[00:10] <xnox> Hello! I'm trying to find Andrea Veri (bluekuja)
[00:10] <xnox> He is a MOTU but I think he is gone MIA
[00:10] <Hobbsee> doesn't seem to be online at the moment
[00:10] <Hobbsee> although you've got the nick right
[00:10] <Hobbsee> [11:10] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen  : Nov 18 20:55:39 2008 (4 weeks, 3 days, 03:15:05 ago)
[00:10] <Hobbsee> holidays, maybe?
[00:10] <crimsun> please feel free to leave a message with hobbsee, who will poke with some stick or something.
[00:10] <Hobbsee> hah
[00:11]  * Hobbsee suggests email
[00:11]  * xnox emailed him as well as his Debian Sponsors
[00:11] <xnox> Basicly his packages in Debian are in semi bad state
[00:11]  * Hobbsee Please leave a message after the tone.  <beep!>
[00:11] <xnox> all uploads were in 2007
[00:12] <xnox> there are a few new upstream releases not packaged and a few NMU and a few bugs with patches attached
[00:12] <xnox> ......
[00:12] <xnox> =)
[00:12] <xnox> Me wants to take over =D
[00:12] <Hobbsee> afaik, go ahead.
[00:13] <Hobbsee> if he's mia, he's mia, and it seems he's not overly interested after a year
[00:13] <crimsun> intent to hijack!
[00:14] <xnox> crimsun: I'm not going to hijack I will contact debian mia team. and do everything as per debian reference / new mainteners guide / policy. Then I will hijack =D
[00:15] <Hobbsee> xnox: i suspect he's forgotten about it, tbh.
[00:15] <Hobbsee> most people won't leave stuff for a year, if they remember it
[00:15] <xnox> What does tbh mean? (English is my 3rd language)
[00:16] <Hobbsee> to be honest
[00:16] <Hobbsee> (yay for acronyms)
[00:16] <xnox> ok thanks
[00:16] <xnox> I just hope he is alive =D
[00:17] <xnox> Well his wiki/irc is the most recent. Last upload anywhere was on 3rd January 2008 for hardy
[00:18] <xnox> Thanks everyone. I will right him another email and then I'll go through MIA process to get packages uptodate.
[00:19] <xnox> Do you do anything with MIA MOTU's or are you keeping that title forever for everyone who becomes one?
[00:20] <Hobbsee> xnox: well, MOTU stuff is group maintained, so there's no maintainer lock like there is in debian.
[00:21] <Hobbsee> they do get the option to renew their MOTU rights every 2 years, and there's some discussion about what to do for inactive people
[00:22] <crimsun> hmm, eventually i'll have to reapply for motu
[00:23] <xnox> Hobbsee: thnx. I hope to become MOTU soon =D
[00:23] <xnox> Anyone from UK or Latvia? I want to get my PGP key signed =D
[00:24] <Hobbsee> xnox: you're welcome
[00:24] <Hobbsee> xnox: plenty of UK people around
[00:24] <Hobbsee> not at this time of day, but around.
[00:24] <xnox> ok cool =D
[00:25] <Hobbsee> go to a loco group, and look for people in ubuntu shirts, or wiht ubuntu stickers on their laptops, and say hello
[00:25] <Hobbsee> no idea on latvia
[00:25] <crimsun> #ubuntu-lv
[00:27] <xnox> Loco group I went to in Hull didn't do any programming or key signing. They were just drinking =D They are sysadmins and stuff.
[00:27] <crimsun> programming/drinking. one and the same.
[00:28] <crimsun> quite explains code quality, actually.
[00:28] <Laney> ballmer peak right?
[00:28] <crimsun> hehe
[00:28] <xnox> =D Lol
[00:29] <crimsun> Hobbsee: do you know what become of discussions to collapse this channel into -devel and have a general packaging one? (i presume it was nixed)
[00:29] <xnox> Is there a map where I can find people with PGP keys?
[00:29] <Hobbsee> crimsun: beyond the plenary discussion?  I've seen nothing public
[00:29] <Hobbsee> (or private)
[00:29] <crimsun> Hobbsee: ok
[00:30] <Hobbsee> crimsun: maybe there's internal stuff somewhere, but...*shrug*
[01:02] <rrittenhouse> I'm trying to look at DaD and how the merges work. Are there any documents on the Internet that might aid me in learning about this process?
[01:03] <vorian> rrittenhouse: did you check out the wiki page on merging?
[01:03] <rrittenhouse> vorian, Not really. I'm looking around but I thought I should ask around.
[01:04] <rrittenhouse> thx
[01:04] <vorian> rrittenhouse: it's full o' info on the process
[01:05] <vorian> rrittenhouse: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
[01:05] <rrittenhouse> vorian, Yeah I see that now. I guess I wasn't sure what to look under. I'm trying to familiarize myself with some of the packaging aspects. I made a patch that was sponsored in Universe and I just submitted one for main.. Pretty cool stuff!
[01:05] <vorian> hehe
[01:06] <vorian> that's awesome
[01:06] <rrittenhouse> with the help of my mentor, bobbo :)
[01:06] <vorian> oh sheesh
[01:06] <bobbo> ahoy
[01:06]  * bobbo sidles out whistling
[01:06] <vorian> rrittenhouse: if you want to be a motu, you will have to do the opposite of what bobbo says
[01:07] <bobbo> vorian: oi! I'm a MOTU now!
[01:07] <vorian> eek!
[01:07] <vorian> na, Congrats man!
[01:07] <bobbo> hehe, thanks :)
[01:07] <vorian> i must have missed that!
[01:08] <vorian> bobbo: be careful with rrittenhouse, he's a blackberry lover
[01:08] <bobbo> we cant be having that rrittenhouse!
[01:08] <bulletxt> Hi, I would like to add a software to Ubuntu's repository. Is there someone willing to do the job for me as i really don't have time? The sofware is AcetoneISO
[01:08] <rrittenhouse> vorian, Better than that K word ;)
[01:08] <vorian> pfft
[01:08] <rrittenhouse> :D
[01:08] <vorian> bulletxt: please file a "needs packaging" bug on launchpad
[01:08] <rrittenhouse> I'll be getting a G1 soon, is that any better?
