <Ultraputz> so i start an XFCE session
[04:04] <Ultraputz> and that's when everything goes apesh**
[04:04] <Ultraputz> what happens (top was helpful:)
[04:04] <Ultraputz> there are a dozen copies of stuff like beagled, apt-cache, update-notifier
[04:04] <Ultraputz> a lot more
[04:04] <Ultraputz> and in the end, xfce4-session was segfaulting
[04:04]  * Ultraputz tested memory, ran fsck -- everything is cool
[04:05] <Ultraputz> so... login to guest account frmo gdm
[04:05] <Ultraputz> almost identical to my own setup
[04:05]  * Ultraputz works fine.
[04:05] <Ultraputz> everything is fine.
[04:05] <Ultraputz> nuked my session files
[04:05] <Ultraputz> removed beagle, etc.
[04:05] <Ultraputz> still hangs on the splash screen
[04:05] <Ultraputz> that's where i'm at.
[04:06] <Ultraputz> what i'm wondering is:
[04:06] <Ultraputz> there are autostarted apps...
[04:06] <Ultraputz> then there are apps started by the session tool and as a consequence of other tools
[04:06] <Ultraputz> ... what exactly launches them? is there more than one tool that auto launches apps...
[04:07] <Ultraputz> and might it be caught in a loop causing it to keep cycling through the startup apps, which would explain the dozens of copies of each?
[04:07] <Ultraputz> ladies? gentlemen? any ideas? :-)
[04:08] <Ultraputz> is this maybe as stupid as a permissions issue or some mangled pref somewhere?
[04:09] <ball> Ultraputz: I'd purge Xfce then
[04:09] <ball> ...perhaps try reinstalling it.
[04:09] <Ultraputz> define 'purge xfce'
[04:09] <Ultraputz> it's not xfce...
[04:09] <Ultraputz> as i said, it worked in a guest session just fine
[04:09] <ball> Oh hang on, you're on Xubuntu
[04:09] <Ultraputz> it's actually ubuntu with a change of religion
[04:09] <Ultraputz> because metacity sucks <insert choice expletive/term of abuse>
[04:09] <ball> Ah, I'd wipe it and start from scratch.
[04:10] <Ultraputz> it wouldn't be much of a trick to nuke the dir and set it up again
[04:10] <Ultraputz> or copy guest's prefs over.
[04:10] <Ultraputz> and god knows there's stuff to do
[04:10] <Ultraputz> but it seems like htere's somethign important to be learned from figuring out what's wrong.
[04:11] <Ultraputz> even if i see someone straight up hit by a train, i still demand an autopsy, you know?
[04:11] <ball> I'd demand a bucket
[04:12] <Ultraputz> i'm just saying...
[04:12] <Ultraputz> if nothing interesting is happening, as in, not putting the thing in an abnormal situation...
[04:12] <Ultraputz> and all of a sudden, it just goes apes*** you kind of want to know why, so it doesn't happen again.
[04:12] <ball> it's in an abnormal situation because you changed its religion
[04:12] <ball> it's bound to be confused
[04:13] <Ultraputz> switching from metacity to xubuntu should not exactly be traumatic
[04:13] <Ultraputz> er
[04:13] <Ultraputz> xfce
[04:13] <Ultraputz> and it's been working beautifully for the last 3 months, regularly put through it's paces.
[04:14] <Ultraputz> and a nearly identical setup on the laptop has been mostly happy for the last 9 months...
[04:14] <Ultraputz> so i'm really curious, "why did you pooh your pants, ubuntu?"
[04:15] <Ultraputz> short of bludgeoning it to get it over with, what would you do if you were gonna track it down?
[04:15] <ball> I'd bludgeon it, but then I'm short of time these days.
[04:15] <Ultraputz> i cut my teeth on sys 3 and nextstep -- x windows was something i've managed to dodge for years :-)
[04:15] <ball> Plenty of other stuff to worry about.
[04:15] <ball> X window ;-)
[04:15] <Ultraputz> yet, right now, you're here... so, if it weren't your fingertips that would be smoking, what would you try? :-)
[04:16] <ball> I never got to try NeXT
[04:16] <ball> Ultraputz: I'd take off and nuke it from orbit... only way to be sure.
[04:16] <Ultraputz> i was 12 when they sat one of the first pre-release machines down in the student building at the university in my little town
[04:16] <Ultraputz> and it had a guest account
[04:17] <Ultraputz> so i parked my narrow butt in that seat every day for 2 weeks, for only half an hour, every afternoon.
[04:17] <Ultraputz> it blew my mind.
