[02:04] hey apachelogger [02:06] NCommander: I'm sort of back now. [02:06] Oh good [02:06] Where are we on stuff ... [02:06] NEEDSPONSOR [02:07] oh my [02:08] NCommander: OK. What first? python-qt4? [02:08] Yeah [02:09] Shoot me a link [02:09] But they can be uploaded in any order, the dependencies will sort themselves out [02:09] I feel pythonish at the moment. [02:09] NCommander: Did you make the launchpad-integration change in kde4libs we discussed earlier? [02:09] No, I haven't been home [02:10] OK. I'll get it. [02:10] ScottK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4bindings/+bug/308814 [02:10] Launchpad bug 308814 in python-qt4 "Patches for kde4bindings to build it on ARM" [High,In progress] [02:10] * NCommander hopes to still get the upload credit ;-) *gunshot* [02:17] Test build started for python-qt4 [02:17] ScottK, it is all test built in my PPA ... [02:17] But yeah [02:18] NCommander: How much crap got uploaded as soon as the Alpha freeze got lifted and will it build now? [02:18] fair enough [02:19] * ScottK isn't gonna get caught saying "I didn't test build it because $NOTACOREDEV told me a didn't have to ... [02:25] fair enough ;-) [02:31] evening [02:42] hey jjesse-dell9 [02:42] rgreening, ! [02:43] hey back mcasadevall [02:43] rgreening, feel like hacking :-) [02:44] heh, almost bedtime for me. The tranqs the doc has me on are real knockouts [02:44] what time you around tomorrow mcasadevall [02:45] NCommander: Building kde4libs too. [02:45] right [02:45] ... on battery. [02:45] you won't be able to build bindings without both of those [02:45] ScottK, er, upload to a PPA? [02:45] Probably faster [02:45] Trying to see if I can crush the maching. [02:45] I'm old fashioned. [02:46] you have fashion? [02:47] Definitely not. [02:48] I've been married 8 years and I still have clothes I bought before we got married that I connsider 'relatively new'. [02:48] o_o; [02:48] That and your 10 year old coffee [02:48] mcasadevall: Tossed them at a PPA too, just for completeness [02:48] mcasadevall: I'm fairly certain I still own underwear as old as you are. [02:49] ok, that disturbs me [02:49] * mcasadevall has that weird feeling that looking at ScottK, I see my own future [03:07] rgreening: Any idea how to make libnotify/dbus pop-ups look like Kubuntu and not Ubuntu. [03:08] The brown one is KDE, the other is QT : http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/notify.png [03:33] ScottK: here it's in KDE colors... *grabs a screenshot* [03:33] ryanakca: Using quassel and dbus? [03:33] quassel, no. Just a ``notify-send "testing popus"'' [03:34] * ScottK tries [03:35] ScottK: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/notify-send1.png [03:35] Well, closer to KDE colors than the icky orange [03:37] ScottK: You can also change the theme with ``gconftool-2 -t string -s /apps/notification-daemon/theme '' [03:38] Hmmm [03:39] ScottK: gconftool-2 -t string -s /apps/notification-daemon/theme standard for that theme... according to http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-143061.html , options are standard, bubble and ubuntu. I'm guessing you're using the ubuntu theme [03:39] Sounds like. [03:39] It'd be nice for there to be a Kubuntu one in there too. [03:39] *nod* [03:40] Or we could patch everything to use knotify :P [03:40] What source package would have the themes? [03:40] s/knotify/whatever KDE uses/g [03:41] ScottK, how goes python-qt4? [03:42] Good thing I threw it at the PPA. Hard drive ran out of room. [03:42] It was going great until then. [03:43] Python built [03:44] * ryanakca => bed [03:44] mcasadevall: Python-qt4 uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu. [03:45] * mcasadevall waves [03:46] * mcasadevall pops open his draft emails [03:52] * mcasadevall waits for libs === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [04:15] NCommander: kde4libs uploaded. Thank you for your contributionto Kubuntu. [04:45] rgreening: First less is kvirc-kde4_4.0.0~svn20081215-0ubuntu1, not kvirc-kde4_4.0.0+svn20081215-0ubuntu1. If there next release is 4.0, then you want a version number less than that. + makes it higher. [04:54] rgreening: debian/copyright needs to say the year of the copyrights. [04:55] Needs a thorough check for the new version. [04:55] I found one file that was GPL v1 or a later version ...., but upstream seems to be relying on GPLv2. [04:56] rgreening: debian/changelog should describe the actual changes in the packaging too (but you knew that). [05:02] rgreening: No need to include postinst/prerm that only contain the debhelper token. They'll be automagically generated. [05:02] kvirc-dev-kde4 postinst and prerm can be deleted. [05:03] rgreening: It looks to me like you've got usr/lib/*.so* in both kvirc-kde4 and the -dev package. [05:03] Doesn't that make the package conflict? [05:04] * ScottK notes it's late and he's tired, so no guarantees these comments are correct. [05:05] rgreening: Don't over-ride kvirc: binary-without-manpage kvirc. It's a PITA, but it's a valid warning. [05:06] * ScottK thinks kvirc: menu-icon-missing /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kvirc.xpm [05:07] ... is not such a great over-ride either. [05:07] that's where you tell it to look for it in your menu file. [05:08] rgreening: In kvirc-kde4.postrm, don't you want ldconfig on purge too? [05:26] hey ScottK [05:33] Hey [05:33] NCommander: .... [05:34] what did I do? [05:34] * NCommander hasn't broken the archive. Yet. [05:34] You said hey. I said hey back. [05:35] But then you ...'ed me! [05:35] Oh. I guess I should have ^^^ you. [05:36] I'll see your ^^^ and raise you a O_O; [05:39] NCommander: kde4bindings uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu. [05:41] lol [05:42] NCommander: I'm going to want to backport mlt soon I think. Any chance you could look into it's FTBFS problems on ports soonish? [05:43] ScottK, WTF is mlt? [05:44] Multimedia some thing. [05:44] Needed for Kdenlive. [05:44] Which now has a KDE4 version that people are clamoring for. [05:46] That build failure log looks miserable [05:50] ScottK, I can guess what's going on [05:50] Please. [05:50] NCommander: It's in Universe, so you can fix it right up ... [05:51] I said I know whats going on, I have no idea if I can fix it ;-) [05:58] I have a great deal of confidence in you. [06:02] rgreening: As predicted trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libkvilib4.so', which is also in package kvirc-dev-kde4 [06:02] It built though ... [06:04] rgreening: Does it really need KDE4.2 or can the depends be relaxed and have it work with KDE 4.1 too? [06:04] That's my comments ... [06:07] apachelogger: When smarter appears, would you please point him at "[01:05:49] ScottK: kde4-style-bespin accepted; kwin4-style-bespin has a malformatted long desc, wanna fix? [06:07] Or anyone else for that matter. [06:09] didrocks and JontheEchidna: kdenlive uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu. [06:10] Now I'm going to bed. [06:10] Good night all. [06:13] Oh, one more thing ... [07:19] wasabi robotgeek! [07:19] * nixternal goes and gets a dr. pepper [07:20] howdy nixternal [07:22] how have you been? [07:22] haven't talked to you in a while [07:22] nixternal: pretty good. just busy with work and life. [07:23] ya, pretty much the same here [07:23] submitting small patches to things i use (rockbox: rejected, working on new and sloccount) are a few recent ones [07:23] have not even upgraded to kde 4 :) [07:23] ouch [07:23] gotta love that rockbox :) [07:24] you can at least use the amarok/kde4 theme for it if you have a sansa e260 :) [07:24] that's what I use now [07:24] i actually use it :) [07:24] nice [07:24] you have a sansa or did the dev port it to other devices as well? [07:25] the cover thing works, the cover plugin for amarok also works, which is neat. so i get album covers in rock box [07:25] i have the same sansa. wooted it [07:25] ahh, I need to get that cover plugin [07:25] I forgot to install it last time I updated [07:25] also joined the local makers [07:27] keeps me busy. also 8 hours of writing code at work usually saps out motivation to sit in front of the computer and do stuff :) [07:27] oh man, I can totally relate there [07:28] though I got the boost I needed from UDS last week [07:28] excellent. did you have a good time? [07:28] a very good time [07:29] a lot of community, motu/core-dev, and kubuntu stuff that week [07:29] as well as the google burritos that rocked! [07:29] heh :) [07:29] a lot of the google stuff rocked [07:29] especially those burritos! [07:29] and the lil doggies [07:30] great! [07:31] i have not done any work with kubuntu in a year