[00:48] <vorian> w00t JontheEchidna :)
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> why is it so hard to press the send button?
[00:55] <vorian> just do it!
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> *click*
[00:56] <vorian> yay!
[00:56]  * vorian responds
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> meh, awaits moderator approval
[00:57] <vorian> JontheEchidna: na, it went through
[00:57] <vorian> ahhhh, because you cc'd me :P
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> yea
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> bbl, phone
[01:17]  * Nightrose replied
[01:17] <Nightrose> go go go JontheEchidna
[01:21] <NCommander> Oooh
[01:21]  * NCommander responds
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> Thanks guys
[01:36] <DaSkreech> Hmm something is wrong
[01:36] <DaSkreech>  Dolphin does not do previews any more
[01:57] <claydoh> dunno if I like kvirc yet :(
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> plasma dudes rock, they fixed a crash I reported only a few hours ago
[02:00] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: They are crazy good and crazy fast
[02:00] <DaSkreech> My friend did a svn up on trunk and came to me to complain that it was crashing when he did this thing
[02:01] <DaSkreech> I was talking to aseigo at the time and mentioned it in 4 minutes the svn bot announced a revision change
[02:01] <DaSkreech> So I told him it was fixed and he said no he JUST did an update I proclaimed again it was fixed so he updated and boom
[02:02] <DaSkreech> he hates me
[02:05]  * claydoh does not like kvirc even with themes :(
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> hah
[02:07] <vorian> meh, whois is not default in kubuntu eh?
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> ha, here's a real doozy of a (corner case) crash
[02:59] <ScottK> DaSkreech: I think Wine in Main is a really bad idea, but that
[02:59] <ScottK> 's just me.
[03:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'll have a reply for you shortly.
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Thanks
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> They're gonna try to put wine in main O.o
[03:00] <ScottK> Wait 'til you read it.
[03:00] <ScottK> ;-)
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> eheh
[03:02] <vorian> ScottK: I agree... i don't understand that move at all.
[03:03]  * ScottK notes that NCommander has fallen behind on testing.  More amd64 alternate please.
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> Sure, wine by default would make some windows apps work out of the box. I love me some wine. But "human beings" are the type that try to execute windows executables in spam emails
[03:04] <ScottK> Lack of Windows executables working by default is a feature, not a bug IMO.
[03:05] <nixternal> hahaha, nice one ScottK!
[03:05] <nixternal> boo
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: so, how to I post a reply to anybody's email without either: (a) sending the reply only to you, or (b) making another top-level post?
[03:07] <nixternal> hrmm, did I make a booboo?
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> I don't know
[03:08] <nixternal> hrmm, it seems my email didn't go through
[03:08]  * JontheEchidna is not 1337 with mailing lists
[03:08] <NCommander> ScottK, :-P!
[03:08] <nixternal> shit, I don't have my mailing list stuff on this laptop
[03:08] <nixternal> grrr
[03:09]  * nixternal fires up the other laptop
[03:09] <vorian> nixternal: dude, i feel bad for poor JontheEchidna
[03:09] <nixternal> why is that?
[03:10] <vorian> 20 questions
[03:10] <vorian> :)
[03:10] <nixternal> did my email already go through?
[03:10] <vorian> well, he'll do just fine with them
[03:10] <vorian> i got it
[03:10] <nixternal> I wonder who approved it
[03:10] <vorian> did you reply to all?
[03:11] <nixternal> ya
[03:11] <vorian> that's how i got it then
[03:11] <nixternal> forgot to clean out my CC list
[03:11] <vorian> :o
[03:11] <vorian> EVIL!
[03:11] <vorian> actually, like i said in my response, JE should be applying for core-dev imo
[03:15] <nixternal> there we go...now I am back to list admining crap again
[03:15] <vorian> :(
[03:19]  * nixternal makes sure to ban all "vorian" emails from this point on
[03:19] <vorian> wha'd i do?
[03:19] <nixternal> don't worry about that one :)
[03:20] <vorian> other than break the chain by being the only subscriber
[03:20] <vorian> :P
[03:26] <nixternal> wth are these stup popups on LP in Firefox:  "G46 the word binary was found!"
[03:27] <vorian> hmm, linky?
[03:27] <vorian> or are they all over?
[03:27] <nixternal> they happen with any link almost for me
[03:27] <vorian> i don't get any
[03:28] <nixternal> interesting
[03:28] <vorian> intrepid or jaunty?
[03:28] <vorian> or does it matter?
[03:28] <vorian> prolly not
[03:36] <vorian> am i crazy, or does anyone else see the problem with this?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/88249/
[03:39] <DaSkreech> Anyone has something specific to say on the alpha 2 notes?
[03:43] <ScottK> vorian: The only problem with the suggestion he should be core-dev now is that will cause a month of navel gazing by MC is the past is any guide.
[03:43] <ScottK> DaSkreech: What have you got so far?
[03:43] <vorian> haha
[03:43] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Bunch of trash :)
[03:43] <DaSkreech> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha2/Kubuntu
[03:44]  * ScottK looks
[03:45] <claydoh> "the popular hunt a Icon game" lmao!
[03:46]  * JontheEchidna is having trouble thinking of the second thing that the MC needs to improve on
[03:46]  * ScottK hacks on it a bit.
[03:46] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Not approving idiots who don't deserve it?
[03:47] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I'm not really all that familiar with a lot of the council's decisions
[03:47] <ScottK> Right, well that one would have been a bit of a Catch 22 in any case.
