| Ahmuck | hugin is a pano stitcher | 00:06 |
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| Ahmuck | RichEd: | 00:06 |
| nubae | anyone here? | 03:26 |
| nubae | LaserJock: ??? | 03:31 |
| LaserJock | nubae: yep? | 03:39 |
| nubae | ah just checking... :-) but wanted to quickly touch base vis a vis sugar... should I include it in the apps? | 03:45 |
| nubae | for edubuntu | 03:45 |
| nubae | the website | 03:45 |
| LaserJock | no | 03:46 |
| nubae | cool, so u think it will be after Jaunty? | 03:46 |
| LaserJock | I'd like to see it *for* Jaunty | 03:47 |
| nubae | still requires many bug fixes I believe, but would be nice for sure | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | but since it's not in I don't think it's a good idea to put it on a list | 03:47 |
| nubae | btw, I wrote an article about collaboration on gnome/ubuntu: http://nubae.com/telepathy-empathy-and-collaboration | 03:49 |
| LaserJock | nubae: do you have app lists for hardy and intrepid? | 03:54 |
| nubae | just intrepid I believe | 03:55 |
| nubae | is it different from hardy? | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | yes | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | nubae: is the intrepid list up on edubuntu.org? | 03:57 |
| nubae | not yet... almost finished | 03:57 |
| nubae | I'm using the spreadsheet riched gave me | 03:57 |
| LaserJock | I'm not trying to rush ya, just wondered ;-) | 03:57 |
| nubae | its just html at the moment, no database | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | no problem | 04:01 |
| Ahmuck | nubae: i'm glad ur here | 04:19 |
| Ahmuck | nubae: no blender | 04:19 |
| Ahmuck | http://ultrastardx.sourceforge.net/about-ultrastar-deluxe/ - singing | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | nubae: just got done reading through your telepathy post | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | nubae: looking at your screenshot of empathy, it does look much improved since I last tried it | 06:02 |
| Ahmuck | lpairs is an interesting childs memory game | 07:23 |
| neil_d | I found this cute computer http://www.norhtec.com/products/mcjrsx/index.html it has a CPU without a floating point unit, can I use it as a LTSP terminal ?\ | 11:59 |
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| Ahmuck | looking at fat clients, possible to boot from wireless and use the fat client via wireless? | 16:12 |
| nubae | hey Ahmuck, am back now | 16:53 |
| nubae | I live in Austria, so times are slightly different for me :-) | 16:53 |
| Ahmuck | yes, i wondered about that | 16:55 |
| Ahmuck | i'm back as well | 16:55 |
| nubae | Ahmuck: I'm working on just that... since ltsp cannot normally do wireless due to bandwidth restrictions, fatclient is perfect for it | 16:55 |
| Ahmuck | so, it does not appear i have fat clients yet. should i just re-run the script? | 16:55 |
| Ahmuck | nubae: u have a wireless fatclient? | 16:55 |
| nubae | well lets analyse the problem first... pastebin me your /etc/inetd.conf | 16:57 |
| nubae | and your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 16:57 |
| nubae | I'm working on wireless fat client, don't have it yet | 16:57 |
| Ahmuck | k, brb | 16:58 |
| Ahmuck | whats holding up the wirless fat client? | 16:59 |
| nubae | time :-) | 16:59 |
| Ahmuck | i was just thinking one could turn just about any wireless laptop into a fat client so it wouldn't matter what os the client had installed | 17:00 |
| Ahmuck | er, just got to thinking after what you said | 17:00 |
| nubae | right, the idea though for wireless is that it has the most minimal kernel for booting up the wireless drivers and then connect to the dhcp server | 17:01 |
| nubae | to download the rest to memory | 17:02 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | ltsp is a powerful concept that i think could be expanded further with software addons by default | 17:10 |
| nubae | software addons? | 17:11 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | http://pastebin.be/15560 | 17:11 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | http://pastebin.be/15561 | 17:12 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | \o/ two in a row, 15560 n 15561 | 17:13 |
| nubae | oh and your fatclient pxe config file | 17:13 |
| nubae | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/fati386/pxelinux.cfg/default | 17:13 |
