/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/12/19/#ubuntu-ops.txt

PriceChildLjL: Who was [c0re] ?00:05
Nafallojpds: any reason why ubot5 doesn't respond in -uk ? :-)00:25
PriceChildNafallo: where does it respond?00:26
Nafallothanks PriceChild :-)00:26
Nafalloehrm. not sure.00:26
PriceChildI can't get it to respond.00:27
PriceChildIts been idle some time.00:27
Nafalloat all :-/00:27
Nafallojust poked it in -irc without response00:27
Nafalloso yea. that's my little bugreport... do I need to file it elsewhere? :-)00:28
PriceChildprobably just needs restarting :(00:30
PriceChildBut alas, I have no magic button for that one.00:32
Nafallojpds: ^-- :-)00:33
=== bazhang_ is now known as bazhang
LjLPriceChild: c0re was someone i've had on highlight for a while. i don't honestly know or remember why bazhang banned him from #ubuntu, but what he said *about* bazhang in #ubuntu-offtopic was definitely more than enough to ban him there.01:36
bazhang[c0re]? ugh.01:37
tritiumGood evening.01:37
bazhangI saw he was in #freenode earlier asking for a kline01:37
LjLbazhang: yes, he went mad01:37
Picihehe01:38
LjLalthough i found it weird because another person did the same scene with me recently (going to #fn and asking to be k-lined) after i had refused to unban them01:38
PiciYou just have that effect on people.01:39
bazhangLjL, he said that? literally? 'I went mad' ?01:39
LjLbazhang: err? no01:39
LjLi'm saying that01:39
bazhangaww01:39
LjLbut damn, who was the other one01:40
LjLi don't really think they're the same person because i remember c0re being around for a while01:41
LjLbut it gets on my nerves that i can't remember it01:41
LjLoh, duh01:41
LjLjust jnelson of course01:41
LjL[03:34] <Jnelson> Can someone kline me permantly please i dont want to be part of Freenode anymore01:42
LjL[03:34] <Jnelson> and i will just be tempted to troll again01:42
LjLwho said that december 701:43
LjLc0re first appeared much earlier, so not him.01:44
pleia2jpds: I had to kill the bot again :(02:29
JaredHI Rofl.04:35
DrDerekAlbertVaginstien is the troll from earlier in Ubuntu offtopic05:37
macoin #ubuntu-offtopic there's AlbertVaginstein and he's well...first, i think "vagin" is probably meant to be inappropriate, and second, he's kinda flooding and injecting nonsense to disrupt conversation05:39
stdinDrDerek, maco: tried calling ops? may get more attention than just saying here05:42
stdinwell, they left anyway now05:42
bazhang* [AlbertVaginstein] (i=jjjh@21Cust77.tnt1.calgary.ab.da.uu.net): fuckyou06:17
bazhangperhaps two new part-timer operators in -ot are not enough ^^06:18
bazhangspree how may we help you06:30
spreeI would like to complain about the user lucent in ##ubuntu, he's doing nothing but trolling and inane babbling, and he's been told about #ubuntu-offtopic. This is a game for him.06:31
spreei'm just asking you monitor it. Thanks.06:31
bazhangspree, noted, thanks06:32
spreeok.06:32
bazhang@mark lucent repeatedly warned about offtopic #ubuntu06:35
ubottuThe operation succeeded.06:35
stdinwas there a point to that mark?06:37
bazhangyes; we have been encouraged to mark problematic individuals06:38
stdinbut, /remove already adds an entry06:38
bazhangokay I will add in bttracker06:38
stdinand you just added a 100 line log for #ubuntu-ops ;)06:38
bazhang:/06:38
bazhangI have to step out for a bit06:39
bazhangdongs merits removal?06:39
stdinhe's acting up, getting progressively worse06:40
stdinand not listening to any advice given06:40
bazhangyep, but then again lucent is back06:40
bazhang* compuman23 (n=compuman@athedsl-4542840.home.otenet.gr) has joined #ubuntu  sken's latest06:45
bazhangfryguy08:23
bazhangasked to stop with offtopic text editor chat/argument, responds by redirecting all questions to other channels, as '80% of questions are now offtopic'08:39
bazhanglengthy PM where he refuses to acknowledge that the two are not analogous08:42
bazhang:/08:42