[01:09] <vorian> no
[01:09] <vorian> :P
[01:09] <bobbo> bulletxt: you would need to file a Needs Packaging bug, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages#Requesting%20a%20new%20package%20for%20Ubuntu
[01:09] <bobbo> G1 > Blackberry, easily
[01:09] <rrittenhouse> yep
[01:09] <rrittenhouse> vorian, your the one that has an iphone ;)
[01:09] <rrittenhouse> got KDE on that yet?
[01:09] <rrittenhouse> lol
[01:09] <vorian> \o/
[01:10] <bulletxt> bobbo: vorian: this is why I'm asking in this channel:  https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/28983
[01:10]  * vorian looks
[01:11]  * bobbo has looked
[01:11] <bobbo> bulletxt: if you follow the instructions at the wiki link i posted, a developer might pick it up and package it for you
[01:12] <quadrispro> anyone on bug #309875?
[01:12] <quadrispro> I need an ACK :)
[01:12] <bobbo> quadrispro: I'll have a look
[01:12] <vorian> bulletxt: do you have a link to your project page that works by chance?
[01:13] <bulletxt> vorian: do you mean official website? http://www.acetoneteam.org
[01:13] <vorian> ah, great
[01:13] <vorian> someone posted http://www.acetoneiso.netsons.org/
[01:14] <quadrispro> oh bobbo, congrats!
[01:14] <quadrispro> (it's late, I know :))
[01:14] <bobbo> quadrispro: thanks alot :)
[01:14] <bulletxt> vorian: it was the old one but netsons domain went literally down
[01:14] <vorian> no biggie
[01:14] <rrittenhouse> Now I get to bug the heck out of him until I learn motu-tasks :D
[01:15]  * bobbo cries as his JD is finished
[01:16] <rrittenhouse> haha i'll have to send you a bottle
[01:16] <Laney> Can I 0-day merges now that we're close to DIF?
[01:18] <vorian> ah
[01:18] <vorian> bug 105873
[01:20] <bobbo> quadrispro: in the .desktop we removed the categories AudioVideo and DiscBurning, but they exist in the Debian .desktop, is that ok? (Will it still fix the bug we created the delta with?)
[01:26] <nhandler> 'collectd' has a versioned Build-Depends on libupsclient1-dev (>> 2.2.2-8ubuntu1). Should this change still be retained? Currently, libupsclient1-dev 2.2.2-10ubuntu1 is in jaunty
[01:28] <quadrispro> bobbo: yes, it's ok (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507369)
[01:30] <bobbo> quadrispro: Ah ok, looks good :)
[01:31] <bobbo> quadrispro: ACK'd
[01:31] <quadrispro> bobbo: thank you! and... if you aren't too busy, there's bug #309878 :)
[01:32] <bobbo> quadrispro: is it a simple one? I'm pretty tired :P
[01:32] <quadrispro> bobbo: yes, it's very simple
[01:33] <bobbo> quadrispro: right, looking at it now :)
[01:34] <quadrispro> I'm very tired too, in Italy it's 2 am here, but merging&syncing&fixing-in-general is like a drug :D
[01:35] <bobbo> quadrispro: hehe, where abouts in Italy are you? (Also, upload an Ubuntu->Ubuntu debdiff and I'll upload, merge looks fine)
[01:36] <quadrispro> bobbo: Aprilia, near Rome
[01:37] <bobbo> quadrispro: Wow, you're not far from where my Dad lives/works, in Latina
[01:38] <quadrispro> yes, Aprilia is in the province of Latina
[01:39] <bobbo> nice one :)
[01:40] <bobbo> I may have to drop by next time I'm in Latina :PP
[01:40] <quadrispro> ;)
[01:47] <quadrispro> bobbo: http://home.alessiotreglia.com/ -> I've added your key to the keyring, you can find the configuration instructions here http://home.alessiotreglia.com/dput_configuration
[01:48] <bobbo> quadrispro: deb-o-matic server?
[01:48] <quadrispro> yesss
[01:48] <quadrispro> server is mine, but it's maintained by DktrKranz
[01:49] <bobbo> hehe, just wait until Luca releases my modules branch, its gonna be awesome :P
[01:49] <quadrispro> I'm going to sleep, I tell you the password in pvt
[01:50] <bobbo> quadrispro: cool, Uploading that merge
[01:51] <quadrispro> bobbo: see you! bye ;)
[01:51] <bobbo> quadrispro: bye!
[02:17] <ScottK> crimsun: I'd say collapse the ML.  There's nothing MOTU specific on the MOTU ML that couldn't be on the MC list instead.
[03:02] <CarlFK> dh_install: libpostproc51 missing files (usr/lib/{,*/,*/*/}libpostproc.so.*), aborting  http://dpaste.com/100939/  last 100 lines of build
[03:03] <CarlFK> lone make maked, so it something in my dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b
[03:03] <CarlFK> I am building on x64 box
[04:08] <RAOF_> Who wants to make nouveau installable?  nouveau-kernel-source could do with a review: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=4297
[04:16]  * ScottK looks around for someone who knows stuff about kernels.
[04:16] <ScottK> spys persia ... Yep.
[04:16]  * ScottK looks in the mirror ... Nope.
[04:21] <cody-somerville> Whats the convention for naming tarballs of svn snapshots?
[04:26]  * cody-somerville guesses and will upload to revu.
[04:27] <ScottK> cody-somerville: There are choices.
[04:28] <cody-somerville> ScottK, well, there hasn't been a release yet
[04:28] <cody-somerville> (if that makes a difference)
[04:28] <ScottK> It can either be + the last release or ~ the next one.  In that case 0.0+svn is nice.  Then either date or svn commit.
[04:28] <ScottK> I like svn commit, but date it more common.
