[00:00] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> if I transfer the HD to this computer
[00:00] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> xubuntu runs perfectly
[00:00] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> just doesn't like the other PC
[00:00] <PsynoKhi0> USB HD?
[00:00] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> nope
[00:00] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> IDE
[00:01] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> the other PC wouldn't accept USB to boot from
[00:01] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> so transfered the hd over
[00:01] <charlie-tca> Use the same cable?
[00:01] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> disabled the main HD of this PC, then installed
[00:01] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> no
[00:01] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> I'll try another cable
[00:01] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> got a few hanging about
[00:02] <PsynoKhi0> you installed on one PC and transfered to the other keeping the same config on different hardware?
[00:02] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> yes
[00:03] <PsynoKhi0> well...
[00:04] <PsynoKhi0> how old is the PC that keeps crashing?
[00:05] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> about 4 years
[00:05] <PsynoKhi0> and the one you installed Xubuntu on?
[00:05] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> AMD athlon 12000+ 256mb PC2100 RAM
[00:05] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> thats about 1 1.5
[00:05] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> both installed with XP
[00:06] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> is it worth trying to get the disk burned
[00:06] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> and installing from that
[00:06] <PsynoKhi0> yup
[00:07] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> I'll try it again
[00:07] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> nero was being an arse when I tried burning it earlier
[00:07] <PsynoKhi0> I'm running Xubuntu 8.04 on a K6-2 500 with a PCI gfx card
[00:07] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> need to format the disk before hand??
[00:07] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> or will it install over the top
[00:08] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> I DL the latest one 8.10
[00:08] <Neff> hello
[00:08] <Neff> where do i setup a dial-up connection in xubuntu
[00:08] <Neff> i don't see the option in the network connections for modems
[00:08] <PsynoKhi0> no need to format, PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn
[00:09] <Neff> or after i install my modem driver do i need to restart connection manager?
[00:09] <PsynoKhi0> Neff: look for  "ppp" in Synaptics
[00:09] <Neff> well i'm installing kppp
[00:09] <Neff> it seems to have found my driver
[00:10] <PsynoKhi0> Neff: ok
[00:10] <Neff> it says "configuring alsa-driver-linuxant
[00:10] <Neff> is that right?
[00:10] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> have to admit I was impressed with ubuntu/xubuntu when I installed them prior
[00:10] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> connected straight through to the web with no issues at all
[00:10] <PsynoKhi0> Neff: not sure, never used dial-up :)
[00:11] <PsynoKhi0> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: one thing that could mess up is having your vid card proprietary drivers enabled
[00:11] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> no vid card
[00:11] <PsynoKhi0> especially if the new comp has PCI-E and the old one as AGP
[00:11] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> both spec computers are onboard graphics
[00:11] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> ah
[00:11] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> that is the case
[00:12] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> have been meaning to get a graphics card for this PC for quite a while
[00:12] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> it also needs a ram upgrade
[00:13] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> but money is never going spare for someting like that
[00:15] <PsynoKhi0> did you install from a live cd?
[00:15] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> no
[00:15] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> USB
[00:16] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> tried burning the CD
[00:16] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> but it wasn't booting on any of the PC's
[00:16] <PsynoKhi0> checked the md5sums first?
[00:16] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> ??
[00:17] <PsynoKhi0> md5 checksums, to ensure the Xubuntu installation your d/led wasn't corrupt
[00:18] <PsynoKhi0> btw, no need for nero to burn iso, there's a neat little freeware for windows taking care of just tat
[00:19] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> nero is being a bitch tonight anyway
[00:19] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> wont open up
[00:19] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> ok
[00:19] <PsynoKhi0> http://www.imgburn.com/
[00:19] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> got the checksums page from where I downloaded it
[00:20] <PsynoKhi0> when you asked about formatting the HD, is there only xubuntu on it?
[00:21] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> yes
[00:21] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> all xd3
[00:21] <PsynoKhi0> then yup, format it :)
[00:21] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> (I think that was the format anyway
[00:21] <PsynoKhi0> ext3?
[00:21] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> yeah
[00:21] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> thats the 1
[00:21] <PsynoKhi0> how big is the swap partition?
[00:22] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> 839mb
[00:22] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[00:22] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> 256mb of physical ram
[00:23] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> watching it on system monitor its usually running about 50% physical ram
[00:23] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> not touching the swap partition
[00:23] <PsynoKhi0> did you do a memtest?