[03:48] <JontheEchidna> maybe they need to make themselves more vocal? I haven't seen Kubuntu doods getting mentioned as motus in newsletters when they were given mastery over the universe
[03:48] <JontheEchidna> the ubuntu weekly newsletters
[03:49]  * DaSkreech stops hacking on it then
[03:49] <JontheEchidna> but maybe that's not the MC's fault
[03:49] <vorian> ScottK: don't talk about me that way! you should try and remember i'm in this channel :P
[03:50] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Maybe you don't know WTF they do is a problem?
[03:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[03:51] <vorian> JontheEchidna: maybe you could suggest they don't lose track of their votes :)
[04:00] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Missed anything obvious? ( I know I obviously did)
[04:01] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Have a look now.  I edited it a bit.
[04:01] <DaSkreech> ScottK:  Also remember this is the second alpha relaease but techinically the first releasenotes/changelog so it needs to be complete :)
[04:01] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Agreed.  I took the bit about NM 0.7 out.  That was in Intrepid.
[04:02] <DaSkreech> ScottK: It's all Ibex I'm editing the Ibex release notes :-P
[04:02]  * ScottK looks at JontheEchidna to pimp up the KDE 4.2 goodness some more.
[04:02]  * JontheEchidna brings out his cane
[04:02] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Sure, no trouble.
[04:03] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Let me do a proper cleanup on it before I show again. What are the known issues with this release. Kmail, Kontact and konversation don't exist on the CD Amarok doesn't exist at all Anythingelse ?
[04:03] <DaSkreech> MSN broken? Bluetooth doesn't work? Installing firefox pulls in all of Gnome ?
[04:03] <ScottK> DaSkreech: I added a section on known issues but I didn't make it a main section like I should have
[04:03] <ScottK> MSN broken and bluetooth I forgot.
[04:04] <ScottK> Firefox is supposedly fixed.
[04:04] <DaSkreech> ScottK:  I saw. it broke that's kinda why I asked. If I'm going to fix it might as well do it right
[04:04] <ScottK> Sure thing.
[04:04] <DaSkreech> Can someone with a MSN account try MSn on BEta 2 ?
[04:04] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did the libmsn thing get sorted for Jaunty yet?
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: they want a quick security review first
[04:05] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.
[04:05] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Then still known to be broken.
[04:05] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: That's a no ?
[04:05] <DaSkreech> ok
[04:05] <DaSkreech> Bluetooth?
[04:05] <DaSkreech> !info amarok jaunty
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Righto
[04:06] <JontheEchidna> bluetooth and msn for kopete aren't in jaunty
[04:07] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Feel free to make my problem descriptions more elegant.
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Or at least more upbeat :)
[04:12] <ScottK> Anyone that can test amd64 alternate?
[04:13] <ScottK> Looks like that's the major problem.
[04:13] <ScottK> bah on upbeat.
[04:14] <ScottK> If a little negativity is going to stop someone from running this, they shouldn't run it.
[04:14] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Naw I'm just in an upbeat mood
[04:15] <DaSkreech> despite Dolphin not having a space left display option or working previews
[04:15] <JontheEchidna> DaSkreech: space left display is configurable, thankfully
[04:16]  * JontheEchidna never zooms dolphin
[04:16] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: How do I get it?
[04:16] <JontheEchidna> General section of the dolphin settings
[04:16] <JontheEchidna> select "Show space information"
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> just don't tick both boxes at the same time or you'll get nothing
[04:17] <DaSkreech> I just went there...
[04:17] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: Whoops too late checked both. it works. beta 2 rocks
[04:18] <nixternal> what are you running beta2 on?
[04:18] <nixternal> are there packages hidden somewhere?
[04:18]  * JontheEchidna points nixternal to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-beta-2
[04:18] <ScottK> nixternal: Hidden in the Jaunty repos
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Yes we put them somewhere no one reads
[04:18] <DaSkreech> The Kubuntu website and channel topic
[04:18] <nixternal> I know it has been released...didn't know if we had any intrepid packages
[04:19] <nixternal> ScottK: I can test that alternate amd64 iso if you need it
[04:19] <JontheEchidna> that's the "we have released packages" announcement
[04:19] <ScottK> nixternal: We do.
[04:19] <nixternal> better not break though, and it needs to support encryption
[04:19]  * nixternal grabs the ISO
[04:19] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: btw, replied to your message. I hope I didn't top post or anything
[04:19] <ScottK> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[04:20]  * JontheEchidna will be out for the night soon
[04:21] <DaSkreech> nixternal!!!
[04:21] <DaSkreech> Think up a rad pic for powerdevil then mail it to me
[04:30] <ScottK-desktop> Well that's a new one.
[04:30] <ScottK-desktop> I said yes when offered a reboot inside a chroot and it rebooted the entire machine.
[04:30]  * ScottK-desktop didn't think it would do that.
[04:31] <DaSkreech> ScottK-desktop: Wouldn't it send the command to the processor it's running on?
[04:32] <ScottK-desktop> I didn't think it would get out of the chroot.
[04:32] <ScottK-desktop> Obviously I was mistaken.
[04:33] <ScottK> Right, well back again.
[04:34] <ScottK> The good news is I did manage to upgrade the chroot from Intrepid to Jaunty OK
[04:45] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: that is exactly how you reply to an email...good job and I love the answers!!!
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Anyone remember anything significanfrom Alpha 1
[05:08]  * nixternal starts amd64 testing
[05:08] <nixternal> and it didn't start out pretty either
[05:08] <nixternal> I/O error messages like crazy
[05:08]  * nixternal tries to find out what they were/are
[05:09] <nixternal> I am guessing every ISO has this error:
[05:09] <nixternal> "Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical lock 176351"
[05:09] <nixternal> or something similar since they are Kernel ERR messages and not Kernal WARNING messages
[05:15] <ScottK> Well we've got some good test results without anyone else mentioning it.
