[00:48] w00t JontheEchidna :) [00:55] why is it so hard to press the send button? [00:55] just do it! [00:55] *click* [00:56] yay! [00:56] * vorian responds [00:56] meh, awaits moderator approval [00:57] JontheEchidna: na, it went through [00:57] ahhhh, because you cc'd me :P [00:58] yea [00:58] bbl, phone [01:17] * Nightrose replied [01:17] go go go JontheEchidna [01:21] Oooh [01:21] * NCommander responds [01:29] Thanks guys [01:36] Hmm something is wrong [01:36] Dolphin does not do previews any more [01:57] dunno if I like kvirc yet :( [01:58] plasma dudes rock, they fixed a crash I reported only a few hours ago [02:00] JontheEchidna: They are crazy good and crazy fast [02:00] My friend did a svn up on trunk and came to me to complain that it was crashing when he did this thing [02:01] I was talking to aseigo at the time and mentioned it in 4 minutes the svn bot announced a revision change [02:01] So I told him it was fixed and he said no he JUST did an update I proclaimed again it was fixed so he updated and boom [02:02] he hates me [02:05] * claydoh does not like kvirc even with themes :( [02:05] hah [02:07] meh, whois is not default in kubuntu eh? [02:26] ha, here's a real doozy of a (corner case) crash === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [02:59] DaSkreech: I think Wine in Main is a really bad idea, but that [02:59] 's just me. [03:00] JontheEchidna: I'll have a reply for you shortly. [03:00] ScottK: Thanks [03:00] They're gonna try to put wine in main O.o [03:00] Wait 'til you read it. [03:00] ;-) [03:00] eheh [03:02] ScottK: I agree... i don't understand that move at all. [03:03] * ScottK notes that NCommander has fallen behind on testing. More amd64 alternate please. [03:03] Sure, wine by default would make some windows apps work out of the box. I love me some wine. But "human beings" are the type that try to execute windows executables in spam emails [03:04] Lack of Windows executables working by default is a feature, not a bug IMO. [03:05] hahaha, nice one ScottK! [03:05] boo [03:07] nixternal: so, how to I post a reply to anybody's email without either: (a) sending the reply only to you, or (b) making another top-level post? [03:07] hrmm, did I make a booboo? [03:07] I don't know [03:08] hrmm, it seems my email didn't go through [03:08] * JontheEchidna is not 1337 with mailing lists [03:08] ScottK, :-P! [03:08] shit, I don't have my mailing list stuff on this laptop [03:08] grrr [03:09] * nixternal fires up the other laptop [03:09] nixternal: dude, i feel bad for poor JontheEchidna [03:09] why is that? [03:10] 20 questions [03:10] :) [03:10] did my email already go through? [03:10] well, he'll do just fine with them [03:10] i got it [03:10] I wonder who approved it [03:10] did you reply to all? [03:11] ya [03:11] that's how i got it then [03:11] forgot to clean out my CC list [03:11] :o [03:11] EVIL! [03:11] actually, like i said in my response, JE should be applying for core-dev imo [03:15] there we go...now I am back to list admining crap again [03:15] :( [03:19] * nixternal makes sure to ban all "vorian" emails from this point on [03:19] wha'd i do? [03:19] don't worry about that one :) [03:20] other than break the chain by being the only subscriber [03:20] :P [03:26] wth are these stup popups on LP in Firefox: "G46 the word binary was found!" [03:27] hmm, linky? [03:27] or are they all over? [03:27] they happen with any link almost for me [03:27] i don't get any [03:28] interesting [03:28] intrepid or jaunty? [03:28] or does it matter? [03:28] prolly not [03:36] am i crazy, or does anyone else see the problem with this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/88249/ [03:39] Anyone has something specific to say on the alpha 2 notes? [03:43] vorian: The only problem with the suggestion he should be core-dev now is that will cause a month of navel gazing by MC is the past is any guide. [03:43] DaSkreech: What have you got so far? [03:43] haha [03:43] ScottK: Bunch of trash :) [03:43] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha2/Kubuntu [03:44] * ScottK looks [03:45] "the popular hunt a Icon game" lmao! [03:46] * JontheEchidna is having trouble thinking of the second thing that the MC needs to improve on [03:46] * ScottK hacks on it a