Hobbsee | anyone know if mark wants the screenshots himself, or if it's supposed to go to ubuntu-devel? | 00:37 |
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slangasek | Hobbsee: to him directly | 00:49 |
slangasek | apparently, large attachments get stuck in the mod queue ;) | 00:50 |
Hobbsee | slangasek: yes, it appears so. | 00:52 |
Hobbsee | slangasek: i wonder why lots are emailing ubuntu-devel then | 00:52 |
slangasek | because sabdfl didn't specify | 00:53 |
Hobbsee | fricking hell, there's a lot of them... | 00:53 |
Hobbsee | it's only when i see stuff like this that i remember just how many people actively use and follow ubuntu | 00:54 |
wgrant | How many responses are there? | 00:57 |
Hobbsee | 1/4 down! | 00:57 |
wgrant | I don't see any... (are they all held?) | 00:57 |
Hobbsee | wgrant: there's 201 in the moderation queue, and most of them are this. | 00:57 |
Hobbsee | there was a bit of wine stuff, a bit of spam. | 00:57 |
wgrant | Oh dear. | 00:57 |
* directhex declares it sleep o'clock | 00:58 | |
Hobbsee | wonder about a mass-rule for this. | 00:58 |
Hobbsee | OH< FUCK | 01:03 |
* Hobbsee cries | 01:03 | |
wgrant | Ehem. | 01:03 |
wgrant | What went wrong? | 01:04 |
Hobbsee | i hit ctrl+c on listadmin :( | 01:04 |
wgrant | Ah, I love doing that. | 01:04 |
Hobbsee | when i'd gotten to 192 | 01:04 |
Nafallo | what does that do? | 01:04 |
Hobbsee | terminates the program... | 01:04 |
Hobbsee | losing all the info you just gave it... | 01:04 |
Nafallo | ehrm. ouch. | 01:04 |
* Hobbsee attempts clearing the other bits out of the queue | 01:11 | |
Nafallo | hey Baby :-) | 01:11 |
Baby | hi! :) | 01:11 |
chris062689 | Is it just me, or does Alpha 2.. have a lot of regressions? | 01:23 |
chris062689 | Just by reading the release notes, there seems to be a lot broken :D (Not nessessarly a bad thing, for something to be made better, it first must brake) | 01:23 |
Caesar | slangasek: weird | 01:23 |
Caesar | So we have mysql-client-5.0 (for eg) in our snapshot of hardy-updates | 01:24 |
Hobbsee | chris062689: it's probably got regressions, and uds was last week, so people had less time on it | 01:24 |
Caesar | Granted, hardy-updates "head" is now at 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.4 | 01:24 |
Caesar | Sounds like a good excuse to do another release internally :-) | 01:24 |
Caesar | Sorry for wasting your time | 01:24 |
chris062689 | True, but from reading the Release Notes, it doesn't appear very many "new" features are being added, sadly. | 01:25 |
wgrant | It is Alpha 2, and UDS was a week ago. | 01:25 |
wgrant | That is to be expected. | 01:25 |
wgrant | And it is Jaunty. | 01:25 |
chris062689 | Ive been learning python a tad to see if I can't help the community any, when are we making the switch to having Python 3 applications being used in Ubuntu? (Since arn't many Ubuntu-centric apps made in Python?) | 01:26 |
slangasek | Caesar: I guess updating won't fix this particular error because no Ubuntu version since dapper had this problem AFAICS, so there was no reason to fix it in -updates | 01:27 |
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Caesar | slangasek: So are you saying hardy-updates never contained that version of mysql-{client,server}-5.0? | 02:56 |
Caesar | It doesn't look that way to me | 02:56 |
ScottK | slangasek: Added to the technical overview. I've no idea if that's the best place or not. | 03:32 |
slangasek | Caesar: I'm saying that {dapper,feisty,gutsy,hardy} don't have an older version of mysql-{client,server}-5.0 that would have caused the hardy-updates version to need a Replaces: | 03:36 |
slangasek | Caesar: the version you're upgrading /from/ in that log isn't an Ubuntu version | 03:36 |
slangasek | (or at least, not a released one) | 03:36 |
slangasek | ScottK: ack | 03:36 |
mcasadevall | Can a buildd admin please rescore python-qt4 on armel? | 03:52 |
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cody-somerville | NCommander, ah... why? | 04:01 |
cody-somerville | Its building? | 04:01 |
NCommander | It is? | 04:01 |
cody-somerville | yea | 04:01 |
NCommander | Well | 04:01 |
NCommander | Insert foot in mouth | 04:01 |
NCommander | Turn left | 04:01 |
ScottK | cody-somerville: It's armel. Even if it's already building, it won't be fast enough | 04:06 |
cody-somerville | lol | 04:07 |
cody-somerville | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drI4BRMpaJM | 04:07 |
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* ScottK reminds slangasek that he was going to binary New kde4-style-bespin and kde-edu after the Alpha was done ... | 05:59 | |
ScottK | Then StevenK could have the pleasure of removing libplasma2. | 05:59 |
slangasek | ScottK: kde4-style-bespin accepted; kwin4-style-bespin has a malformatted long desc, wanna fix? | 06:05 |
ScottK | slangasek: I'll get smarter to fix it tomorrow (I'm very close to collapse here). | 06:06 |
slangasek | k | 06:06 |
* slangasek learns that NM breaks samba integration with dhclient \o/ | 07:02 | |