[05:16] <nixternal> they may not be checking tty4 for messages during the install either
[05:16] <nixternal> I saw these on the alternate before it came up asking me to detect my keyboard, or whatever the first box is...can't remembe rnow
[05:16] <nixternal> it flashed on the screen very quickly
[05:23] <nixternal> 5 minutes have passed on the "Select and install software" screen and it is still at 6% and telling me to "Please wait..."
[05:23] <nixternal> the system is obviously doing something as I can hear the cdrom spin up and down as well as see hard drive activity via LED
[05:24] <ScottK> Lovely.
[05:25] <ScottK> Well the two people who did most of the previous testing are currently absent.
[05:25] <nixternal> after that spot, 5 minute little hang up, it is installing
[05:25] <ScottK> Ah.  Progress.
[05:25] <nixternal> I think this is the farthest I have been with a Kubuntu Jaunty alternate install to date :)
[05:26] <nixternal> so that is even more progress
[05:28] <ScottK> Excellent.
[05:29] <nixternal> Installation Completetion: errrr
[05:29] <nixternal> [!!] Configuring grub
[05:29]  * nixternal wonders if this is due to a logical /boot partition
[05:29]  * ScottK is thinking the launchpad-integration depends should be switched to kde5libs from kdelibs4c2a since it's only relevant to Konqueror
[05:30] <nixternal> heh, "running remove_broken_cdrom"
[05:30] <nixternal> I am seeing some different things here, not issues it seems, but things I have never witnessed before
[05:30] <ScottK> Does it take it back to Best Buy too?
[05:31] <nixternal> install completed
[05:31] <ScottK> Excellent.
[05:31] <nixternal> lets see if I hosed grub yet again
[05:32] <nixternal> grub isn't hosed, just didn't install the Kubuntu grub in the correct location...easy fix though (I hope) from Ubuntu
[05:34] <ScottK> nixternal: Which partitioning option did you take?
[05:34] <nixternal> manual w/ encryption
[05:34] <ScottK> There are known issues with manual on Ubiquty, but not D-I.
[05:35] <ScottK> nixternal: Please file a bug and mark it in the ISO tracker.
[05:35] <nixternal> the bug might be my fault though, which more than likely, in this case, I am the bug
[05:38] <ScottK> nixternal: At this point I'd rather get it written down and move on.  AFAIK you are the only one to try that test case.
[05:47] <ScottK> nixternal: I'm off to bed.  Just keep checking things off in the ISO tracker ...
[05:48] <nixternal> will do...g'nite
[05:48] <ScottK> Thanks.  Good night.
[06:02] <DaSkreech> ScottK: does koffice conflict with Beta 2 on jaunty?
[06:03] <ScottK> DaSkreech: I went to bed 15 minutes ago.
[06:03] <ScottK> DaSkreech: No idea.
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Ok
[06:03] <DaSkreech> I'll leave it as resolved then
[08:54]  * jussi01 waves
[09:45] <knusperfrosch> anyone with a laptop who can add a second battery? guidance doesn't seem to recognize that
[11:41] <ScottK> davmor2: Did you file/find a bug about the manual partition problem you had yesterday?
[11:43] <davmor2> ScottK: apparently it is the continuation of a bug that already exists so I didn't need too.  evand is well aware of it and trying to find a fix.
[11:43] <ScottK> OK.  If you have the bug number it might be useful to shove it on the tracker.
[11:44] <ScottK> Arby or nixternal: Any chance of you guys knocking out the last two alternate tests for i386 or amd64?
[11:46] <Arby> ScottK: sorry not really, I'm at work now and got plans for this evening. Is that all that's blocking alpha2?
[11:46] <ScottK> Arby: I don't think Kubuntu is blocking, but I was hoping to get to 100% to make sure that's not the case.
[11:47] <ScottK> Arby: Thanks for all you've done.  I'll see if I can find someone else....
[11:49] <davmor2> ScottK: It's not the case I think server was yesterday but slangasek was happy with the general coverage
[11:50] <ScottK> Server is looking very good now.  Xubuntu is still lacking, but I don't think that would block.
[11:50] <ScottK> So I'm not sure why we're waiting.
[11:50] <ScottK> Maybe for evand to fix Ubiquity.
[11:51] <davmor2> ScottK: Xubuntu desktop is screwed
[11:52] <ScottK> Ah.  So probably not waiting on that.
[11:52] <ScottK> Do you know what happened?
[11:53] <davmor2> ScottK: It could just be that the server tests weren't done before slangasek went to bed in which case the delay would be him.
[11:53] <ScottK> Yeah.  Could be.
[12:50] <JontheEchidna> ugh, I can't find a tarball for kdenlive anywhere...
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> wow, don't look at kdenlive's website, but find the tarball at kde-apps.org :P
[13:00] <smarter> JontheEchidna: why are you fiddling with kdenlive? :]
[13:01] <JontheEchidna> :]
[13:02] <JontheEchidna> Scott asked me nicely to do so
[13:03] <smarter> someone is already working on packaging the new version afaik
[13:04] <JontheEchidna> according to Scott they disappeared
[13:04] <JontheEchidna> s/they/he
[13:04] <smarter> hmm, I think I know one of the guys, he's on the french u-devel channel
[13:04]  * smarter pings hime
[13:06]  * JontheEchidna notices that as the KDE prerelease releases get better, less comments are made on the Dot
[13:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It's packaged in Debian Multimedia.
[13:17] <ScottK> There's an open bug on LP about the upgrade too.
