| slangasek | directhex: right; except that now by touching gnome-sharp2, I've inadvertently added to the NBS list, which means it's also on my todo list :) | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| directhex | don't forget gnome-desktop-sharp2 too! | 00:01 |
| directhex | i have no idea why upstream split those | 00:01 |
| kirkland | slangasek: iso coming down painfully slower than usual | 00:04 |
| kirkland | any ideas why my usb mouse stopped working in jaunty after an update earlier this week? | 00:05 |
| slangasek | usb mouse - no idea here | 00:06 |
| Keybuk | weird, four files are now missing from my git import | 00:09 |
| geubank4 | 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 | 00:10 |
| geubank4 | 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 | 00:10 |
| * slangasek scratches his head | 00:12 | |
| directhex | 0! | 00:12 |
| slangasek | right, I got that part :) | 00:14 |
| NCommander | morning/evening/whenever slangasek and directhex | 00:14 |
| directhex | NCommander, just gone midnight | 00:14 |
| slangasek | NCommander: dawn of a new age, NCommander | 00:15 |
| NCommander | according to my inbox, yes, yes it is :-P | 00:15 |
| slangasek | oh hah, gnome-sharp2 is missing Replaces: on the old package names | 00:15 |
| kirkland | slangasek: so those server cd's still have the "encrypt home" option | 00:20 |
| kirkland | slangasek: which is going to fail miserably | 00:20 |
| kirkland | slangasek: if a user select the "yes, encrypt my home" option, the user creation will fail | 00:20 |
| kirkland | slangasek: i was under the impression that cjwatson had disabled that, in lieu of the missing kernel modules | 00:21 |
| slangasek | kirkland: seems appropriate to treat that as errata, IMHO | 00:25 |
| kirkland | slangasek: :-/ i'll go ahead and file a bug and prepare for the many duplicates | 00:26 |
| slangasek | you should only get duplicates from those who use early alphas without reading the errata from the technical overview | 00:27 |
| slangasek | I hope this is a small set :) | 00:27 |
| directhex | always the optimist, steve | 00:28 |
| calc | best buy is giving away bluray players when you buy any HDMI cable $79.99 or higher and 10 bluray movies (out of a set of 50) | 01:06 |
| calc | and has a cable advertised next to it for $116.99 | 01:07 |
| calc | when you can get them for $4.99 easily | 01:07 |
| kirkland | slangasek: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/user-setup/+bug/309541 | 01:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 309541 in user-setup "Jaunty Alpha 2 Installation: encrypted home directory broken" [Critical,Triaged] | 01:07 |
| kirkland | slangasek: details of that bug; workaround too | 01:07 |
| kirkland | slangasek: can you add that to the errata? | 01:07 |
| kirkland | slangasek: okay, server iso testing posted for amd64 and i386 | 01:29 |
| slangasek | kirkland: woot, thanks. Working on the errata now | 01:29 |
| * kirkland -> back to work that requires far more brain cycles | 01:30 | |
| slangasek | evand: was there a bug number for the ongoing issues with ubiquity manual partitioning? | 01:38 |
| RAOF | Hm. It seems https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview is lying at the moment; while alpha 2 contains the DDX part of nouveau, synced from debian, we still need the kernel modules before it'll actually work. | 01:47 |
| RAOF | I've got a dkms'd source package built for them; it just needs some debian/copyright love and a review. | 01:48 |
| NCommander | slangasek, where are the CD build logs? | 02:03 |
| slangasek | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ ? | 02:03 |
| bryce | RAOF, ah okay - can you update the release notes accordingly | 02:05 |
| RAOF | bryce: Certainly | 02:05 |
| bryce | RAOF basically what I was going for is, "Yeah, -nouveau is in the archive, but don't expect it to work" | 02:05 |
| NCommander | slangasek, thanks, for some reason, twm is on the Xubuntu CD O_O; | 02:06 |
| RAOF | bryce: I think we _might_ want bugs, once the kernel module's in. Upstream certainly doesn't mind bugs against the 2d component. | 02:06 |
| slangasek | RAOF: please let me know when you're done making that change, I have other cleanup pending | 02:07 |
| RAOF | Hm. Do you still have the lock on that page? | 02:09 |