[00:23] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> yes
[00:24] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> that came back fine
[00:24] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> passed all of them
[00:24] <PsynoKhi0> so xubuntu's running on the older system atm?
[00:24] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> BTW, thanks for the assistance. not at this very moment, its shut down
[00:25] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[00:25] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> but it was 20minutes ago
[00:25] <PsynoKhi0> np
[00:25] <PsynoKhi0> does it reboot spontaneously?
[00:25] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> yeah
[00:25] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> othertimes though it just freezes up
[00:27] <PsynoKhi0> do you get the GRUB menu at start up?
[00:28] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> yes
[00:29] <PsynoKhi0> so you can choose recovery mode?
[00:29] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> when it was the kernel 2.6.27.7 I did remove the "quiet splash" and put noapic in its place, and it ran a bit more stable that way
[00:29] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> yes
[00:29] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> but that tended to freeze up
[00:29] <PsynoKhi0> ah...
[00:29] <PsynoKhi0> good good
[00:30] <PsynoKhi0> noapic nolapic pci=noacpi
[00:30] <PsynoKhi0> those tend to help on older hardware
[00:30] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> it allowed me to download one of the linux updates
[00:30] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> but didn't keep it stable for a huge amount longer
[00:31] <PsynoKhi0> did it crash during update?
[00:31] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> yes
[00:31] <PsynoKhi0> uh oh
[00:31] <PsynoKhi0> don't bother, start fresh
[00:31] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> will do
[00:31] <moontiger> is it possible to ask a question about the default 8.10 theme?
[00:32] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> go on??
[00:32] <PsynoKhi0> no, this isn't a help channel
[00:32] <PsynoKhi0> :P
[00:32] <PsynoKhi0> j/k
[00:32] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> gonna have to make the colours on xchat stand out more
[00:32] <moontiger> he ok wow had me worried there for a minute
[00:32] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> swore that was you asking me....
[00:33] <PsynoKhi0> don't ask to ask, just ask :D
[00:33] <PsynoKhi0> whether you'll get an answer or not is another matter but...
[00:34] <skymebill> hello
[00:34] <PsynoKhi0> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: btw any dust build up in there?
[00:34] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> a bit
[00:34] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> got most of it out
[00:34] <PsynoKhi0> even the PSU?
[00:34] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> vacuum though
[00:34] <PsynoKhi0> oh
[00:34] <moontiger> ok so...
[00:34] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> ran it over the heatsink
[00:35] <moontiger> i have 8.04 and am happy with it mostly
[00:35] <moontiger> but the 8.10 has better nm and stuff
[00:35] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> its a newer heatsink than the computer anyway
[00:35] <moontiger> so i hear
[00:35] <moontiger> but i really dont like the default themes that come with it
[00:35] <PsynoKhi0> moontiger: better support for 3G modems AFAIK
[00:35] <skymebill> one ask...
[00:35] <skymebill>  i have a CORE 2 DUO E8400 with 4 gb ram... i need swap partition??
[00:36] <moontiger> so i'm prolly better staying with 8.04 then no?
[00:36] <PsynoKhi0> skymebill: desktop or laptop?
[00:36] <skymebill> desktop
[00:36] <Odd-rationale> moontiger: yeah, you can stay with 8.04. it is LTS.. so...
[00:36] <moontiger> ok cool thnx
[00:36] <moontiger> :)
[00:36] <Odd-rationale> skymebill: how big drive?
[00:36] <Odd-rationale> moontiger: what about the theme of 8.10 you don't like?
[00:36] <skymebill> 250gb
[00:37] <moontiger> Odd-rationale, it sounds dumb but the menu indicators ... the ">" things look so ugly
[00:37] <Odd-rationale> skymebill: swap wouldn't hurt... you will need it if you wnat to hibernate
[00:37] <PsynoKhi0> moontiger: change the Gtk theme
[00:37] <moontiger> can i make 8.10 look the same as 8.04?
[00:37] <Odd-rationale> moontiger: well. you can get the old gtk theme from 8.04 and use it in 8.10...
[00:37] <moontiger> i can?
[00:37] <PsynoKhi0> Settings, user interface
[00:38] <moontiger> i tried that but then i get diff colors
[00:38] <skymebill> Odd-rationale ok thanks :)
[00:38] <Odd-rationale> moontiger: you can probably find the theme in /usr/share/themes/
[00:38] <moontiger> ok cool thank you
[00:38] <moontiger> :)
[00:38] <PsynoKhi0> skymebill: is it a laptop computer?