[13:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/k/kdenlive/kdenlive.php
[13:18] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: The 'fun' part here is that we have mlt and mlt++ from Debian Main, not Debian Multimedia, so there are issues ...
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> So then we would need to merge our mlt(++) packages from debian multimedia?
[13:41] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Dunno.
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> current version in jaunty is higher than in multimedia, so I guess not
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> fun :D
[13:41] <ScottK> I got as far as getting mlt++ present in sufficient version, discovered it didn't work out of the box and this other guy said he was working on it.
[13:42] <ScottK> So I quit at that point.
[13:42]  * JontheEchidna nods
[13:42] <ScottK> But I'd suggest that diffing the Debian Main and Debian Multimedia mlt and mlt++ might be useful for at least getting it to build.
[14:23]  * JontheEchidna wonders when it is supposed to fail
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: builds just fine here
[14:24] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Kewl.  Then it's just a simple merge.
[14:25] <ScottK> When I tried it it couldn't find mlt during the build.
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> I just need to clean up the merge documentation in the changelog a bit, then I can send you the package + diffs
[14:31] <didrocks> hi
[14:31] <didrocks> ScottK, JontheEchidna : I have almost packaged the new version of kdenlive
[14:32] <didrocks> (as told in the ML)
[14:32] <didrocks> I am just facing a strange issue in the package -data file list
[14:32] <ScottK> didrocks: Sorry.  I thought you'd quit.
[14:32] <didrocks> and Lutin who have already packaged it should have a look at it
[14:32] <ScottK> Lutin isn't very active anymore.
[14:32] <didrocks> ScottK: no no, I am actually waiting for Lutin :)
[14:33] <ScottK> Likely to be a long wait.
[14:33] <didrocks> ScottK: if you whish, I can show you what does not work
[14:33] <didrocks> I think I have the .dsc on my server
[14:33] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Would you be willing to review didrocks' merge?
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> Sure
[14:34] <didrocks> JontheEchidna: I have two packages one with binaries, another one with -data
[14:34] <didrocks> I embedeed the /usr/share/doc on the binary package and do not understand why
[14:34] <didrocks> (with dh_installs)
[14:34] <didrocks> one minute, I will give you a link to the .dsc file
[14:36] <didrocks> JontheEchidna: http://www.didrocks.fr/temp/kdenlive_0.7-0.0ubuntu1.dsc
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> I'll also need the diff.gz :)
[14:37] <didrocks> you can dget it, it should work :)
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> oh, same location?
[14:37] <didrocks> yeah
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> cool
[14:38] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: When you're happy, let me know and I'll review your review.
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> Ok, I have a few comments
[14:43] <didrocks> JontheEchidna: yes ?
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> All of our KDE4 packages generally use the kde4.mk included in the Ubuntu cdbs package so that they can be translated
[14:44] <didrocks> this package uses debhelper (to stick, as previous version, with marillat repos)
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> So while it does make the diff between us and debian larger, we always just make debian/rules include include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk instead of using a built-in cdbs solution or debhelper
[14:45] <didrocks> consequently, this impact all commands in debian/rules, right?
[14:46] <didrocks> (if we get ridden of debhelper)
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> yes, using kde4.mk means that just about everything in there is unneeded
[14:46] <didrocks> can I take another KDE package as a good example?
[14:47]  * JontheEchidna looks for a good example
[14:47] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Changing the build system from Debian though is on the No-No list.
[14:48] <smarter> someone should probably ask marillat to use kde4.mk
[14:48] <ScottK> It's a Universe pacakge, so the odds of added translations is low anyway.
[14:48] <smarter> since even Debian use it: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/branches/kde4/packages/kdelibs/debian/rules?op=file&rev=0&sc=0
[14:48] <ScottK> Agreed.
[14:48] <didrocks> that was what I was thinking and we normally stick with debian packaging system and patch...
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> our kde4.mk is customized, debian doesn't really want it
[14:48] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yes, but they have their own.
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> ok, then stick with debhelper
[14:49] <didrocks> ok
[14:51]  * JontheEchidna wonders why debian is dropping the -data package
[14:52] <didrocks> JontheEchidna: the drop seems to be from a long time ago, so, I merged this changed to keep it
[14:52]  * ScottK suggests a careful look at the licensing of the data.
[14:53] <didrocks> ScottK: there were some licence changes/enhancement from marillat's licence files. I kept them
[14:53] <didrocks> (in the merge)
[14:54] <ScottK> didrocks: My thought is that the data files may be non-free would be a reason.
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> wouldn't they have pruned the non-free data files from the tarball and dsfg'd it?
[14:55] <didrocks> ScottK: let me have a look at their website
[14:55] <ScottK> Yes, in theory, but this is from Debian Multimedia and not Debian Main, so you have to be extra careful.
[14:55] <ScottK> The only reason Debian Multimedia exists is for stuff to legally scary for Main.
