[00:37] <Hobbsee> anyone know if mark wants the screenshots himself, or if it's supposed to go to ubuntu-devel?
[00:49] <slangasek> Hobbsee: to him directly
[00:50] <slangasek> apparently, large attachments get stuck in the mod queue ;)
[00:52] <Hobbsee> slangasek: yes, it appears so.
[00:52] <Hobbsee> slangasek: i wonder why lots are emailing ubuntu-devel then
[00:53] <slangasek> because sabdfl didn't specify
[00:53] <Hobbsee> fricking hell, there's a lot of them...
[00:54] <Hobbsee> it's only when i see stuff like this that i remember just how many people actively use and follow ubuntu
[00:57] <wgrant> How many responses are there?
[00:57] <Hobbsee> 1/4 down!
[00:57] <wgrant> I don't see any... (are they all held?)
[00:57] <Hobbsee> wgrant: there's 201 in the moderation queue, and most of them are this.
[00:57] <Hobbsee> there was a bit of wine stuff, a bit of spam.
[00:57] <wgrant> Oh dear.
[00:58]  * directhex declares it sleep o'clock
[00:58] <Hobbsee> wonder about a mass-rule for this.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> OH< FUCK
[01:03]  * Hobbsee cries
[01:03] <wgrant> Ehem.
[01:04] <wgrant> What went wrong?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> i hit ctrl+c on listadmin :(
[01:04] <wgrant> Ah, I love doing that.
[01:04] <Hobbsee> when i'd gotten to 192
[01:04] <Nafallo> what does that do?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> terminates the program...
[01:04] <Hobbsee> losing all the info you just gave it...
[01:04] <Nafallo> ehrm. ouch.
[01:11]  * Hobbsee attempts clearing the other bits out of the queue
[01:11] <Nafallo> hey Baby :-)
[01:11] <Baby> hi! :)
[01:23] <chris062689> Is it just me, or does Alpha 2.. have a lot of regressions?
[01:23] <chris062689> Just by reading the release notes, there seems to be a lot broken :D  (Not nessessarly a bad thing, for something to be made better, it first must brake)
[01:23] <Caesar> slangasek: weird
[01:24] <Caesar> So we have mysql-client-5.0 (for eg) in our snapshot of hardy-updates
[01:24] <Hobbsee> chris062689: it's probably got regressions, and uds was last week, so people had less time on it
[01:24] <Caesar> Granted, hardy-updates "head" is now at 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.4
[01:24] <Caesar> Sounds like a good excuse to do another release internally :-)
[01:24] <Caesar> Sorry for wasting your time
[01:25] <chris062689> True, but from reading the Release Notes, it doesn't appear very many "new" features are being added, sadly.
[01:25] <wgrant> It is Alpha 2, and UDS was a week ago.
[01:25] <wgrant> That is to be expected.
[01:25] <wgrant> And it is Jaunty.
[01:26] <chris062689> Ive been learning python a tad to see if I can't help the community any, when are we making the switch to having Python 3 applications being used in Ubuntu?  (Since arn't many Ubuntu-centric apps made in Python?)
[01:27] <slangasek> Caesar: I guess updating won't fix this particular error because no Ubuntu version since dapper had this problem AFAICS, so there was no reason to fix it in -updates
[02:56] <Caesar> slangasek: So are you saying hardy-updates never contained that version of mysql-{client,server}-5.0?
[02:56] <Caesar> It doesn't look that way to me
[03:32] <ScottK> slangasek: Added to the technical overview.  I've no idea if that's the best place or not.
[03:36] <slangasek> Caesar: I'm saying that {dapper,feisty,gutsy,hardy} don't have an older version of mysql-{client,server}-5.0 that would have caused the hardy-updates version to need a Replaces:
[03:36] <slangasek> Caesar: the version you're upgrading /from/ in that log isn't an Ubuntu version
[03:36] <slangasek> (or at least, not a released one)
[03:36] <slangasek> ScottK: ack
[03:52] <mcasadevall> Can a buildd admin please rescore python-qt4 on armel?
[04:01] <cody-somerville> NCommander, ah... why?
[04:01] <cody-somerville> Its building?
[04:01] <NCommander> It is?
[04:01] <cody-somerville> yea
[04:01] <NCommander> Well
[04:01] <NCommander> Insert foot in mouth
[04:01] <NCommander> Turn left
[04:06] <ScottK> cody-somerville: It's armel.  Even if it's already building, it won't be fast enough
[04:07] <cody-somerville> lol
[04:07] <cody-somerville> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drI4BRMpaJM
[05:59]  * ScottK reminds slangasek that he was going to binary New kde4-style-bespin and kde-edu after the Alpha was done ...
[05:59] <ScottK> Then StevenK could have the pleasure of removing libplasma2.
[06:05] <slangasek> ScottK: kde4-style-bespin accepted; kwin4-style-bespin has a malformatted long desc, wanna fix?