[04:29] <ScottK> 0.0+svn1234
[04:30] <cody-somerville> so
[04:30] <cody-somerville> 0.0+svn1234-0ubuntu1?
[04:30] <cody-somerville> (for the package version)
[04:33] <CarlFK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto  "sudo pbuilder build *.dsc"  - there is no mention of getting the .dsc file until later "Good places to look are http://packages.ubuntu.com ..."
[04:33] <CarlFK> is that the right place?
[04:34] <RAOF_> cody-somerville: That looks good to me.
[04:34] <ScottK> cody-somerville: Yes.
[04:35] <cody-somerville> CarlFK, for dsc in the ubuntu archive yes
[04:36] <cody-somerville> The thing I hate about + and ~ is the double clicking in the terminal stops the highlight at those characters :/
[04:37] <cody-somerville> (so does tab)
[04:38] <crimsun> hopefully your terminal emulator allows you to set the regex delimiters =). at least rxvt-unicode does.
[04:39]  * highvoltage guesses that cody uses xfterm4
[04:39]  * cody-somerville uses gnome-terminal :P
[04:39]  * highvoltage too
[04:40] <ScottK> cody-somerville: It's not a problem in Konsole.
[04:41] <cody-somerville> hehe
[04:41] <highvoltage> ah yes. konsole brings up a paperclip that says "It seems like you're trying to select text. Should I include that + or ~ in your selection?"
[04:42] <cody-somerville> :P
[04:42] <CarlFK> looks like apt-get source bc gets it too
[04:42] <cody-somerville> CarlFK, yup
[04:42] <cody-somerville> CarlFK, but you have to have the deb-src lines in your sources.list for that to work
[04:44] <CarlFK> i normally use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b but that errored: http://dpaste.com/100939/ dh_install: libpostproc51 missing files (usr/lib/{,*/,*/*/}libpostproc.so.*), aborting
[04:45] <CarlFK> so I thought I would try the recommended way :)
[04:46] <cody-somerville> :]
[04:47]  * cody-somerville goes to watch a movie, bbl
[04:59] <ScottK> Some rules just shouldn't have to be written down, but they do ....
[04:59] <ScottK> From Debian Policy 10.2: "Producing source packages that depend on unreleased compilers is also usually a bad idea."
[05:14] <RAOF_> scottK: Using debian-policy for some light bedtime reading?
[05:15] <nixternal> do you people ever sleep?
[05:16] <RAOF_> Rarely at 2:15pm.
[05:16] <RAOF_> You look like a man who wants to review a nouveau kernel source package!
[05:17] <crimsun> hmm, i think i mentioned looking at that. oops. ok, so maybe in ... 16-17 hours after work
[05:17] <nixternal> my "Effective Java" book has about put me to sleep...the mentioning of 'memory leaks', 'improper garbage-collection', 'unintentional object retentions', and 'obsolete references'...I can't take anymore of it tonight
[05:18] <RAOF_> crimsun: Was that aimed at me?  If so, cool.  I may have missed it with connectivity drops.
[05:19] <crimsun> RAOF_: yes, it was
[05:34] <ScottK> RAOF_: No.  Googling for something about -dev packaging landed me in that paragraph.
[05:35] <RAOF_> Heh.
[05:42] <StevenK> RAOF: How is Fremantle?
[05:52] <RAOF> StevenK: It was nice.
[05:53] <StevenK> Was? Blink.
[05:53] <RAOF> It turned out that we didn't actually want to buy anything, and rapidly ended up at Little Creatures.
[05:54]  * RAOF is in Sorrento, Perth.  Fremantle is some distance away.
[05:54] <RAOF> Little Creatures is awesome.  There should be a UDS there sometime :)
[05:55] <StevenK> Hehe
[06:01] <et3> j
[06:06] <et3> I updated the bug report on a new package and I need someone whom evaluates packages look over it.
[06:06] <et3> it can be found here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/307928
[06:18] <RAOF> md4sum?
[06:24] <et3> RAOF: yeah.  It's some other hashing style than md5sum.
[06:24] <et3> something for eDonkey or other...
[08:26] <iulian> G'morning.
[09:41] <cliffbreaker> hi everyone. I want to create ubuntu package but standard methods can't be applied to a program I want to package. It has an install script and no configure or makefile. Can anybody please advise me how to do that?
[09:46] <cliffbreaker> ???
[10:17] <quadrispro> hi! anyone on bug #309940?
[10:27] <sebner> quadrispro: you subscribed u-u-s 10 minutes ago so just wait ;) furthermore asking here is only ok if nobody sponsores it in the next days imho ;)
[10:30] <quadrispro> sebner: eheh, ok :D
[10:31] <sebner> quadrispro: regardin uck and menu file. Of course ubuntu does not use menu files *but* we also want to get new package not only in ubuntu but also in Debian ;)
[10:32] <quadrispro> sebner: ah! ok
[10:32] <quadrispro> sebner: please, add a comment to REVU to remember me that
[10:33] <sebner> quadrispro: sure
[10:33] <DktrKranz> quadrispro, uck is useful for Debian too?
[10:34] <quadrispro> mmm
[10:34] <quadrispro> I don't believe that...
[10:34] <sebner> ha
[10:34] <sebner> argh
[10:34] <sebner> xD
[10:34]  * sebner is deleting his comment
[10:35] <sebner> quadrispro: you might want to wait with your merge btw, see bug #296466
[10:36] <quadrispro> ah! sure
[10:38] <RainCT> quadrispro: openbox uses menu files by default
[10:38] <RainCT> even on Ubuntu
[10:40] <quadrispro> ok, if it's a problem, UCK will contain a menu file :)
[10:47] <TheSheep> Hello, I was wondering how to use the https://launchpad.net/packaging
[10:47] <TheSheep> I can;t figure it out
[10:48] <quadrispro> RainCT, sebner:  what do you think about the note I've added to debian/copyright on the debian dir provided by upstream?
[10:49] <quadrispro> I've added it to both changelog and copyright
[10:50] <Hobbsee> TheSheep: you'll probably have to talk to whoever imported it.  doesn't look like an ubuntu thing, as such?