bazhangwhy would unmuting fryguy remove the ban on greektux!*!@*.home.otenet.gr!#ubuntu-ops   as well as his own mute?09:13
bazhangikonia, you about ^^ ?09:15
ikoniayes09:18
ikoniabazhang: so what's happened you removed a mute on freeguy and it removed greektux ?09:19
bazhangmade a rather significant whoopsie09:19
ikoniasorry, not %100 following the question09:19
ikoniaooh the !09:19
bazhangikonia, yep09:19
ikoniahave you removed it ?09:19
bazhangmust have been the chanserv script I use for xchat09:19
ikoniafixed it09:20
bazhang my apologies ikonia 09:20
ikonianot at all09:20
bazhanghave to get off this darn script09:20
ikoniaapprciate the spotting09:20
ikoniaeasy to make a typo09:20
bazhangwell considering that is sken, hard to miss09:21
ikonia;)09:21
jpdspleia2: Hmm, I'll check the logs.09:22
jpdsOdd, nothing pelicular there.09:35
bazhangikonia, just to clarify 100%: I seem to have removed the redirect here for greektux!*!@*.home.otenet.gr!#ubuntu-ops09:37
ikoniano sweat09:37
bazhangk09:37
ikoniahe's not used that nick in a white so I don't see it as a big deal09:37
ikoniaI only left "catcher" forwards in place09:37
ikoniaprobably good to remove a few no longer in use09:37
bazhangwill do09:37
bazhangthe championsleague etc09:38
ikoniayup09:38
jussi01Does anyone know when chinese new year is?10:16
bazhang1/2610:17
jpds26 Jan.10:17
jpdshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_New_Year10:18
jussi01Oh, that far away. :) thats good then. :)10:18
bazhang:)10:18
jpdsActually went to Chinatown in San Fran.10:18
jussi01Its fun trying to do business cross culturally, finding out holidays etc.:)10:19
bazhanggizmo is not sure what he wants; also goes by name omzig asks random questions over last couple of days10:51
ikoniaI'm on him10:51
bazhangsmallfoot in +111:00
ikonianot taking that11:02
ikonia@bansearch smallfoot11:02
ubottuNo matches found for smallfoot!*@* in any channel11:02
elkbuntunow why does that nick have a warning siren?11:03
bazhanglongtime trouble11:03
bazhang@bansearch smallfoot-11:06
ubottuNo matches found for smallfoot-!*@* in any channel11:06
bazhangthats weird, the bt has tons of entries for him11:07
ikoniacurrent11:07
ikonia@search shows current11:07
* ikonia waits for the bot 11:07
jussi01nope11:08
jussi01@search11:08
ikonia(I did search not bansearch)11:08
jussi01search is for bot functions11:09
ikoniayup11:09
bazhangnearly 20 entries11:09
ikoniabut I was expecting the bot to say "I don't know antything about show"11:09
jussi01hehe11:09
jussi01ikonia: pm11:10
ubottuunop called the ops in #ubuntu ()11:13
ikoniaheads up in -ot11:14
ikoniaughhhhh11:14
ikoniajussi01: -ot please11:14
ikoniatopyli: LjL PriceChild nalioth jussi01 mneptok -ot please11:15
ubottugord called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (sparcio)11:15
ikoniathis is crazy11:15
ikoniado I use the irc account ljl memo'd about to resolve this ?11:15
jussi01I have no power in there yet11:15
ikoniadbo thank you11:15
bazhangme either11:15
Flannelthe new installment does already, yes?11:34
* Flannel answers his own question.11:35
ikonia@btlogin13:19
Pici-_-13:25
ikonia?13:29
ikoniaI've put a forward on a suer in #ubuntu I think is a bot13:57
ikoniait should join here shortly and start complaining about being int eh cahnnel and not getting an answer13:57
ikoniaksbalaji13:57
Picinoted.13:57
ikoniajust keeps repeating the same 2 lines over and over13:57
ikoniabang on queue13:59
ikoniaque13:59
ikonialet me guess you've been waiting in ubuntu for so long and not got an answer ?13:59
ikoniayou used to get an answer now your still here13:59
ksbalajiHi! Is this ubuntu help channel please?13:59
ikoniano14:01
Piciksbalaji: No, it is not.  You have been forwarded to the operators channel because you keep repeating the same thing over and over in #ubuntu.14:01
ikoniaas well you know14:01
ksbalajiikonia, whew! ok now I am connected.14:02
