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Hobbseeanyone know if mark wants the screenshots himself, or if it's supposed to go to ubuntu-devel?00:37
slangasekHobbsee: to him directly00:49
slangasekapparently, large attachments get stuck in the mod queue ;)00:50
Hobbseeslangasek: yes, it appears so.00:52
Hobbseeslangasek: i wonder why lots are emailing ubuntu-devel then00:52
slangasekbecause sabdfl didn't specify00:53
Hobbseefricking hell, there's a lot of them...00:53
Hobbseeit's only when i see stuff like this that i remember just how many people actively use and follow ubuntu00:54
wgrantHow many responses are there?00:57
Hobbsee1/4 down!00:57
wgrantI don't see any... (are they all held?)00:57
Hobbseewgrant: there's 201 in the moderation queue, and most of them are this.00:57
Hobbseethere was a bit of wine stuff, a bit of spam.00:57
wgrantOh dear.00:57
* directhex declares it sleep o'clock00:58
Hobbseewonder about a mass-rule for this.00:58
HobbseeOH< FUCK01:03
* Hobbsee cries01:03
wgrantEhem.01:03
wgrantWhat went wrong?01:04
Hobbseei hit ctrl+c on listadmin :(01:04
wgrantAh, I love doing that.01:04
Hobbseewhen i'd gotten to 19201:04
Nafallowhat does that do?01:04
Hobbseeterminates the program...01:04
Hobbseelosing all the info you just gave it...01:04
Nafalloehrm. ouch.01:04
* Hobbsee attempts clearing the other bits out of the queue01:11
Nafallohey Baby :-)01:11
Babyhi! :)01:11
chris062689Is it just me, or does Alpha 2.. have a lot of regressions?01:23
chris062689Just by reading the release notes, there seems to be a lot broken :D  (Not nessessarly a bad thing, for something to be made better, it first must brake)01:23
Caesarslangasek: weird01:23
CaesarSo we have mysql-client-5.0 (for eg) in our snapshot of hardy-updates01:24
Hobbseechris062689: it's probably got regressions, and uds was last week, so people had less time on it01:24
CaesarGranted, hardy-updates "head" is now at 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.401:24
CaesarSounds like a good excuse to do another release internally :-)01:24
CaesarSorry for wasting your time01:24
chris062689True, but from reading the Release Notes, it doesn't appear very many "new" features are being added, sadly.01:25
wgrantIt is Alpha 2, and UDS was a week ago.01:25
wgrantThat is to be expected.01:25
wgrantAnd it is Jaunty.01:25
chris062689Ive been learning python a tad to see if I can't help the community any, when are we making the switch to having Python 3 applications being used in Ubuntu?  (Since arn't many Ubuntu-centric apps made in Python?)01:26
slangasekCaesar: I guess updating won't fix this particular error because no Ubuntu version since dapper had this problem AFAICS, so there was no reason to fix it in -updates01:27
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Caesarslangasek: So are you saying hardy-updates never contained that version of mysql-{client,server}-5.0?02:56
CaesarIt doesn't look that way to me02:56
ScottKslangasek: Added to the technical overview.  I've no idea if that's the best place or not.03:32
slangasekCaesar: I'm saying that {dapper,feisty,gutsy,hardy} don't have an older version of mysql-{client,server}-5.0 that would have caused the hardy-updates version to need a Replaces:03:36
slangasekCaesar: the version you're upgrading /from/ in that log isn't an Ubuntu version03:36
slangasek(or at least, not a released one)03:36
slangasekScottK: ack03:36
mcasadevallCan a buildd admin please rescore python-qt4 on armel?03:52
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cody-somervilleNCommander, ah... why?04:01
cody-somervilleIts building?04:01
NCommanderIt is?04:01
cody-somervilleyea04:01
NCommanderWell04:01
NCommanderInsert foot in mouth04:01
NCommanderTurn left04:01
ScottKcody-somerville: It's armel.  Even if it's already building, it won't be fast enough04:06
cody-somervillelol04:07
cody-somervillehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drI4BRMpaJM04:07
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* ScottK reminds slangasek that he was going to binary New kde4-style-bespin and kde-edu after the Alpha was done ...05:59
ScottKThen StevenK could have the pleasure of removing libplasma2.05:59
slangasekScottK: kde4-style-bespin accepted; kwin4-style-bespin has a malformatted long desc, wanna fix?06:05
ScottKslangasek: I'll get smarter to fix it tomorrow (I'm very close to collapse here).06:06
slangasekk06:06
* slangasek learns that NM breaks samba integration with dhclient \o/07:02