[10:51] <TheSheep> I was hoping somebody here might be using it :)
[10:51] <TheSheep> thanks
[10:51] <RainCT> quadrispro: link?
[10:52] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:52] <sebner> Hobbsee: \o/
[10:53] <sebner> RainCT: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=uck
[10:54] <Hobbsee> heya sebner!
[10:54] <RainCT> quadrispro: providing a get-orig-source rule in debian/rules would be better (unless you know that it won't be necessary anymore with the next version)
[10:54] <sebner> Hobbsee: mind sponsoring to things to main? (2 uploads, gnomelib rebuilds)
[10:55] <sebner> *two
[10:56] <RainCT> is anyone here interested in dovecot?
[10:56] <quadrispro> RainCT: bhe, with the next version it will be unnecessary
[10:57] <RainCT> quadrispro: okay, I can live without a get-orig-source then ;P
[10:58] <quadrispro> oh, good for you! :D
[10:59] <RainCT> heh
[11:21] <elmargol> Is there an easy way to include .deb files to pbuilder?
[11:37] <elmargol> I get this pbuilder problem any Ideas? http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m61388dcf
[11:43] <RainCT> elmargol: you've to give it the .dsc, not the .changes
[11:47] <elmargol> RainCT: oops
[12:09] <POX> RainCT: (about screenruler) version in bzr repo and the one in Debian doesn't match
[12:10] <POX> I mean, except your patch
[12:10] <POX> f.e. the one in bzr has "Vcs-Browse:" field
[12:10] <POX> (missing "r")
[12:11] <POX> I will upload the Debian one with your patch taken from bzr
[12:11] <RainCT> POX: is the "r" the only difference?
[12:11] <POX> no
[12:13] <POX> also: Section: utils, new dependency (libgconf2-ruby) and some changes in .desktop file
[12:13] <RainCT> yep, I'm seeing
[12:16] <RainCT> ok, added all changes to bzr
[12:22] <POX> RainCT: btw, please add "RFS" tag in Subject if you want to have higher priority (procmail will move it to the Debian/RFS mailbox)
[12:22] <POX> see http://people.debian.org/~piotr/sponsor A3 for more details
[12:23] <RainCT> POX: okay, thanks
[12:24] <POX> lintian complains about NMU (you forgot to add your nick in the changelog)
[12:27] <RainCT> POX: damn, I thought I had already changed the maintainer field everywhere.. please use this http://paste.debian.net/24086/
[12:43] <POX> uploaded
[12:45] <RainCT> POX: thanks
[12:46] <RainCT> POX: can I request the unfreeze now or should I wait until it's build?
[12:48] <POX> it's arch:all so you can request now
[12:48] <RainCT> POX: and if it wasn't?
[12:49] <POX> you could request it as well :) (it would not propagate to testing if one of architectures will be missing)
[12:51] <POX> (but I would wait for all architectures before bothering RMs)
[13:01] <RainCT> POX: alright, send it :)
[13:04] <RainCT> *sent
[14:03] <sebner> emgent: \o/
[14:05] <emgent> hello sebner
[14:30] <sebner> emgent: is utu down?
[14:35] <emgent> sebner: yaserver down
[14:40] <sebner> emgent: kay
[16:02] <sebner> norsetto: \o/
[16:04] <norsetto> sebner: \o/
[16:04] <sebner> norsetto: btw, I've to admit that I'd have advocated uck before you've done your review. /me hides
[16:06] <norsetto> sebner,  why should you hide? you have done well, next one you will do even better ;-)
[16:08] <sebner> norsetto: sure but some more issues you found could have also been found by me :\  --> I know that nobody sees everything but this annoys me ^^
[16:10] <norsetto> sebner, I'm quite sure I missed something too, 4 eyes always see better than two. Thats why is always good to let others check your work
[16:14] <sebner> norsetto: sure but there are two class reviewers ;)
[16:15]  * pochu waves at sebner and norsetto :)
[16:15] <norsetto> sebner, too bad that got lost, otherwise I would have shown you my first package. scottk, persia and themuso shredded it to pieces :-)
[16:15] <sebner> pochu: \o/
[16:15] <norsetto> Hola pochu
[16:16] <pochu> ciao!
[16:26] <sebner> norsetto: ^^
[16:50] <quadrispro> DktrKranz: did you see my last change in uck?
[16:50] <quadrispro> DktrKranz: what do you think about the CC license that I've added to debian/copyright?
[17:00] <nhandler> doko__: ping
[17:01] <sebner> quadrispro: do you still work on ynet?
[17:02] <nhandler> Does anyone know if we will be getting python-central 0.6.8 in jaunty?
[17:02] <quadrispro> sebner: i'have to prepare a debdiff for gutsy and dapper...
[17:02] <quadrispro> sebner: why?
[17:05] <sebner> quadrispro: well, the last debdiffs are some days old and I thought you stopped maybe
[17:05] <sebner> nhandler: seems so
[17:06] <nhandler> sebner: Is there any estimated timeframe? I'm trying to decide if it is worth not uploading a merge where the only change is modifying the build-depends version for python-central
[17:06] <quadrispro> sebner: ah ok
[17:07] <sebner> nhandler: dunno, see last comments on bug #296466
[17:08] <nhandler> sebner: Ok, that comment was relatively recent. I'll tell the person to wait a few days and then request a sync
[17:09] <sebner> nhandler: \o/
[17:11] <nhandler> sebner: What should I set the status to for the merge? I was thinking of setting it to 'Incomplete' and telling them to convert it to a sync a request once the new python-central has been uploaded
[17:11] <sebner> nhandler: +1
[17:11] <sebner> nhandler: and unsubscripe u-u-s meanwhile
[17:12] <nhandler> Yeah, I know that ;)
[17:12] <sebner> ^^
[17:16] <quadrispro> sebner: bug 292696
[17:16] <sebner> quadrispro: I'm not a member of MOTU-SRU =)
[17:16] <sebner> annoy DktrKranz :P
[17:16] <quadrispro> sebner: everything works fine, yes, I know
[17:16] <cody-somerville> or me :]
[17:17] <sebner> heh
[17:17] <sebner> cody-somerville: but I want to be nice to you :D
[17:18]  * norsetto wonders if quadrispro has a weakness for packages which miss file as a deps :-/
[17:20] <cody-somerville> hehe
[17:30] <quadrispro> norsetto: lol
[17:30] <quadrispro> eh
[17:31] <quadrispro> bye folks!