bit. [03:46] JontheEchidna: Not approving idiots who don't deserve it? [03:47] ScottK: I'm not really all that familiar with a lot of the council's decisions [03:47] Right, well that one would have been a bit of a Catch 22 in any case. [03:48] maybe they need to make themselves more vocal? I haven't seen Kubuntu doods getting mentioned as motus in newsletters when they were given mastery over the universe [03:48] the ubuntu weekly newsletters [03:49] * DaSkreech stops hacking on it then [03:49] but maybe that's not the MC's fault [03:49] ScottK: don't talk about me that way! you should try and remember i'm in this channel :P [03:50] JontheEchidna: Maybe you don't know WTF they do is a problem? [03:50] yeah... [03:51] JontheEchidna: maybe you could suggest they don't lose track of their votes :) [04:00] ScottK: Missed anything obvious? ( I know I obviously did) [04:01] DaSkreech: Have a look now. I edited it a bit. [04:01] ScottK: Also remember this is the second alpha relaease but techinically the first releasenotes/changelog so it needs to be complete :) [04:01] DaSkreech: Agreed. I took the bit about NM 0.7 out. That was in Intrepid. [04:02] ScottK: It's all Ibex I'm editing the Ibex release notes :-P [04:02] * ScottK looks at JontheEchidna to pimp up the KDE 4.2 goodness some more. [04:02] * JontheEchidna brings out his cane [04:02] DaSkreech: Sure, no trouble. [04:03] ScottK: Let me do a proper cleanup on it before I show again. What are the known issues with this release. Kmail, Kontact and konversation don't exist on the CD Amarok doesn't exist at all Anythingelse ? [04:03] MSN broken? Bluetooth doesn't work? Installing firefox pulls in all of Gnome ? [04:03] DaSkreech: I added a section on known issues but I didn't make it a main section like I should have [04:03] MSN broken and bluetooth I forgot. [04:04] Firefox is supposedly fixed. [04:04] ScottK: I saw. it broke that's kinda why I asked. If I'm going to fix it might as well do it right [04:04] Sure thing. [04:04] Can someone with a MSN account try MSn on BEta 2 ? [04:04] JontheEchidna: Did the libmsn thing get sorted for Jaunty yet? [04:05] ScottK: they want a quick security review first [04:05] JontheEchidna: OK. [04:05] DaSkreech: Then still known to be broken. [04:05] JontheEchidna: That's a no ? [04:05] ok [04:05] Bluetooth? [04:05] !info amarok jaunty [04:05] amarok (source: amarok): versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.10-0ubuntu3 (jaunty), package size 2396 kB, installed size 7040 kB [04:06] Righto [04:06] bluetooth and msn for kopete aren't in jaunty [04:07] DaSkreech: Feel free to make my problem descriptions more elegant. [04:08] Or at least more upbeat :) [04:12] Anyone that can test amd64 alternate? [04:13] Looks like that's the major problem. [04:13] bah on upbeat. [04:14] If a little negativity is going to stop someone from running this, they shouldn't run it. [04:14] ScottK: Naw I'm just in an upbeat mood [04:15] despite Dolphin not having a space left display option or working previews [04:15] DaSkreech: space left display is configurable, thankfully [04:16] * JontheEchidna never zooms dolphin [04:16] JontheEchidna: How do I get it? [04:16] General section of the dolphin settings [04:16] select "Show space information" [04:17] just don't tick both boxes at the same time or you'll get nothing [04:17] I just went there... [04:17] JontheEchidna: Whoops too late checked both. it works. beta 2 rocks [04:18] what are you running beta2 on? [04:18] are there packages hidden somewhere? [04:18] * JontheEchidna points nixternal to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-beta-2 [04:18] nixternal: Hidden in the Jaunty repos [04:18] Yes we put them somewhere no one reads [04:18] The Kubuntu website and channel topic [04:18] I know it has been released...didn't know if we had any intrepid packages [04:19] ScottK: I can test that alternate amd64 iso if you need it [04:19] that's the "we have released packages" announcement [04:19] nixternal: We do. [04:19] better not break though, and it needs to support encryption [04:19] * nixternal grabs the ISO [04:19] nixternal: btw, replied to your message. I hope I didn't top post or anything [04:19] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [04:20] * JontheEchidna