ksbalaji My friend did delete away a few unwanted fonts using adeptmanager. Having problems with SCIM, he uninstalled it. Now, his openoffice ceased to open, and ultimately ubuntu hardy does not boot beyond text prompt. Nautilus, or GDM does not work. Please advise so that I can help him14:02
ikoniaksbalaji: this is not a support channel14:02
ikoniaksbalaji: you where just repeating the same 2 lines over and over in #ubuntu therefore you have been removed from the channel and forwarded here to exaplin why ?14:03
ksbalajiOh sorry. But first I tried only my request. i seldom ask for help. I thought I was not at all connected to help channel.14:04
ikoniayou didn't think that14:04
ikoniaksbalaji: 3 people responded to you14:04
ikoniaksbalaji: you where warned 2 timws14:05
ikoniaksbalaji: you where kicked once14:05
ikoniaksbalaji: you came back and continued doing it14:05
ikoniaI also pm'd you14:05
pleia2jpds: 20965 jpds      15   0  114m  20m 4328 S  100  5.7 147:17.74 supybot14:07
ksbalajisorry again. I don't understand what went wrong. I can paste what conversation took place in ubuntu channel then. will that be of help? Now to my actual request please. Do I repeat here or elsewhere?14:07
pleia2again14:07
jpdspleia2: Evil...14:08
ikoniaksbalaji: you don't understand what went wrong ? did you keep repeating the same lines in your irc client /14:08
ksbalajiNow ikonia I am an elderly man not interested in disturbing others. Please see this if it could explain anything:  http://pastebin.com/dd41342b14:13
bazhangksbalaji, this is not support14:13
bazhangksbalaji, post your comment, then hit the forums while you wait14:13
ksbalajibazhang, seems I have been blocked from ubuntu help channel. How do I get help / connect to ubuntu help channel please?14:14
bazhangksbalaji, you were forwarded here for repeating your comments and not listening to what was said to you.14:15
Piciksbalaji: What IRC client are you using?14:16
bazhangksbalaji, you need to NOT flood the channel with repeated questions in a short time; ask once then visit the ubuntuforums while you wait for a response14:16
Picibazhang, ikonia: his logs show that he didn't see any replies from anyone.14:17
ksbalajiPici, I used /use XChat without trouble.14:17
bazhangksbalaji, do you understand what is being said to you?14:17
ksbalajiPici you got it. Now sorry if my repeats irritated the channel.14:17
Piciksbalaji: Can you check your ignore list to make sure that you aren't ignoring anyone please.14:17
bazhangPici, okay14:18
ksbalajiPici, I do not ignore anybody.14:18
ikoniaksbalaji that log is VERY odd, you can see everyone talking except me14:20
Piciksbalaji: Then you need to check your connection or use a different IRC client, because it appears to us that you are repeating your questions without heeding the replies sent to you.14:20
ikoniabut you can see me talking, but only the parts where I am not warning you to stop14:20
Piciikonia: I see you on the log.14:20
Piciikonia: er, right.14:20
ikoniaPici: few of my warning lines missing14:21
ikoniathe fact that some of the warning messages came through and he kept going is not really acceptable14:21
ksbalajiOK. I am getting out of here now to do a fresh login. Now see this I am typing about logging out and only now you post a message  - the fact that some of the warning messages came through and he kept going is not really acceptable -14:24
Picier14:25
ikonia???14:25
ksbalajiikonia, gone thru the pasetbin? satisfied? can I get some help for my friend?14:31
ikoniaksbalaji: I went thorugh the pastebin and expressed my concern14:31
ikoniaI also find it odd that you kept repeating until you where banned and forwarded to this channel, then all of a sudden you started speaking14:31
ksbalajiikonia, When one does not get a response for his requests or when the channel seems to be dead, what do you expect him to do other than what I have done? Probably you may see from your own sequence that I waited long enough after my initial request to type in whether i was logged in!14:34