CarlFK | http://dpaste.com/100981/ aptitude segfault - should I post that to lp? | 07:03 |
lool | slangasek: That hwclock thingy wasn't happening on my computer so you're correct to assume it's hardware specific | 07:25 |
lool | slangasek: The symptom IIRC was complete system hang :) | 07:25 |
slangasek | lool: well, so someone who can reproduce it will need to do the test case verification for us | 07:25 |
lool | I think hwclock has two ways of querying the clock, and when the first way fails (because another hwclock is running) the second way is used and causes issues | 07:26 |
lool | slangasek: Yup; just wanted to let you know it wasn't a borken test case or a misunderstanding on your side | 07:26 |
lool | A bunch of people worked on this bug, I expect one of them will know; ISTR davidm's laptop had the issue | 07:27 |
slangasek | lool: ok. given that this was targetted to 8.04.2, it would be appreciated if one of these people does the testing. :) | 07:29 |
lool | Hmm probably only OEM folks run 8.04.2 | 07:29 |
ssam | does anyone know Brandon Perry's nick, and if he he around | 09:37 |
RainCT | is anyone here interested in dovecot? | 11:03 |
* NCommander has touched it ... unwillingly | 11:04 | |
RainCT | heh Well, I ask because I'm looking into merging it, but I'm not sure if I should :P | 11:04 |
RainCT | else I'll just forward everything I can to Debian | 11:04 |
StevenK | But dovecot is great! | 11:06 |
RainCT | Maybe, I've never used it. So, we do want 1.1.7 in Ubuntu, right? | 11:06 |
sebner | RainCT: if 1.1.7 = newest version ;P | 11:09 |
* RainCT evil-looks sebner :P | 11:09 | |
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soren | RainCT: Feel free to do the merge, yes. | 12:00 |
RainCT | Okay. One question: - dh_installinit -pdovecot-common --init-script=dovecot -u"start 24 2 3 4 5 . stop 76 1 ." + dh_installinit -pdovecot-common --init-script=dovecot -u"defaults 24" Which of those do we want? (First is Ubuntu, 2nd is Debian) | 12:05 |
lool | asio fails to build on our buildd; it seems to be the kernel not being recent enough to run the testsuite; do we plan to upgrade the kernel in a near future? Are the buildd running hardy alreadY? | 12:11 |
Hobbsee | RainCT: check with Keybuk (he's who originally made that change), but i'd guess you'd probably want to keep them | 12:11 |
Hobbsee | RainCT: looks like that's happened since edgy | 12:11 |
RainCT | Hobbsee: thanks | 12:16 |
Hobbsee | y/w | 12:16 |
maxb | Re the ia32-libs discussion on ubuntu-devel@ - no one seems to have raised the possibility of simply splitting up ia32-libs into common build-support and one package per included package. Am I missing something that makes this solution not a good one? | 12:40 |
oliver_g_ | hi | 13:23 |
oliver_g_ | under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix it says to run "dget -xu http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/motu/xicc_0.2-2.dsc" to get the package source | 13:24 |
oliver_g_ | but what is the URL for the .dsc file for another file? :-) | 13:24 |
oliver_g_ | or can I just use apt-get source somepackage instead of dget? | 13:24 |
Hobbsee | you can use apt-get source | 13:26 |
Hobbsee | for something in a repository | 13:26 |
Hobbsee | otherwise you need to use dget on the .dsc | 13:26 |
oliver_g_ | ok, thanks | 13:27 |
RainCT | doko__: ping | 13:29 |
RainCT | doko__: The dovecot version in Ubuntu has replaces for "dovecot-common (<< 1:1.1)", but Debian has it unversioned. Which of those is correct? (ref. LP: #254721, Debian bug #493798) | 13:30 |
ubottu | Debian bug 493798 in dovecot "missing replaces" [Serious,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/493798 | 13:30 |
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Chipzz | Keybuk: ping | 14:43 |
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oliver_g_ | just to be sure: if the official Ubuntu package has version 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 , then my own package for PPA would be 2.24.1-0ubuntu2~ppa1 ? | 17:51 |
lool | Can't find what requires libio-socket-ssl-perl | 18:07 |
norsetto | lool: I find 27 rdepends and 12 reverse build depends in intrepid, but perhaps you want something else!? | 18:10 |
lool | In main | 18:10 |
lool | Why do we have it in main | 18:11 |
soren | lool: spamassassin` | 18:11 |
soren | ? | 18:11 |
lool | ah found it: devscripts recommends libwww-perl | 18:11 |
lool | soren: Nope, suggests I think | 18:11 |
soren | Well, spamassassin -> libwww-perl -> libio-socket-ssl-perl | 18:12 |
lool | ah no libwww-perl is a suggests as well | 18:12 |
soren | REally? Oh. | 18:12 |
lool | (I'm asking because this lib needs promotion of libnet-libidn-perl, but I wanted to make sure we still need the lib) | 18:13 |
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soren | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.jaunty/all | 18:16 |
soren | brb | 18:16 |
lool | Yeah I'm grepping it | 18:16 |
lool | Ok libnet-ldap-perl is a reason, but why libnet-ldap-perl | 18:28 |