will be out for the night soon [04:21] nixternal!!! [04:21] Think up a rad pic for powerdevil then mail it to me [04:30] Well that's a new one. [04:30] I said yes when offered a reboot inside a chroot and it rebooted the entire machine. [04:30] * ScottK-desktop didn't think it would do that. [04:31] ScottK-desktop: Wouldn't it send the command to the processor it's running on? [04:32] I didn't think it would get out of the chroot. [04:32] Obviously I was mistaken. [04:33] Right, well back again. [04:34] The good news is I did manage to upgrade the chroot from Intrepid to Jaunty OK [04:45] JontheEchidna: that is exactly how you reply to an email...good job and I love the answers!!! [04:49] Anyone remember anything significanfrom Alpha 1 [05:08] * nixternal starts amd64 testing [05:08] and it didn't start out pretty either [05:08] I/O error messages like crazy [05:08] * nixternal tries to find out what they were/are [05:09] I am guessing every ISO has this error: [05:09] "Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical lock 176351" [05:09] or something similar since they are Kernel ERR messages and not Kernal WARNING messages [05:15] Well we've got some good test results without anyone else mentioning it. [05:16] they may not be checking tty4 for messages during the install either [05:16] I saw these on the alternate before it came up asking me to detect my keyboard, or whatever the first box is...can't remembe rnow [05:16] it flashed on the screen very quickly [05:23] 5 minutes have passed on the "Select and install software" screen and it is still at 6% and telling me to "Please wait..." [05:23] the system is obviously doing something as I can hear the cdrom spin up and down as well as see hard drive activity via LED [05:24] Lovely. [05:25] Well the two people who did most of the previous testing are currently absent. [05:25] after that spot, 5 minute little hang up, it is installing [05:25] Ah. Progress. [05:25] I think this is the farthest I have been with a Kubuntu Jaunty alternate install to date :) [05:26] so that is even more progress [05:28] Excellent. [05:29] Installation Completetion: errrr [05:29] [!!] Configuring grub [05:29] * nixternal wonders if this is due to a logical /boot partition [05:29] * ScottK is thinking the launchpad-integration depends should be switched to kde5libs from kdelibs4c2a since it's only relevant to Konqueror [05:30] heh, "running remove_broken_cdrom" [05:30] I am seeing some different things here, not issues it seems, but things I have never witnessed before [05:30] Does it take it back to Best Buy too? [05:31] install completed [05:31] Excellent. [05:31] lets see if I hosed grub yet again [05:32] grub isn't hosed, just didn't install the Kubuntu grub in the correct location...easy fix though (I hope) from Ubuntu [05:34] nixternal: Which partitioning option did you take? [05:34] manual w/ encryption [05:34] There are known issues with manual on Ubiquty, but not D-I. [05:35] nixternal: Please file a bug and mark it in the ISO tracker. [05:35] the bug might be my fault though, which more than likely, in this case, I am the bug [05:38] nixternal: At this point I'd rather get it written down and move on. AFAIK you are the only one to try that test case. [05:47] nixternal: I'm off to bed. Just keep checking things off in the ISO tracker ... [05:48] will do...g'nite [05:48] Thanks. Good night. [06:02] ScottK: does koffice conflict with Beta 2 on jaunty? [06:03] DaSkreech: I went to bed 15 minutes ago. [06:03] DaSkreech: No idea. [06:03] Ok [06:03] I'll leave it as resolved then === glade88|ZzZ is now known as glade88 [08:54] * jussi01 waves === nicola is now known as briseight [09:45] anyone with a laptop who can add a second battery? guidance doesn't seem to recognize that [11:41] davmor2: Did you file/find a bug about the manual partition problem you had yesterday? [11:43] ScottK: apparently it is the continuation of a bug that already exists so I didn't need too. evand is well aware of it and trying to find a fix. [11:43] OK. If you have the bug number it might be useful to shove it on the tracker. [11:44] Arby or nixternal: Any chance of you guys knocking out the last two alternate tests for i386 or amd64? [11:46] ScottK: sorry not