and a half. i think about leaving the teams, but i am hoping i will get off my butt and do something :) [07:31] hehe [07:34] i should probably document the setup i have with mythtv + nvidia + dual screen + remote. it worked out pretty nicely. was nasty to configure. [07:36] nixternal: time for me to go away to bed. long day :). i'll catch up with you some other time [07:36] have a merry christmas, and a happy new year! [07:37] * robotgeek forgets this was -devel (sorry!) [07:37] g'nite [07:37] no problem, we need to break the ice in here every now and then [07:38] * Hobbsee grabs an axe === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [08:21] * NCommander throws Hobbsee through the ice [09:35] ryanakca, ScottK: I don't think patching quassel to use knotify/visualnoticiations.kde.org isn't too much work [09:36] IIRC the visualnotify stuff is mostly compatible with libnotify, so one just would need to change some things and it should work [09:36] * apachelogger goes shopping [09:40] ScottK: thx :) [11:11] http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-promo&m=122976021804479&w=2 [11:11] :D [11:12] flamewar in 3 ... 2 ... 1... [11:13] answer: because GTK is hell old and not even used by GNOME :P [11:13] GTK+ ftw [11:13] then again GTK+ was not really an option for KDE Uno... [11:13] anyways, I am AFK for cooking [11:13] GTK was written for GIMP, and that was because Qt was non-free at the time, right? [11:26] ~wp gimp [11:26] Results for gimp: 1. GIMP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMP | 2. Gimp (band): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimp_(band) | 3. GIMP - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMP [11:26] [1] GIMP 2.6.0 running on KDE. [11:26] uhh that is a kubuntu snapshot, I tell you [11:28] NCommander: the question is did they even know about it [11:29] apachelogger, I think the big reason GIMP wrote their own toolset is that until only a few years ago, Qt was non-free. That's what actually caused GNOME's existance [11:30] NCommander: few years? [11:30] >10 years IIRC [11:30] * NCommander runs to wikipedia [11:30] Qt was always "free" as in beer [11:31] But it was under the Q public license [11:31] it was only relicensed under the GPL about five years ago or so [11:32] With the release of version 2.0 of the toolkit, the license was changed to the Q Public License (QPL), a free software license but one regarded by the Free Software Foundation as incompatible with the GPL. [11:32] oh, my mistake [11:32] sorry my memory gone a little fuzzy over the years [11:32] see, were enough years to cloud your memory :P [11:33] I thought QPL wasn't a free license [11:33] that would make the public kinda pointless though [11:33] wikipedia-- [11:33] the page on qt is a pita [11:33] * NCommander points apachelogger to the edit button [11:34] * Hobbsee edits NCommander [11:34] BTW, apachelogger, please retry kde4bindings on ia64 for me [11:34] * NCommander deletes Hobbsee [11:34] * Hobbsee also pokes him in the ribs, and watches him fall off his chair [11:34] I wouldn't be reading that page if I knew precisely when qt become dual licensed :P [11:34] no, you can't delete any objects unless they're spawned from you, while you're editing yourself... [11:36] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [11:36] libplasma-dev: Depends: libplasma3 (= 4:4.1.85-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed [11:36] E: Broken packages [11:36] NCommander: wouldn't that only happen if something declares an unversioned dep on libplasma-dev? [11:37] * NCommander didn't touch that deps line [11:37] Oh [11:37] d'oh [11:37] kde4bindings has an explicate build-dep on 4.1.85-0ubuntu2 or greater [11:37] very weird [11:37] No, that was intentional :-) [11:38] * apachelogger always thought the debs get populated all at once [11:38] it also has one on python-qt4 [11:38] NCommander: I mean that the build failed [11:38] "This all became a moot point with the release of Qt 2.2. This and later versions of the free Qt are covered under a "dual" license." [11:38] * NCommander shrugs [11:38] now I just gotta find out when 2.2 got released [11:38] NCommander: retried [11:39] Thanks [11:39] ah [11:39] german++ [11:39] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_(Bibliothek) [11:39] I don't read german [11:39] compare