[04:17] <ball> Sounds like how I got into the Sun boxen
[04:17] <Ultraputz> a year later, i'd talked myself into kind of peace and access treaty with some of the kinder staff, and that's where i got the bug.
[04:18] <ball> Which town btw?
[04:18] <Ultraputz> when macos x was announced, it was like a dream come true
[04:18] <Ultraputz> until i sat down to use it.
[04:18] <Ultraputz> bloomington, indiana. indiana university
[04:18] <Ultraputz> with the big linux supercomputer :-)
[04:18] <Ultraputz> unfortunately running redhack
[04:19] <ball> Ultraputz: oh!  I know that one.
[04:19] <ball> Big Red
[04:19] <Ultraputz> os x is like nextstep, impaled on a stick and twitching, while this weird disney-esque concept interface rides on top of it.
[04:19] <ball> ...and there are a couple of others
[04:19] <Ultraputz> ball: yeah. there's a lot of 'supercomputing' projects on campus. and some really interesting toys like "the cave" immersive vr room.
[04:19] <ball> Ultraputz: I'm typing this via MacOS and yes, it's a bit fucked up.
[04:20] <Ultraputz> i'm using my mac right now
[04:20] <ball> I managed to get an X server on it though.
[04:20] <Ultraputz> how else can you make openoffice on the mac tolerable? :-)
[04:20] <Ultraputz> those cocoa framework pseudoports are the work of angry cavemen.
[04:20] <ball> Ultraputz: are you still over there?
[04:20] <Ultraputz> like, camino on methamphetamines or something.
[04:20] <Ultraputz> yeah, i work there now
[04:21] <ball> I resemble an angry caveman
[04:21] <Ultraputz> i do before i have breakfast. i'm told i smell like dinosaurs, too.
[04:21] <ball> So you've had some exposure to IBM boxen then.
[04:21] <Ultraputz> that's all before the shower and human skin appliances are set in place.
[04:21] <Ultraputz> blades, eduquest, you name it.
[04:22] <Ultraputz> i was an amiga guy surrounded by ibms.
[04:22] <Ultraputz> now i'm a "not windows" guy surrounded by... vista.
[04:22] <ball> Ctrl+Amiga+Amiga
[04:22] <Ultraputz> it's funny how life doesn't change
[04:22] <Ultraputz> hell yeah, guru meditation.
[04:22] <ball> Multiview ftw
[04:22] <Ultraputz> that is the nerdiest thing i've ever said.
[04:23] <ball> I have an A600 around here somewhere
[04:23] <ball> ...brought it over in my carry-on luggage
[04:23] <Ultraputz> i had two machines. the first was truly art. when i retired the a1000 in 1993, it had an 020 tacked on, and, an a590 plugged in backwards with a wire tack to swap the pin that differed between 500/1000
[04:23] <ball> pre-911 obviously
[04:23] <Ultraputz> amiga gives terrorists the creative edge.
[04:24]  * ball snorts
[04:24] <ball> hello wormsxulla
[04:24] <Ultraputz> you realize this a post december 10th world, now? we have to act like it. quick, everyone dress like elvis.
[04:25]  * ball dresses like a Zorro II bridgeboard
[04:25]  * Ultraputz wants to see dada terrorism. an attempt to confuse the world into submission.
[04:25] <ball> Ultraputz: that may be the best way to go.
[04:25] <Ultraputz> i've got a zorro ethernet card in teh 4000.
[04:25] <Ultraputz> *miss amiga terribly.*
[04:26] <Ultraputz> computers have more or less sucked since then.
[04:26] <ball> hello Bumphead
[04:26] <Ultraputz> and there are still nuts keeping theirs functional.
[04:26] <Ultraputz> of course, this evening, i've elected to join those ranks.
[04:26] <Ultraputz> i cannot take the dell axim anymore. it is the most heinous, evil thing ever created aside from graffiti.
[04:26]  * ball grins and cheers
[04:26] <ball> What's an Axim?
[04:26] <Ultraputz> so i'm pulling the newton 2100 out of retirement.
[04:27] <Ultraputz> a satanic pocketpc.
[04:27] <MattBnr> oh we have oen of those at my work
[04:27] <ball> Hang on, I'll fetch my MP110
[04:27] <MattBnr> i love it myself
[04:27] <Ultraputz> with handwriting recognition that is like a never-ending jerry lewis skit.
[04:27] <ball> Mine was actually good at handwriting
[04:27] <Ultraputz> i tried writing "zorro" one day
[04:27] <Ultraputz> zone?
[04:27] <Bumphead> could apple make the iphone as good as the newton?
