| === _MMA_ is now known as MetalMusicAddict | ||
| === MetalMusicAddict is now known as _MMA_ | ||
| dilomo | _MMA_: thanks | 14:46 |
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| _MMA_ | np | 14:47 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: some people say they are too dirty or that the X should be of the same height | 14:53 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: do you agree? | 14:53 |
| _MMA_ | I'm unsure. I kinda like it being different. | 14:54 |
| _MMA_ | Personally, I try to be odd/different where I can. :) | 14:54 |
| dilomo | :) me too but most of the ppl don't undertsand me | 14:55 |
| _MMA_ | Hell with them. ;) | 14:55 |
| _MMA_ | Do *your* own thing. | 14:56 |
| dilomo | btw do you want to test the theme to tell me more about how it feels on prelight | 14:57 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. | 14:57 |
| dilomo | I have to upload it somewher or send it to your email | 14:57 |
| dilomo | ? | 14:57 |
| _MMA_ | email is fine | 14:57 |
| dilomo | which one should I use? the ubuntu one? | 14:58 |
| _MMA_ | Yep | 14:58 |
| dilomo | sent | 15:00 |
| _MMA_ | k | 15:01 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: after you test the them you may not like the metacity because the prelight state is somehow different. You will see ... | 15:02 |
| _MMA_ | ok. I'm checkin' email now. | 15:03 |
| dilomo | thorwil: what about you? What do you think? | 15:04 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo: Odd. The theme doesn't just drag n' drop into the theme manager. | 15:06 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: I don't know what is doing this. I packed the folder. | 15:07 |
| _MMA_ | No. Im sorry. Its a conflict with existing theme. | 15:07 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo: Yeah. I don't know about the pre-light. And can the "Maximize" button be centered between the "Close" and "Minimize"? | 15:12 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo: And "Shade" the window. Underneath your buttons, but around the outer frame, the 1px black outline is missing. | 15:14 |
| _MMA_ | "Shade" without Compiz on. | 15:14 |
| dilomo | I'm not using compiz | 15:15 |
| dilomo | and on the screenshot I have the outline | 15:16 |
| dilomo | http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229782040.png | 15:16 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: btw what is this "Shade" there is some setting for shade in the xml file but I don't know what is shade so I don't change them | 15:18 |
| _MMA_ | Yes. The outline is only missing on shade. When you double-click on the titlebar, it "rolls up" instead of maximizes. | 15:19 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: nope on my ubuntu it maximizes | 15:20 |
| _MMA_ | Its a switch. | 15:20 |
| dilomo | where? | 15:20 |
| _MMA_ | gconf: /apps/metacity/general/action_double_click_titlebar: toggle_shade | 15:20 |
| _MMA_ | But there's a GUI setting somewhere. | 15:21 |
| _MMA_ | System->Preferences->Windows | 15:22 |
| dilomo | ok I'll fix this but why you think I should move the max button right | 15:22 |
| _MMA_ | Like I said above, to "center it". Because the space between Maximize and Close is so small I think it doesn't work. | 15:24 |
| _MMA_ | So I would personally even up the spacing. | 15:24 |
| dilomo | but if I even it up then I should shorten the button too | 15:25 |
| _MMA_ | Why? Just move the Maximize button to the right a bit. Or minimize to the left. | 15:27 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: the thing is I can't. If I adjust the x-axis of the image it doesn't move | 15:29 |
| _MMA_ | Hmm... Odd. | 15:30 |
| _MMA_ | I'll look at it. | 15:32 |
| dilomo | sorry my mistake. I did it but | 15:32 |
| dilomo | the image is trimmed | 15:32 |
| _MMA_ | I bet there's something clipping it. | 15:33 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: I'm using a gradien that's drawn from metacity but haven't thought that it might clip this | 15:38 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo: Try this gtkrc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/89269 | 15:38 |
| _MMA_ | Im still playing with the Metacity. | 15:38 |