that page to the english one [11:39] a shame! [11:39] sorry [11:39] NCommander: google can translate [11:39] :-P [11:39] 7. Dezember 2000 2.2 [11:40] "Controversy erupted around 1998 when it became clear that KDE was going to become one of the leading desktop environments for Linux." [11:40] so it took TT 2 years to resolve that issue, I consider this fast movement for a company ^_^ [11:44] uhhh [11:44] memo++ [11:44] smarter: read your memos :P [11:45] hmm [11:46] yup, the desc exceeds 80 chars, didn't thought it would be such a problem for an alpha :P [11:46] * smarter will fix that [11:53] I have seen the thing about konversation for jaunty [11:54] is not possible put a 'temporary' different client for IRC, based on kde4/qt4? [11:55] Nightrose: checkOut() started with component: kdeedu [11:55] f4l3_: sure, if there was a usable one :P [11:57] apachelogger: If I'm able to find one? [12:01] I mean, we are still in time to make changes like this? [12:07] apachelogger: btw, probably konversation will not be ready even for 9.10 [12:14] <|newbie|> ok [12:14] <|newbie|> apachelogger: I think I found one :) === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi [12:15] <|newbie|> and it seems way better than konversation [12:17] which one? [12:17] <|newbie|> apachelogger: KVIrc [12:18] we agreed that it looks like ... === |newbie| is now known as Fale_ [12:19] apachelogger: what do you mean? [12:19] Fale_: it's not exaclty looking sexy [12:19] apachelogger: maybe a little bit of skinning? [12:20] apachelogger: I mean, to me, it seems like we have three options [12:20] - ship it w/out an IRC [12:20] - ship it with konversation and with all the qt3 [12:20] - ship it with a different client [12:20] Fale_: we're investigating shipping Quassel [12:21] we have a lot more options really :P [12:21] 1) no IRC client [12:21] smarter: I have tried it... it use a lot of RAM and CPU [12:21] 2) no IRC client but write a tiny app to download&&install&&start konvi and all the qt3 bloat [12:21] ship with kvirc [12:21] with kvirc-kde4 [12:21] or with quassel [12:21] or with xchat [12:22] apachelogger: my third covers all these... [12:22] though I doubt the latter would save much space even though we have a core gtk anyway [12:22] apachelogger: why we have core gtk? [12:22] gtk-qt-engine [12:23] and OOo as well [12:23] oh, ok, I thought it wasn't by default on the cd [12:23] apachelogger: OOo is based on gtk? [12:23] I thought it was only C++ the backend [12:24] no, it just happens to use it on linux [12:25] apachelogger: btw the 'pure' theme for KVIrc is close to be acceptable, imho [12:27] oh, I see [12:28] apachelogger: but even OOo-kde is written in gtk? [12:32] bye [12:33] wooo [12:33] kde4libs built on arm [12:33] go bindings go! [12:33] apachelogger, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4bindings/4:4.1.85-0ubuntu2/+build/817865 - push retry please [12:34] (so it will get pushed quickly into the build queue) [12:43] Fale_: ooo-kde is AFAIK just like gtk-qt-engine and uses different dialogs [12:44] apachelogger, please retry :-) [12:44] NCommander: already did :P [12:44] woo [12:47] hi there [12:47] which package do I need to install to get debug symbols for kate/kwrite etc. in KDE 4.2 beta 2 ? [12:47] I installed kdebase-dev and kdelibs-dev [12:47] but cannot find kwrite / kate-dev [12:50] milian: kdebase-workspace-dbg and kdesdk-dbg [12:50] -dev doesn't really have anything to do with debugging :P [13:17] apachelogger: that's not very cool (about the OOo-kde) [13:19] apachelogger: is there a statistic of the space usage of the disk? [13:22] f4l3_: no, feel free to make one ;-) [13:22] but OOo probably eats most [13:23] apachelogger: mmm use koffice instead of OOo? [13:23] doesn't messure up right now [13:23] apachelogger: and about the OOo's gui... I will think about that one day... but not today xD [13:24] messure = ? [13:24] s/messure/measure [13:24] * apachelogger is making up new words today :D [13:25] kde-nightly-kdeedu available to the public [13:25] apachelogger: I think I haven't got your phrase... [13:26] f4l3_: koffice doesn't have as many features as OOo and thus doesn't cover most use cases + it is a lot less table right now [13:26] *stable even [13:28] apachelogger: ok, I got it [14:03] I have Kubuntu 8.04 and have up graded 2.6.24 23 kernel i use