CarlFKhttp://dpaste.com/100981/ aptitude segfault - should I post that to lp?07:03
loolslangasek: That hwclock thingy wasn't happening on my computer so you're correct to assume it's hardware specific07:25
loolslangasek: The symptom IIRC was complete system hang :)07:25
slangaseklool: well, so someone who can reproduce it will need to do the test case verification for us07:25
loolI think hwclock has two ways of querying the clock, and when the first way fails (because another hwclock is running) the second way is used and causes issues07:26
loolslangasek: Yup; just wanted to let you know it wasn't a borken test case or a misunderstanding on your side07:26
loolA bunch of people worked on this bug, I expect one of them will know; ISTR davidm's laptop had the issue07:27
slangaseklool: ok.  given that this was targetted to 8.04.2, it would be appreciated if one of these people does the testing. :)07:29
loolHmm probably only OEM folks run 8.04.207:29
ssamdoes anyone know Brandon Perry's nick, and if he he around09:37
RainCTis anyone here interested in dovecot?11:03
* NCommander has touched it ... unwillingly11:04
RainCTheh  Well, I ask because I'm looking into merging it, but I'm not sure if I should :P11:04
RainCTelse I'll just forward everything I can to Debian11:04
StevenKBut dovecot is great!11:06
RainCTMaybe, I've never used it. So, we do want 1.1.7 in Ubuntu, right?11:06
sebnerRainCT: if 1.1.7 = newest version ;P11:09
* RainCT evil-looks sebner :P11:09
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sorenRainCT: Feel free to do the merge, yes.12:00
RainCTOkay. One question:  - dh_installinit -pdovecot-common --init-script=dovecot -u"start 24 2 3 4 5 . stop 76 1 ."   + dh_installinit -pdovecot-common --init-script=dovecot -u"defaults 24"   Which of those do we want? (First is Ubuntu, 2nd is Debian)12:05
loolasio fails to build on our buildd; it seems to be the kernel not being recent enough to run the testsuite; do we plan to upgrade the kernel in a near future?  Are the buildd running hardy alreadY?12:11
HobbseeRainCT: check with Keybuk (he's who originally made that change), but i'd guess you'd probably want to keep them12:11
HobbseeRainCT: looks like that's happened since edgy12:11
RainCTHobbsee: thanks12:16
Hobbseey/w12:16
maxbRe the ia32-libs discussion on ubuntu-devel@ - no one seems to have raised the possibility of simply splitting up ia32-libs into common build-support and one package per included package. Am I missing something that makes this solution not a good one?12:40
oliver_g_hi13:23
oliver_g_under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix it says to run "dget -xu http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/motu/xicc_0.2-2.dsc" to get the package source13:24
oliver_g_but what is the URL for the .dsc file for another file? :-)13:24
oliver_g_or can I just use apt-get source somepackage instead of dget?13:24
Hobbseeyou can use apt-get source13:26
Hobbseefor something in a repository13:26
Hobbseeotherwise you need to use dget on the .dsc13:26
oliver_g_ok, thanks13:27
RainCTdoko__: ping13:29
RainCTdoko__: The dovecot version in Ubuntu has replaces for "dovecot-common (<< 1:1.1)", but Debian has it unversioned. Which of those is correct? (ref. LP: #254721, Debian bug #493798)13:30
ubottuDebian bug 493798 in dovecot "missing replaces" [Serious,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/49379813:30
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ChipzzKeybuk: ping14:43
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oliver_g_just to be sure: if the official Ubuntu package has version 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 , then my own package for PPA would be 2.24.1-0ubuntu2~ppa1 ?17:51
loolCan't find what requires libio-socket-ssl-perl18:07
norsettolool: I find 27 rdepends and 12 reverse build depends in intrepid, but perhaps you want something else!?18:10
loolIn main18:10
loolWhy do we have it in main18:11
sorenlool: spamassassin`18:11
soren?18:11
loolah found it: devscripts recommends libwww-perl18:11
loolsoren: Nope, suggests I think18:11
sorenWell, spamassassin -> libwww-perl -> libio-socket-ssl-perl18:12
loolah no libwww-perl is a suggests as well18:12
sorenREally? Oh.18:12
lool(I'm asking because this lib needs promotion of libnet-libidn-perl, but I wanted to make sure we still need the lib)18:13
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sorenhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.jaunty/all18:16
sorenbrb18:16
loolYeah I'm grepping it18:16