| RAOF | slangasek: Do you want to finish your edits before I do mine? The wiki's complaining you've still got the lock on that page. | 02:11 |
| slangasek | RAOF: ignore my lock | 02:11 |
| slangasek | moin and browser back buttons don't play nice | 02:11 |
| RAOF | Heh. Done. | 02:11 |
| NCommander | slangasek, can you confirm a bug for me on the CD in /etc/apt/sources.list | 02:38 |
| NCommander | universe seems to have gone missing .... | 02:39 |
| slangasek | in xubuntu? | 02:39 |
| NCommander | yeah | 02:39 |
| NCommander | this is the line shipped: deb cdrom:[Xubuntu 9.04 _Jaunty Jackalope_-Alpha i386 (20081218)/ jaunty main multiverse restricted | 02:39 |
| slangasek | I don't have the xubuntu images to hand where I could inspect them | 02:40 |
| NCommander | bah. Who do I file a bug with to get that fixed :-)? | 02:40 |
| slangasek | is this the same xubuntu image that someone said 3 of 4 test cases passed just fine on for alpha-2? | 02:40 |
| NCommander | The alternate passed | 02:41 |
| NCommander | No one has reported success with desktop | 02:41 |
| slangasek | you're talking about desktop? | 02:41 |
| kirkland | slangasek: fyi, RAID seems busted in the installer | 02:41 |
| slangasek | ok | 02:41 |
| NCommander | slangasek, sorry that I wasn't clear | 02:41 |
| slangasek | kirkland: bug + errata? :) | 02:41 |
| kirkland | sladen: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-md/+bug/309555 | 02:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 309555 in partman-md "cannot create raid device" [High,New] | 02:42 |
| slangasek | ack | 02:42 |
| ScottK | slangasek: iso tracker says we aren't currently testing upgrades. Is the intended? | 04:08 |
| ashiswin | hello | 04:14 |
| lool | morning | 04:51 |
| slangasek | ScottK: I wasn't planning on focusing on upgrades yet given that upgrades are a moving target (generally happening via upgrade against the archive, not against ISOs) | 04:54 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: kees: hey guys, i just merged mdadm for jaunty | 04:55 |
| ScottK | slangasek: OK. As long as it's by design. | 04:55 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: kees: i haven't seen TheMuso around lately, who did the last merge | 04:55 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: kees: the diff is exceptionally big, due to our udev methodology | 04:55 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: kees: so I'd appreciate a good review | 04:55 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: kees: importantly, this merge fixes a couple of really nasty, critical segfault issues, brought up by Fabbione earlier today | 04:56 |
| kirkland | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/282492 for example | 04:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 282492 in mdadm "mdadm seg faults when forced to assemble array" [Critical,Triaged] | 04:56 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: kees: my work is available for review/sponsoring at http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/mdadm/ | 04:57 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: kees: from a testing perspective, i've functionally tested only a small subset of the vast array of mdadm functionality | 04:58 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: kees: raid1, booting, degraded, adding a disk, failing a disk | 04:59 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: kees: it would take a week or more to test every mdadm option ... what's my due diligence, here? | 05:00 |
| nixternal | kirkland: I may be able to lend a mdadm testing hand in the next few days if needed when I get back in the office...I am looking at mdadm as an option for one of our appliances in the future | 05:10 |
| ScottK | slangasek: I think we're in reasonable shape for Kubuntu unless some ubiquity fixes magically appear. | 05:38 |
| ScottK | For Alpha 2, I'm not sure we care. | 05:39 |
| * slangasek nods | 05:39 | |
| ScottK | slangasek: We also have release notes for you to link to in your release announcment. | 05:39 |
| slangasek | URL? | 05:40 |
| ScottK | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha2/Kubuntu | 05:41 |
| ScottK | Sorry. Got distracted. | 05:41 |
| ScottK | They aren't "Done", but they aren't horrible either. | 05:41 |
| Keybuk | dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp-udeb -pudev-udeb | 05:43 |