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> too bad the changelog is pretty sparse on debian's part
[14:56] <didrocks> hum, the official website does not seem to be very talkative
[14:59]  * JontheEchidna testbuilds
[14:59] <didrocks> oki
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> (my machine is a bit slow, 40% done)
[15:03] <didrocks> JontheEchidna: the build is long, even with a fast one :)
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> not compared to a lot of KDE :P
[15:04] <didrocks> I imagine ^^
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> Amarok is a bit of a beast to compile as well
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> they have qtscript bindings for most of Qt included in the source
[15:06] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: only because of qtscript, rest of Amarok is quite lean
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[15:07]  * didrocks uses Qt only for kile ;)
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[15:07] <didrocks> ooopsss, I am on #kubuntu-devel :p
[15:07] <Tm_T> didrocks: we all are GNOME-zealots to bring KDE down for good
[15:07]  * Tm_T hides
[15:07] <didrocks> Tm_T: :)
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> just about done
[15:15] <didrocks> waow, longer than in my laptop :)
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> done
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> there shouldn't be any issues with the -data, they're pngs and text files
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> that happen to be without copyrighs
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[15:19] <didrocks> I had a deeper look at the kdenlive website, nothing found useful :/
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> I couldn't even find a tarball on the kdenlive website
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> I had to go to kde-apps, then follow the link to the main page of sourceforce
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> *forge
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> search for kdenlive, and get the tarball from there
[15:19] <didrocks> yes, their website is really empty :/
[15:20] <didrocks> and going to SF to find the tarball is quite strange
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> maybe data text files don't need copyrights
[15:21] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: You know that's not true ...
[15:21] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: grep -ir copyright * on the relevant dir and see what you get.
[15:21] <ScottK-laptop> Sometimes images have embedded text.
[15:22] <didrocks> ScottK-laptop: so, I will have in mind to double-check marillat's packages
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> grep -iR "copyright" kdenlive-0.7/data/ shows nada
[15:22] <ScottK-laptop> Hmmmm.
[15:24] <ScottK-laptop> There doesn't actually seem to be much in that dir, now that I've looked.
[15:24] <ScottK-laptop> I have the tarball from Debian Multimedia.
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> us too
[15:25] <didrocks> ScottK-laptop: I used this one.
[15:25] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  It doesn't seem to me that there is enough there to justify a separate data package.
[15:26] <ScottK-laptop> It's ~60K
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that's most likely why they dropped the -data package
[15:27] <didrocks> so, I can merge them back this evening (I do not have access to my laptop now)
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> good merge all-in-all
[15:30] <didrocks> JontheEchidna: I am going to home right now. I think I can give you something in a couple of hours. Is it ok?
[15:31] <didrocks> if you have any other suggestion, do not hesitate, I will backlog ;)
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, that's perfectly ok
[15:31]  * JontheEchidna does ahve to go for a bit too
[16:17] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Is there some KDE provided sound we could use for quassel notifications?  The phonon support works if you build the Git snapshot with phonon-dev.
[16:17] <ScottK-laptop> This is on Intrepid.
[16:31] <jussi01> ScottK: could we not just use the kopete received sound? /usr/share/sounds/Kopete_Received.ogg
[16:32] <jussi01> or is that too alike?
[16:32] <ScottK-laptop> jussi01: We could, but then quassel would have to depend on Kopete.
[16:33] <jussi01> ScottK-laptop: hrm, yeah
[16:34] <ScottK-laptop> jussi01: Do that again.  I'm trying KDE-Sys-App-Message.ogg
[16:34] <Nightrose> also it would be nice to distinguish the two sounds
[16:34] <jussi01> ScottK-laptop: how about /usr/share/sounds/KDE-Im-Irc-Event.ogg ?
[16:34] <ScottK-laptop> Hmm.  No sound the time.
[16:35] <jussi01> ScottK-laptop: hrm, wondeer why
[16:36] <Nightrose> maybe because of the : at the end of his nick? how about ScottK-desktop
[16:36] <Nightrose> or ScottK-laptop
[16:36] <ScottK-laptop> Nope.
[16:36] <Nightrose> ok quassel has problems with that from time to time
[16:37] <ScottK-laptop> OK
[16:37] <ScottK-laptop> Please try again.
[16:37]  * jussi01 waves to Sput
[16:37] <jussi01> heya ScottK-laptop
[16:37]  * Sput waves back
[16:38] <ScottK-laptop> Nope.
[16:38]  * ScottK-laptop quits and tries again.
[16:39] <ScottK-laptop> Hit me again.
[16:39] <jussi01> ScottK-laptop:
[16:40] <ScottK-laptop> Just got an idea.  Once more please.
[16:40] <jussi01> ScottK-laptop: like any other irc client,to get identified before logging into chans put your nick password as server password
[16:41] <ScottK-laptop> Worked that time.
[16:42] <ScottK-laptop> The difference was quassel wasn't the window on top.
[16:42] <ScottK-laptop> Which makes sense.
[16:42] <jussi01> ScottK-laptop: ahh, yes, makes sense
[16:42] <ScottK-laptop> I also got a screenshot of the double notification problem I was seeing (dbus and qt both).
[16:43] <jussi01> ScottK-laptop: thats just a config option, you can turn them off in the settings
[16:43] <ScottK-laptop> jussi01: The dbus one is, but the QT one isn't.
[16:44] <ScottK-laptop> So if you want dbus, you get both ....
[16:44] <ScottK-laptop> Sput: ^^
[16:44] <jussi01> ScottK-laptop: oh, hrm.
[16:44] <Sput> you can disable the systray notification
[16:44] <Sput> if you can't, something's broken :)
[16:44] <Sput> "[ ] Show Bubble"
[16:45]  * ScottK-laptop looks
[16:46] <ScottK-laptop> Yep.
[16:46] <ScottK-laptop> Sput: It's kind of hard to relate "Bubble" and "DBUS Notifications".  Shouldn't they be more closely related in the prefs.
[16:47] <ScottK-laptop> And maybe even one should toggle off if the other is enabled?
[16:47] <Sput> hmm, terminology could be better probably
[16:48] <Sput> as for the other, I'm not sure - maybe someone wants to have both (and use dbus for playing a sound or whatever)
[16:48] <Sput> I would love a better name for Desktop Notification
[16:48] <Sput> but Galago doesn't help people either I guess
[16:49] <ScottK-laptop> Hrrm.