[04:27] <Ultraputz> delete
[04:27] <Ultraputz> zorra?
[04:27] <Ultraputz> delete
[04:27] <Ultraputz> NICE LADY!
[04:27] <Ultraputz> it was ridiculous
[04:27] <ball> ...but I think that's because my handwriting is like the author's
[04:28] <Ultraputz> on the newton, you just tap teh word, and see the other guesses.
[04:28] <Ultraputz> *shudder* iphone.
[04:28] <ball> Bumphead: they could, but it's not Jobs' baby
[04:28] <ball> (Newton)
[04:28] <Ultraputz> that's like the disney fully managed user experience.
[04:28] <Ultraputz> bits of the newton are still around -- the handwriting rec is "inkwell" or whatever it's called.
[04:28] <Ultraputz> and 2.0's HWR is still market parity.
[04:29] <Ultraputz> rephrase: would raise market parity.
[04:29] <Ultraputz> just, it's not the kind of thing apple would have any reason to do.
[04:29] <Ultraputz> nothing is going to make a write-top cool in the age of iphone.
[04:29] <Ultraputz> and no one wants a write-top iphone.
[04:29] <Bumphead> my cynical side says the jobs health saga is market drama
[04:29] <Ultraputz> at least, no one hip and sexy and dancing around as a sillouhette.
[04:30] <Bumphead> at least, since the simpsons episode when the mApple store opens in springfield
[04:30] <Ultraputz> jobs is a p t barnum. if he goes, apple will be in deep shit.
[04:30] <ball> hello ViTRoN
[04:30] <Ultraputz> the last time they lost him, they nearly became compaq.
[04:30] <Ultraputz> macTv? seriously?
[04:30] <Ultraputz> pippin? seriously?
[04:31] <ball> I'm tempted to fire up my Quadra 700 now
[04:31] <Ultraputz> and that 20th anniversary mac. beautiful. didn't work. superb sound.
[04:31] <Ultraputz> A/UX ?
[04:31] <ball> I have it set aside for NetBSD
[04:31] <ball> hello christian
[04:31] <Ultraputz> a real shame is, the mac is the ugly kid brother of lisa. if that had taken off, computing itself would look totally different now.
[04:32] <christian> em hi
[04:32] <Ultraputz> if you ever get a chance, find a video of the lisa UI, and look past the horrid production/narration
[04:32]  * ball nods
[04:32] <ball> I am aware of Lisa
[04:32] <Ultraputz> it was document-centric. you didn't work with "applications." directly.
[04:32] <Ultraputz> -.
[04:32] <christian> i have problems trying to get the desktop efects in Xubuntu
[04:33] <christian> can any body help with taht
[04:33] <ball> Ultraputz: straight out of Xerox then ;-)
[04:33] <Ultraputz> what kind of machien is it?
[04:33] <christian> laptop compaq presario f500
[04:33] <Ultraputz> ball - literally. swap smalltalk for pascal, and focus on _integrated_ productivity.
[04:33] <ball> I miss Pascal
[04:33] <Ultraputz> do you know how much memory / what speed the machine is? that woudl be most helpful is to know what kind of graphics capability it has...
[04:34] <ViTRoN> Ball: hello
[04:34] <Ultraputz> i miss smalltalk :-)
[04:34] <christian> em Ram 1Gb
[04:34] <christian> Amd thurion 2Ghz
[04:34] <Ultraputz> so what's happening or not happening?
[04:34] <Ultraputz> (sounds like more than enough machine :-) )
[04:34] <ball> Ultraputz: there's Squeak!
[04:34] <ball> Turion64 would be nice
[04:34] <Ultraputz> ball - there's frigging yourself with a cheese grater, too. :-)
[04:34] <ball> christian: proprietary video driver?
[04:35] <christian> nVidia Geforce Go 6100
[04:35] <Ultraputz> ball -- you've obviously seen morphic. go look at self. and then read about the kludges they had to do to get their visual widgets and morphic backported to smalltalk. For that kind of effort, they should have just built Self. http://www.research.sun.com/self/
[04:36] <ball> What's morphic?
[04:36] <Ultraputz> that should be fine.
[04:36] <christian> i already installed nVidia package version 177 (recommended)
[04:36] <Ultraputz> morphic is the UI squeak hijacked and lobotomized.
[04:36] <Ultraputz> have you opened the control panel for it? is there one maybe/
[04:36] <Ultraputz> under system or preferences?
[04:36] <ball> christian: are you running an open source nVidea driver, or theirs?