| dilomo | what's new with the gtkrc? | 15:38 |
| _MMA_ | That gtkrc tightens up the menu items and removes the scroolbar buttons. Just an idea. | 15:39 |
| _MMA_ | :P | 15:39 |
| _MMA_ | Or try lines 57 and 60 set to = 1. | 15:42 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: interesting about the scroll but many ppl would not understand "what's going on". You can make a different non-standart version of new wave if you wish ;) | 15:43 |
| _MMA_ | Why wouldn't they? :) I tend to think the arrows are redundant. And try try lines 57 and 60 set to = 1. That puts them together. | 15:44 |
| _MMA_ | Personally, I try to present something different but try to keep functionality. Removing the arrows doesn't take the ability to scroll. | 15:45 |
| dilomo | that's true indeed and I like that "outting together" of the arrows | 15:46 |
| thorwil | dilomo: was away and going again just now :} | 15:47 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah. I'm playing with the idea of removing the arrows in Studio's theme. At the very least I'll put them together. | 15:47 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: but there are programs that do what they want like FF | 15:48 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo: Sure, but it respects this arrow option. | 15:49 |
| _MMA_ | I've been testing the no arrows with Studio and had no issue so far. | 15:49 |
| dilomo | hmm I just tested it with new wave and it didn't worked in FF | 15:50 |
| _MMA_ | Did you restart FF? | 15:50 |
| _MMA_ | Works fine here. | 15:50 |
| dilomo | evidently no :). I have forgotten one window in the next workspace | 15:51 |
| _MMA_ | :P | 15:51 |
| _MMA_ | At the very least, putting the arrows together is nice because it puts them all within close proximity of each other. All in the one corner. | 15:52 |
| dilomo | yes true. | 15:53 |
| _MMA_ | And I use the "gtk-icon-sizes = "panel-menu=22,22"" to tighten up the menu in Studio because we tend to have alot of menu items and it helps alot on smaller screens. And I generally think it looks better. The GNOME defaults are a bit big IMO. | 15:56 |
| dilomo | Yes. They are bit bigger. I may consider this and make the menus thicker | 15:59 |
| _MMA_ | "Thicker" or thinner? :) | 16:00 |
| dilomo | I have to go skating on ice (how is this exactly in English) | 16:00 |
| dilomo | thinner :) | 16:00 |
| _MMA_ | :)0 | 16:01 |
| _MMA_ | I would say: "I'm going ice skating." | 16:01 |
| dilomo | nice :), see ya | 16:02 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: I'm back | 20:29 |
| dilomo | Do you know what causes this message from twf: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated | 20:29 |
| _MMA_ | No, but I've seen that come up in other apps also. I think it's a GTK thing. | 20:29 |
| dilomo | But it was not showing in the prev version and I haven't changes the spin buttons at all. That's strange. Did you succeed in moveing the button in the metacity I sent you? | 20:31 |
| _MMA_ | I got wrapped up in things at home. | 20:32 |
| _MMA_ | I'm also about to head off for the rest of the day. Gotta spend time with the family. ;) | 20:32 |
| dilomo | sure. family first | 20:33 |
| dilomo | just to ask you if I want to keep the empty space between the X and the rest how much should I increase it? | 20:34 |
| _MMA_ | I don't understand what you mean. | 20:35 |
| _MMA_ | A mockup would help. :) | 20:35 |
| dilomo | sec | 20:37 |
| _MMA_ | k | 20:38 |
| dilomo | look at the focused window:http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229805506.png | 20:39 |
| _MMA_ | k | 20:39 |
| lucazade | dilomo, new metacity buttons are cool! | 20:40 |
| lucazade | ;) | 20:40 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo: Ok. So you want to add *more* space. I'd have to tinker. I think there was a limit to how far you could push it but that might not apply to pixmap. | 20:41 |
| dilomo | lucazade: thanks but I have a problem with usability - most of the ppl I have sent the theme to don't like the prelight state | 20:41 |
| lucazade | i'll try it.. | 20:41 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: I think there is some limit but I may experiment | 20:42 |
| dilomo | lucazade: do you have email and I'll send it to you | 20:42 |
