=== _MMA_ is now known as MetalMusicAddict === MetalMusicAddict is now known as _MMA_ [14:46] _MMA_: thanks [14:47] <_MMA_> np [14:53] _MMA_: some people say they are too dirty or that the X should be of the same height [14:53] _MMA_: do you agree? [14:54] <_MMA_> I'm unsure. I kinda like it being different. [14:54] <_MMA_> Personally, I try to be odd/different where I can. :) [14:55] :) me too but most of the ppl don't undertsand me [14:55] <_MMA_> Hell with them. ;) [14:56] <_MMA_> Do *your* own thing. [14:57] btw do you want to test the theme to tell me more about how it feels on prelight [14:57] <_MMA_> Sure. [14:57] I have to upload it somewher or send it to your email [14:57] ? [14:57] <_MMA_> email is fine [14:58] which one should I use? the ubuntu one? [14:58] <_MMA_> Yep [15:00] sent [15:01] <_MMA_> k [15:02] _MMA_: after you test the them you may not like the metacity because the prelight state is somehow different. You will see ... [15:03] <_MMA_> ok. I'm checkin' email now. [15:04] thorwil: what about you? What do you think? [15:06] <_MMA_> dilomo: Odd. The theme doesn't just drag n' drop into the theme manager. [15:07] _MMA_: I don't know what is doing this. I packed the folder. [15:07] <_MMA_> No. Im sorry. Its a conflict with existing theme. [15:12] <_MMA_> dilomo: Yeah. I don't know about the pre-light. And can the "Maximize" button be centered between the "Close" and "Minimize"? [15:14] <_MMA_> dilomo: And "Shade" the window. Underneath your buttons, but around the outer frame, the 1px black outline is missing. [15:14] <_MMA_> "Shade" without Compiz on. [15:15] I'm not using compiz [15:16] and on the screenshot I have the outline [15:16] http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229782040.png [15:18] _MMA_: btw what is this "Shade" there is some setting for shade in the xml file but I don't know what is shade so I don't change them [15:19] <_MMA_> Yes. The outline is only missing on shade. When you double-click on the titlebar, it "rolls up" instead of maximizes. [15:20] _MMA_: nope on my ubuntu it maximizes [15:20] <_MMA_> Its a switch. [15:20] where? [15:20] <_MMA_> gconf: /apps/metacity/general/action_double_click_titlebar: toggle_shade [15:21] <_MMA_> But there's a GUI setting somewhere. [15:22] <_MMA_> System->Preferences->Windows [15:22] ok I'll fix this but why you think I should move the max button right [15:24] <_MMA_> Like I said above, to "center it". Because the space between Maximize and Close is so small I think it doesn't work. [15:24] <_MMA_> So I would personally even up the spacing. [15:25] but if I even it up then I should shorten the button too [15:27] <_MMA_> Why? Just move the Maximize button to the right a bit. Or minimize to the left. [15:29] _MMA_: the thing is I can't. If I adjust the x-axis of the image it doesn't move [15:30] <_MMA_> Hmm... Odd. [15:32] <_MMA_> I'll look at it. [15:32] sorry my mistake. I did it but [15:32] the image is trimmed [15:33] <_MMA_> I bet there's something clipping it. [15:38] _MMA_: I'm using a gradien that's drawn from metacity but haven't thought that it might clip this [15:38] <_MMA_> dilomo: Try this gtkrc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/89269 [15:38] <_MMA_> Im still playing with the Metacity. [15:38] what's new with the gtkrc? [15:39] <_MMA_> That gtkrc tightens up the menu items and removes the scroolbar buttons. Just an idea. [15:39] <_MMA_> :P [15:42] <_MMA_> Or try lines 57 and 60 set to = 1. [15:43] _MMA_: interesting about the scroll but many ppl would not understand "what's going on". You can make a different non-standart version of new wave if you wish ;) [15:44] <_MMA_> Why wouldn't they? :) I tend to think the arrows are redundant. And try try lines 57 and 60 set to = 1. That puts them together. [15:45] <_MMA_> Personally, I try to present something different but try to keep functionality. Removing the arrows doesn't take the ability to scroll. [15:46] that's true indeed and I like that "outting together" of the arrows [15:47] dilomo: was away and going again just now :} [15:47] <_MMA_> Yeah. I'm playing with the idea of removing the arrows in Studio's theme. At the very least I'll put them together. [15:48] _MMA_: but there are programs that do what they want like FF [15:49] <_MMA_> dilomo: Sure, but it respects this arrow option. [15:49] <_MMA_> I've been testing the no arrows with Studio and had no issue so far. [15:50] hmm I just tested it with new wave and it didn't worked in FF [15:50] <_MMA_> Did you restart FF? [15:50] <_MMA_> Works fine here. [15:51] evidently no :). I have forgotten one window in the next workspace [15:51] <_MMA_> :P [15:52] <_MMA_> At the very least, putting the arrows together is nice because it puts them all within close proximity of each other. All in the one corner. [15:53] yes true. [15:56] <_MMA_> And I use the "gtk-icon-sizes = "panel-menu=22,22"" to tighten up the menu in Studio because we tend to have alot of menu items and it helps alot on smaller screens. And I generally think it looks better. The