[17:43] <nhandler> Is there a script in one of the dev tools packages to fetch the source files from the Debian PTS other than manually getting the dsc url and using dget?
[17:46] <jpds> There's a wishlist bug for something like that in u-d-t.
[17:47] <nhandler> jpds: I just made a basic perl script that should work.
[17:47] <nhandler> The only issue is, dget does not support piping it the URL of a dsc file. So right now, I have my script running dget inside the script itself
[17:48] <iulian> See bug 289141.
[17:48] <sebner> would be nice =)
[17:49] <nhandler> I didn't even know we had a pull-lp-source
[17:51] <iulian> nhandler: Well, there is no way to improve the script if you don't share it. ;)
[17:53] <nhandler> iulian: I'm going to improve my script so that it contains all of the features requested in the bug report. Right now, it only supports unstable. Then, I'll get it added to u-d-t
[17:53] <iulian> Awesome.
[18:08] <norsetto> nhandler, do you use page scraping or dak queries to retrieve the debian version?
[18:12] <nhandler> norsetto: Right now, I am using page scraping
[18:12] <nhandler> I have no experience with dak queries
[18:18] <norsetto> nhandler, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi
[18:19] <nellery> DktrKranz: Hi, are you planning on doing the jack-audio-connection-kit merge?
[18:21] <DktrKranz> hi nellery, please take it. Feel free to ping me for sponsorship (I'll be around for the next couple of hours).
[18:22] <nellery> DktrKranz: alright thanks!
[18:22]  * DktrKranz moves to dinner now... pizza time!
[18:25] <nhandler> norsetto: That is for Ubuntu. The script I am making is for Debian
[18:25] <iulian> Hmm, yummy yummy.
[18:25] <iulian> I... love pizza.
[18:25] <iulian> Oh, sorry. This is really off-topic here.
[18:26] <nellery> nixternal: Hi, why does bug #309915 need to be acked and subscribed to ubuntu-archive, when it is a merge?
[18:27] <ScottK> nhandler: Look at requestsync if you want to see how to get package info out of Debian.
[18:28] <nixternal> nellery: probably because I was half asleep when I did that
[18:28] <nhandler> ScottK and norsetto: I think I'll stick with screen scraping for now. I can always modify it once I get a working script
[18:28] <norsetto> nhandler: yes, so what? That gives you info on how to use it, then the debian url its just another one
[18:28] <nixternal> I was doing syncs at one point and grabbed that as it hit my inbox 10 minutes before passing out :)
[18:29] <ScottK> nhandler: Your work, so your call, but generally I find it works better to get the fundamentals right first.
[18:29] <nellery> nixternal: ah, well I just noticed that I forgot to include the bug number in debian/changelog
[18:29] <nellery> updating it now...
[18:30] <nixternal> update the patch and tell me and I will upload it for you :)
[18:30] <nixternal> sorry
[18:30] <norsetto> nhandler, just as an example: curl -s "http://qa.debian.org/madison.php?package=gnome-mplayer&a=source&c=&s=unstable&text=on"
[18:30] <nellery> no problem
[18:30] <cody-somerville> Is there a revu admin around?
[18:32] <jpds> cody-somerville: More or less, what's up?
[18:32] <norsetto> nhandler, if you use perl there is no need to use curl of course, just use LWP::Simple (or LWP::UserAgent)
[18:32] <cody-somerville> jpds, I can't seem to merge my cody-somerville@ubuntu.com account with my new launchpad account
[18:32] <cody-somerville> jpds, and my launchpad account has me as a contributor
[18:33] <nellery> nixternal: updated with fixed changelog
[18:33] <jpds> cody-somerville: Hmm, I'm not sure how the merging stuff works.
[18:33] <cody-somerville> jpds, it says there is no account yet when I try to retrieve my password
[18:33] <cody-somerville> jpds, but my old account shows up on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/stats.py
[18:36] <nixternal> nellery: uploaded..thankss!
[18:36] <nellery> nixternal: thank you!
[18:36] <nixternal> ls
[18:36] <nixternal> err, wrong window :)
[18:38] <jpds> cody-somerville: I think your best bet would be asking RainCT.
[18:39] <cody-somerville> RainCT, ping
[18:41] <RainCT> cody-somerville: pong
[18:41] <jpds> RainCT: Please see above.
[18:42]  * RainCT has just come back and reads the log
[18:43] <RainCT> cody-somerville: so.. why doesn't it work? :P
[18:44] <cody-somerville> RainCT, "[13:33] <cody-somerville> jpds, it says there is no account yet when I try to retrieve my password"
[18:45] <RainCT> yes, but I don't know why :P
[18:46] <RainCT> cody-somerville: it says you have no account or it says "incorrect e-mail address or password"?
[18:46] <cody-somerville> "There is no REVU account for "cody-somerville@ubuntu.com", yet."
[18:47] <RainCT> cody-somerville: that's in the password recovery?
[18:48] <cody-somerville> yup
[18:49] <RainCT> cody-somerville: OK, found the problem. You have 2 accounts with the same address, so REVU thinks there is something strange and aborts :P
[18:49] <cody-somerville> fun fun
[18:50] <nellery> DktrKranz: Hi, I uploaded the jack-audio-connection-kit merge at bug #310039
[18:51] <cody-somerville> RainCT, can youz fix me?
[18:51] <RainCT> cody-somerville: Already fixed it... Once Launchpad decides to stop being slow I'll be able to update production :P
[18:51] <RainCT> cody-somerville: ok, try now
[18:53] <cody-somerville> There is no REVU account for "cody-somerville@ubuntu.com", yet.