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cjwatson | slangasek: aha, that could be the problem (linux-meta/armel) | 18:30 |
cjwatson | Hobbsee: rescored> thanks | 18:30 |
slangasek | cjwatson: looks like there's a linux-meta on armel now, at least, so hopefully we won't have repeats | 18:31 |
lool | And that's in a seed, ok | 18:31 |
cjwatson | slangasek: linux/armel failing to build won't help I'm sure :( | 18:33 |
cjwatson | lool: there are files under rdepends/ which might be useful | 18:33 |
slangasek | hmm, doh | 18:33 |
cjwatson | e.g. http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.jaunty/rdepends/ALL/libio-socket-ssl-perl | 18:33 |
stgraber | bryce: why did you break my X ? :) | 18:43 |
RainCT | doko__: ping | 18:43 |
stgraber | bryce: I just did the X upgrade and after restarting X I just get a blank screen (backlight seems to be off) with no way to switch to a tty. That's on a Radeon HD2600 with the open source ati driver (on jaunty) | 18:44 |
bryce | stgraber: does setting XAA resolve it? | 18:45 |
stgraber | I just rebooted in failsafe, I'll try that | 18:46 |
stgraber | bryce: that's AccelMethod XAA in the Device section right ? | 18:47 |
bryce | yep | 18:48 |
bryce | for an explanation of the change see https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/radeon-change-xaa-to-exa | 18:49 |
stgraber | nah, didn't help ... I'll just install a ssh server so I won't have to reboot it all the time :) | 18:49 |
stgraber | mc fb loc is 00df00d0 | 18:50 |
stgraber | X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so: undefined symbol: exaDriverAlloc | 18:50 |
stgraber | that's with http://pastebin.com/f2c343bd8 | 18:51 |
stgraber | bryce: any idea what's wrong ? | 18:55 |
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bryce | stgraber: well the only change yesterday was to switch on EXA as the default | 19:00 |
bryce | stgraber: so my guess is that for whatever reason your system isn't working right with EXA - nothing surprising there, but a bug that should be reported and fixed | 19:01 |
bryce | stgraber: however more troubling is that if you specify XAA in your xorg.conf, that *should* revert back to the previous functionality | 19:01 |
bryce | stgraber: can you confirm in your Xorg.0.log that XAA is being used, not EXA? That error message sounds like EXA is still getting used. | 19:02 |
stgraber | root@castiana:~# grep -i XAA /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 19:02 |
stgraber | (**) RADEON(0): Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" | 19:02 |
bryce | grep for EXA | 19:02 |
stgraber | root@castiana:~# grep EXA /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 19:03 |
stgraber | (==) RADEON(0): Not using accelerated EXA DownloadFromScreen hook | 19:03 |
bryce | hrm | 19:04 |
bryce | stgraber: I'm surprised you're not seeing lines like these - | 19:04 |
bryce | (==) RADEON(0): Using XAA acceleration architecture | 19:04 |
bryce | (II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) | 19:04 |
stgraber | yeah, me too. Before I did the upgrade (so, with the working driver) grepping for EXA or XAA didn't give me any result | 19:05 |
bryce | hmm | 19:05 |
stgraber | (that was without a xorg.conf, so nothing special there) | 19:05 |
bryce | stgraber: ok, next step is to revert to the -ati from alpha-2 and verify that resolves the issue. | 19:06 |
bryce | Also, please do ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-ati once you have the system working, to file a bug. Subscribe me to that bug. | 19:06 |
* bryce --> breakfast, bbl | 19:07 | |
stgraber | bryce: ok, just reinstalled ubuntu5 and I can now start X with both EXA and XAA as AccelMethod ... | 19:12 |
lool | cjwatson: Uh I never poked at these, and it's exactly what I was looking for | 19:15 |
lool | cjwatson: thanks! | 19:15 |
stgraber | bryce: ubuntu-bug failed :) | 19:16 |
stgraber | bryce: Cannot open display ":0 -" and then "<urlopen error The read operation timed out>" | 19:17 |
stgraber | bryce: I'll leave this system on so I can ssh to it, just tell me what you need when you get back and I'll file a bug and attach the needed files | 19:18 |
stgraber | (and then will probably have to open a bug report against ubuntu-bug/apport ... :)) | 19:18 |
ellis | <3 | 19:32 |
ellis | Thanks for making such an awesome OS. Everything works. :D | 19:33 |
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lool | cjwatson: I think you had a look at mbr a while ago; I found there's a new upstream version now and if I change debian/rules to make check instead of make check-TESTS, it passes now | 19:51 |
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calc | er it looks like someone deleted the main page off the Ubuntu wiki | 21:02 |
iulian | Not again... | 21:05 |
iulian | It appears that the history is deleted as well. | 21:06 |
directhex | hax! | 21:08 |
iulian | It makes no sense. | 21:09 |
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