| nubae | the error is probably in there, needs to be set to port 2001 | 17:14 |
| nubae | otherwise indeed it just loads up your regular thin client | 17:14 |
| nubae | Ahmuck, your server has ip address 192.168.0.1? | 17:17 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | http://pastebin.be/15562 | 17:17 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | the server is default | 17:17 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | until i can get this nailed down | 17:17 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | i'm still testing though the thin client side is working | 17:17 |
| nubae | ok, theres your problem | 17:18 |
| nubae | u need nbdport 2001 at the end of your default | 17:19 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | k, i assume that was missing from your script or didn't complete ? | 17:20 |
| nubae | well, we manually copied the whole /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 dir over | 17:21 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | i think we still have a problem, no blender | 17:22 |
| nubae | hrmmm... yeah looking at my own setup, one doesnt seem to need the nbdport def in default anymore... | 17:23 |
| nubae | ok, just delete /opt/ltsp/fati386 and redo the image | 17:23 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | so, copy the new script, and then rebuild the image? | 17:24 |
| nubae | yeah, just to be sure, download the script from my site again | 17:25 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | er, did you remove the script link ? | 17:26 |
| nubae | no, just the hardy one... | 17:27 |
| nubae | let me look :-) | 17:28 |
| * Ahmuck-Jr can't find the intrepid one either | 17:28 | |
| nubae | oops | 17:29 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | :) | 17:29 |
| Ahmuck | so is ltsp currently the only way to get centralized login, storage, etc. for students? | 17:32 |
| Ahmuck | on linux | 17:32 |
| nubae | ok, check now | 17:32 |
| nubae | more or less yes, one can also use drbl, and various commercial solutions | 17:32 |
| nubae | but LTSP is by far the best and most vibrant solution | 17:33 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/ubuntu/030-fatclient !== /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/(U)buntu/030-fatclient | 17:39 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | nubae: k, building | 17:43 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | catch the syntax error i noted for ubuntu/Ubuntu on the blog entry? | 17:43 |
| nubae | think so, did I? | 17:44 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | it's baaack :) | 17:44 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | It has been fully tested on Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex. Instructions are to save the corresponding file to /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/ubuntu/030-fatclient | 17:44 |
| nubae | changed, thanks... | 17:45 |
| Ahmuck | managed ltsp servers, with load balancing ? would this have to be done with every one? | 17:49 |
| nubae | not sure what u mean | 17:50 |
| Ahmuck | isn't there a way to have multiple ltsp servers and they hand leases off to clients as they get them? | 17:50 |
| * Ahmuck digs around in my logs | 17:51 | |
| nubae | ltsp-cluster | 17:51 |
| nubae | u mean | 17:51 |
| Ahmuck | yes | 17:53 |
| Ahmuck | i'm still learning the ltsp terms and etc. | 17:53 |
| nubae | greets LaserJock | 19:17 |
| LaserJock | hi nubae | 19:36 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | nubae: http://pastebin.be/15567 | 20:37 |
| Ahmuck | nubae: it appears that worked. it's working now, i know because i now have a edubuntu login screen | 20:49 |
| Ahmuck | oh yikes, erk, erm. that replaced the entire ubuntu desktop with edubuntu desktop, applications, menu's, and all | 20:52 |
| nubae | rihgt | 20:57 |
| nubae | right | 20:57 |
| nubae | so u have blender? | 20:57 |
| Ahmuck | yes, i now have fat clients. but i've lost my customized menus, and the webpage opens up to say welcome to edubuntu 8.04 | 21:04 |
| Ahmuck | this is a good thing. | 21:04 |
| Ahmuck | i'd like to post your blog post as part of documentation i'm going to do on step by step ltsp setup with screenshots and all | 21:04 |