[06:06] <ScottK> slangasek: I'll get smarter to fix it tomorrow (I'm very close to collapse here).
[06:06] <slangasek> k
[07:02]  * slangasek learns that NM breaks samba integration with dhclient \o/
[07:03] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.com/100981/ aptitude segfault - should I post that to lp?
[07:25] <lool> slangasek: That hwclock thingy wasn't happening on my computer so you're correct to assume it's hardware specific
[07:25] <lool> slangasek: The symptom IIRC was complete system hang :)
[07:25] <slangasek> lool: well, so someone who can reproduce it will need to do the test case verification for us
[07:26] <lool> I think hwclock has two ways of querying the clock, and when the first way fails (because another hwclock is running) the second way is used and causes issues
[07:26] <lool> slangasek: Yup; just wanted to let you know it wasn't a borken test case or a misunderstanding on your side
[07:27] <lool> A bunch of people worked on this bug, I expect one of them will know; ISTR davidm's laptop had the issue
[07:29] <slangasek> lool: ok.  given that this was targetted to 8.04.2, it would be appreciated if one of these people does the testing. :)
[07:29] <lool> Hmm probably only OEM folks run 8.04.2
[09:37] <ssam> does anyone know Brandon Perry's nick, and if he he around
[11:03] <RainCT> is anyone here interested in dovecot?
[11:04]  * NCommander has touched it ... unwillingly
[11:04] <RainCT> heh  Well, I ask because I'm looking into merging it, but I'm not sure if I should :P
[11:04] <RainCT> else I'll just forward everything I can to Debian
[11:06] <StevenK> But dovecot is great!
[11:06] <RainCT> Maybe, I've never used it. So, we do want 1.1.7 in Ubuntu, right?
[11:09] <sebner> RainCT: if 1.1.7 = newest version ;P
[11:09]  * RainCT evil-looks sebner :P
[12:00] <soren> RainCT: Feel free to do the merge, yes.
[12:05] <RainCT> Okay. One question:  - dh_installinit -pdovecot-common --init-script=dovecot -u"start 24 2 3 4 5 . stop 76 1 ."   + dh_installinit -pdovecot-common --init-script=dovecot -u"defaults 24"   Which of those do we want? (First is Ubuntu, 2nd is Debian)
[12:11] <lool> asio fails to build on our buildd; it seems to be the kernel not being recent enough to run the testsuite; do we plan to upgrade the kernel in a near future?  Are the buildd running hardy alreadY?
[12:11] <Hobbsee> RainCT: check with Keybuk (he's who originally made that change), but i'd guess you'd probably want to keep them
[12:11] <Hobbsee> RainCT: looks like that's happened since edgy
[12:16] <RainCT> Hobbsee: thanks
[12:16] <Hobbsee> y/w
[12:40] <maxb> Re the ia32-libs discussion on ubuntu-devel@ - no one seems to have raised the possibility of simply splitting up ia32-libs into common build-support and one package per included package. Am I missing something that makes this solution not a good one?
[13:23] <oliver_g_> hi
[13:24] <oliver_g_> under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix it says to run "dget -xu http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/motu/xicc_0.2-2.dsc" to get the package source
[13:24] <oliver_g_> but what is the URL for the .dsc file for another file? :-)
[13:24] <oliver_g_> or can I just use apt-get source somepackage instead of dget?
[13:26] <Hobbsee> you can use apt-get source
[13:26] <Hobbsee> for something in a repository
[13:26] <Hobbsee> otherwise you need to use dget on the .dsc
[13:27] <oliver_g_> ok, thanks
[13:29] <RainCT> doko__: ping
[13:30] <RainCT> doko__: The dovecot version in Ubuntu has replaces for "dovecot-common (<< 1:1.1)", but Debian has it unversioned. Which of those is correct? (ref. LP: #254721, Debian bug #493798)
[14:43] <Chipzz> Keybuk: ping
[17:51] <oliver_g_> just to be sure: if the official Ubuntu package has version 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 , then my own package for PPA would be 2.24.1-0ubuntu2~ppa1 ?
[18:07] <lool> Can't find what requires libio-socket-ssl-perl
[18:10] <norsetto> lool: I find 27 rdepends and 12 reverse build depends in intrepid, but perhaps you want something else!?
[18:10] <lool> In main
[18:11] <lool> Why do we have it in main
[18:11] <soren> lool: spamassassin`
[18:11] <soren> ?
[18:11] <lool> ah found it: devscripts recommends libwww-perl
[18:11] <lool> soren: Nope, suggests I think
[18:12] <soren> Well, spamassassin -> libwww-perl -> libio-socket-ssl-perl
[18:12] <lool> ah no libwww-perl is a suggests as well
[18:12] <soren> REally? Oh.