[04:37] <christian> no, they are private dirvers
[04:37] <christian> but Xubuntu recommends the version 177
[04:37] <ball> I would assume those are broken then.
[04:37] <christian> but in Ubuntu tthey worked perfectly
[04:39] <Ultraputz> have you turned on compositing in xfce?
[04:39] <Ultraputz> did that work?
[04:40] <ball> I wouldn't trust them.
[04:41] <Ultraputz> what the hell is Whisker ?
[04:41] <Ultraputz> oh
[04:41] <Ultraputz> nevermind :-)
[04:41] <christian> jum ¬.¬ i've been using Xubuntu for like three hours, ive installed impress and changed the language to spanish
[04:42] <ball> I've never messed with these effects because I so rarely sit in front of the machine running my X clients
[04:42] <christian> but the desktop efects with compiz i still cant make them work
[04:42]  * ball guesses that depends on hardware 3D acceleration
[04:43] <christian> yes but the first thing, i did was installing the nVidia Drivers
[04:43] <ball> Well, there you go then.
[04:44] <ball> Did you try it without the nVidia-provided driver?
[04:46] <christian> i dont know how
[04:46] <ball> ok
[04:47] <christian> i moved to xubnuntu because in ubuntu the system was always at 60% loaded, and it was a little slow
[04:48] <ball> christian: perhaps there are other issues with your hardware then.
[04:48] <ball> hang on
[04:53] <christian> then i got no help here?
[04:55] <Ultraputz> we're other users, christian -- we aren't paid experts. we help when we can...
[05:12] <radlipat> !video
[05:12] <radlipat> okso whats best video player for asx files?
[05:18] <radlipat> kk anyone need help?
[05:19] <radlipat> grrrrrrrrrrr
[05:19] <ball> !monkeys
[05:19] <ball> radlipat: I've never heard of asx
[05:19] <ball> Adobe Shockwave?
[05:20] <radlipat> no worys i got help in other chat
[05:20] <knome> ASX - Advanced Stream Redirector File (Microsoft Corporation)
[05:20] <radlipat> he told me to try using vlc
[05:21] <radlipat> whats the x for if there is no x in Advanced Stream Redirector
[05:21] <knome> !media
[05:22] <knome> !codecs
[05:22] <ball> hello zenrox
[05:22] <knome> radlipat: see ^
[05:22] <ball> !dsp
[05:22] <ball> !evil
[05:22] <radlipat> ball: are you having fun????????
[05:23] <knome> we all need a bit of a giggly-wiggly sometimes.
[05:23] <radlipat> lol
[05:23] <radlipat> giggly-wiggly i like
[05:24] <radlipat> !offtopic
[05:25] <radlipat> sorry forgot what to type to join it
[05:25] <knome> np. off for the days duties ->
[05:26] <radlipat> kk
[05:32] <Ultraputz> hrm .. what is jockey ?
[05:33] <ball> small man who rides a racehorse
[05:33] <Ultraputz> jockey-gtk ?
[05:33] <ball> xload is freaking out because I'm trying to play video
[05:33] <Ultraputz> also, there are races where 7' men ride ponies.
[05:33] <Ultraputz> it's a different sort of contest.
[05:34] <radlipat> lol
[05:47] <Ultraputz> Unable to create /home/<user>/.dbus/session-bus  ?
[05:48] <radlipat> ummmmmmmm
[05:49] <Ultraputz> top of my x error log
[05:49] <Ultraputz> that looks as though it might be a problem
[05:49] <Ultraputz> since pretty much everything talks through dbus, right?
[05:49] <radlipat> and again ummmmmmmmmm
[05:50] <radlipat> u tried asking in ubuntu?
[05:50] <Ultraputz> radli -- could you issue the following command on a terminal and paste me the result? (non-harmful:) "stat ~/.dbus"
[05:51] <Ultraputz> the line i'm interested in looks like: Access: (0700/drwx------)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (    0/    root)
[05:51] <radlipat> ummmmmmmm
[05:51] <radlipat> radlipat@radlipat-desktop:~$ stat ~/.dbus
[05:51] <radlipat> stat: cannot stat `/home/radlipat/.dbus': No such file or directory
[05:51] <radlipat> radlipat@radlipat-desktop:~$
[05:52] <radlipat> ???????????
[05:52] <Ultraputz> hrm.
[05:52] <radlipat> do in need to change derrectorie????
[05:52] <Ultraputz> no, you may not have it
[05:52] <Ultraputz> it may be an ubuntu thing.
[05:52] <Ultraputz> er metacity/gnome
[05:52] <radlipat> directory*
[05:52] <radlipat> idk
[05:52] <radlipat> srry man
[05:53] <radlipat> u know how to open ubuntu channel?