| Keybuk | dh_install: libvolume-id1 missing files (lib/libvolume_id.so.*), aborting | 05:43 |
| Keybuk | err, but I didn't tell you to do that package | 05:43 |
| ScottK | The iso tracker is reasonably well filled out http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all - nixternal is currently doing more amd64 alternates. | 05:43 |
| ScottK | slangasek: If it were up to me and everyone else was ready to go, I'd say Kubuntu is ready enough to pull the trigger. | 05:44 |
| ScottK | slangasek: In the meantime, we'll keep testing. | 05:44 |
| ScottK | JFTR I did a kubuntu-desktop upgrade in a chroot and it went smoothly. | 05:44 |
| Keybuk | ah, apparently I did | 05:45 |
| Keybuk | bloody build-arch: DH_OPTIONS=a | 05:45 |
| nixternal | ScottK: I am going to pass it...retested w/o my goofy setup just fine | 05:45 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Great. Progress. | 05:46 |
| nixternal | just gotta remember which partition is root for my goofy partition.... /dev/sda9 == (hd0,8) | 05:46 |
| nixternal | ooh, pretty KDE 4 :) | 05:46 |
| ScottK | slangasek: I'm off to bed, so good luck. | 05:48 |
| kees | kirkland: cool, I will review and install it tomorrow. generally, if it looks right and you think it's ready, it's good to upload. we should always be careful, but glitches are okay -- it is the devel release, after all. :) | 05:56 |
| nixternal | who needs a stripe anyways :p | 05:57 |
| lool | Hmm I'm afraid I need to raise a SRU regression, even if it's fairly minor | 05:58 |
| lool | dpkg : erreur de traitement de /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-libc-dev_2.6.27-11.21_amd64.deb (--unpack) : tentative de remplacement de « /usr/include/drm/drm_sarea.h », qui appartient aussi au paquet libdrm-dev | 05:58 |
| lool | Ah no, not promoted to updates yet | 06:00 |
| lool | slangasek: Around? we need to prevent linux from migrating to intrepid | 06:00 |
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| slangasek | oh gar, I was wondering about that bit of the changelog | 06:01 |
| lool | * synchronise our linux-libc-dev with the kernel userspace headers | 06:01 |
| lool | - LP: #300803 | 06:01 |
| slangasek | lool: please mark bug #300803 verification-failed | 06:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 300803 in linux "linux-libc-dev: please include video/uvesafb.h" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/300803 | 06:02 |
| lool | I don't think this should have been done in intrpeid | 06:02 |
| lool | slangasek: (done) | 06:02 |
| slangasek | indeed not; but the changelog was terse and the upstream delta large, so it didn't get very close inspection on its way through unapproved | 06:02 |
| lool | Touching the linux-libc-dev headers in a released distro doesn't make sense IMO | 06:04 |
| lool | (didn't exactly understand the scope of the change until reading the full description in the bug) | 06:06 |
| lool | slangasek: Also, this needs to go synchronized with a new meta, right? | 06:06 |
| slangasek | yes | 06:06 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:10 |
| lool | hey Daniel | 06:10 |
| dholbach | hey lool :) | 06:11 |
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| Keybuk | hmm | 06:32 |
| Keybuk | keep getting internal compiler errors | 06:32 |
| Keybuk | only in an i386 chroot though | 06:36 |
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| NCommander | hey cjwatson_ | 08:16 |
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| cjwatson | hmm, something apparently went wrong with the pygobject build for hardy-updates/sparc; it claims to be only for python 2.5, unlike other architectures | 11:24 |
| cjwatson | this breaks ubiquity's build | 11:24 |
| cjwatson | gar, timestamps caused an autotools regeneration | 11:26 |
| cjwatson | bug 309674: hardy-updates regression | 11:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 309674 in pygobject "python-gobject in hardy-updates on sparc misbuilt only for python2.5" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309674 | 11:56 |
| cjwatson | (I've mailed the TB and others) | 11:56 |
| ScottK | pitti: Is it your day for Archive duties? | 12:26 |
| ScottK | pitti: If so, if you would accept kde4-style-bespin from binary New, then libplasma2 could be removed (NBS). | 12:28 |
| * ScottK just noticed that kdeedu is also in binary New. | 12:34 | |
