[14:38] <dilomo> thorwil: here's what I did today. What do you think?
[14:38] <dilomo> http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229697487.png
[14:42] <thorwil> dilomo: good. the edges seem a little hard, though
[14:44] <dilomo> the round edges or the lines that are etched in
[14:45] <dilomo> I used a top-bottom gradient for the black so that it look more 3D
[14:46] <thorwil> both
[14:50] <dilomo> thorwil: how can I fix this? Currently I use Inkscape to draw the buttons at 48x48px and outpu them at 24x24px. If I use 100 dpi the result is the same.
[14:51] <thorwil> 100 dpi is your native resolution?
[14:51] <thorwil> anyway, exporting to anything but 1:1 can't be good
[14:52] <dilomo> what do you mean by native res
[14:53] <thorwil> the dpi or your screen
[14:54] <thorwil> here, inkscape assumes it's 90 dpi
[14:55] <thorwil> if you select a rectangle that is 100 px wide, the dpi in the export dialog has to be adjusted such that the export will also be 100 px wide
[14:55] <dilomo> the dpi is 96 but for the fonts I think. For the screen ... should be the same or 90 as you suggested.
[14:56] <dilomo> then if I have 24px image I shiuld use 24px?
[14:56] <dilomo> 24dpi*
[14:56] <thorwil> no
[14:57] <dilomo> oh my mistake
[14:57] <thorwil> dilomo: draw a rectangle, make it 100px wide
[14:58] <thorwil> make sure it is selected, hit ctrl-shift-e
[14:58] <_MMA_> thorwil: I just exported a 100x100 square just fine @ 90dpi.
[14:58] <_MMA_> Came out 100x100
[14:58] <thorwil> _MMA_: i guess 90dpi is a fixed inkscape assumption
[14:58] <thorwil> which means that 100 dpi will lead to ... crap :)
[14:59] <dilomo> I did it and my inkscape is exporting at 57px = 51 dpi
[14:59] <thorwil> dilomo: with dpi at what?
[14:59] <dilomo> why crap
[14:59] <_MMA_> Im sure there's a reason. I usually save things at 72dpi but it messes up the res. I should ask Ted or Bryce about this.
[14:59] <dilomo> most of the images of new wave are done at 45doi
[14:59] <dilomo> dpi*
[15:00] <dilomo> and the largest and more complex things are exported at 90dpi
[15:01] <thorwil> dilomo: if you have a 1px strong line, it will only result in a sharp 1 px line with a 1:1 resolution
[15:02] <dilomo> yes
[15:03] <thorwil> so make sure on export that 100 px in the drawing result in 100 px!
[15:03] <dilomo> I did the test and it does it correctly
[15:05] <dilomo>  thorwil: but probably I should change the resolution of the drawing in incscape. My mistake was that I manually adjusted the height of the drawing to 24px and the dpi goes to 51. So If I want 24px output I should draw in 24x24px page?
[15:06] <thorwil> dilomo: page size doesn't matter
[15:06] <dilomo> but at 90dpi the X button has the same rough edges
[15:07] <thorwil> *shrug*
[15:22] <dilomo> so you bot like the form and the position of the buttons. I can smooth them in gimp
[15:52] <dilomo> bye
[16:51] <dilomo> thorwil: hi
[16:51] <thorwil> dilomo: welcome back
[16:51] <dilomo> thorwil: I've made the prelight :
[16:51] <dilomo> http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229705418.png
[16:52] <dilomo> and the pressed states of the X button:
[16:52] <dilomo> http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229705549.png
[16:52] <thorwil> dilomo: needs a little bleed and should perhaps include the symbol
[16:53] <dilomo> you mean brighter red?
[16:54] <thorwil> dilomo: maybe a little. what i actually meant was a little bit of red on the rounded edge
[16:55] <dilomo> Aham you mean using AO
[16:55] <thorwil> not quite
[16:56] <thorwil> dilomo: if you imagine this as physical object, there are 2 different effects that come to mind
[16:56] <thorwil> dilomo: the first would be bounced light that shines on the rounded edge
[16:57] <thorwil> dilomo: the other is the "aura" that light can have if the eye or a camera can't quite handle it
[16:58] <dilomo> yeah but thea aura is not possible with these images I made
[16:58] <dilomo> so I guess the first thing is the only option
[17:02] <thorwil> http://www.krunker.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/WindowsLiveWriter/CustomizedbacklitkeyswiththeLuxiiumLUXEE_F339/Luxeed_3_jpg%5B2%5D1.jpg
[17:02] <thorwil> http://www.orangeinks.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/mac2.JPG
[17:02] <thorwil> dilomo: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/164/427776101_144ac52117.jpg?v=0
[17:05] <dilomo> that's interesting but a red X would be too much. I like the apple keyboard but making everything with white glow is not very good
[17:06] <thorwil> dilomo: look beyond the color or lack of it. you see the effect i mentioned :)
[17:07] <dilomo> thorwil: I understand it but how is the X going to look when the button is pressed
[17:07] <thorwil> dilomo: a little bit brighter
[17:07] <dilomo> on the image I showed the light is coming from above the button not below
[17:09] <thorwil> dilomo: the red is magic then?
[17:10] <dilomo> :D
[17:11] <dilomo> I think that the X should remain white but with red glow
[17:18] <dilomo> thorwil:  btw wouldn't it be better if I make it simplier. Just make the prelight lighter but wit the same etched in effect.
[17:19] <thorwil> dilomo: no, you should have singing angels fly around the button!!
[17:20] <dilomo> c'mon man why are you joking?
[17:22] <thorwil> dilomo: what are you doing for normal buttons?
[17:23] <dilomo> thorwil: nothing. What should I be doing.
[17:24] <dilomo> they look like the max/min on the picture I showed
[17:24] <thorwil> dilomo: consider to do the same for prelight for both normal and wm buttons
[17:26] <dilomo> I will do them as already started. That's final. These buttons are not like the normal buttons thus they should differ
[17:32] <dilomo> bbl
[20:27] <tretle> I read somewhere that packagekit would be the default for kubuntu jaunty, will it be the default for ubuntu jaunty too?
[20:29] <_MMA_> tretle: #ubuntu+1 would be a better channel to ask in.
[20:30] <tretle> jeeze thought I posted that in #ubuntu+1 lol :D
[20:31] <_MMA_> :P
[20:42] <tretle> would rock if it did become default though, one of my favorite features of packagekit is packagekit-gstreamer which allows any gstreamer app to notify, search and install codecs without having to patch the actual app.. works with banshee, firefox, rhythmbox totem etc.
[20:43] <tretle> thuough banshee wont run properly unless you have gstreamer-good,bad and ugly but thats just a dependency issue
[23:15] <_MMA_> Cool GIMP brushes. http://hawksmont.com/blog/category/graphic_design/resources/gimp_brushes