[05:53] <radlipat> nvm i c you
[05:53] <Ultraputz> yes :-)
[05:54] <knome> krhm
[05:54] <knome> ircing from a full bus
[05:56] <radlipat> night all
[05:56] <radlipat> morn*
[05:56] <radlipat> but imma hit the hay
[05:57] <radlipat> i gotta get up at 6:30
[05:57] <knome> i better stop before i get more angry looks
[05:57] <Ultraputz> later radlipat
[05:57] <radlipat> later
[05:57] <radlipat> good idea knome
[05:57] <knome> i didn't sleep at all last Night
[05:57] <knome> later
[05:57] <knome> ->
[05:57] <radlipat> well get some sleep
[05:57] <knome> nope
[05:58] <radlipat> but i got collage in da morn so i gotta
[05:58] <knome> going to studies
[05:58] <knome> yeo :P
[05:58] <radlipat> lol im in it classes
[05:58] <radlipat> I.T.
[05:58] <knome> now ->
[05:59] <radlipat> alight night
[06:03] <ball> I have a final exam on Friday
[06:03] <ball> tomorrow I suppose.
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[06:08] <Ultraputz> odd.
[06:13] <ball> What is?
[06:14] <xarchie> list
[06:15] <ball> cabbages, duct tape, wombles.
[06:41] <xarchie> hey can any suggest a ubuntu flavor for a pentium 3 500mz
[06:41] <xarchie> Im getting fluxbuntu now think that will be enough for it/
[06:41] <ball> Xubuntu
[06:42] <ball> I'm running it on a 550 MHz Pentium III
[06:42] <xarchie> tried that still slow if there is more than one window open
[06:42] <ball> xarchie: how much RAM?
[06:42] <xarchie> how memory/
[06:42] <xarchie> 128
[06:42] <ball> Try with about four times that
[06:42] <Ultraputz> ouch.
[06:42] <ball> Linux is large and needs more RAM
[06:43] <Ultraputz> unless you go sans gui, that will be painful
[06:43] <xarchie> I would use slack but it;s for my kids and they aren't the learning type ya know
[06:43] <Ultraputz> well, you aren't going to make that useful to them with less than 512m
[06:43] <ball> xarchie: buy them some DIMMs for Christmas
[06:43] <Ultraputz> 256 bare minimum
[06:43] <Ultraputz> and that would _suck_
[06:44] <ball> I'm running 512 Mbytes and consider that a sensible minimum for the GUI Ubuntus
[06:44] <Ultraputz> i'll probably be shot by the penguin police for saying it, but that's a windows 98 box.
[06:44] <Odd-rationale> i got a friend with 128 mb of ram and a pII. it is running ubuntu+lxde. just enough to run stuff like gcompris, wormux, frozenbubble, tuxpaint, etc. just fine
[06:44] <xarchie> I think ill try something else instead of *buntu based
[06:44] <Ultraputz> i think you'll find that that is a fairly anemic machine...
[06:44] <xarchie> yeha Odd that sounds good
[06:44] <Ultraputz> there may be some DSL distros or something
[06:44] <Ultraputz> maybe MINT?
[06:45] <ball> xarchie: NetBSD would work
[06:45] <Odd-rationale> if you want even lighter... try puppylinux
[06:45] <xarchie> mint would'nt be good way to bloated
[06:45] <Odd-rationale> you can boot puppy linux with like 64mb of ram or somthing...
[06:45] <xarchie> puppy I heard of that how is it with getting around
[06:45]  * ball used to run MiNT on an 8 MHz 68000
[06:45] <Odd-rationale> i only use puppy linux as a recovery disc... :P
[06:45] <Ultraputz> with GEM
[06:46] <xarchie> cool thanks Odd will have t otry that
[06:46] <ball> Ultraputz: ..and 1 Mbyte of RAM
[06:46] <Odd-rationale> it has a word processor, web browser, movie player and everything...
[06:46] <xarchie> I don't know bout any bsd's
[06:46] <ball> Seriously though... upgrade the RAM if you want that machine to be useable
[06:46] <xarchie> I want something that if it breaks I may be albe to fix it
[06:46] <Odd-rationale> or just run commnad line mode.