really, I'm at work now and got plans for this evening. Is that all that's blocking alpha2? [11:46] Arby: I don't think Kubuntu is blocking, but I was hoping to get to 100% to make sure that's not the case. [11:47] Arby: Thanks for all you've done. I'll see if I can find someone else.... [11:49] ScottK: It's not the case I think server was yesterday but slangasek was happy with the general coverage [11:50] Server is looking very good now. Xubuntu is still lacking, but I don't think that would block. [11:50] So I'm not sure why we're waiting. [11:50] Maybe for evand to fix Ubiquity. [11:51] ScottK: Xubuntu desktop is screwed [11:52] Ah. So probably not waiting on that. [11:52] Do you know what happened? [11:53] ScottK: It could just be that the server tests weren't done before slangasek went to bed in which case the delay would be him. [11:53] Yeah. Could be. [12:50] ugh, I can't find a tarball for kdenlive anywhere... [12:57] wow, don't look at kdenlive's website, but find the tarball at kde-apps.org :P [13:00] JontheEchidna: why are you fiddling with kdenlive? :] [13:01] :] [13:02] Scott asked me nicely to do so [13:03] someone is already working on packaging the new version afaik [13:04] according to Scott they disappeared [13:04] s/they/he [13:04] hmm, I think I know one of the guys, he's on the french u-devel channel [13:04] * smarter pings hime [13:06] * JontheEchidna notices that as the KDE prerelease releases get better, less comments are made on the Dot [13:16] JontheEchidna: It's packaged in Debian Multimedia. [13:17] There's an open bug on LP about the upgrade too. [13:17] JontheEchidna: http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/k/kdenlive/kdenlive.php [13:18] JontheEchidna: The 'fun' part here is that we have mlt and mlt++ from Debian Main, not Debian Multimedia, so there are issues ... [13:39] So then we would need to merge our mlt(++) packages from debian multimedia? [13:41] JontheEchidna: Dunno. [13:41] hmm [13:41] current version in jaunty is higher than in multimedia, so I guess not [13:41] fun :D [13:41] I got as far as getting mlt++ present in sufficient version, discovered it didn't work out of the box and this other guy said he was working on it. [13:42] So I quit at that point. [13:42] * JontheEchidna nods [13:42] But I'd suggest that diffing the Debian Main and Debian Multimedia mlt and mlt++ might be useful for at least getting it to build. [14:23] * JontheEchidna wonders when it is supposed to fail [14:24] ScottK: builds just fine here [14:24] JontheEchidna: Kewl. Then it's just a simple merge. [14:25] When I tried it it couldn't find mlt during the build. [14:26] I just need to clean up the merge documentation in the changelog a bit, then I can send you the package + diffs [14:31] hi [14:31] ScottK, JontheEchidna : I have almost packaged the new version of kdenlive [14:32] (as told in the ML) [14:32] I am just facing a strange issue in the package -data file list [14:32] didrocks: Sorry. I thought you'd quit. [14:32] and Lutin who have already packaged it should have a look at it [14:32] Lutin isn't very active anymore. [14:32] ScottK: no no, I am actually waiting for Lutin :) [14:33] Likely to be a long wait. [14:33] ScottK: if you whish, I can show you what does not work [14:33] I think I have the .dsc on my server [14:33] JontheEchidna: Would you be willing to review didrocks' merge? [14:33] Sure [14:34] JontheEchidna: I have two packages one with binaries, another one with -data [14:34] I embedeed the /usr/share/doc on the binary package and do not understand why [14:34] (with dh_installs) [14:34] one minute, I will give you a link to the .dsc file [14:36] JontheEchidna: http://www.didrocks.fr/temp/kdenlive_0.7-0.0ubuntu1.dsc [14:36] I'll also need the diff.gz :) [14:37] you can dget it, it should work :) [14:37] oh, same location? [14:37] yeah [14:37] cool [14:38] JontheEchidna: When you're happy, let me know and I'll review your review. [14:43] Ok, I have a few comments [14:43] JontheEchidna: yes ? [14:43] All of our KDE4 packages generally use the kde4.mk included in the Ubuntu cdbs package so that they can be translated [14:44] this package uses debhelper (to stick, as previous version, with marillat repos) [14:44] So while it does make the diff