| lucazade | luca.forina@gmail.com | 20:42 |
| dilomo | lucazade: sent | 20:43 |
| lucazade | received tnx | 20:44 |
| dilomo | btw do you guys think that the theme should be tested by more ppl. I can write to the mailing list ... | 20:44 |
| lucazade | yes it maybe a chance | 20:45 |
| lucazade | may be | 20:45 |
| lucazade | :-/ | 20:45 |
| dilomo | lucazade: what is it so bad? | 20:45 |
| lucazade | my english is bad.. still trying the theme | 20:46 |
| lucazade | well i like this more than previous releases.. still too much contrast for my tastes. the close X button of metacity lacks right border?! | 20:48 |
| thorwil | dilomo: with the spacing on the front window on http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229805506.png you are moving towards too much. at some point the width taken for the buttons becomes a problem for narrow windows /that might have long titles) | 20:49 |
| lucazade | ok it depends on font size of the titlebar | 20:50 |
| dilomo | thorwil: this metacity is realy something that is tricky. | 20:50 |
| dilomo | lucazade: you are missing right border? | 20:51 |
| _MMA_ | Can one set a font size in Metacity? Override the default? | 20:51 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: don't know that | 20:51 |
| lucazade | using 8.5px (my current settings) i can't see clearly the right border of x button | 20:51 |
| lucazade | with bigger font is ok | 20:52 |
| dilomo | I haven't thought of that :( | 20:53 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo: Design for default font size and maybe 1-2 points below/above. You can't cover every use case. | 20:54 |
| dilomo | the bad thing is that the buttons get messy when used font less then 10 | 20:55 |
| _MMA_ | On what? The titlebar buttons? | 20:55 |
| lucazade | yep | 20:56 |
| _MMA_ | They are fine here using 9pt font. | 20:56 |
| _MMA_ | (on 2 machines) | 20:56 |
| dilomo | no the two small ones get very close | 20:57 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo: That's what I was asking you about before. :) | 20:57 |
| _MMA_ | It looks intentional as it's that way with larger fonts as well. | 20:57 |
| _MMA_ | Only below 9pt does it get kinda odd. | 20:58 |
| _MMA_ | (borders touch) | 20:58 |
| _MMA_ | Here anyway. | 20:58 |
| dilomo | probably that's because the buttons depend on the title. How can I change that | 20:58 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo: So to answer you earlier question, yes. Wider testing is good. :) | 20:58 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo: It might be a "padding" size. | 20:59 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: so I should not increase the space between X/max but between min/max? | 20:59 |
| dilomo | lucazade: how do you find the theme? Any bugs? | 21:00 |
| lucazade | atm no | 21:00 |
| lucazade | no bugs | 21:00 |
| _MMA_ | I would find a way to equal out the space and test down to 8pt font. | 21:00 |
| _MMA_ | (space between the buttons) | 21:01 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: note that the X has a dozen of pixesl empty to make the gap | 21:02 |
| _MMA_ | Ahh... | 21:02 |
| dilomo | lucazade: I don't want to look stupid but what atm stands for? | 21:02 |
| * _MMA_ didnt know. | 21:02 | |
| lucazade | i think metacity corners should be less rounded like the rest of the theme | 21:02 |
| lucazade | at the moment | 21:02 |
| lucazade | i suppose :P | 21:03 |
| dilomo | thanks | 21:03 |
| dilomo | _MMA_: so I can make the X wider if I want to | 21:03 |
| dilomo | I sent an email to everybody in the list to join testing | 21:13 |
| dilomo | lucazade: so what are your suggestions for the buttons (except that they are unusable at 8.5px) | 21:14 |
| lucazade | i like it, i would not change | 21:15 |
| lucazade | using 10pt the buttons looks ok also the prelight state | 21:16 |
| dilomo | yes but why are you using 8,5px | 21:17 |
| lucazade | prefear smaller titlebar | 21:17 |
| dilomo | ok | 21:19 |
| dilomo | I have to | 21:25 |
| dilomo | go bye | 21:25 |
| lucazade | bye | 21:25 |
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| === MetalMusicAddict is now known as _MMA_ | ||
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