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| NCommander | WOOO, My application moved! | 13:29 |
| NCommander | ^NM | 13:39 |
| directhex | NCommander, quick, apply to be project secretary! | 13:40 |
| NCommander | Still no account | 13:40 |
| NCommander | and I think you need to be in a year before you can apply | 13:40 |
| * NCommander would be more interested in FTP assistant if I did anything | 13:40 | |
| NCommander | Must. Get. NEW. Queue. Empty | 13:40 |
| directhex | yeah, greenlight my moon package plz kkthx | 13:41 |
| evand | Does anyone know if gettext has a mechanism for handling a variable length list? For example, "%s, %s, and %s" or "%s and %s" or "%s". | 14:17 |
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| fta | bryce, just attached the info you asked in bug 265029 | 14:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 265029 in xorg-server "no mouse/keyboard when using evdev and autologin in gdm" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/265029 | 14:28 |
| kirkland | nixternal: awesome, thanks dude! | 14:45 |
| kirkland | kees: cool, thanks. | 14:45 |
| norsetto | kees, what do you think about bug 309732? | 14:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 309732 in duma "duma FTBFS in intrepid/jaunty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309732 | 14:54 |
| * EtienneG wonder: should mkfs create ext3 file system by default? | 14:58 | |
| ScottK | EtienneG: According to man mkfs, ext2 is the default. | 14:59 |
| EtienneG | ScottK, I know, I am questioning why :) | 15:00 |
| ScottK | At a guess either a developer picking a very conservative default or not updated in a long time. | 15:01 |
| ScottK | Since it's util-linux, I'd just ask lamont` | 15:03 |
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| EtienneG | on the other hand, if it is the default in util-linux as shipped by upstream, no need to break people's assumption needlessly | 15:05 |
| EtienneG | still, I get caught almost everytime I manually create an fs :( | 15:05 |
| NCommander | hey ScottK | 15:07 |
| ScottK | Heya NCommander. | 15:08 |
| NCommander | how goes it? | 15:08 |
| ScottK | I keep waiting for slangasek to pull the trigger on Alpha 2. In the meantime I might get some actual $WORK done. | 15:10 |
| NCommander | ScottK, same here | 15:16 |
| * NCommander is working on fixing a rather nasty bug in dpkg | 15:16 | |
| NCommander | assuming my sid chroot will actually build this century | 15:16 |
| * kirkland is wondering if an archive admin out there could nudge screen profiles through the queue, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+queue | 15:38 | |
| kirkland | pretty please :-) | 15:38 |
| * RainCT hugs kirkland for creating the screen profiles :) | 15:42 | |
| kirkland | RainCT: \o/ | 15:42 |
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| kees | norsetto: since duma was designed to overload those kinds of things, yeah, I think it's fine to pass -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE to it. | 16:16 |
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| LaserJock | asac: around? | 16:57 |
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| asac | LaserJock: on vac ;) whats up? | 16:57 |
| LaserJock | asac: oh, sorry. was just a NM question | 17:00 |
| LaserJock | asac: I can't seem to get NM to stick with a connection when I have eth0 and wifi available | 17:01 |
| LaserJock | when I first get on the network I tell it to connect to the eth0 network, but then it starts connecting to various wifi networks I also have available | 17:01 |
| LaserJock | is there some way to like prioritize them or something? | 17:02 |
| ScottK-laptop | Airplane mode switch should do it. | 17:02 |
| ScottK-laptop | ;-) | 17:02 |
| cody-somerville | Remember how I said people's #1 complaint is updates break their computer? I'm on the phone with someone who says after the updates they're getting the following error message: | 17:02 |
| cody-somerville | Aborted because of invalid compressed format (error=2) | 17:02 |
| cody-somerville | Kernel Panic: SYNCING VFS, unable to mount root fs on unknown-block. | 17:02 |
| asac | LaserJock: commonly complained feature ... only solution as of now is to disable wireless while being on wired | 17:03 |
| LaserJock | asac: ok | 17:04 |
