[00:06] <Ahmuck> hugin is a pano stitcher
[00:06] <Ahmuck> RichEd:
[03:26] <nubae> anyone here?
[03:31] <nubae> LaserJock: ???
[03:39] <LaserJock> nubae: yep?
[03:45] <nubae> ah just checking... :-) but wanted to quickly touch base vis a vis sugar... should I include it in the apps?
[03:45] <nubae> for edubuntu
[03:45] <nubae> the website
[03:46] <LaserJock> no
[03:46] <nubae> cool, so u think it will be after Jaunty?
[03:47] <LaserJock> I'd like to see it *for* Jaunty
[03:47] <nubae> still requires many bug fixes I believe, but would be nice for sure
[03:47] <LaserJock> but since it's not in I don't think it's a good idea to put it on a list
[03:49] <nubae> btw, I wrote an article about collaboration on gnome/ubuntu: http://nubae.com/telepathy-empathy-and-collaboration
[03:54] <LaserJock> nubae: do you have app lists for hardy and intrepid?
[03:55] <nubae> just intrepid I believe
[03:56] <nubae> is it different from hardy?
[03:56] <LaserJock> yes
[03:57] <LaserJock> nubae: is the intrepid list up on edubuntu.org?
[03:57] <nubae> not yet... almost finished
[03:57] <nubae> I'm using the spreadsheet riched gave me
[03:57] <LaserJock> I'm not trying to rush ya, just wondered ;-)
[04:00] <nubae> its just html at the moment, no database
[04:01] <LaserJock> no problem
[04:19] <Ahmuck> nubae: i'm glad ur here
[04:19] <Ahmuck> nubae: no blender
[04:48] <Ahmuck> http://ultrastardx.sourceforge.net/about-ultrastar-deluxe/ - singing
[06:02] <LaserJock> nubae: just got done reading through your telepathy post
[06:02] <LaserJock> nubae: looking at your screenshot of empathy, it does look much improved since I last tried it
[07:23] <Ahmuck> lpairs is an interesting childs memory game
[11:59] <neil_d> I found this cute computer http://www.norhtec.com/products/mcjrsx/index.html it has a CPU without a floating point unit,  can I use it as a LTSP terminal ?\
[16:12] <Ahmuck> looking at fat clients, possible to boot from wireless and use the fat client via wireless?
[16:53] <nubae> hey Ahmuck, am back now
[16:53] <nubae> I live in Austria, so times are slightly different for me :-)
[16:55] <Ahmuck> yes, i wondered about that
[16:55] <Ahmuck> i'm back as well
[16:55] <nubae> Ahmuck: I'm working on just that... since ltsp cannot normally do wireless due to bandwidth restrictions, fatclient is perfect for it
[16:55] <Ahmuck> so, it does not appear i have fat clients yet.  should i just re-run the script?
[16:55] <Ahmuck> nubae: u have a wireless fatclient?
[16:57] <nubae> well lets analyse the problem first... pastebin me your /etc/inetd.conf
[16:57] <nubae> and your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[16:57] <nubae> I'm working on wireless fat client, don't have it yet
[16:58] <Ahmuck> k, brb
[16:59] <Ahmuck> whats holding up the wirless fat client?
[16:59] <nubae> time :-)
[17:00] <Ahmuck> i was just thinking one could turn just about any wireless laptop into a fat client so it wouldn't matter what os the client had installed
[17:00] <Ahmuck> er, just got to thinking after what you said
[17:01] <nubae> right, the idea though for wireless is that it has the most minimal kernel for booting up the wireless drivers and then connect to the dhcp server
[17:02] <nubae> to download the rest to memory
[17:10] <Ahmuck-Jr> ltsp is a powerful concept that i think could be expanded further with software addons by default
[17:11] <nubae> software addons?
[17:11] <Ahmuck-Jr> http://pastebin.be/15560
[17:12] <Ahmuck-Jr> http://pastebin.be/15561
[17:13] <Ahmuck-Jr> \o/ two in a row, 15560 n 15561
[17:13] <nubae> oh and your fatclient pxe config file
[17:13] <nubae> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/fati386/pxelinux.cfg/default
[17:14] <nubae> the error is probably in there, needs to be set to port 2001
[17:14] <nubae> otherwise indeed it just loads up your regular thin client
[17:17] <nubae> Ahmuck, your server has ip address 192.168.0.1?
