[00:31] <burner> what's the word on nvidia drivers?  the -nv drivers work, but they're a bit sloppy...  i notice nouveau is currently not apt-gettable either
[01:43] <sisto> good night
[01:43] <sisto> does anyone know if speeding up the startup is still a priority for jaunty?
[01:52] <loic-m> it was still a priority last week at uds
[02:14] <sisto> nice
[02:14] <sisto> can't wait to try jaunty :D
[02:15] <sisto> there's still 4 month and a half left though :(
[02:15] <sisto> but that's lots of time to make it even better :D
[02:25] <maco> when can we expect alpha 2?
[02:44] <charlie-tca> maco: soon as qa gets it tested
[02:45] <maco> charlie-tca: the iso or the installed version?
[02:46] <maco> i have a broken cd drive, so i cant test anything bigger than a net install (cd drive breaks at about 100mb)
[02:47] <charlie-tca> Huh? At least the iso. It was due out today.
[02:47] <charlie-tca> I don´t know if there will be a net install, but I think so.
[02:49] <maco> well the X packages are still busted right?
[02:49] <charlie-tca> busted how? I have not had any issues with the alternate installs
[02:53] <crimsun> charlie-tca: proprietary drivers
[02:54] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I think still busted
[02:54] <crimsun> I know for a fact that both are still busted
[02:54] <charlie-tca> The push is to get the iso out, then try to get that fixed
[02:55] <crimsun> understood, and those of us who understand the breakage understand that it's not as simple as simply changing the provides in debian/control
[02:55] <maco> charlie-tca: what about dist-upgrades for people who dont use proprietary drivers? those likely to work?
[02:56] <charlie-tca> I don´t know. I haven´t done anything with them yet
[02:56] <crimsun> maco: yes, unless you use the vmmouse driver
[02:56] <maco> i dont currently have any vm's going
[02:56] <crimsun> maco: then again, that driver was removed from xorg's -input-all, so you should be fine
[02:56] <maco> is vmmouse for specific virtuailizaton software?
[02:56] <maco> oh ok
[02:56] <charlie-tca> thanks, crimsun
[04:56] <tretle> hi anyone awake?
[05:09] <burner> sure
[08:31] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: ping
[08:31] <Hew> BUGabundo_work: pong
[08:31] <BUGabundo_work> do you remember https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seahorse/+bug/308985 ?
[08:32] <BUGabundo_work> that we were talking to gnomefreak a few day?
[08:32] <BUGabundo_work> its getting horse...
[08:32] <BUGabundo_work> now the pineentry never gets send to foreground
[08:32] <BUGabundo_work> its always stuck in the background....
[08:32] <BUGabundo_work> humm now that I think of it, I think it's a bug with Compiz
[08:33] <BUGabundo_work> (yeah I'm crazy like that, I run compiz with a broken nvidia driver, and screen never refreshs properly)
[08:33] <Hew> hehe
[08:33] <BUGabundo_work> should I file it against compiz and pine entry?
[08:34]  * BUGabundo_work tests with compiz off
[08:34] <Hew> if it happens with Compiz but not Metacity, then yes report it as Yet Another Compiz bug :P
[08:35] <BUGabundo_work> LOL YACB
[08:36] <BUGabundo_work> Confirmed
[08:36] <BUGabundo_work> Compiz bug with the pine entry pop up
[08:36] <BUGabundo_work> filing now
[08:40] <BUGabundo_work> bah.. apport-cli 87% network problem
[08:40] <BUGabundo_work> again...
[08:41] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: is it working for you?
[08:48] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: FYI bug 309622
[09:35] <Hew> BUGabundo_work: Sorry was afk. I haven't used apport in a while so I'm not sure.
[09:36] <Hew> BUGabundo_work: For Compiz bugs I always try and disable as many plugins using ccsm to see if one of them makes the issue disappear
[09:37] <BUGabundo_work> I'll try that latter
[09:37] <Hew> ok
[10:15] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: would never have guessed you'r from Down Under!
[10:59] <smallfoot-__> motherfuckers!
[10:59] <smallfoot-__> you cant trust the ubuntu people
[10:59] <smallfoot-__> they say they gonna release alpha2 on dec18, but then they dont!!
[10:59] <smallfoot-__> its dec 19 now!! where is alpha 2
[10:59] <bazhang> smallfoot-__, dont curse
[11:00] <smallfoot-__> ok ry
[11:00] <smallfoot-__> sry
[11:01] <smallfoot-__> i love ubuntu servers
[11:02] <smallfoot-__> im downloading daily-live .iso in 11.0 mbyte/s
[11:02] <smallfoot-__> i downloaded 692 megabyte in 25 seconds
[11:02] <ikonia> smallfoot-__: do you have a discussion/question regarding ubuntu 9.04 ?
[11:02] <smallfoot-__> i didnt find alpha 2, so i downloaded live cd
[11:02] <smallfoot-__> i gonna run it in virtualbox now
[11:02] <ikonia> smallfoot-__: do you have a discussion/question regarding ubuntu 9.04 ?
[11:03] <smallfoot-__> hmm... i think im gonna leave now
[11:03] <smallfoot-__> bye
[11:08] <Hew> BUGabundo_work: Why wouldn't you have guessed? :P
[11:12] <BUGabundo_work> I don't know... not that a common name
[11:17] <Hew> BUGabundo_work: Yea it's Welsh, I've never met anyone with the same name/spelling.
