[00:01] <hads> And openntpd is packaged by the way.
[00:02] <infinity> hads: Yes, and it's the ancient version from 2 years ago.
[00:02] <hads> Sure
[00:02] <infinity> hads: That doesn't qualify as "maintained" to me.
[00:02] <hads> Yes, but you included packaged in your list :)
[00:03] <infinity> hads: Given that the upstream codebase has seen COUNTLESS releases in those years.  (it's not like it's "finished" or anything)
[00:03] <hads> I'm not arguing that it's a better solution, it is simple though.
[00:04] <infinity> Fine, I take back the "packaged" thing, the pedantry wins.  Still, it's unmaintained and unsupported upstream, both bad things for a network service, IMO.
[00:04] <hads> Fine, I'll be quiet now.
[00:04] <Mal3ko> does NTP take care of time syncro. automatically? or we need to sync the time manually with the command?
[00:05] <infinity> Mal3ko: ntp daemons (like ntp, or openntpd) do it automagically, yes.
[00:05] <jmedina> Mal3ko: using the ntpd daemon, yes
[00:05] <Mal3ko> ntp package is included with ntpd?
[00:05] <infinity> Mal3ko: Both will refuse (for good reason) to skew the clock TOO far, which is why you usually have something like ntpdate (installed by default) running on boot to make sure the clock is "close enough", then the ntp daemon takes over and keeps it perfectly in sync.
[00:05] <jmedina> ntpdate is for on demand sync, and should not be running ntpd when you use ntpdate, what is why ntpdate runs at boot time, after network is up, and before ntpd is launched
[00:06] <LoveGuru> ScottK: apparmor is gui or cli? its looklike GUI interface. i don't have X server so still i can configure it?
[00:07] <jmedina> LoveGuru: you configure it as any other unix program, using text files
[00:07] <jmedina> gui and cli are extras
[00:08] <LoveGuru> jmedina: is there any tutorial would be great ? howto*
[00:09] <jmedina> LoveGuru: google for "ubunt apparmor"
[00:09] <jmedina> "ubuntu apparmor"
[00:10] <LoveGuru> alright
[00:10] <LoveGuru> well i did.. nothing found :)
[00:10] <LoveGuru> thats why i asked.
[00:10] <LoveGuru> well oikie let me check again
[00:10] <jmedina> and of course the novell/suse documentation
[00:11] <jmedina> nothing found?
[00:11] <jmedina> the two fist matches are from ubuntu
[00:11] <jmedina> unless you are using another language
[00:12] <LoveGuru> ahh well i m looking like Ubuntu*Server*apparmor
[00:12] <LoveGuru> :S
[00:12] <jmedina> too long
[00:13] <LoveGuru> ya
[00:26] <Mal3ko> are there particular network tweaks i could do to optimize server connecttion?
[00:29] <helfire> anyone played with aws?
[00:31] <jmedina> maltepalte: connection to what?
[00:31] <jmedina> that was for mal3ko, but he left
[00:34] <luis__> hola nesecito un manual de instalacion en español de ubuntuserver 8.10
[00:34] <Deeps> http://doc.ubuntu-es.org/Documentaci%C3%B3n
[00:35] <Deeps> www.ubuntu-es.org
[00:35] <Deeps> #ubuntu-es
[00:35] <luis__> gracias Deeps
[00:35] <Deeps> d nada
[00:37] <Mal3ko> are there particular network tweaks i could do to optimize server connecttion?
[00:37] <Deeps> in what way?
[00:37] <Mal3ko> latency maybe
[00:38] <Mal3ko> im hosting game servers here
[00:38] <Deeps> latency? get a better line
[00:38] <Deeps> in-game ping time? get a better server (faster cpu, more ram, faster disks, better gpu in some cases too bizarrely)
[00:38] <Deeps> otherwise most optimizations will be in the gameserver's configuration
[00:38] <hads> Weird
[00:39] <Deeps> i forget which game it was, maybe moh:aa that required a top end gfx card on the server
[00:39] <Deeps> or one of the CoD games
[00:39] <Deeps> was weird
[00:40] <Deeps> i know all the source games have loads of networking tweaks that are done in the server.cfg
[00:40] <Deeps> (source games being valve engine based)
[00:40]  * hads knows nothing about games
[00:40] <Mal3ko> server's connection should not be a problem since it's on 100mbps line.