[06:47] <ball> Odd-rationale: VT-220 ftw
[06:47] <xarchie> ok will try some of your suggestions thanks
[06:47] <ball> RAM is cheap btw
[06:47] <Odd-rationale> yeah, we're the light weight experts here... :D
[06:48] <Odd-rationale> ball: that depends wither you are making money.. :P
[06:48] <ball> I just upgraded this machine to 512 this evening
[06:48] <ball> Odd-rationale: you're talking to someone who learned today that he's being laid off
[06:49] <Odd-rationale> O.O
[06:49] <ball> ...I can't afford a new machine, so my 550 MHz Pentium III is my flagship.
[06:49] <ball> ...RAM is still cheap
[06:49] <Odd-rationale> you should try lxde...
[06:50] <Odd-rationale> pcmanfm is lighter than thunar...
[06:50] <ball> I do most of my file management from $, so haven't used Thunar much
[06:50] <Odd-rationale> yeah, me too...
[06:51] <Odd-rationale> i bet firefox is unuseble?
[06:51] <ball> SeaMonkey works
[06:51] <ball> I don't use Firefox anyway
[06:51] <Odd-rationale> what about epiphany?
[06:51] <Odd-rationale> gtk based, instead of xul.
[06:51] <ball> Never heard of it
[06:51] <xarchie> ok Im gonna try puppy and Im getting vector as well so they may work
[06:51] <xarchie> Thanks guys
[06:52] <Odd-rationale> !info epiphany-browser
[06:52] <Odd-rationale> also, kazehakase may even be lighter than epiphany... but a little less intuitive interface
[06:52] <Odd-rationale> !info kazehakase
[06:52] <ball> Wierd that they're using "kB"... 1,000 bytes?!
[06:53] <ball> ...or is that just a bug?
[06:53] <Ultraputz> pluggable rendering engines...
[06:53] <Ultraputz> it's just a window.
[06:53] <Odd-rationale> ball: it is a dummy package...
[06:54] <Odd-rationale> !info epiphany-gecko
[06:54] <Odd-rationale> !info epiphany-webkit
[06:54] <ball> Odd-rationale: I meant as a unit of measurement
[06:54] <Odd-rationale> idk if the webkit is stable yet...
[06:54] <ball> Is that a bug in ubottu, or in what ubottu gets its data from?
[06:54]  * Ultraputz works pretty well ins afari
[06:54] <Odd-rationale> ball: i don't think so...
[06:55] <Odd-rationale> cause this shows the same:
[06:55] <Odd-rationale> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/epiphany-browser
[06:55] <ball> Odd-rationale: it's a bug in something
[06:55] <ball> k = 1,000   K = 1,024
[06:55] <ball> software's measured in kilobytes, so K, not "k"
[06:56] <Odd-rationale> idk... you can probably ask someone...
[06:56] <Odd-rationale> in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-ops
[06:58] <Odd-rationale> anyways, i'll talk to you guys later! see ya!
[06:58] <ball> bye
[07:29] <Ultraputz> AHA!
[07:29] <Ultraputz> foudn the bugger!
[07:33] <Ultraputz>  the short version is: /etc/xdg/autostart has a template of .config/autostart
[07:33] <Ultraputz> if the latter pisses xfce off, it goes to the former.
[07:33] <Ultraputz> ...
[07:34] <Ultraputz> that woudl have been fun to know 3 days ago. :-)
[08:36] <generalsnus> I have a problem with users unable to mount their USB drives on our thinclients. We use Xubuntu LTSP servers..and authenticate users against M$ server 2003. previously this had worked great.. but   somwhere along with some updates, it must have been broken. I remeber editing a config file to get this working in the first place.. but cant remember witch..  Also adding users to a linux group(fuse), wont work since the u
[08:51] <generalsnus> how can i add a group that is called " domain^users "  to a group in xubuntu that is called "FUSE"?
[09:36] <generalsnus> Can somone help me troubleshoot this error mesage? i get it when i try to mount a USB drive: A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal").
[10:09] <generalsnus> how can i get usb disk to mount automaticly on desktop in xubuntu?    or how can i make a application launcher on desktop..with the command: thunar /media/$USER/usbdisk-sda1
[12:25] <sinbox> if I want to gt rid of the splash screen on bootup do I need to remove just "splash" from the entry or "ro quiet splash"?
[12:46] <ablomen> sinbox, nosplash
[12:49] <sinbox> thanks ablomen
[12:49] <sinbox> now for the 2nd question of the day: just checking my boot log as it's been slow booting recently and I can see about 90 lines that say>> New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/name-of-device-here  << except I haven't added a device, and a lot of alsa related stuff apears in there as well as oss stuff and pci stuff.  Any ideas what's gone wonky there?
[13:50] <hhh2> where can i find .deb file package of epiphany browser for new latest version in xubuntu 8.04 ??