[00:38] <Odd-rationale> skymebill: as you probably know, the swap parition/file should be bigger than your ram... at least 1.5*
[00:39] <Odd-rationale> PsynoKhi0: desktop ^
[00:39] <PsynoKhi0> ah crap sry missed the line
[00:39] <Odd-rationale> :)
[00:39]  * PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn bbonline in a few minutes
[00:40] <PsynoKhi0> well I have 2GB RAM, 1GB swap on  my desktop... it's almost a waste of disk space, butt hen again it depends on your usage
[00:41] <PsynoKhi0> I don't think I've seen it going over a few megs of swap usage
[00:41] <PsynoKhi0> 512MB swap on a desktop is fine for everyday use IMO
[00:42] <PsynoKhi0> and I keep on jabbering but no one answer my question... what about MY needs dangit? :P
[00:43] <PsynoKhi0> cat /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf <- anyone?
[00:44] <Odd-rationale> PsynoKhi0: what happenned to yours?
[00:44] <Odd-rationale> if i were on a ubuntu system, i would pastbin mine... but you can probably find one on the livecd...
[00:45] <PsynoKhi0> it's just a long line on my Xubuntu Hardy computer, but a long file on my main system with Ubuntu
[00:45] <PsynoKhi0> the xubuntu hardy old geezer can't get any IP from my ISP
[00:46] <PsynoKhi0> the /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.xxx.leases show the DHCP server IP to my former ISP, not quite right
[00:47] <PsynoKhi0> and unless they have locked my MAC addresses somehow I ca't see why the xubuntu box can't find it's way out
[00:48] <PsynoKhi0> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf on the xubuntu box has nothing but the "request ........." part
[00:48] <PsynoKhi0> all on a single line
[00:49] <Odd-rationale> well, i don't use dhclient, so can't help much there...
[00:49] <PsynoKhi0> argh don't go make coffe now!!!
[00:49] <PsynoKhi0> ah
[00:49] <Odd-rationale> you already tried dhclient -k eth0. or whatever the command is?
[00:49] <PsynoKhi0> -k? uh don't think so
[00:49] <Odd-rationale> i don't remember the exact command...
[00:50] <PsynoKhi0> -r ?
[00:54] <PsynoKhi0> bbl
[00:58] <r00tl> how do i fix the 'unable to resolve host MYHOSTNAME'
[00:59] <Odd-rationale> r00tl: can you ping say google.com for example?
[00:59] <Odd-rationale> ping -c 3 google.com
[00:59] <r00tl> negative.
[01:00] <Odd-rationale> is /etc/resolv.conf empty?
[01:00] <r00tl> `ping: unknown host google.com'
[01:00] <r00tl> no it has search Belkin, nameserver 192.168.2.1 domain MSHOME
[01:01] <Odd-rationale> r00tl: can you ping 74.125.45.100 ?
[01:01] <r00tl> this is a wired connection, cable is good tried on other PC
[01:03] <r00tl> says ping 74.125.45.100 56(84) bytes of data but nothing after indicating that it's working like normal
[01:04] <Odd-rationale> if you can't ping an ip address, then it is probably your connection...
[01:04] <r00tl> i recently changed the host name, but it seems via /etc/hosts, and resolv.conf that it's changed...so i don't see the issue.
[01:05] <r00tl> the file /etc/network/interfaces shows auto lo eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:05] <Odd-rationale> r00tl: are you using networkmanager?
[01:05] <Odd-rationale> does it say you are connected?
[01:06] <r00tl> terminal mostly.
[01:06] <r00tl> it says manual network configuration when i hover over it.
[01:07] <r00tl> if it's using DHCP, should roaming mode be turned on?
[01:07] <Odd-rationale> try "sudo dhclient -r eth0" then "sudo dhclient eth0"
[01:09] <r00tl> second is on DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 with intervals of 7, 13, 18
[01:10] <r00tl> no DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping
[01:10] <Odd-rationale> r00tl: obviously, your machine cannot connect to the router...
[01:11] <r00tl> so then it must be a setting if i can take the same cat6 cable and plug it into my lappy, and it works fine wired...
[01:12] <Odd-rationale> r00tl: can you revert the hostname change?
[01:12] <r00tl> i can go through history and look for the change...but what if i did it via network manager?