[17:17] <Ahmuck-Jr> http://pastebin.be/15562
[17:17] <Ahmuck-Jr> the server is default
[17:17] <Ahmuck-Jr> until i can get this nailed down
[17:17] <Ahmuck-Jr> i'm still testing though the thin client side is working
[17:18] <nubae> ok, theres your problem
[17:19] <nubae> u need nbdport 2001 at the end of your default
[17:20] <Ahmuck-Jr> k, i assume that was missing from your script or didn't complete ?
[17:21] <nubae> well, we manually copied the whole /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 dir over
[17:22] <Ahmuck-Jr> i think we still have a problem, no blender
[17:23] <nubae> hrmmm... yeah looking at my own setup, one doesnt seem to need the nbdport def in default anymore...
[17:23] <nubae> ok, just delete /opt/ltsp/fati386 and redo the image
[17:24] <Ahmuck-Jr> so, copy the new script, and then rebuild the image?
[17:25] <nubae> yeah, just to be sure, download the script from my site again
[17:26] <Ahmuck-Jr> er, did you remove the script link ?
[17:27] <nubae> no, just the hardy one...
[17:28] <nubae> let me look :-)
[17:28]  * Ahmuck-Jr can't find the intrepid one either
[17:29] <nubae> oops
[17:29] <Ahmuck-Jr> :)
[17:32] <Ahmuck> so is ltsp currently the only way to get centralized login, storage, etc. for students?
[17:32] <Ahmuck> on linux
[17:32] <nubae> ok, check now
[17:32] <nubae> more or less yes, one can also use drbl, and various commercial solutions
[17:33] <nubae> but LTSP is by far the best and most vibrant solution
[17:39] <Ahmuck-Jr>  /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/ubuntu/030-fatclient !== /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/(U)buntu/030-fatclient
[17:43] <Ahmuck-Jr> nubae: k, building
[17:43] <Ahmuck-Jr> catch the syntax error i noted for ubuntu/Ubuntu on the blog entry?
[17:44] <nubae> think so, did I?
[17:44] <Ahmuck-Jr> it's baaack :)
[17:44] <Ahmuck-Jr> It has been fully tested on Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex. Instructions are to save the corresponding file to /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/ubuntu/030-fatclient
[17:45] <nubae> changed, thanks...
[17:49] <Ahmuck> managed ltsp servers, with load balancing ?  would this have to be done with every one?
[17:50] <nubae> not sure what u mean
[17:50] <Ahmuck> isn't there a way to have multiple ltsp servers and they hand leases off to clients as they get them?
[17:51]  * Ahmuck digs around in my logs
[17:51] <nubae> ltsp-cluster
[17:51] <nubae> u mean
[17:53] <Ahmuck> yes
[17:53] <Ahmuck> i'm still learning the ltsp terms and etc.
[19:17] <nubae> greets LaserJock
[19:36] <LaserJock> hi nubae
[20:37] <Ahmuck-Jr> nubae: http://pastebin.be/15567
[20:49] <Ahmuck> nubae: it appears that worked.  it's working now, i know because i now have a edubuntu login screen
[20:52] <Ahmuck> oh yikes, erk, erm.  that replaced the entire ubuntu desktop with edubuntu desktop, applications, menu's, and all
[20:57] <nubae> rihgt
[20:57] <nubae> right
[20:57] <nubae> so u have blender?
[21:04] <Ahmuck> yes, i now have fat clients.  but i've lost my customized menus, and the webpage opens up to say welcome to edubuntu  8.04
[21:04] <Ahmuck> this is a good thing.
[21:04] <Ahmuck> i'd like to post your blog post as part of documentation i'm going to do on step by step ltsp setup with screenshots and all
[21:04] <Ahmuck> if you'll let me.  i do have some other questions
[21:05] <nubae> awsome...