ikoniaksbalaji your logs clearly show people responding to you, including myself saying "if you do not ask a quetion you will be banned" yet you kept repeating14:35
ksbalajiikonia, you are right - i find this line in my own copy. But visualize a situation when I started looking back into the conversation to see what has happened. I cannot see anything when I see back into the conversation. Then the thing starts sending messages! - I just copied what was there. Now, You know something better. Can you explaing what went wrong when the whole thing went bad? - You might have noticed that the second I saw your message, I r14:41
ksbalajiegretted my repeated requests reaching you, but not your replies.14:41
ikoniaksbalaji I appriciate you say you where having connection problems. but 3 people responded to you, I removed you from the channel once, I sent you pm's, I then warned you a final time, I then removed you and banned you, and STILL got no response, I put a forward to in here, and you all of a suddent come to life14:43
ikoniayou can't have missed all the people and my warnings, and my kicks, and the pm's14:44
ksbalajiNow, ikonia - I have not received your pm! please check up. Ofcourse, your final message reached me, only a bit late while I was taking a look back wondering what went wrong. Now, I can quit the place without getting a reply for my original request. I now only feel that urgently need to convince you about what had happend - but know not how other than asking you to go through the pastebin carefully again. http://pastebin.com/dd41342b Where I have s14:52
ksbalajitopped repeats after your final warning reached me.14:52
ikoniaksbalaji: "your bot is now banned" was a pm and not said in the channel14:55
ikoniaksbalaji: I'm not convined your logs are genuine14:55
ksbalajiI am sorry again ikonia , I have no other explanation. Only time and experience can explain to you. Do you really thing anyone not really genuine and  not getting his original requests answered will keep convincing wasting his / your time ?14:59
ikoniayou'd be surprised14:59
ikoniaksbalaji: if your logs showed nothing from me other the others I'd be more inclined to believe your intention, however as your logs clearly show me and others both asking you to ask your question and warning you you will be banned, and also shows part of my pm's to you, that you seem to show as parto f the main channels conversation does not seem right to me15:00
ikoniawhat irc client are you using ?15:00
ksbalajiNow ikonia it is XChat.- dont you feel that you keep asking this question again since I already have told about this? - This question is to let you grip things about human nature.15:03
ikoniaI didn't see what client you where using, I apologise15:04
ikoniaxchat won't paste pm's as part of the main chat as far as I'm aware, I don't know if any of the others who use xchat could confirm this15:04
Picibazhang: I had warned him previously.15:05
ksbalajinp - I am an elderly person again. Instead of arguing here, may I please get an answer for my initial question?15:05
ikoniaI'm sorry no15:05
ikoniathis channel isnot a support channel15:05
bazhangv0id yeah I saw Pici 15:06
ksbalajiikonia, don't I need you to lift the ban to go back to ubuntu help channel? - If so, I request you to let me go on to ubuntu channel15:07
ikoniaksbalaji: one moment please15:08
ikoniaksbalaji: if you give me a minute I'll lift the ban in #ubuntu for you on the condition that you pay attention to what is being said to you in the chanel and you don't keep repeating the same thing over and over again15:10
ksbalajiikonia, thanks.15:10
ikoniaksbalaji: ok, yo umay now leave here and rejoin #ubuntu15:11
ksbalajiikonia, i seldom kept repeating in ubuntu channel - I never intend to either. I insist please.15:11