| LaserJock | asac: I thought I had turned of "automatically connect" on the wifi networks but when I go into the editor it's checked | 17:04 |
| LaserJock | asac: does NM keep that setting? | 17:04 |
| asac | LaserJock: system connection? | 17:04 |
| LaserJock | no | 17:04 |
| asac | LaserJock: usually it works for me | 17:04 |
| LaserJock | asac: ok, I'll play with it some more | 17:05 |
| norsetto | kees, okki, thx | 17:21 |
| rtg | evand: when is ext4 gonna appear as an option when installing server? | 17:47 |
| ion_ | When It’s Ready™ would be my guess. :-) | 17:52 |
| cjwatson | rtg: do you think it's appropriate? it wouldn't be hard to add but I think we were waiting for the go from you guys ... | 17:54 |
| cjwatson | oh and I suppose we need the userspace tools to be in place, I don't know if they are | 17:54 |
| * ScottK knows jdong has been experimenting with ext4. | 17:54 | |
| rtg | cjwatson: The UDS discussion was that ext4 would be offered as an option on a disk formatted installed. dist-upgrades would continue with ext3 | 17:55 |
| cjwatson | somebody might need to hack minimal ext4 support into parted | 17:55 |
| rtg | s/installed/install/ | 17:55 |
| cjwatson | dist-upgrades> yeah, I didn't doubt that | 17:55 |
| rtg | ext3 will remain the default, but ext4 needs exercizing. | 17:55 |
| evand | I'd love to have ext4 support for fallocate. | 17:57 |
| cjwatson | doesn't appear to be any ext4 support in libparted. poo. | 17:57 |
| rtg | indded, ext4 has a number of advantages. | 17:57 |
| rtg | I'm interested in the trim instruction on SSDs | 17:58 |
| slangasek | hmm, I thought fallocate was being implemented in ext3 as well? | 17:59 |
| fta | kees, we planed to point to the partner repository instead of the adobe web site. | 18:00 |
| evand | Is it? I searched for such an article on Google hoping that it would be, but came up empty. Perhaps my google-fu is lacking. | 18:00 |
| evand | slangasek: link? | 18:00 |
| calc | cjwatson: iirc the discussion mentioned the userspace tools were already in intrepid, but i'm sure they are still being updated as bugs are found ;-) | 18:00 |
| slangasek | evand: some factoid I absorbed from skimming the samba-technical mailing list; it's possible I misunderstood | 18:01 |
| evand | I'll just continue to hope then :) | 18:02 |
| kees | fta: yeah, just got a brain-dump from asac | 18:02 |
| cjwatson | calc: looks like e2fsprogs is but that nobody's worked on libparted at all | 18:03 |
| fta | kees, if you're already done, well.. go ahead | 18:03 |
| calc | cjwatson: ah ok | 18:03 |
| ScottK | cody-somerville: What update caused that crash? | 18:20 |
| ScottK | slangasek: Is there anything from Kubuntu holding you back from Alpha 2? | 18:21 |
| slangasek | ScottK: no, I just have one more Ubuntu test failure to review and some publishing to do, then we should be there | 18:22 |
| slangasek | though xubuntu alternate/amd64 is untested | 18:22 |
| slangasek | cody-somerville, NCommander: either of you in a position to test that? | 18:22 |
| ScottK | slangasek: Great. Just wanted to make sure we weren't on the critical path. | 18:22 |
| slangasek | sure, thanks for asking | 18:23 |
| cody-somerville | slangasek, NCommander is | 18:23 |
| ScottK | slangasek: Any chance of getting some binary New done? I'm particularly anxious for kde4-style-bespin and kde-edu. Once kde4-style-bespin is out, libplasma2 can be removed. | 18:24 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: why is kde-edu in NEW? | 18:25 |
| slangasek | ScottK: yes, but not before I finish up alpha2 | 18:25 |
| ScottK | New/renamed biany, I assume. | 18:25 |
| ScottK | biany/bianary | 18:25 |
| ScottK | slangasek: Great. | 18:25 |
| ScottK | LaserJock: What university are you at again? | 18:26 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: University of Nevada | 18:26 |
| hunger | Is somebody working on fixing X again in jaunty? | 18:27 |
| ScottK | LaserJock: plasmoid-worldclock is the new package for kde-edu | 18:27 |
| ScottK | LaserJock: ondrej from DPMT is moving to Reno to go to U of N, Reno. | 18:28 |
| LaserJock | why is worldclock in KDE Edu? | 18:29 |
| ScottK | Debian Python Modules Team (where you show up to talk matplotlib sometimes) | 18:29 |
| ScottK | Dunno. Upstream does as upstream wills. | 18:29 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: oh, cool | 18:29 |