between us and debian larger, we always just make debian/rules include include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk instead of using a built-in cdbs solution or debhelper [14:45] consequently, this impact all commands in debian/rules, right? [14:46] (if we get ridden of debhelper) [14:46] yes, using kde4.mk means that just about everything in there is unneeded [14:46] can I take another KDE package as a good example? [14:47] * JontheEchidna looks for a good example [14:47] JontheEchidna: Changing the build system from Debian though is on the No-No list. [14:48] someone should probably ask marillat to use kde4.mk [14:48] It's a Universe pacakge, so the odds of added translations is low anyway. [14:48] since even Debian use it: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/branches/kde4/packages/kdelibs/debian/rules?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 [14:48] Agreed. [14:48] that was what I was thinking and we normally stick with debian packaging system and patch... [14:48] our kde4.mk is customized, debian doesn't really want it [14:48] JontheEchidna: Yes, but they have their own. [14:48] ok, then stick with debhelper [14:49] ok [14:51] * JontheEchidna wonders why debian is dropping the -data package [14:52] JontheEchidna: the drop seems to be from a long time ago, so, I merged this changed to keep it [14:52] * ScottK suggests a careful look at the licensing of the data. [14:53] ScottK: there were some licence changes/enhancement from marillat's licence files. I kept them [14:53] (in the merge) [14:54] didrocks: My thought is that the data files may be non-free would be a reason. [14:54] wouldn't they have pruned the non-free data files from the tarball and dsfg'd it? [14:55] ScottK: let me have a look at their website [14:55] Yes, in theory, but this is from Debian Multimedia and not Debian Main, so you have to be extra careful. [14:55] The only reason Debian Multimedia exists is for stuff to legally scary for Main. [14:56] too bad the changelog is pretty sparse on debian's part [14:56] hum, the official website does not seem to be very talkative [14:59] * JontheEchidna testbuilds [14:59] oki [15:02] (my machine is a bit slow, 40% done) [15:03] JontheEchidna: the build is long, even with a fast one :) [15:03] not compared to a lot of KDE :P [15:04] I imagine ^^ [15:06] Amarok is a bit of a beast to compile as well [15:06] they have qtscript bindings for most of Qt included in the source [15:06] JontheEchidna: only because of qtscript, rest of Amarok is quite lean [15:07] yeah [15:07] * didrocks uses Qt only for kile ;) [15:07] hehe [15:07] ooopsss, I am on #kubuntu-devel :p [15:07] didrocks: we all are GNOME-zealots to bring KDE down for good [15:07] * Tm_T hides [15:07] Tm_T: :) [15:14] just about done [15:15] waow, longer than in my laptop :) [15:15] done [15:18] there shouldn't be any issues with the -data, they're pngs and text files [15:18] that happen to be without copyrighs [15:18] hmm [15:19] I had a deeper look at the kdenlive website, nothing found useful :/ [15:19] I couldn't even find a tarball on the kdenlive website [15:19] I had to go to kde-apps, then follow the link to the main page of sourceforce [15:19] *forge [15:19] search for kdenlive, and get the tarball from there [15:19] yes, their website is really empty :/ [15:20] and going to SF to find the tarball is quite strange [15:20] maybe data text files don't need copyrights [15:21] JontheEchidna: You know that's not true ... [15:21] JontheEchidna: grep -ir copyright * on the relevant dir and see what you get. [15:21] Sometimes images have embedded text. [15:22] ScottK-laptop: so, I will have in mind to double-check marillat's packages [15:22] grep -iR "copyright" kdenlive-0.7/data/ shows nada [15:22] Hmmmm. [15:24] There doesn't actually seem to be much in that dir, now that I've looked. [15:24] I have the tarball from Debian Multimedia. [15:24] us too [15:25] ScottK-laptop: I used this one. [15:25] OK. It doesn't seem to me that there is enough there to justify a separate data package. [15:26] It's ~60K [15:27] yeah, that's most likely why they dropped the -data package [15:27] so, I can merge them back this evening (I do not have access to my laptop now) [15:30] good merge