[13:50] <hhh2> is a big mess
[13:50] <hhh2> after firefox 3.0.5 update from synaptic epiphany and ff3.0.5 flash block doesn't work anymore
[13:51] <TheSheep> hhh2: the versions of software that get included in specific versions of (x)ubuntu don't change
[13:51] <hhh2> i have copied flashblock.jar and flashblock.manifest in the new folder /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.5/chrome/
[13:51] <TheSheep> hhh2: unless there is a security vulnerability
[13:51] <hhh2> and edited flashblock.manifest how must be done
[13:53] <hhh2> and there is this line inside user-stylesheet.css
[13:53] <hhh2> @import url(chrome://flashblock/content/flashblock.css);
[14:20] <naivo> i tried to install xubuntu 7.10 alternate powerpc, when i reboot after install, i see yaboot with 2 choices : Linux and old, and then i see a splash with ubuntu but the imac do nothing, do you know why ? what can i do plz ?
[14:42] <hhh2> Upgraded the following packages:
[14:42] <hhh2> firefox (3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1) to 3.0.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1
[14:42] <hhh2> firefox-3.0 (3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1) to 3.0.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1
[14:42] <hhh2> libgadu3 (1:1.7~rc2-2) to 1:1.7~rc2-2ubuntu0.8.04.1
[14:42] <hhh2> liblcms1 (1.16-7ubuntu1) to 1.16-7ubuntu1.1
[14:42] <hhh2> liblcms1-dev (1.16-7ubuntu1) to 1.16-7ubuntu1.1
[14:42] <hhh2> xulrunner-1.9 (1.9.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1) to 1.9.0.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1
[14:42] <hhh2> xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support (1.9.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1) to 1.9.0.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1
[15:47] <Lego> Hi guys
[15:47] <Lego> I need some help with Xubuntu
[15:48] <Lego> Is there someone willing to help me?
[15:48] <Lego> It's about my resolution
[15:49] <charlie-tca> !someone
[15:51] <Lego> I just installed Xubuntu on an old Acer with a Ati Trident videocard but I won't let me set the resolution to it's max (1024x768). Now I tried some googling but all the solutions are for 8.04 and I can't seem to figure it out. Could someone go trough the steps with me of adding a resolution?
[15:57] <vidd> Lego, you should be able to simply install the proper driver, restart x and be done
[16:00] <charlie-tca> Lego: what version of Xubuntu
[16:00] <Lego> Charlie-tca I'm currently running 8.10
[16:01] <Lego> There should be trident driver but I don't know how to use it
[16:02] <charlie-tca> try this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution
[16:03] <Dr_WaSaBi> ok thats better
[16:04] <Lego> I tried that but I said I could go max 800x600 and I don't know how to add a new resolution
[16:04] <Lego> I tried the command used there
[16:04] <Lego> But I didnt work
[16:08] <charlie-tca> Did you add the horizSync and VertRefresh values?
[17:31] <Shaba1> Hello
[17:31] <Shaba1> anyone here.
[17:31] <Shaba1> I have a question about opengl,mesa and via/s3 unichrome
[17:33] <TheSheep> !ask
[17:33] <TheSheep> you can also try #opengl
[17:47] <Shaba1> Well I am trying to find a 3d driver for that chip
[17:47] <Shaba1> I looked on the web site for the chip
[17:47] <Shaba1> and its say nothing about opengl
[17:47] <Shaba1> at all
[21:40] <heapy> hello
[21:40] <vidd> hello heapy
[21:40] <heapy> hey vidd, thanks for the help the other night lad
[21:41] <vidd> np
[21:41] <vidd> what up?
[21:41] <heapy> i have a new problem haha
[21:41] <heapy> other than that im doin okay, just shattered from work
[21:41] <vidd> so what is the issue?
[21:41] <heapy> lad, i can't use my laptop to play a dvd without the damn thing crashing on me.
[21:42] <vidd> heapy, you probably need libdvdcss
[21:43] <heapy> i have tried totem, and vlc with a bunch of codecs installed on them both. i have done a clean install both times, using the two players. i dloaded libdvdcss2 and a bunch of other things people talk about in the forums. it plays an encrypted dvd for like 7 minutes, then locks up playing some sound over and over, and over, and over!! ... have to hold pwr button to restart.. i cant play a full dvd, only the first chapter before it hangs
[21:44] <vidd> heapy, the codec you need is libdvdcss
[21:44] <heapy> just libdvdcss? not the 2 part?
[21:45] <vidd> are you using blu-ray dvd's?