[00:41] <jmedina> you can increase using bonding
[00:41] <jmedina> put 2 network cards and aggregate the bandwith
[00:41] <Deeps> latency and linespeed aren't directly connected
[00:41] <jmedina> or more, like 4 cards you get 400mbps
[00:41] <jmedina> :D
[00:42] <hads> It would also depend what else is on that 100mb line.
[00:42] <Deeps> i have a server on 10mbit i can ping at 2ms, and a server on 100mbit that i ping at 80ms
[00:42] <Deeps> the 10mbit server's in the same building, the 100mbit server's in another country
[00:42] <Mal3ko> Deeps: how do i check if hard disk having problem to cope with those game servers?
[00:42] <Deeps> iostat
[00:42] <Mal3ko> then look for what details..
[00:42] <Deeps> watch the output on there while your gameserver's being utilised
[00:43] <hads> iotop is kind of neat too
[00:43] <Deeps> if there's much iowait
[00:48] <Mal3ko> thanks..
[00:52] <jmedina> or you can use simple top
[00:52] <jmedina> look for the "wa"
[00:52] <jmedina> the details using iostat, I dont know about iotop
[00:55] <Mal3ko> it's currently 0.1%wa
[00:56] <Mal3ko> so which value means it's not doing good?
[00:56] <Mal3ko> >1.00?
[00:56] <jmedina> :O, iotop looks good
[01:03] <lukehasnoname> Are meeting minutes up for the 12/16 meeting?
[01:08] <luis__> jmedina estoy instalando un server para aprender me pide que paquetes quiero instalar cual me aconcejas
[01:09] <luis__> soy nuevo
[01:09] <luis__> EN ESTO
[01:09] <luis__> en esto
[01:11] <luis__> jmedina puede ser esto solo OpenSSH server?
[01:13] <Deeps> luis__: ingles aqui, espaniol en #ubuntu-es
[01:14] <luis__> ok
[01:50] <axisys> how do I install ubuntu using a ftp server?
[03:31] <Mal3ko> Deeps
[03:31] <Mal3ko> "If you have a high percentage of CPU time idle while it’s waiting on disk I/O, that’s a good indicator that you have an I/O bottleneck"
[03:31] <Mal3ko> what does that means?
[03:31] <Mal3ko> http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:vVkt8GBfJqAJ:www.linux-mag.com/id/2001+iostat&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=20&gl=my&client=firefox-a
[03:33] <hads> Umm, pretty much what it says.
[03:33] <Mal3ko> yeh but i dont understand "..while it’s waiting on disk I/O"
[03:34] <Mal3ko> could you give some examples of bad iostats reading?
[03:38] <hads> I'm not overly familiar with iostat myself so not off the top of my head no.
[03:49] <Mal3ko> hmm
[04:18] <ball> Is Ubuntu Server a sensible choice for compute nodes in a cluster?
[04:20] <Deeps> Mal3ko: not to be rude, but the output of iostat is largely self explanitory. only tip necessary is it's best run as `iostat 1`; the rest is covered more concisely in `man iostat`
[05:06] <axisys> i just installed lamp.. how to do I switch apache to https?
[05:06] <axisys> is there a apt-get way to do it.. or do I have to do it old style
[05:07] <axisys> use openssl to create a cert and then point to the cert.. change port to 443.. all those details
[05:35] <axisys> how do I get /lib/cpp ? I am failing to make an app
[05:36] <axisys> is it part of some build essential?
[05:36] <axisys> i search for build in apt-cache.. too many hits
[05:37] <axisys> build-essential !! found it
[05:54] <miguel1234> alguien que hable español?
[06:04] <ScottK> Try #ubuntu-es
[06:14] <axisys> i am just using stunnel -> apache2 .. easier that way I think
[08:13] <miguel1234> helpme all spammmmmmmmmmm
[08:13] <miguel1234> X_X
[08:19] <tjaalton> soren: mind if I upload a new multipath-tools to fix bugs 306723 and 307032?
[09:46] <qwyeth> Hello all; I'm running Ubuntu server 8.10 and I have some remote users.  I would like to force them to change password on login.  I have done this using chage -d 0 <user>, and it works when logging in locally, however when ssh'ing in to the user with expired password, it announces that the password must be changed immediately, but then drops the connection.  I have extensively googled the problem and read man pages for chage, sshd, 
[09:50] <qwyeth> ?
[14:13] <AlexC_> g'morning Earthlings
[14:17] <AlexC_> got a DNS issue with a domain, the MX records are not changing (from what I can see) and was wondering if someone could help poke it to find out what the issue is. The domain name is 'nandemofoto.com' and the MX records should be 'smtp.secureserver.net' and 'mailstore1.secureserver.net'
[14:18] <AlexC_> they were changed a few days ago, yet no change. I'm having to do this through Plesk (not my choice) and can't get at the bind files manually
[14:19] <ScottK> AlexC_: How is the related to Ubuntu Server (I'm not clear on that)?