loolOk libnet-ldap-perl is a reason, but why libnet-ldap-perl18:28
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cjwatsonslangasek: aha, that could be the problem (linux-meta/armel)18:30
cjwatsonHobbsee: rescored> thanks18:30
slangasekcjwatson: looks like there's a linux-meta on armel now, at least, so hopefully we won't have repeats18:31
loolAnd that's in a seed, ok18:31
cjwatsonslangasek: linux/armel failing to build won't help I'm sure :(18:33
cjwatsonlool: there are files under rdepends/ which might be useful18:33
slangasekhmm, doh18:33
cjwatsone.g. http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.jaunty/rdepends/ALL/libio-socket-ssl-perl18:33
stgraberbryce: why did you break my X ? :)18:43
RainCTdoko__: ping18:43
stgraberbryce: I just did the X upgrade and after restarting X I just get a blank screen (backlight seems to be off) with no way to switch to a tty. That's on a Radeon HD2600 with the open source ati driver (on jaunty)18:44
brycestgraber: does setting XAA resolve it?18:45
stgraberI just rebooted in failsafe, I'll try that18:46
stgraberbryce: that's AccelMethod XAA in the Device section right ?18:47
bryceyep18:48
brycefor an explanation of the change see https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/radeon-change-xaa-to-exa18:49
stgrabernah, didn't help ... I'll just install a ssh server so I won't have to reboot it all the time :)18:49
stgrabermc fb loc is 00df00d018:50
stgraberX: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so: undefined symbol: exaDriverAlloc18:50
stgraberthat's with http://pastebin.com/f2c343bd818:51
stgraberbryce: any idea what's wrong ?18:55
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brycestgraber: well the only change yesterday was to switch on EXA as the default19:00
brycestgraber: so my guess is that for whatever reason your system isn't working right with EXA - nothing surprising there, but a bug that should be reported and fixed19:01
brycestgraber: however more troubling is that if you specify XAA in your xorg.conf, that *should* revert back to the previous functionality19:01
brycestgraber: can you confirm in your Xorg.0.log that XAA is being used, not EXA?  That error message sounds like EXA is still getting used.19:02
stgraberroot@castiana:~# grep -i XAA /var/log/Xorg.0.log19:02
stgraber(**) RADEON(0): Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"19:02
brycegrep for EXA19:02
stgraberroot@castiana:~# grep EXA /var/log/Xorg.0.log19:03
stgraber(==) RADEON(0): Not using accelerated EXA DownloadFromScreen hook19:03
brycehrm19:04
brycestgraber: I'm surprised you're not seeing lines like these -19:04
bryce(==) RADEON(0): Using XAA acceleration architecture19:04
bryce(II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)19:04
stgraberyeah, me too. Before I did the upgrade (so, with the working driver) grepping for EXA or XAA didn't give me any result19:05
brycehmm19:05
stgraber(that was without a xorg.conf, so nothing special there)19:05
brycestgraber: ok, next step is to revert to the -ati from alpha-2 and verify that resolves the issue.19:06
bryceAlso, please do ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-ati once you have the system working, to file a bug.  Subscribe me to that bug.19:06
* bryce --> breakfast, bbl19:07
stgraberbryce: ok, just reinstalled ubuntu5 and I can now start X with both EXA and XAA as AccelMethod ...19:12
loolcjwatson: Uh I never poked at these, and it's exactly what I was looking for19:15
loolcjwatson: thanks!19:15
stgraberbryce: ubuntu-bug failed :)19:16
stgraberbryce: Cannot open display ":0 -" and then "<urlopen error The read operation timed out>"19:17
stgraberbryce: I'll leave this system on so I can ssh to it, just tell me what you need when you get back and I'll file a bug and attach the needed files19:18
stgraber(and then will probably have to open a bug report against ubuntu-bug/apport ... :))19:18
ellis<319:32
ellisThanks for making such an awesome OS. Everything works. :D19:33
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loolcjwatson: I think you had a look at mbr a while ago; I found there's a new upstream version now and if I change debian/rules to make check instead of make check-TESTS, it passes now19:51
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calcer it looks like someone deleted the main page off the Ubuntu wiki21:02
iulianNot again...21:05
iulianIt appears that the history is deleted as well.21:06
directhexhax!21:08
iulianIt makes no sense.21:09

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