[21:05] <nubae> ask away
[21:05] <Ahmuck> i learn by theory first and then by syntax
[21:05] <Ahmuck> so, i somewhat interested in the theory of how this works.  but for another day
[21:06] <nubae> I'm here now so any questions I can answer
[21:06] <Ahmuck> secondly, i noticed you have "packaged" applications in your script.  i assume that the script could be customized to create a set of applications and without replacing the menus?
[21:06] <nubae> absolutely
[21:07] <Ahmuck> i need to look over your script, and then layout the how and why this works
[21:07] <Ahmuck> as i believe in education as well as why it works.
[21:08] <nubae> its really quite simple, I took the existing thin client script and adapted it to install the apps we want, there are some basic requierd apps, and then the rest is cutomised to how u want it
[21:09] <Ahmuck> something i noticed is that you used the edubuntu icon set and theme.  i would assume i could pull this from edubuntu itself as an icon set and theme and then do similar to what kde does and just apply it as a theme, therefor creating a set of "canned" themes students could choose from
[21:09] <nubae> I've also use it do adapt to creating a xubuntu desktop and a kubuntu desktop
[21:09] <Ahmuck> ah, ok.  that sounds interesting
[21:10] <Ahmuck> do you have sepearte scripts for xubuntu and kubuntu?
[21:10] <nubae> well its pretty simple, as a base. pull in xubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop
[21:10] <nubae> and then layer on top
[21:13] <Ahmuck> so i assume that your fat client has a customized menu?
[21:13] <Ahmuck> is that "local apps" ?
[21:13] <nubae> nope
[21:13]  * Ahmuck is still confused about the "local apps" thingy
[21:13] <nubae> this was before localapps, its just what u put into the package list
[21:14] <nubae> local apps is regular thin clients with one or two apps running on the fat client
[21:14] <nubae> fatclient is everything running on the client
[21:14] <Ahmuck> ah, ok
[21:15] <nubae> there are advantages and disatvantages on both sides, though I believe fatclient is much more cutomisable
[21:15] <Ahmuck> so if you have a fat client why would you need a local app unless your running mixed clients ?
[21:15] <nubae> u dont
[21:15] <Ahmuck> so the local app applies only to the thin client
[21:15] <nubae> right
[21:15] <Ahmuck> and the fat client gets a fully loaded local app menu
[21:15] <Ahmuck> *blink* *blink*, a light bulb comes on
[21:16] <Ahmuck> floresant of course to save power
[21:17] <Ahmuck> so now i need to start looking at sugar, course management, etc.
[21:17] <Ahmuck> the foundations done, now i need the walls
[21:17] <Ahmuck> and then the roof and all the nice apps for the furniture
[21:18] <Ahmuck> is there a way for ltsp to query a thin client every 30 boots and set the hardware specs for that client and then lockout certian desktops?
[21:30] <nubae> italc
[21:30] <nubae> but its not time based
[21:30] <nubae> its manual
[21:37] <Ahmuck> it's doesn't do it automagially by client hardware specs either i don't suppose
[21:38] <nubae> give me a use case scenario
[21:44] <Ahmuck> bring in 3 new pc's or deploy a new ltsp server to usd xx in the county school district, the server starts, peeks at the config of the pc's connecting, builds a profile of each one and sets thin/thick clients in the dhcpd.conf based on mac address and specs
[21:44] <Ahmuck> or a gui to do so.
[21:44] <Ahmuck> like a spec, with a green icon for fat client and an option to check
[21:44] <Ahmuck> k, anyhow, i'm getting ahead of myself
[21:45] <Ahmuck> the school distircit here is on citrix, which i understand is a real pain to get around in
[22:05] <nubae> well citrix is the microsoft ltsp solution
[22:05] <nubae> though it sucks
[22:08] <Ahmuck> lol, did not realize that
[22:08] <Ahmuck> it uses ltsp ?
[22:08] <Ahmuck> really?
[22:08] <nubae> no
[22:08] <Ahmuck> the thin clients are already there, the network is already there
[22:08] <nubae> just seems like it :-)