[16:49] <ScottK-laptop> seele: ^^^ Thoughts?
[16:50] <Sput> I think in the KDE version we will only have knotify anyway, and disable all other backends
[16:51] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Is there a rough timeline on a KDE version?
[16:52] <Sput> depends on how fast I manage to get myself into that, I don't have prior experience. I did, however, prepare the various util classes to be ready to be replaced by KDE's classes later on (icons, shortcuts and such)
[16:52] <Sput> I plan to play around during xmas break and see how far I can get
[16:52] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[16:53] <jussi01> I guess it depends on what needs doing also, no?
[16:53] <Sput> yes
[16:53] <Sput> our priorities have changed a bit since yesterdays, I guess :)
[16:53] <ScottK-laptop> Sput: Is it possible to provide a standard additonal buffer view in addition to All via config file?
[16:54] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Would you please make sure seele gets the git snapshot package to test.
[16:54] <Sput> ScottK-desktop: I thikn not yet, but we definitely plan to provide a much more reasonable default layout out of the box in the future
[16:55] <Sput> in particular, don't show All by default at all, and use only custom views
[16:55] <ScottK-laptop> Sput: Well that and having a default channel included (which I guess is going to get more doable shortly) are I think both must haves for us.
[16:55] <Sput> I guess so
[16:55] <ScottK-laptop> Not that I speak officially for the project, of course.
[16:55] <Sput> sure
[16:57] <Sput> I think for stuff like this, we can accommodate your needs quite well... worst case providing and maintaining a kubuntu patch
[16:57] <Sput> I mean, a patch for "kubuntu mode"
[16:57] <ScottK-laptop> Right.
[16:57] <ScottK-laptop> We'd definitely use the monolithic client for default (with an option to switch).
[16:57] <Sput> of course
[16:58] <Sput> note that even the monolithic client can (not by default, but by providing -p) listen to other, remote clients
[16:58] <Sput> and you can of course use it to connect to remote cores too :)
[16:58] <ScottK-laptop> How about right-clicking on a nick in the channel gives the same options as in the nick list.
[16:58] <Sput> so that would not even be a limitation...
[16:58] <ScottK-laptop> That's currently driving me nuts.
[16:59] <Sput> that's planned, not yet fully done (but most pieces in place already)
[16:59] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[16:59] <Sput> I have no clue how to do nick recognition efficiently enough right now, that's the one blocker... providing that for the sender column will be easy
[16:59] <ScottK-laptop> I think we'd want to make using a remote core less accessible than it is now.
[17:00] <Sput> recognizing nicks in normal text will be much harder
[17:00] <ScottK-laptop> It's almost like the internal core is less wanted.
[17:00] <ScottK-laptop> #ubuntu-devel
[17:00] <ScottK-laptop> That works.
[17:00] <Sput> well, that's from a perspective of devs who always used remote cores :)
[17:00] <ScottK-laptop> Of course
[17:01] <ScottK-laptop> Since IRC is our first line support tool for new users, it has to be extremely obvious how to take the shortest pat to success.
[17:02] <Sput> I guess you have a large "Get Support" button somewhere, that starts the default IRC client and joins #kubuntu
[17:03] <ScottK-laptop> I don't think it's that automagic, but we do have freenode in the default IRC config and #kubuntu is the only channel.
[17:03] <Sput> yep, makes sense for the target group
[17:04] <ScottK-laptop> Currently we're considering no IRC client on the install CD, quassel, and kvirc.  I haven't looked at the KDE4 kvirc yet.
[17:06]  * ScottK-laptop decides to go do some $WORK.
[17:11]  * Sput too
[17:16] <rgreening> ScottK-desktop: I'm attempting to update the kvirc with the changes you meantioned the other day...
[17:17] <ScottK> Great.  We need to look at that one too.
[17:18] <rgreening> ScottK: dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - kvirc-kde4 and kvirc
[17:19] <rgreening> in trying to change to kde4
[17:19] <rgreening> oh, does src tar need to be renamed?
[17:21] <ScottK> rgreening: Probably debian/control and debian/changelog, but that too.
[17:21] <rgreening> color me confised... though I did it correct.
[17:22] <rgreening> ScottK: should the changelog spec -kde4? If it does, then the src file wants to be renamed (it seems)
[17:22] <ScottK> rgreening: I think for now.  That's what we want.
[17:23] <rgreening> ok, I'll try it that way. Feel free to point out fixes after I upload :)
[18:13] <rgreening> Riddell: I think I have the flash install patch modded enough to work. I was attempting to do a full port, but was unsuccessful. Had to use some kde3support and qt3support to make it work.
[18:15] <rgreening> Riddell: test building now. once completed, I'll test local and then upload to experimental (? I assume this is the best for it)
[18:17] <ScottK> rgreening: We're going for no KDE3 on the CD, so it'll have to get finished at some point.
[18:18] <rgreening> ScottK: this is part of kde4libs not kde3
[18:18] <ScottK> Ah.. Cool.
[18:18] <rgreening> some depricated classes move to a special resting ground in kde4libs called kde3support
[18:18] <rgreening> to eventually be removed
[18:19] <rgreening> we can live with it for now...
[18:20] <ScottK> Makes sense.
[18:25] <ScottK> What was the new binary in kde-edu that put it in New?
[18:26] <smarter> ScottK: plasmoid-worldclock
[18:27] <ScottK> smarter: Thanks.
[18:32] <ScottK> Any ideas why the dbus pop-up is brown: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/notify.png
[18:34] <smarter> that looks like the ubuntu notifiy daemon
[18:34] <smarter> you have some gnome stuff running I'd say
[18:49] <ScottK-desktop> That's quassel with dbus notifications turned on.