ikoniayou may now leave here and rejoin #ubuntu15:11
bazhangmain channel is turning into general computer knowledge channel15:16
ikoniano it's not 15:16
ikoniaputting a stop to the windows chat now15:17
ikoniabazhang: not happy with it either15:17
bazhangmy favorite reason for discussing non-ubuntu related was 'I have an ubuntu system on my other computer'15:17
ikoniaha15:17
bazhang:)15:18
ikoniaPici: he's not asked his question yet, which considering it was urgent is a bit odd15:19
ikoniaoh wait, he has15:20
ikoniamy mistake15:20
jpdsWhat's the irssi command to list the users in a channel?15:22
Picijpds: /names15:23
jpdsAh, I was trying /nicks, /users, etc.15:23
Picijpds: Did you see the message above from pleia2?15:23
jpdsPici: Yeah, we killed the bot in the end.15:23
Picijpds: Okay, good.15:23
geniiHi all15:28
PiciHowdy :)15:28
geniiMore snow to shovel. /away15:36
ikoniagenii: how much snow do you have /15:37
geniiScrew it, it's coming down as fast as I shovel it. I'll wait a while15:49
geniiikonia: Right now about 6 inches. The area I have to keep clear is about 10 feet by 150 feet15:50
ikoniawow15:50
Mezjpds: what do you mean by "that code looks familiar"15:57
* genii hands Myrtti a coffee16:01
MyrttiO HAI16:03
nickspoonHey Myrtti :)16:04
* Myrtti huggles nickspoon, topyli16:06
* nickspoon huggles Myrtti16:06
Myrttianything in the news that I haven't heard of?16:08
Myrttiyes, no, perhaps, youdontwanttoknow, here's a lollipop, AARRRGGH?16:10
* genii reads the "AARRRGGH" newsfeed, it sounds intriguing....16:10
PiciMyrtti: Welcome back!16:12
Myrttistatus report on -ot, is it still a mad house?16:12
nickspoonAs mad as ever :D16:12
PiciMyrtti: How was your hiatus?16:12
Myrtti Pici: if I were back, I'd be using irssi instead of xchat16:13
Myrttiand I'd be on a lot more channels too16:13
PiciMyrtti: Okay, I won't tell :P16:14
MyrttiPici, I just came in to check if there's bans or anything that need my attention16:16
Myrtti@login16:16
ubottuThe operation succeeded.16:16
Myrttiurhm.16:16
PiciMyrtti: Nothing special going on.16:17
Myrttiexcellent16:19
Myrttiin my absence you're free to take off any bans that seem to have served their purpose :-) but you knew that already16:20
PiciIndeedy16:20
Myrttijust making sure :-)16:21
Myrttihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfReGE5VNDM&fmt=18 lol16:24
Myrttianyway, I just bought a stereo A2DP headset, so I'm off to knitting Christmas presents and lounging listening to music. Take care kids.16:33
Picio16:33
Picibye16:33
ikoniaI'm getting tired of fde he wants to pick holes in everythig for no reason to the detriment of users18:03
ikoniagetting quite frustrating18:03
jussi01PriceChild: elkbuntu, boredandblogging, nalioth, please check email. :)18:06
jussi01 Oh for petes sake! My wife just washed both my N95 AND my ipod touch :/20:18
Picijussi01: ouch.20:27
Garyjussi01: insured?20:30
jussi01Gary: nope20:31
Garynot even via home & contents?20:32
jussi01gary, thing is they were both owned by the company..20:32
jussi01Gary: I rent. no contents insurance20:32
Garyoh, ouch20:33
jussi01so Im hoping they were insured20:33
Garyhope the company are nice (and insured)20:33
GaryI know my work kit is all either insured or the co replace at no issue20:33
jussi01Im pretty sure they are insured.20:34
jussi01Im just hoping they work when they dry out20:40
GaryI know the touch has a water sensor inside20:53
Garyand I think nokia will have fitted one too20:53
hischildthe !newusers factoid gives info for new users, but would it be possible to have it linked to !new as well?21:01
jussi01!new21:02
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about new21:02
jussi01!newusers21:02
ubottudocumentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com21:02
jussi01!new is <alias>newusers21:02
ubottuI'll remember that, jussi0121:02
jussi01!new21:02
jussi01!new21:03
jussi01silly bot21:03