[18:53] <RainCT> bah
[18:55] <skorasaurus> hi, im building my first package and i'm trying to figure out how to verify what the required packages are.
[18:55]  * skorasaurus is building this package from source
[18:55] <RainCT> ah, missed something
[18:56] <cody-somerville> While I wait, would anyone like to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sion - it is a nifty gvfs mount manager! :)
[18:57] <RainCT> cody-somerville: now it *does* work ;)
[18:57] <cody-somerville> w0t
[18:57] <cody-somerville> w00t
[18:58] <cody-somerville> RainCT, "Incorrect e-mail address or password"
[18:58] <RainCT> cody-somerville: NEWS is empty, why do you install it?
[18:58] <RainCT> (debian/docs)
[18:58] <RainCT> I'd also leave the README out
[18:59] <cody-somerville> README isn't empty...
[18:59] <RainCT> cody-somerville: but it does only contain installation instructions (and the "how to run it" which is stupid :P)
[18:59] <cody-somerville> RainCT, upstream ships it so I might as well install it, noes? :P
[19:00] <RainCT> upstream ships a source package, we a binary package
[19:00] <RainCT> "priority: extra" - any reason or did you just forget to change it?
[19:00] <cody-somerville> And README is useful to the end user... it has his e-mail address so they can complain to him :P
[19:00] <RainCT> cody-somerville: it should be in debian/copyright as well
[19:00] <RainCT> and perhaps even in the manpage
[19:00] <cody-somerville> RainCT, indeed
[19:02] <cody-somerville> RainCT, just forgot
[19:04] <RainCT> cody-somerville: REVU complains: This package has no debian/watch file or get-orig-source rule.
[19:04] <cody-somerville> RainCT, there can't be a watch file since I have no idea how he'll release his first tarball
[19:04] <RainCT> ah, it's SVN
[19:04] <RainCT> so there could be a get-orig-source
[19:05] <RainCT> but this does not really worry me
[19:06] <RainCT> cody-somerville: I think it's required to close a LP bug
[19:07] <RainCT> cody-somerville: beside those little things it looks fine to me on a first glance (and I wouldn't have expected less :))
[19:07] <cody-somerville> RainCT, it isn't required to close an LP bug
[19:09] <cody-somerville> Well thank you :)
[19:10] <RainCT> cody-somerville: «When the package clears the NEW queue it will automatically be set to Fix Released (debian/changelog must close the needs-packaging bug)»
[19:10] <RainCT> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[19:10] <cody-somerville> RainCT, there is no needs-packaging bug
[19:11] <cody-somerville> If there were one, then I would be required to close it in the changelog
[19:11] <RainCT> that's not what I've heard before
[19:11] <RainCT> but I don't mind if there's a bug or not, neither ;P
[19:12] <cody-somerville> Well, I'll file one just so I can get some karma then :P
[19:12] <RainCT> heh
[19:12] <RainCT> Master ScottK, what do you say?
[19:18] <cody-somerville> RainCT, I'm going to opt to leave NEWS in there so incase someone updates the package they don't have to remember to look and see if NEWS has content yet or not
[19:54] <skorasaurus> hi, im building my first package and i'm trying to figure out how to verify what the required packages are.
[19:54] <jpds> skorasaurus: You have to build it with pbuilder or something, and see where it fails.
[19:54] <skorasaurus> jpds, i'm building it from source right now.
[19:55] <jpds> skorasaurus: Repeat until all build dependencies are met and it builds.
[19:55]  * skorasaurus is following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[19:55] <jpds> skorasaurus: With pbuilder?
[19:55] <skorasaurus> i'm using debuild
[19:56] <jpds> You should build it in a clean chroot environment with pbuilder.
[19:56] <skorasaurus> not debuild ?!
[19:56]  * skorasaurus is confused.
[19:56] <jpds> skorasaurus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Intro/Pbuilder
[19:57] <jpds> skorasaurus: And https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto is useful too.
[19:57]  * jpds -> supper. Back soon.
[19:57] <skorasaurus> if i understand correctly, I could use either pbuilder or debuild to build a package, should i start over and use pbuilder instead then ?
[20:12] <jmarsden> skorasaurus: Use both -- debuild runs using your local PC setup, pbuilder runs debuild but in a chrooted environemtn designed to make sure you have specified your dependencies correctly.
[20:13] <skorasaurus> well, i started out with debuild right now.
[20:13] <jmarsden> skorasaurus: How long does your package take to build???
[20:13] <skorasaurus> thanks jmarsden, for responding. =)
[20:13] <skorasaurus> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Packaging%20From%20Scratch
[20:13] <skorasaurus> almost a minute or two. then I receive a couple errors.
[20:14] <jmarsden> OK, well, then its trivial to run debuild and then (when that works!) check it in pbuilder.
[20:14] <skorasaurus> trivial, that means, i should run debuild first, correct?
[20:15] <jmarsden> Once it works in pbuilder you can upload to your PPA and see if the build systems can build it OK there, too.  But don't do that until it defiitely builds OK in a pbuilder.
[20:15] <jmarsden> debuild first only because ti is quicker to run than pbuilder, yes.
[20:15] <skorasaurus> but i should have it successfully build in debuild first ?
[20:15] <skorasaurus> k.
[20:15] <jmarsden> It saves time waiting for pbuilder to find sily mistakes, so that's how I do it... either way works.
[20:15] <skorasaurus> that's what i thought.
[20:16] <skorasaurus> and since im building from source, the directions for pbuilder required you to apt-get the source.
[20:16] <skorasaurus> and the package doesn't exist in the repositories yet.
[20:17] <skorasaurus> (but it is in response to a filed bug on lp, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/107927
[20:18] <skorasaurus> so, right now, i'm trying to figure out what to replace Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} with.
[20:18] <jmarsden> Just delete them, usually.
[20:18] <crimsun> um
[20:19] <jmarsden> Then if it fails you can figure out what should be there.  There may be a better way?