[21:45] <heapy> no mate just normal dvd movies
[21:45]  * vidd missed that in your 2 page paragraph =]
[21:45] <heapy> but without some codec' , totem or vlc doesnt play them at all... totem often says location not found
[21:45] <vidd> are these truely "normal" dvd's or "bootlegg"?
[21:46] <heapy> honest m8, brand new dvd's from hmv
[21:46] <vidd> dunno
[21:47] <vidd> libdvdcss is the only codec you should need to play dvd's
[21:47] <heapy> im at a loss too, i have tried soo many different things. mainly a re-install from stratch xubuntu 8.04.1, then  the updates.. restart.. then the vid drivers, restart.... then some codec's for either totem or vlc depending which one im testing, pop the dvd in and crash
[21:48] <heapy> i think these dvd's are encrypted, for copy right
[21:48] <heapy> so it needs some codec from the non free range
[21:48] <vidd> that is libdvdcss
[21:48] <heapy> oh issit
[21:49] <heapy> how can i see if i have that installed vidd? synaptic doesnt show it when i search
[21:50] <heapy> it only shows libdvdread3, libdvdcss2
[21:56] <heapy> is this it lad? libdvdcss-dev_1.2.10-0.2medibuntu1_i386.deb
[21:56] <vidd> no...that is the dev
[21:56] <vidd> tbh...i dont know
[21:57] <vidd> and i have to go home
[21:57] <vidd> =]
[21:57] <knome> libdvdcss2 is what you need
[21:58] <heapy> i thought that too knome, & installing libdvdcss2 does let me play the dvd.. but after 5-10 mintues, the dvd film just "locks up" and repeats sound over and over m8.. i canny enjoy a movie cus it crashes!
[21:59] <heapy> no worries vidd lad, go home you crab
[22:04] <heapy> also, should i be using autoremove after installing and updating xubuntu?
[22:04] <knome> !purexfce | heapy
[22:05] <karmaleon> Hi. Can someone recommend me another Client for chatting, different from Pidgin? Something more lightweight, only to connect MSN (other protocols are unnecessary). Thank you.
[22:06] <Aizawa> This is only sort of related to xubuntu, but when I put files on my PSP they ARE copied to it, but doesn't show up on the actual PSP, I can only see the files from my PC.. If I try to remove files, it just doesn't work. Is this because of linux? I mean, it's likely, although I (I'm really not good at linux and stuff but it's my guess) can't understand why it would differ from putting files on it from windows..
[22:13] <heapy> thankyou knome again m8, thats a great site
[22:13] <knome> np.
[22:14] <heapy> see youse later , night night! merry christmas ho-ho-ho
[22:14] <knome> you too.
[22:16] <Aizawa> Okay so deleting files works, that was just me being dumb.
[22:16] <Aizawa> I still can't see the files (that I copy to it) on the PSP though
[22:37] <homunq> help I am stuck in the IRC window. Keyboard and mouse work only inside this window, or to get to text-mode.
[22:41] <homunq> this has happened enough times that I want to fix it.
[22:42] <homunq> now that I am conveniently stuck in IRC and not in eclipse or something.
[22:42] <homunq> could it be a stuck key? is there a key that makes alt-tab just go "boop" and stops you from clicking anywhere outside top window?
[23:11] <Tailsfan> Hi There, I posted this problem at the Server Channel and it's the same thing with Xubuntu,every time I try to install it, at the hard drive scanning phase, it just flickers and goesd in a endless loop
[23:11] <charlie-tca> How much ram do you have?
[23:11] <Tailsfan> 64 MB
[23:12] <Tailsfan> I thought Xubuntu can handle that
[23:12] <charlie-tca> I don´t think that is enough.
[23:12] <charlie-tca> Let me check...
[23:14] <Tailsfan> I am using the Alt. CD too
[23:14] <charlie-tca> Website says 64MB to install with the alternate install cd. The live cd will not work.
[23:14] <charlie-tca> That is intrepid, right?
[23:15] <Tailsfan> Yep
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Are the detecting in BIOS?
[23:15] <charlie-tca> drives
[23:16] <Tailsfan> Yes they are
[23:16] <Tailsfan> The drive shows up
[23:17] <Tailsfan> I even tried all_generic_ide and nothing
[23:17] <charlie-tca> You may want to check the cabling. Intrepid insists on the long end of the ide cable on the motherboard
[23:19] <charlie-tca> The other thing would be to try pci=nomsi
[23:22] <rober> hi there
[23:24] <charlie-tca> hi
[23:24] <rober> does anyone know how to get write access to usb sticks when I plug them ? They get mounted as user root, group root, with no write rights to others