[14:20] <AlexC_> ScottK, I've normally come in here for general server help, no one has ever had any issues
[14:20] <ScottK> OK.  If there's an Ubuntu server in there somewhere, I'm sure it's fine.
[14:21] <AlexC_> yes, it's running on it =)
[14:21] <ScottK> In this particular case, I suspect you need to bitch at 1and1 to get it fixed.
[16:31] <Psi-Jack> Here's a curious question. Is NetworkManager, even wise, to use on a server box, even if it's just a testbed development server running X11?
[16:38] <sommer> Psi-Jack: wouldn't think you'd have any issues
[16:38]  * Psi-Jack nods.
[16:38] <Psi-Jack> I wouldn't either, but curiously, NetworkManager doesn't seem to "reload" or at least restart servers when networks come offline and go online.
[16:38] <Psi-Jack> Which would be.. Kinda useful. ;)
[16:53] <bshak1> I have my server set up with Apache and www.dyndns.com.  My site works internally as well as on external networks.  However, when I use www or http in front of the site name, it won't load.  What is wrong and how do I fix it?
[17:25] <thefish> bshak1: you probably need to add a "www" host record (or A record) for it
[17:26] <ScottK> Or even a cname.
[17:27] <thefish> or a cname even better :)
[17:52] <sysdoc> Hey guys, does anyone know if there is a package that is similar to cpanel on sourceforge or elsewhere, that plays well with ubuntu?
[17:54] <Deeps> !ebox | sysdoc
[17:54] <jmedina> sysdoc: gplhost
[17:54] <Deeps> that maybe?
[17:55] <jmedina> I like gpl host for web hosting, it manages partners y domain accounts, with 3 privileges level,
[17:55] <jmedina> it has not all the features as cpanel, but it works
[17:55] <Deeps> sounds good
[17:55] <Deeps> and open sauce! can add features if necessary
[17:55] <jmedina> and gplhost works good with debian, dont remember if they releases a repository for ubuntu, but should workd
[17:55] <jmedina> Deeps: yeap and xen compatible
[17:55] <jmedina> XD
[17:56] <jmedina> in fact the software is called DTC
[17:56] <Deeps> ah safe, they're using it in production too
[17:56] <Deeps> threw me at first when i hit gplhost.com
[17:57] <jmedina> I already use it in produccion for customer hosting
[18:10] <sysdoc> Deeps, thanks
[18:10] <sysdoc> jmedina, thanks
[18:10] <sysdoc> Appreciate the input guys..
[18:17] <Deeps> jmedina: i meant that they (The devs) are, means it's gonna be better supported as they too have real clients with real needs
[20:20] <nemoego> When setting up bind9, authoritative zones work as expected, but the server is not recursing with default . zone settings.  Dig returns status: SERVFAIL  Any Ideas?
[20:35] <jmedina> nemoego: bind 9 doesnt need the "." zone anymore, it is hard coded
[20:39] <nemoego> jmedina: k, i'll try that
[20:39] <nemoego> jmedina: still getting servfail
[20:40] <jmedina> nemoego: are you the same from yesterday?
[20:41] <nemoego> yep, it's me.  I got authoritative zones working, still having trouble with recursion
[20:42] <jmedina> nemoego: did you modified something in named.conf.options?
[20:44] <nemoego> i added addresses for forwarders
[20:44] <jmedina> nemoego: do you have apparmor enabled?
[20:45] <nemoego> is it enabled by default?
[20:49] <jmedina> nemoego: dont remember
[20:50] <nemoego> stopped apparmor, sno change
[20:50] <nemoego> *no
[20:52] <jmedina> did you restart bind9?
[20:53] <nemoego> yeha
[20:53] <jmedina> can you pastebin your configs?
[20:53] <jmedina> without comments
[20:53] <jmedina> what about named-checkconf?
[20:58] <nemoego> is named-checkconf supposed to give me some useful output?
[21:04] <nemoego> http://pastebin.com/m42f14d92
[21:30] <nemoego> jmedina: installation of package resolvconf fixed problem, thanks for the help
[22:26] <tonyyarusso> I'm looking for a way to store my address book and task list on a central server, such that Evolution will be in sync all the time on multiple machines.  Is LDAP the appropriate solution for this?