gdesklets how can i use the desklets and not have the shell window popup when i boot up i want the desklets clock and quote of the day to load as i get to desktop [14:11] runpain2: #kubuntu for support please [14:23] thanks apachelogger [14:27] ScottK: any news about digikam-kde4? === bddebian2 is now known as bddebian [14:32] apachelogger: anyone can suggest a factoid change you know ;) [14:32] stdin: there is no handbook, so I don't know :P [14:32] !bot [14:32] Hi! I'm #kubuntu-devel's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [14:32] see the Usage info [14:33] you just do "!factoid is something" or "!factoid is something else" [14:39] !offtopic-#kubuntu-offtopic is #kubuntu-offtopic is the development channel for Kubuntu, please use #kubuntu for support questions and #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks [14:39] But offtopic-#kubuntu-offtopic already means something else! [14:39] really? [14:39] ah, yes. dumb me [14:39] !offtopic-#kubuntu-devel is #kubuntu-offtopic is the development channel for Kubuntu, please use #kubuntu for support questions and #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks [14:40] I'll remember that, stdin [14:40] hehe [14:40] stdin: I trust youll fix that? [14:40] yes :) [14:40] in /msg though [14:40] hehe [15:13] apachelogger: The issue you run into with stuff like the kde4bindings that you retried last night is that the -dev package is arch all while the main package arch any and so the newer -dev is there before the main package on a slow arch. That makes the -dev uninstallable. If a build-dep is uninstallable, as opposed to mearly not present, sbuild will fail the build. [15:13] Oddly though if it's already depwait, and the -dev is uninstallable, it just leaves it depwait. [15:13] There are bugs filed on this. [15:13] Thanks for doing the retries. [15:41] Folks, koffice failed to build due to patches not applying; is anybody looking into this already? [15:43] bbiab [16:05] morning [17:09] Hobbsee: Would you please rescore the armel build of kde4bindings? [17:10] * ScottK-palm will be back later. [17:41] Hmm Debian has a newer koffice in experimental, 1.9.98 [17:45] Was koffice imported in a bzr branch? [17:52] Would someone be so kind to check http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/koffice_1.6.3-7ubuntu2.debdiff and either commit it or ack it? [18:19] * ScottK looks at Riddell ^^^ [18:19] Perhaps hell grace us with a visit. [18:19] hell/he'll [18:23] Heh it's almost xmas [18:27] he's probably on holiday from his holiday. [18:27] Probably. [18:31] he is probably heading back home actually, as he stayed in sunnyvale for another week to travel via his brompton === glade88_ is now known as glade88 [20:09] apachelogger: yay @ edu *hug* [20:11] isn't there a package that provides extra plasmoids, kde-extras or something like that/ [20:21] jjesse-dell9: kdeplasma-addons [20:31] ScottK: Do you know whether koffice is kept in bzr? If not would it be reasonnable to push this relatively small delta? [20:32] I tried looking for it, but only found an old import from 1998 [22:31] ScottK: rescored [22:38] lool: I don't know. I think Riddell has been mostly doing that himself, but I'm not sure. [22:38] Hobbsee: Thanks. [22:41] rgreening: Did you see my comments on kvirc-kde4? [22:54] hrmm anyone able to get the lcd weather plasmoid to work? for me it doesn't show any data sources to find cities [23:02] Would someone who is running Jaunty, please install kdenlive and see if it works without ffmpeg installed? [23:02] There are some conflicting reports about if it's needed for more than firewire capture. [23:05] evening [23:05] Good evening. [23:06] I think the only pressing issue for you is lool's question about koffice. [23:07] lool's patch looks fine [23:07] there's no bzr for koffice (that I know of) [23:14] * ScottK looks at lool's patch. [23:17] Riddell: you back home yet? [23:35] Riddell and lool: I'm test building the koffice update now and will upload it once it finished. [23:54] nixternal: yes, nice to have real internet again [23:56] hehe, I hear you there [23:56] I am at a LUG meeting now, but we are hacking on some google api stuff right now...pretty boring actually [23:56] but we have lots of beer and we are looking at ordering pizza [23:59] Does anyonehave working plasma shortcuts?