[18:50] <ScottK-desktop> (version from their git trunk)
[18:50] <ScottK-desktop> The non-brown one is the normal qt bubble.
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> I get the same brown bubbles using the libnotify plugin with pidgin
[19:03] <seele> ugh.. reading black text on white background sucks
[19:03] <seele> brb
[19:04] <seele> ScottK: what am i supposed to get now?
[19:08] <rgreening> ScottK: I just dput the kvirc updated for using -kde4. I'm sure I missed some other things.. feel free to yell them at me so I fix :)
[19:11] <ScottK-desktop> rgreening: To your PPA?
[19:11] <ScottK-desktop> JontheEchidna: Any idea if we can change that?
[19:12] <DaSkreech> Anyone have anything they want mentioned in the alpha 2 release notes?
[19:16] <ScottK> seele: apachelogger put together an updated quassel package from their git repo.  I improved it slightly.  So the idea would be for you to install quassel (not quassel-client/core) and give us some usablity fatal flaw analysis.
[19:16] <ScottK> seele: I just uploaded to my PPA for Intrepid, so it'll take a bit to build.
[19:17] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive
[19:18] <rgreening> ScottK: yes. my ppa
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: By "change" you mean, "host somewhere else"?
[19:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I mean not have the notifications be brown.
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> oh, I never figured that out. I assume the notification framework has ubuntu-specific art
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> ah, the internet: http://i42.tinypic.com/2cmufr8.jpg
[19:35] <rgreening> I'd give 1 point for originality
[19:36] <rgreening> dam kdelibs
[19:36] <rgreening> grr
[19:37] <rgreening> I can't get it to link in the qt3support or kde3support libraries via cmakelists.txt.
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> kopete uses kde3support, maybe you could look at it as an example?
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> (uses k3proccess)
[19:40] <DaSkreech> Kopete uses KDE3?
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> it still uses some depreciated kde3 functions for its networking code
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> or something like that
[19:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: You fixing the okular thing you wrote the ML about?
[19:46] <ScottK> ... when the freeze is over.
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> there's a triaged bug about that against k-d-s in LP
[19:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: Riddell wanted to, also if I understod him correctly we can drop all the kwinrules because it is implemented upstream
[19:54] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: thanks. I'll have a look. :)
[20:02] <chris062689> Ahh that was a nice nap :D
[20:03] <chris062689> I love KDE 4.2 Beta 2, really stable so far
[20:05] <DaSkreech> <3
[20:06] <didrocks> JontheEchidna: sorry, I had my dinner to a restaurant :) You can now give it a try in one package: http://www.didrocks.fr/temp/kdenlive_0.7-0.0ubuntu1.dsc
[20:07] <didrocks> if it's ok, I can upload the debdiff to the attached bug
[20:14]  * DaSkreech nominates a wallpaper for KDE 4.3
[20:14] <DaSkreech> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rowandw/2276721446/sizes/l/
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> didrocks: Oh, I just remembered something I forgot to ask earlier. Looking at the debdiff between debian and the merge, there is a kdenlive-0.7/.pc/.version file that was added in your merge. I don't know if that's supposed to be there or not, but at the least it's a change not documented in the changelog as an outstanding change
[20:15] <didrocks> JontheEchidna: I think this is quilt related
[20:16] <didrocks> I tried without it and it even not build the source package
[20:17]  * JontheEchidna tests
[20:20] <didrocks> (it seems to be quilt version)
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> So it's something that quilt generates? I would assume that it would generate it during runtime
[20:28] <didrocks> JontheEchidna: quilt generated it when adding the patch system
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> I don't think I've ever seen anything that uses quilt before ever require a direct change in the diff.gz
[20:28] <didrocks> and it uses it when running the clean rule
[20:29] <didrocks> let me have a look to the debdiff with the last ubuntu version
[20:31] <didrocks> JontheEchidna: it was also in the latest ubuntu version
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> ok, maybe it's required then. I think that it should be at least documented as a difference to prevent further confusion such as this :P
[20:32] <didrocks> JontheEchidna: ok. I document it in the changelog
[20:32] <didrocks> but I would rather have further documentation on it
[20:32] <didrocks> but didn't find anything
[20:32] <didrocks> :/
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> yeah... .pc/.version not exactly the most googleable term
[20:33] <didrocks> indeed ^^
[20:34] <didrocks> do I adapt the changelog and attach the 2 debdiff to the bug?
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> yes, everything else looked fine. The diff between us and debian is nice and small :)
[20:35] <didrocks> thanksfully ^^
[20:39] <rgreening> seele: If you want to look at kvirc in addition to quassel, it's our other option as a replacement IRC client. I have it in my PPPA (https://edge.launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive)
[20:45] <ScottK> seele: ^^ Please do.
[21:35] <f4l3_> hi guys
[21:37] <DaSkreech> hi
[21:39] <f4l3_> http://www.digikam.org/about/releaseplan <-- will digikam 0.10 be in 9.04?
[21:46] <smarter> f4l3_: there is a high chance that yes
[22:47] <NCommander> apachelogger, you around?
[22:48] <apachelogger> yus
[22:50] <NCommander> apachelogger, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/+bug/308814 - sponsor plz
[22:51] <ScottK-palm> Time to put a release notice out on kubuntu.org.  Particularly since the Ubuntu Alpha 2 announcemt didn't reference our release note.
[22:52] <ScottK-palm> NCommander: It'll be several hours before I can do any sponsoring, so don't feel like you have to wait.