| * directhex reckons that if the desktop experience team were hiring for some kind of GL programming position, they should really really look at the application from the gtkglarea maintainer | 18:48 | |
| directhex | if such a person had applied, anyway | 18:48 |
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| EvanCarroll-box2 | Is there a channel for mirror maintence, the /fiesty/* is down at 91.189.88.40 80 | 20:07 |
| EvanCarroll-box2 | does any one have an alt ip i can use? | 20:07 |
| calc | EvanCarroll-box2: feisty is EOL its available at old-releases but should no longer be used in general | 20:12 |
| EvanCarroll-box2 | hrm, i thought it was supported for 1yr | 20:13 |
| Nafallo | EvanCarroll-box2: 1.5 years... | 20:13 |
| calc | EvanCarroll-box2: 18 months and it came out in apr 2007 | 20:13 |
| EvanCarroll-box2 | oh shit. I'm a year behind the rest of the world. | 20:13 |
| calc | EvanCarroll-box2: no longer supported as of Oct 2008 | 20:13 |
| calc | EvanCarroll-box2: current release is intrepid (8.10) | 20:15 |
| EvanCarroll-box2 | calc: yes, i know, i'm trying to trouble shoot intrepids cups-pdf which i think is bugged, and I wanted to have an older version for these issues.. | 20:17 |
| EvanCarroll-box2 | I aparently overachived. | 20:18 |
| EvanCarroll-box2 | I wanted 8.04, i got 7.04 | 20:18 |
| calc | EvanCarroll-box2: heh | 20:20 |
| calc | EvanCarroll-box2: well if you do need to go back that far you can get all releases at old-releases.ubuntu.com | 20:20 |
| tedg | I love that on one mailing list is a discussion on how SRU is too easy and on the other there is a discussion on how it's too difficult. :) | 20:45 |
| ScottK | Well they both probably have their points. | 20:45 |
| tedg | Yes, but you'd have to admit there is a certain amount of irony there. | 20:46 |
| ScottK | OTOH, I'm still waiting to find out which update broke cody-somerville's friend's box | 20:46 |
| ScottK | Totally | 20:46 |
| cody-somerville | ScottK, I have no idea. I'm in Ontario and they're in New Brunswick | 20:46 |
| cody-somerville | ScottK, they can't even boot their machine | 20:46 |
| elmo | cody-somerville: surely they can use an older kernel? | 20:47 |
| elmo | like vorlon said, that's just the kind of error that comes from update-initramfs being killed or breaking | 20:47 |
| elmo | last time I saw it, a user had closed the upgrade window mid-run | 20:47 |
| cody-somerville | elmo, Yes, I was going to give those directions but unfortunately the power is out now for her | 20:48 |
| cody-somerville | (yea winter!) | 20:48 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: I find it pretty hard to figure out which update breaks things | 20:48 |
| LaserJock | if you're getting ~20 packages/update and you don't notice the breakage right away it's hard to pin down | 20:49 |
| slangasek | elmo: hrm, our kernel postinsts should be robust against a mid-upgrade abort | 20:49 |
| LaserJock | you know, I think I had one of those the other day | 20:50 |
| slangasek | ("should" in both the "damn well oughta be" and "I believe they're designed correctly" senses) | 20:50 |
| LaserJock | I was upgrading and my computer froze at updating the initramfs | 20:51 |
| LaserJock | but I was able to reboot ok, and running dpkg --configure -a got everything in shape | 20:51 |
| elmo | slangasek: unfortunately, I wasn't there to witness what they did, I only arrived in time to stop some helpful muppet from wiping their laptop as a "fix" | 20:51 |
| slangasek | in the future I will have a consultancy firm named "Helpful Muppets" | 20:55 |
| elmo | slangasek: ok, so checking my irc logs, it appears it use to be broken; keybuk claims to have fixed it, back in Feb or so | 20:57 |
| slangasek | hmm | 20:57 |
| elmo | or rather, TheMuso fixed it | 20:57 |
| slangasek | bad that it was ever broken; the root design of initramfs-tools was always correct in this matter | 20:57 |
| cjwatson | elmo: right, this was something we fixed as a hardy "feature" (i.e. err this is a scary bug let's call the fix a feature to make damn sure it gets scheduled) | 21:04 |
| calc | if you know the upstream bug number of a bug can you search for that via lp somehow to find the ubuntu bug report | 21:07 |
| calc | if they are already attached together | 21:07 |
| calc | i have a new dupe that i can't find the original bug report for | 21:07 |