[18:13] <lool> (I'm asking because this lib needs promotion of libnet-libidn-perl, but I wanted to make sure we still need the lib)
[18:16] <soren> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.jaunty/all
[18:16] <soren> brb
[18:16] <lool> Yeah I'm grepping it
[18:28] <lool> Ok libnet-ldap-perl is a reason, but why libnet-ldap-perl
[18:30] <cjwatson> slangasek: aha, that could be the problem (linux-meta/armel)
[18:30] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: rescored> thanks
[18:31] <slangasek> cjwatson: looks like there's a linux-meta on armel now, at least, so hopefully we won't have repeats
[18:31] <lool> And that's in a seed, ok
[18:33] <cjwatson> slangasek: linux/armel failing to build won't help I'm sure :(
[18:33] <cjwatson> lool: there are files under rdepends/ which might be useful
[18:33] <slangasek> hmm, doh
[18:33] <cjwatson> e.g. http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.jaunty/rdepends/ALL/libio-socket-ssl-perl
[18:43] <stgraber> bryce: why did you break my X ? :)
[18:43] <RainCT> doko__: ping
[18:44] <stgraber> bryce: I just did the X upgrade and after restarting X I just get a blank screen (backlight seems to be off) with no way to switch to a tty. That's on a Radeon HD2600 with the open source ati driver (on jaunty)
[18:45] <bryce> stgraber: does setting XAA resolve it?
[18:46] <stgraber> I just rebooted in failsafe, I'll try that
[18:47] <stgraber> bryce: that's AccelMethod XAA in the Device section right ?
[18:48] <bryce> yep
[18:49] <bryce> for an explanation of the change see https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/radeon-change-xaa-to-exa
[18:49] <stgraber> nah, didn't help ... I'll just install a ssh server so I won't have to reboot it all the time :)
[18:50] <stgraber> mc fb loc is 00df00d0
[18:50] <stgraber> X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so: undefined symbol: exaDriverAlloc
[18:51] <stgraber> that's with http://pastebin.com/f2c343bd8
[18:55] <stgraber> bryce: any idea what's wrong ?
[19:00] <bryce> stgraber: well the only change yesterday was to switch on EXA as the default
[19:01] <bryce> stgraber: so my guess is that for whatever reason your system isn't working right with EXA - nothing surprising there, but a bug that should be reported and fixed
[19:01] <bryce> stgraber: however more troubling is that if you specify XAA in your xorg.conf, that *should* revert back to the previous functionality
[19:02] <bryce> stgraber: can you confirm in your Xorg.0.log that XAA is being used, not EXA?  That error message sounds like EXA is still getting used.
[19:02] <stgraber> root@castiana:~# grep -i XAA /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:02] <stgraber> (**) RADEON(0): Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"
[19:02] <bryce> grep for EXA
[19:03] <stgraber> root@castiana:~# grep EXA /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:03] <stgraber> (==) RADEON(0): Not using accelerated EXA DownloadFromScreen hook
[19:04] <bryce> hrm
[19:04] <bryce> stgraber: I'm surprised you're not seeing lines like these -
[19:04] <bryce> (==) RADEON(0): Using XAA acceleration architecture
[19:04] <bryce> (II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
[19:05] <stgraber> yeah, me too. Before I did the upgrade (so, with the working driver) grepping for EXA or XAA didn't give me any result
[19:05] <bryce> hmm
[19:05] <stgraber> (that was without a xorg.conf, so nothing special there)
[19:06] <bryce> stgraber: ok, next step is to revert to the -ati from alpha-2 and verify that resolves the issue.
[19:06] <bryce> Also, please do ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-ati once you have the system working, to file a bug.  Subscribe me to that bug.
[19:07]  * bryce --> breakfast, bbl
[19:12] <stgraber> bryce: ok, just reinstalled ubuntu5 and I can now start X with both EXA and XAA as AccelMethod ...
[19:15] <lool> cjwatson: Uh I never poked at these, and it's exactly what I was looking for
[19:15] <lool> cjwatson: thanks!
[19:16] <stgraber> bryce: ubuntu-bug failed :)
[19:17] <stgraber> bryce: Cannot open display ":0 -" and then "<urlopen error The read operation timed out>"
[19:18] <stgraber> bryce: I'll leave this system on so I can ssh to it, just tell me what you need when you get back and I'll file a bug and attach the needed files
[19:18] <stgraber> (and then will probably have to open a bug report against ubuntu-bug/apport ... :))
[19:32] <ellis> <3
[19:33] <ellis> Thanks for making such an awesome OS. Everything works. :D
[19:51] <lool> cjwatson: I think you had a look at mbr a while ago; I found there's a new upstream version now and if I change debian/rules to make check instead of make check-TESTS, it passes now
[21:02] <calc> er it looks like someone deleted the main page off the Ubuntu wiki
[21:05] <iulian> Not again...
[21:06] <iulian> It appears that the history is deleted as well.
[21:08] <directhex> hax!
[21:09] <iulian> It makes no sense.