[11:18] <Hew> I thought perhaps you wouldn't have guessed because I'm up at crazy non-Australian hours :P
[11:33] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[11:33] <BUGabundo_work> there are crazy people all around
[11:34] <BUGabundo_work> maco stays up until 7/8am... how would guess that
[17:01] <thefish> hello, are the alpha-2 cd images still being uploaded?
[17:01] <Pici> thefish: They are still being tested.
[17:02] <thefish> ok cheers Pici
[17:02] <thefish> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[17:02] <thefish> that says where to download them from
[17:02] <thefish> all links from that are dead
[17:02] <thefish> other pages also link to the cdimage server for alpha-2
[17:03] <Pici> thefish: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[17:03] <thefish> cheers Pici, i guess this is very similar to the dailies
[17:04] <thefish> are they supposed to be released today?
[17:06] <Pici> thefish: The timeline actually says yesterday, but I haven't been following the QA process for the images so I'm not sure what exactly is going on.
[17:08] <thefish> ah it will probably be soon
[17:08] <thefish> was wondering about editing those pages
[17:08] <thefish> but as i press save, they will become available
[17:20] <BUGabundo_work> thefish: why not !daily ?
[17:20] <BUGabundo_work> !daily
[17:21] <thefish> BUGabundo_work: because the wiki pages dont point to them
[17:21] <thefish> i downloaded a daily after i saw alpha2 wasnt there :)
[17:21] <BUGabundo_work> okay
[17:22] <BUGabundo_work> have a nice weekend
[20:30] <tretle> I read somewhere that packagekit would be the default for kubuntu jaunty, will it be the default for ubuntu jaunty too?
[20:40] <tretle> http://web.mornfall.net/blog/farewell__44___adept.html
[20:40] <tretle> this is where i got the info
[20:43] <x1250> does anyone else has problems with gnome-settings-daemon? It does not run. Version is 2.25.2-0ubuntu3.
[20:43] <x1250> I'm sticked with a default gnome look.
[20:43] <_Zeus_> Hi, I'm running Jaunty, and for some reason I can't install nvidia-glx-* without removing xserver-xorg and derivitaves
[20:46] <x1250> _Zeus_, apt-get or aptitude should say why?
[20:47] <_Zeus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/88740/
[20:53] <x1250> apt-get user?
[20:53] <x1250> what does aptitude say?
[20:54] <x1250> did you do a apt-get dist-upgrade before?
[20:56] <_Zeus_> x1250: what do you mean user?
[20:56] <x1250> if you use apt-get to upgrade jaunty
[20:56] <_Zeus_> i did do dist-upgrade
[20:57] <_Zeus_> yes, i think so
[21:02] <x1250> _Zeus_, X is broken, there are some dependency problems in the repo right now. I guess some bad things on your side when you made your apt-get dist-upgrade. Does this happen if you install another package (not the nvidia one)?
[21:03] <_Zeus_> nope
[21:06] <x1250> _Zeus_, this may help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1011847
[21:06] <x1250> it seems to be related at least
[22:00] <pupolupilous> any clue on when alpha2 will be available?
[22:02] <SwedeMike> you mean outside of what the release schedule says?
[22:03] <SwedeMike> oh, it was supposed to be released yesterday.
[22:04] <Volkodav> anybody tried xfce 4.6 beta 2 yet ?
[22:05] <DrHalan> hey, hows alpha 2 you guys? :)
[22:06] <_Zeus_> is it out yet?
[22:07] <DrHalan> ah damn dec 20th right?
[22:07] <DrHalan> so hows jaunty in general i didn't have the opportunity yet to check it out
[22:17] <pupolupilous> and poof, alpha2 becomes available
[22:21] <DrHalan> pupolupilous: pardon me?
[22:24] <pupolupilous> i was attempting to download 9.04 alpha2 , but it wasn't available yet, and then soon enough it showed up
[22:26] <_Zeus_> DrHalan: Jaunty is fairly stable
[22:26] <_Zeus_> *knock on wood*
[22:28] <DrHalan> :P
[22:28] <DrHalan> well it is just debian import atm i guess isn't it _Zeus_?
[22:29] <_Zeus_> pretty much, yes, but that can get pretty hairy in itself
[22:50] <DrHalan> yeah sure cause it is from unstable
[23:23] <andersk> When I switch to virtual console 1 with Ctrl+Alt+F1, what might be causing an immediate switch back to virtual console 7?
[23:25] <genii> andersk: No valid shells... you may not have 7 vt ...
[23:26] <andersk> It only happens sometimes.  If I switch to console 1 twice, it almost always sticks the second time.
[23:29] <genii> Same thing with 2 thru 6 as well?
[23:30] <andersk> I haven't tried.  I'll get back to you on that.
[23:31] <andersk> Yes.  I just reproduced it with 7 -> 2.
[23:54] <DanaG> andersk: Happens to me too.
[23:54] <DanaG> And then if I hit ctrl-c.... the X server ITSELF gets the SIGINT... and quits.
[23:55] <crimsun> consolekit.
[23:56] <andersk> Ah.  This is bug 271962.  Thanks.
[23:59] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I did figure out why I kept getting fglrx hanging with "ASIC hang happened" -- my GPU is defective.
[23:59] <DanaG> I'm sending the laptop in to HP to get it fixed.