all-in-all [15:30] JontheEchidna: I am going to home right now. I think I can give you something in a couple of hours. Is it ok? [15:31] if you have any other suggestion, do not hesitate, I will backlog ;) [15:31] Yeah, that's perfectly ok [15:31] * JontheEchidna does ahve to go for a bit too === cmvo_ is now known as cmvo [16:17] apachelogger: Is there some KDE provided sound we could use for quassel notifications? The phonon support works if you build the Git snapshot with phonon-dev. [16:17] This is on Intrepid. [16:31] ScottK: could we not just use the kopete received sound? /usr/share/sounds/Kopete_Received.ogg [16:32] or is that too alike? [16:32] jussi01: We could, but then quassel would have to depend on Kopete. [16:33] ScottK-laptop: hrm, yeah [16:34] jussi01: Do that again. I'm trying KDE-Sys-App-Message.ogg [16:34] also it would be nice to distinguish the two sounds [16:34] ScottK-laptop: how about /usr/share/sounds/KDE-Im-Irc-Event.ogg ? [16:34] Hmm. No sound the time. [16:35] ScottK-laptop: hrm, wondeer why [16:36] maybe because of the : at the end of his nick? how about ScottK-desktop [16:36] or ScottK-laptop [16:36] Nope. [16:36] ok quassel has problems with that from time to time [16:37] OK [16:37] Please try again. [16:37] * jussi01 waves to Sput [16:37] heya ScottK-laptop [16:37] * Sput waves back [16:38] Nope. [16:38] * ScottK-laptop quits and tries again. [16:39] Hit me again. [16:39] ScottK-laptop: [16:40] Just got an idea. Once more please. [16:40] ScottK-laptop: like any other irc client,to get identified before logging into chans put your nick password as server password [16:41] Worked that time. [16:42] The difference was quassel wasn't the window on top. [16:42] Which makes sense. [16:42] ScottK-laptop: ahh, yes, makes sense [16:42] I also got a screenshot of the double notification problem I was seeing (dbus and qt both). [16:43] ScottK-laptop: thats just a config option, you can turn them off in the settings [16:43] jussi01: The dbus one is, but the QT one isn't. [16:44] So if you want dbus, you get both .... [16:44] Sput: ^^ [16:44] ScottK-laptop: oh, hrm. [16:44] you can disable the systray notification [16:44] if you can't, something's broken :) [16:44] "[ ] Show Bubble" [16:45] * ScottK-laptop looks [16:46] Yep. [16:46] Sput: It's kind of hard to relate "Bubble" and "DBUS Notifications". Shouldn't they be more closely related in the prefs. [16:47] And maybe even one should toggle off if the other is enabled? [16:47] hmm, terminology could be better probably [16:48] as for the other, I'm not sure - maybe someone wants to have both (and use dbus for playing a sound or whatever) [16:48] I would love a better name for Desktop Notification [16:48] but Galago doesn't help people either I guess [16:49] Hrrm. [16:49] seele: ^^^ Thoughts? [16:50] I think in the KDE version we will only have knotify anyway, and disable all other backends [16:51] OK. Is there a rough timeline on a KDE version? [16:52] depends on how fast I manage to get myself into that, I don't have prior experience. I did, however, prepare the various util classes to be ready to be replaced by KDE's classes later on (icons, shortcuts and such) [16:52] I plan to play around during xmas break and see how far I can get [16:52] OK. [16:53] I guess it depends on what needs doing also, no? [16:53] yes [16:53] our priorities have changed a bit since yesterdays, I guess :) [16:53] Sput: Is it possible to provide a standard additonal buffer view in addition to All via config file? [16:54] apachelogger: Would you please make sure seele gets the git snapshot package to test. [16:54] ScottK-desktop: I thikn not yet, but we definitely plan to provide a much more reasonable default layout out of the box in the future [16:55] in particular, don't show All by default at all, and use only custom views [16:55] Sput: Well that and having a default channel included (which I guess is going to get more doable shortly) are I think both must haves for us. [16:55] I guess so [16:55] Not that I speak officially for the project, of course. [16:55] sure [16:57] I think for stuff like this, we can accommodate your needs quite well... worst case providing and maintaining a kubuntu patch [16:57] I mean, a patch for "kubuntu mode" [16:57]