jussi01it works, thanks hischild21:03
hischildthank you jussi01 21:03
hischildjussi01, you have time for something else?21:03
jussi01hischild: ask!21:03
hischildfryguy and someone else were talking about comparing windows and ubuntu with each other. From my understand, that is offtopic for #ubuntu as it is not a support question. I asked them to take that discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic, after which fryguy pm'd me. 21:04
jussi01right. and then?21:05
hischildhe told me that if i'm the administrator of a channel i always have to take PM's and started to talk in such a way it was not a conversation anymore. I told him to take it to offtopic, after which he said he wouldn't do that, would take it back to the main channel and ignore me. 21:05
hischildWas i correct in my actions?21:05
hischildI have the logfiles of the PM conv, which i can send to you should you wish to. 21:07
jussi01from what youve just told me it sounds fine, although a quick word in here would probably be a good idea. Be gentle with your words and refer him to an op if it gets out of hand. 21:07
hischildhe has ignored me most likely, so i can't refer him to here. The conversation in PM was 6 lines, 4 of which here his. 21:08
jussi01hischild: there comes a point with some users where you need to take their abuse and just ignore the fact they are rude, and treat them with politeness regardless of how they act. 21:09
hischildThat is true indeed. I just wish to know if my actions were right in this case and get advice on how to treat a situation like this better the next time it occurs. 21:11
jussi01hischild: you sound fine, just have to remember some people forget how to be polite on occaision.21:12
jussi01anyways, I got to run. Talk later21:12
hischildwill do. Tnx21:12
ikoniajussi01: I'll speak to fryguy, he's been a bit of an on-off problem all day and I've had words with him, so I'll pick it up with him 21:14
jussi01ikonia: back now, thanks. :)21:19
hischildYeah i'm back again. Could someone please tell me if it's just me, or if fryguy is just being an ass towards me? Telling someone who is new to ubuntu to screw around in their /etc/fstab seems rather ... unconventional to say the least. 21:22
ikoniahischild: I'm talking to him21:22
hischildikonia, thank you. 21:23
ikoniaits fine to offer him to edit fstab, however if the user is not confident you've got to take responsability to guide him through it21:23
ikoniahischild: but i appriciate his tone is a bit agressive and I'm talking to him about it, so please ignore it21:23
hischildI understand and I will. Thanks ikonia.21:24
hischildAlso, this is the right channel to come to with these issues, or should i go to a different channel?21:26
ikoniaany concerns like that, this is the right place21:28
hischildAnd i am still supposed to leave this channel? I seem to be joining and leaving quite a bit. 21:29
ikoniaplease21:30
hischildvery well21:30
* hischild waves you all a happy morning/afternoon/evening/goodnight (make your choice) and the best of luck and all that. 21:30
ubottuompaul called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (anti_freezenode can someone turn this mibbit user off please)22:00
ikoniaI can't do anything ?22:01
ikoniaanyone else awake 22:01
ikoniaahh t was22:01
ikonialurking22:01
* genii staggers in with a snowshovel and pours a round of coffees22:04
ikoniagenii: one of these days I'll sample your coffee22:05
geniiikonia: Always a nice strong blend but never bitter :)22:05
geniiBy my rough calcs I've moved 4,500 square feet of snow today22:07
jussi01nini all22:09
geniijussi01: Night22:09
* jussi01 waves and heads out22:09
geniiBack later. 22:16
* genii sips23:11
genii-around/ping genii23:30
genii-aroundbah23:30
* genii sips23:55
geniiGhosted. I wanted to blame Quassel but it turned out to be my internal wifi card cutting out.23:56

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