[22:53] <apachelogger> NCommander: do you have to show up with such stuff at 23:50 :P
[22:53] <NCommander> ScottK-palm, I've been waiting for three days, whats another few hours (I need to go out anyway)
[22:53] <NCommander> apachelogger, yes, yes I do
[22:53] <apachelogger> NCommander: the kdelibs changelog is flawed
[22:54] <apachelogger> Dropped, unnecessaru since
[22:54] <NCommander> ?
[22:54] <NCommander> Its in bazaar, you can fix it if you want :-)
[22:54] <ScottK-palm> I can't change /topic very effiectively from here.  Would someone else?
[22:54] <NCommander> or I can commit a fix
[22:54] <apachelogger> I want you to :P
[22:54] <apachelogger> ScottK-palm: you tested the pyqt change?
[22:55] <ScottK-palm> NCommander or Apachelogger: kde5libs needs to depend on launchpad-integration.
[22:55] <apachelogger> who merged that away
[22:55] <NCommander> brb
[22:56] <ScottK-palm> Currently that gets pulled in by the kde3 lib package, but it's Konq that cares.
[22:56] <ScottK-palm> apachelogger: It's never been there I don't think.  It needs to be shifted.
[22:56] <apachelogger> IIRC we added it
[22:57] <apachelogger> or maybe we add it to -desktop or the seed
[22:57] <apachelogger> the help->translate thingy depends on it as well
[22:57] <ScottK-palm> As long as we had KDE3 stuff in -desktop it didn't matter.
[22:57] <ScottK-palm> I did a test upgrade from Intrepid and it ended up removed.
[22:58] <ScottK-palm> NCommander: Would you stuff that in bzr too?n
[22:58] <ScottK-palm> apachelogger: I didn't test the latest pykde4 stuff.
[22:59] <apachelogger> kde4libs (4:4.1.2-0ubuntu9) intrepid; urgency=low
[22:59] <apachelogger>   [ Roderick B. Greening ]
[22:59] <apachelogger>   * Add dep for launchpad-integration to kdelibs5 (LP: #283834)
[22:59] <apachelogger> ScottK-palm: jr did merge it away
[22:59] <ScottK-palm> Hmmm. K. Well it got dropped.
[23:00] <ScottK-palm> Grumble.
[23:00] <apachelogger> NCommander: if you add launchpad-integration ... also add it to the KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-DIFF document
[23:00] <apachelogger> otherwise it will probably be dropped again
[23:01] <ScottK-palm> apachlogger: My approach would be just to test build and upload if it doesn't die for kde4bindings.
[23:01] <ScottK-palm> python-qt4 too.
[23:02] <ScottK-palm> I know NCommander has been very careful and used the exra time he got.
[23:02] <apachelogger> ScottK-palm: agreed, but I guess you will get to it earlier then, I should be going to bed soon
[23:03] <ScottK-palm> NCommander: If you could figure out where the hppa builds of kde4bings are going, that'd be great.
[23:03] <ScottK-palm> apachelogger: OK.
[23:04] <NCommander> ScottK-palm, LP bug :-)
[23:05] <ScottK-palm> Right, so talk nice and see if they can sort it....
[23:06] <apachelogger> NCommander: about the removal of debian/patches/kubuntu_70_nepomuk_qreal.diff in libs... is it in progress upstream?
[23:06] <apachelogger> NCommander: it is likely that nepomuk returns for rc1, so we would have to digg up that patch again
[23:06] <NCommander> apachelogger, its not needed any more, nepomuk is still built in libs, and had no issues
[23:06] <NCommander> apachelogger, I had that in place for bindings
[23:07] <apachelogger> that is what I mean
[23:07]  * NCommander notes bindings with nepomuk still dies with another error
[23:07] <NCommander> That didn't fix it right
[23:07] <apachelogger> fair enough then
[23:07] <ScottK-palm> IIRC you end up needing a circular build-dep for Nepomuk anyway.
[23:08] <ScottK-palm> Let's not have that again.
[23:08] <apachelogger> lolz
[23:08] <apachelogger> NCommander: easy on the commits :P
[23:08] <NCommander> apachelogger, and I did fix the nepomuk error by commenting out a constructor in bindings for varient.hpp which TBH, if your using in Python, I'd be worried
[23:09] <ScottK-palm> apachelogger: Can you put the Alpha 2 release announcement on kubuntu.org?
[23:09] <apachelogger> ScottK-palm: where is it now?
[23:09] <apachelogger> or should I be writing one?
[23:10] <chris062689> The state of emulation SUCKS in KDE 4.
[23:10] <ScottK-palm> Daskreech wrote the release notes.
[23:10] <chris062689> There's no good emulators out there for Linux, and their GUIs suck.
[23:10] <chris062689> Segmentation Faults all over the place ;_;
[23:10] <ScottK-palm> Somebody kick him plz. I'm really not in the mood.
[23:11] <ScottK-palm> Actually, I need to run.
[23:11] <ScottK-palm> Catch you later.
[23:11] <chris062689> (Sorry, I wanted to post that in #kubuntu, ignore that)
[23:11] <DaSkreech> !ot | chris062689
[23:12] <apachelogger> wth
[23:12]  * apachelogger pokes stdin
[23:12] <apachelogger> ubottu is clearly ot itself
[23:12] <apachelogger> and not intelligent either
[23:12] <didrocks> :)
[23:13] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: so, where can I find the release notes?
[23:13] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: usual
[23:15] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: huh?
[23:16] <DaSkreech> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha2/Kubuntu
[23:17] <apachelogger> thx
[23:23] <apachelogger> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/jaunty-alpha-2