[20:19] <skorasaurus> i know that, what to replace them with though, shouldn't i put in the packages that it requires.
[20:20] <jmarsden> Yes, if you know what it depends on.
[20:20] <crimsun> it's generally a bad idea to rip out ${shlibs:Depends}
[20:21] <jmarsden> OK.
[20:22] <skorasaurus> jmarsden, but i wasn't sure what it depends on.
[20:22] <skorasaurus> for example, the original developer's readme said it depends on sdl, but there are several sdl packages that i had already installed in the repository.
[20:23] <CarlFK> so if I am just building packages to install on my own system, dpkg-buildpackage is more appropriate then pbuilder, right?
[20:23] <crimsun> dpkg-buildpackage is almost always called regardless of tool
[20:25] <crimsun> skorasaurus: if it's that general, you should not touch ${shlibs:Depends}
[20:25] <crimsun> skorasaurus: if you have debhelper installed, please man dh_shlibdeps
[20:26] <crimsun> (otherwise you can just man dpkg-shlibdeps)
[20:30] <skorasaurus> crimsun, k
[20:32] <nhandler> What are valid debian components for dak?
[20:32] <CarlFK> I can't find the 'setting up a local repo' wiki/help page I saw once.  anyone know it?
[20:33] <CarlFK> I am trying to fix someone elses, and I think I need to create Release.gpg but I am not sure what that should be
[20:33] <nhandler> norsetto: ping
[20:38] <CarlFK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Personal good enough
[20:56] <serialorder> anybody care to share their thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/308302
[20:59] <norsetto> nhandler, pong
[21:00] <norsetto> nhandler, there are few ideas in my bash script that you may want to use btw
[21:11] <nhandler> norsetto: This is what I have so far: http://paste.ubuntu.com/89479/. I still need to do some more testing and clean up the code
[21:13] <nhandler> norsetto: Slightly modified version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/89481/
[21:15] <norsetto> nhandler, I'm going through it, you may want to add experimental to the list
[21:16] <nhandler> norsetto: I knew I was forgetting something. Is there a codename for experimental?
[21:17] <norsetto> nhandler, not that I know
[21:17] <norsetto> nhandler, you need to escape any package name that contains a + sign (like gtk+2.0)
[21:21] <norsetto> nhandler, you may want to predate dget instead of using it in a system call, its in perl
[21:22] <norsetto> nhandler, I'm checking why it doesn't work btw, doesn't dget on my machine
[21:25] <nhandler> Here is an updated version. I didn't change the dget stuff though: http://paste.ubuntu.com/89489/
[21:27] <norsetto> nhandler, ok, looks good, but the error messages are quite cryptic
[21:28] <nhandler> norsetto: What error message did you get? Most of them should never end up getting displayed to the end user
[21:29] <norsetto> nhandler, for instance, I just typed "pds fuma testing" (real error, I wanted  pds duma testing) and I got "No madison Passed to getDSC:"
[21:33] <norsetto> nhandler, you could change the if(!$releases{$release}) with an unless (I think more elegant)
[21:37] <nhandler> norsetto: Changes made. You shouldn't get the No madison error any more. I also added the unless: http://paste.ubuntu.com/89495/
[21:39] <CarlFK> apt-get build-dep transcode...Package liba52-dev is a virtual package provided by:   liba52-0.7.4-dev 0.7.4-11ubuntu1
[21:39] <CarlFK> is 0.7.4-11ubuntu1 really the package name?
[21:42] <norsetto> nhandler, would't be better to use the basename instead of the whole path in the usage?
[21:44] <nhandler> norsetto: It uses $0 to determine what is displayed. If you run it with the whole path, it will display the whole path. If you run ./pull-debian-source it will just show that
[21:45] <norsetto> nhandler, yes, but I have it in my local bin, I invoke it with its name only and of course I get the whole path
[21:46] <norsetto> nhandler, would do the same it if was in /usr/bin (reporting /usr/bin/pull-debian-source)
[21:47] <nhandler> norsetto: Fine, I'll hard code the file name into the script
[21:47] <nhandler> I just think it will look a little weird if you rename the script to foo and the script has bar coded into the message
[21:49] <norsetto> nhandler, yes, thats why I said use basename() (you need File::Basename)
[21:51] <jreinhardt> Hi everybody. I just went through the review (thanks nhandler) for my first package (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=pgfplots) and fixed all the things. Perhaps someone can look if I did everything right.
[21:55] <norsetto> nhandler, you need to add libwwww-perl and perl-modules as deps of course
[21:56] <nhandler> norsetto: Yeah, but I can't do that until I add this to u-d-t. I'm doing the basename part now
[21:56] <nhandler> jreinhardt: I'll look at it again tomorrow. I want to get this script done before I leave for a holiday party
[21:56] <jreinhardt> thanks
[21:57] <jreinhardt> and enjoy your party :)
[21:58] <nhandler> norsetto: Here it is with File::Basename: http://paste.ubuntu.com/89502/
[21:58] <norsetto> nhandler, cool, enjoy your party!
[21:59] <nhandler> Thanks norsetto. I still have at least an hour before I need to leave though
[21:59]  * nhandler is going to create a u-d-t branch and add his script
[21:59] <norsetto> nhandler, please do, its a cool script and a nice addition
[21:59] <CarlFK> sudo aptitude build-dep transcode did its thing. so why do I get: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgtk1.2-dev liblzo-dev dpatch
[22:00] <nhandler> norsetto: Should I just leave it in a branch, or should I push it to trunk?
[22:00] <CarlFK> this is on a jaunty box... so that maybe the reason
[22:00] <norsetto> nhandler, push it to trunk
[22:00] <nhandler> :)
[22:02] <nhandler> Do you know if File::Basename is included with perl?