GNOME defaults are a bit big IMO. [15:59] Yes. They are bit bigger. I may consider this and make the menus thicker [16:00] <_MMA_> "Thicker" or thinner? :) [16:00] I have to go skating on ice (how is this exactly in English) [16:00] thinner :) [16:01] <_MMA_> :)0 [16:01] <_MMA_> I would say: "I'm going ice skating." [16:02] nice :), see ya [20:29] _MMA_: I'm back [20:29] Do you know what causes this message from twf: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated [20:29] <_MMA_> No, but I've seen that come up in other apps also. I think it's a GTK thing. [20:31] But it was not showing in the prev version and I haven't changes the spin buttons at all. That's strange. Did you succeed in moveing the button in the metacity I sent you? [20:32] <_MMA_> I got wrapped up in things at home. [20:32] <_MMA_> I'm also about to head off for the rest of the day. Gotta spend time with the family. ;) [20:33] sure. family first [20:34] just to ask you if I want to keep the empty space between the X and the rest how much should I increase it? [20:35] <_MMA_> I don't understand what you mean. [20:35] <_MMA_> A mockup would help. :) [20:37] sec [20:38] <_MMA_> k [20:39] look at the focused window:http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229805506.png [20:39] <_MMA_> k [20:40] dilomo, new metacity buttons are cool! [20:40] ;) [20:41] <_MMA_> dilomo: Ok. So you want to add *more* space. I'd have to tinker. I think there was a limit to how far you could push it but that might not apply to pixmap. [20:41] lucazade: thanks but I have a problem with usability - most of the ppl I have sent the theme to don't like the prelight state [20:41] i'll try it.. [20:42] _MMA_: I think there is some limit but I may experiment [20:42] lucazade: do you have email and I'll send it to you [20:42] luca.forina@gmail.com [20:43] lucazade: sent [20:44] received tnx [20:44] btw do you guys think that the theme should be tested by more ppl. I can write to the mailing list ... [20:45] yes it maybe a chance [20:45] may be [20:45] :-/ [20:45] lucazade: what is it so bad? [20:46] my english is bad.. still trying the theme [20:48] well i like this more than previous releases.. still too much contrast for my tastes. the close X button of metacity lacks right border?! [20:49] dilomo: with the spacing on the front window on http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229805506.png you are moving towards too much. at some point the width taken for the buttons becomes a problem for narrow windows /that might have long titles) [20:50] ok it depends on font size of the titlebar [20:50] thorwil: this metacity is realy something that is tricky. [20:51] lucazade: you are missing right border? [20:51] <_MMA_> Can one set a font size in Metacity? Override the default? [20:51] _MMA_: don't know that [20:51] using 8.5px (my current settings) i can't see clearly the right border of x button [20:52] with bigger font is ok [20:53] I haven't thought of that :( [20:54] <_MMA_> dilomo: Design for default font size and maybe 1-2 points below/above. You can't cover every use case. [20:55] the bad thing is that the buttons get messy when used font less then 10 [20:55] <_MMA_> On what? The titlebar buttons? [20:56] yep [20:56] <_MMA_> They are fine here using 9pt font. [20:56] <_MMA_> (on 2 machines) [20:57] no the two small ones get very close [20:57] <_MMA_> dilomo: That's what I was asking you about before. :) [20:57] <_MMA_> It looks intentional as it's that way with larger fonts as well. [20:58] <_MMA_> Only below 9pt does it get kinda odd. [20:58] <_MMA_> (borders touch) [20:58] <_MMA_> Here anyway. [20:58] probably that's because the buttons depend on the title. How can I change that [20:58] <_MMA_> dilomo: So to answer you earlier question, yes. Wider testing is good. :) [20:59] <_MMA_> dilomo: It might be a "padding" size. [20:59] _MMA_: so I should not increase the space between X/max but between min/max? [21:00] lucazade: how do you find the theme? Any bugs? [21:00] atm no [21:00] no bugs [21:00] <_MMA_> I would find a way to equal out the space and test down to 8pt font. [21:01] <_MMA_> (space between the buttons) [21:02] _MMA_: note that the X has a dozen of pixesl empty to make the gap [21:02] <_MMA_> Ahh... [21:02] lucazade: I don't want to look stupid but what atm stands for? [21:02] * _MMA_ didnt know. [21:02] i think metacity corners should be less rounded like the rest of the theme [21:02] at the moment [21:03] i suppose :P [21:03] thanks [21:03] _MMA_: so I can make the X wider if I want to [21:13] I sent an email to everybody in the list to join testing [21:14] lucazade: so what are your suggestions for the buttons (except that they are unusable at 8.5px) [21:15] i like it, i would not change [21:16] using 10pt the buttons looks ok also the prelight state [21:17] yes but why are you using 8,5px [21:17] prefear smaller titlebar [21:19] ok [21:25] I have to [21:25] go bye [21:25] bye === _MMA_ is now known as MetalMusicAddict === MetalMusicAddict is now known as _MMA_