| cjwatson | calc: yeah, there's a special redirect, let me look up how you get to it | 21:19 |
| cjwatson | calc: there might be a better way to do this, but one way is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers, follow the link to the bug tracker in question, and then append /BUGNUMBER to the URL | 21:23 |
| cjwatson | if the bug is linked, it'll redirect you to the LP bug; otherwise it'll 404 | 21:23 |
| calc | cjwatson: cool, thanks :) | 21:25 |
| bryce | slangasek: is archive still frozen for alpha-2, or can we start uploading post-alpha-2 stuff? | 22:01 |
| slangasek | bryce: go ahead with uploading, I'm pushing the button now | 22:01 |
| slangasek | (need to set up some kind of better pulley system to push the button for me) | 22:01 |
| cjwatson | err. did somebody NBS the armel kernel without making sure there was a new one there? | 22:07 |
| cjwatson | Please Don't Do That | 22:08 |
| cjwatson | (and if somebody could score up https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.28-3.4/+build/811335, I'd appreciate it) | 22:08 |
| cjwatson | (reason not to do it is that it means the kernel-overrides script won't be usable) | 22:09 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: possibly my fault for not thinking through the implications for armel, sorry | 22:22 |
| slangasek | rather, I appear to have assumed the NBS report's claim that the armel kernel flavors had no reverse-deps was an accurate indication of their state; do we not have a linux-meta on armel yet? | 22:23 |
| === slangasek changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: UDS: done, alpha-2 released, Archive: open, MoM running | Ubuntu 8.10 released! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | ||
| NCommander | ScottK, ping? | 22:46 |
| Caesar | slangasek: can you help out with #304907 at all? | 23:04 |
| ScottK-palm | slangasek do you mind if I add a link to the Kubuntu release notes on the testing wiki page you referenced in the announcement? | 23:06 |
| slangasek | ScottK: hmm, fail. I noticed after sending the mail that I didn't link to the release notes anywhere; you can link to them from the TechnicalOverview wiki page, and I can ask for the contents to be copied to www.u.c | 23:15 |
| slangasek | Caesar: I can start by helping to stare at it in disbelief | 23:15 |
| slangasek | Caesar: this seems to be a package version newer than hardy, older than hardy-updates? | 23:18 |
| slangasek | Caesar: hrm, still buggy, though. I'm surprised, because I remember us having to fix a bug just like this already in hardy | 23:19 |
| cr3 | what page on wiki.ubuntu.com might provide insight on how upstream project collaborate their branches with the ubuntu-core-dev team? I'm looking at the UbuntuDevelopers page and I was expecting to see somekind of link to best practices for collaboration | 23:38 |
| Hobbsee | cjwatson: rescored | 23:45 |
| cr3 | one of the questions I'm asking myself relating to collaboration is whether I should add the ubuntu-core-dev team to the trunk of my project or if I should create another branch specifically for the team. | 23:46 |
| slangasek | cr3: perfectly reasonable to let ubuntu-core-dev create its own branch which is authoritative for the Ubuntu packaging | 23:47 |
| * Hobbsee mutters something about mail as a result | 23:47 | |
| cr3 | slangasek: is there a usual naming convention or recommendation for the branch used by the ubuntu-core-dev team/ | 23:48 |
| slangasek | Caesar: actually, I can't find any record of this particular file conflict existing in the Ubuntu archive | 23:48 |
| cr3 | slangasek: and, in launchpad, should the branch be under the ubuntu project or under the upstream project? | 23:48 |
| slangasek | cr3: that would normally be created by the ubuntu-core-dev team itself | 23:48 |
| slangasek | it would be a branch associated with the upstream project | 23:48 |
| slangasek | but belonging to the ubuntu-core-dev | 23:49 |
| slangasek | group | 23:49 |
| slangasek | e.g., lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/grub/ubuntu | 23:49 |
| StevenK | And if you're not in ubuntu-core-dev, you can request a merge into that branch | 23:51 |
| cr3 | slangasek: thanks for the explanation, everything is now clear :) | 23:54 |
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