[22:02] <norsetto> nhandler, its in perl-modules which is a dep of perl
[22:02] <norsetto> nhandler, still, I like to have an explicit dep (same for LWP btw, its in libwww-perl which is a dep of devscripts)
[22:03] <norsetto> nhandler, my golden rule is to never rely on other packages dragging in the deps I need
[22:05] <CarlFK> norsetto: so when packages get consolidated... i get to figure out why there is a dep that no longer exists... *grumble*
[22:05] <norsetto> nhandler, btw, if you don't succeed in predating dget, remember that the system call should have separated arguments
[22:06] <norsetto> CarlFK, no, so that when somebody else f* it up, my packages are not affected
[22:06] <nhandler> norsetto: What error do you get when it tries to run dget?
[22:06] <norsetto> nhandler, no error
[22:07] <norsetto> nhandler, its fine now, after you changed from ftp.de though
[22:07] <CarlFK> so it breaks when things are ok, but not when thing's are broken.. um... that 'might' be good...
[22:07] <norsetto> CarlFK, what is it that break?
[22:08] <CarlFK> "when somebody else f* it up,"
[22:08] <nhandler> Ok. One last question, should I add a changelog entry to debian/changelog? Or will the person who pushes it to the repos add an entry?
[22:08] <norsetto> CarlFK, no, "when  things are ok" !?
[22:09] <norsetto> nhandler, add it in your name and you keep the suite as UNRELEASED
[22:09] <CarlFK> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&keywords=python-aptsources
[22:09] <CarlFK> I just had to figure out why there was no ibex version
[22:10] <nhandler> norsetto: What about the version?
[22:10] <norsetto> nhandler, bump it
[22:14] <norsetto> nhandler, btw, you might as well use an exec instead of a system
[22:15] <nhandler> norsetto: What is the difference?
[22:15]  * nhandler is working on adding a manpage
[22:16] <norsetto> nhandler, you don't need to fork and wait
[22:24] <cody-somerville> Does anyone want to quickly review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sion before I upload?
[22:34] <norsetto> cody-somerville, priority for the dbg package should be extra (thx lintian)
[22:36] <cody-somerville> ah, good catch. I forgot to run lintian against the dbg package
[22:36] <norsetto> cody-somerville, comment in desktop file is not in accordance with the Gnome GUI
[22:37] <cody-somerville> norsetto, I'll be sure to file a bug with the upstream
[22:38] <norsetto> cody-somerville, I think you should add gnome-icon-theme as a dep since your package requires the gtk-network icon to be present
[22:39] <norsetto> cody-somerville, a watch file would be nice of course
[22:39] <cody-somerville> norsetto, okay.
[22:39] <cody-somerville> norsetto, I dunno why gnome-icon-theme isn't named gtk-icon-theme
[22:39] <nhandler> norsetto: I pushed it to my branch: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~nhandler/ubuntu-dev-tools/nhandler. It should show up in a little bit. I'll push it to trunk when I get back from the party
[22:40] <cody-somerville> norsetto, ah, its supplied by tango as well
[22:40] <cody-somerville> and tangerine
[22:41] <cody-somerville> and a number of icon themes
[22:41] <cody-somerville> I think gtk-network is just a standard icon name
[22:41] <norsetto> cody-somerville, it is, but how to make sure that there is at least one?
[22:42] <cody-somerville> norsetto, if you don't have an icon theme installed, can it not be assumed you don't want icons? ;]
[22:42] <cody-somerville> norsetto, plus, adding that as a dependency or recommends or w/e could result in me pulling in icon themes into Xubuntu I don't want
[22:42] <norsetto> cody-somerville, thats the case in my case :-) But I'm quite sure somebody will issue a bug report complaining that the entry in the menu doesn't have an icon .....
[22:43] <ScottK> cody-somerville: Is there a xfce icon theme you could have as an alternate recommends?
[22:44] <cody-somerville> ScottK, Sure but I don't think its standard practise to depend on specific icon themes because a package's desktop file uses a fd.o complaint icon name
[22:44] <cody-somerville> Infact, I think the whole point is to that we can assume it'll Just Work (TM) as long as the icon theme you are using fully supports the fd.o standard.
[22:45]  * ScottK wonders if there should be some icon theme virtual package along the lines of mail-transport-agent.
[22:45] <norsetto> cody-somerville, any way you can superseed the gtk2.0+.pc file which drags tons of not needed depends?
[22:46] <cody-somerville> norsetto, Although it isn't using those libs yet, I imagine they are going to as the the README specifies them as dependencies
[22:47] <norsetto> cody-somerville, ahhhh, its some kind of pre-alpha stuff ... hmmm
[22:47] <cody-somerville> ScottK, like a: Provides: free-desktop-icon-theme or something?
[22:47] <norsetto> cody-somerville, *cough* are you sure we absolutely need it *cough*
[22:47] <ScottK> Yes.  Something like that.
[22:48] <ScottK> Dunno though.  Just a thought.
[22:48] <cody-somerville> norsetto, need the package or the dependencies?
[22:50] <norsetto> cody-somerville, the package
[22:51] <cody-somerville> norsetto, Absolutely. Its a specification targeted for Jaunty :)
[22:51]  * ScottK grumbles the last time he heard that it was for cruft cleaner.
[22:52] <cody-somerville> Anyhows, I'm going to push to jaunty now with your catch norsetto about the priority of the dbg package
[22:53] <norsetto> cody-somerville, the makefile reports the version as being 0.0.1 btw (not that it is important)
[22:53] <cody-somerville> norsetto, yup
[22:54]  * cody-somerville does one last test build before uploading.
[22:54]  * ScottK would also (generically, haven't looked at this package) on last grep -ir copyright * over the source too.
[22:57]  * norsetto thinks he will glide toward his bed soon
[23:01]  * norsetto also thinks that reading debian m.l./planet debian is much better than watching soap operas (and there is less publicity too)
[23:16]  * norsetto leaves for good
[23:21]  * ScottK hopes he means for today only.
[23:27] <serialorder> my ppa is broken =( anyone know who I should contact?
[23:29] <Hobbsee> serialorder: #launchpad
[23:29] <serialorder> Hobbsee,thanks
[23:29] <Hobbsee> serialorder: you're welcome