| Ahmuck | if you'll let me. i do have some other questions | 21:04 |
| nubae | awsome... | 21:05 |
| nubae | ask away | 21:05 |
| Ahmuck | i learn by theory first and then by syntax | 21:05 |
| Ahmuck | so, i somewhat interested in the theory of how this works. but for another day | 21:05 |
| nubae | I'm here now so any questions I can answer | 21:06 |
| Ahmuck | secondly, i noticed you have "packaged" applications in your script. i assume that the script could be customized to create a set of applications and without replacing the menus? | 21:06 |
| nubae | absolutely | 21:06 |
| Ahmuck | i need to look over your script, and then layout the how and why this works | 21:07 |
| Ahmuck | as i believe in education as well as why it works. | 21:07 |
| nubae | its really quite simple, I took the existing thin client script and adapted it to install the apps we want, there are some basic requierd apps, and then the rest is cutomised to how u want it | 21:08 |
| Ahmuck | something i noticed is that you used the edubuntu icon set and theme. i would assume i could pull this from edubuntu itself as an icon set and theme and then do similar to what kde does and just apply it as a theme, therefor creating a set of "canned" themes students could choose from | 21:09 |
| nubae | I've also use it do adapt to creating a xubuntu desktop and a kubuntu desktop | 21:09 |
| Ahmuck | ah, ok. that sounds interesting | 21:09 |
| Ahmuck | do you have sepearte scripts for xubuntu and kubuntu? | 21:10 |
| nubae | well its pretty simple, as a base. pull in xubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop | 21:10 |
| nubae | and then layer on top | 21:10 |
| Ahmuck | so i assume that your fat client has a customized menu? | 21:13 |
| Ahmuck | is that "local apps" ? | 21:13 |
| nubae | nope | 21:13 |
| * Ahmuck is still confused about the "local apps" thingy | 21:13 | |
| nubae | this was before localapps, its just what u put into the package list | 21:13 |
| nubae | local apps is regular thin clients with one or two apps running on the fat client | 21:14 |
| nubae | fatclient is everything running on the client | 21:14 |
| Ahmuck | ah, ok | 21:14 |
| nubae | there are advantages and disatvantages on both sides, though I believe fatclient is much more cutomisable | 21:15 |
| Ahmuck | so if you have a fat client why would you need a local app unless your running mixed clients ? | 21:15 |
| nubae | u dont | 21:15 |
| Ahmuck | so the local app applies only to the thin client | 21:15 |
| nubae | right | 21:15 |
| Ahmuck | and the fat client gets a fully loaded local app menu | 21:15 |
| Ahmuck | *blink* *blink*, a light bulb comes on | 21:15 |
| Ahmuck | floresant of course to save power | 21:16 |
| Ahmuck | so now i need to start looking at sugar, course management, etc. | 21:17 |
| Ahmuck | the foundations done, now i need the walls | 21:17 |
| Ahmuck | and then the roof and all the nice apps for the furniture | 21:17 |
| Ahmuck | is there a way for ltsp to query a thin client every 30 boots and set the hardware specs for that client and then lockout certian desktops? | 21:18 |
| nubae | italc | 21:30 |
| nubae | but its not time based | 21:30 |
| nubae | its manual | 21:30 |
| Ahmuck | it's doesn't do it automagially by client hardware specs either i don't suppose | 21:37 |
| nubae | give me a use case scenario | 21:38 |
| Ahmuck | bring in 3 new pc's or deploy a new ltsp server to usd xx in the county school district, the server starts, peeks at the config of the pc's connecting, builds a profile of each one and sets thin/thick clients in the dhcpd.conf based on mac address and specs | 21:44 |
| Ahmuck | or a gui to do so. | 21:44 |
| Ahmuck | like a spec, with a green icon for fat client and an option to check | 21:44 |
| Ahmuck | k, anyhow, i'm getting ahead of myself | 21:44 |
| Ahmuck | the school distircit here is on citrix, which i understand is a real pain to get around in | 21:45 |
| nubae | well citrix is the microsoft ltsp solution | 22:05 |
| nubae | though it sucks | 22:05 |
| Ahmuck | lol, did not realize that | 22:08 |
| Ahmuck | it uses ltsp ? | 22:08 |
| Ahmuck | really? | 22:08 |
| nubae | no | 22:08 |
| Ahmuck | the thin clients are already there, the network is already there | 22:08 |
| nubae | just seems like it :-) | 22:08 |
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