[01:13] <Odd-rationale> r00tl: well, i don't use network manager, so i can't really speak there...
[01:13] <r00tl> or applications>system>network
[01:27] <diginux> I just reinstalled xubuntu because I got a new harddrive, now my monitor is dim and the Fn key combo wont change the brightness, is there is an app to change laptop monitor brightness?
[01:28] <diginux> i see displayconfig-gtk isnt in intrepid..
[01:30] <R1cochet> check power manager
[01:30] <R1cochet> apps>settings>settings manager
[01:31] <R1cochet> screen saver> power mangagement
[01:31] <diginux> there is no power manager in the settings manager
[01:31] <diginux> ohh screen saver
[01:31] <R1cochet> yea
[01:31] <R1cochet> u can add it to apps>settings if u like
[01:32] <diginux> yeah, i did have it in ther ealready
[01:32] <diginux> im going to try to reboot
[01:32] <diginux> it didnt seem to take effect
[01:32] <diginux> ever since ibex my power settings have been really weird
[01:32] <R1cochet> did u check all the tabs?
[01:32] <diginux> like if i suspend my machine, then close the lid during the susend, the suspend doesnt finish until i open the lid again
[01:32] <diginux> i think there might be some buggy acpi issue going on
[01:33] <R1cochet> theres a fix 1 sec
[01:34] <R1cochet> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=585953
[01:35] <R1cochet> scroll down to jlovell_esd189's post towards the bottom
[01:35] <R1cochet> or u can get xscreensaver
[01:37] <R1cochet> havent used xscreensaver tho
[01:37] <R1cochet> but i know adding gnome-screensaver to auto started apps works
[01:38] <diginux> yay, brightness back
[01:38] <diginux> my guess is it got dimmed when i unplugged and just got stuck being dimmed
[01:38] <diginux> i use xf4lock
[01:38] <R1cochet> did u change options for running on battery?
[01:38] <diginux> which uses xscreensaver, right?
[01:38] <diginux> yeah, i changed the option
[01:38] <diginux> and rebooted
[01:38] <diginux> now time to unplug power and test
[01:38]  * PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn brb
[01:39] <diginux> cool, seems to still work
[01:39] <R1cochet> are u using gnome or xscreensaver?
[01:40] <diginux> R1cochet: i think its xscreensaver, i use xlock to lock my screen which uses xscreensaver, i think
[01:41] <R1cochet> did u install xscreen?
[01:41] <diginux> umm yes
[01:41] <diginux> i had to
[01:41] <diginux> so yeah, it probably uses that
[01:42] <diginux> which reminds me
[01:42] <diginux> xubuntu doesnt install xlock by default
[01:42] <diginux> which is weird
[01:42] <diginux> because xf4lock uses it
[01:42] <diginux> it should be dependent
[01:47] <diginux> now time to fix my hanging boot issue
[01:49] <digitalnorm> would xubuntu be a good environment for me to use so i can have more memoryfor audacity (which is dragging in ubuntu gnome)?
[01:50] <R1cochet> diginux: do u have screensaver matrixview in xscreensaver?
[01:50] <diginux> R1cochet: i might, but i always use blank, why do you ask?
[01:51] <R1cochet> because i have it on gnome-screensaver but it doesnt show in xscreensaver, and the file is still where it should be
[02:11] <Shaba1> hello can anyone tell me how I install something that cam in a bz2 file
[02:46] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> is it usual to have a black screen with the cursor on it for long periods during the instalation of xubuntu
[02:49] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> -bash: /usr/bin/groups: input/output error
[02:50] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[02:50] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> is that going to be a problem
[02:58] <ball> hello zoredache
[03:13] <xubuntu_newbie> anyone home???
[03:13] <diginux> yes
[03:14] <xubuntu_newbie> great
[03:14] <xubuntu_newbie> got an issue with printing an oo that i can find inforums...
[03:14]  * PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn is off, giving up on this linux lark for tonight
[03:15] <ball> yep
[03:15] <xubuntu_newbie> oo prints real smalll in top corner...preiview looks great...
[03:15] <xubuntu_newbie> my work around is to export as pdf and print in print preview mode ....then it prints full page...
[03:16] <xubuntu_newbie> testprint on printer looks good...
[03:16] <xubuntu_newbie> anyone hear of something similar...
[03:16] <ball> first thought off the top of my head is that the printer's in a higher resolution mode than the software thinks ...and everything's being printed as graphics for some reason.
[03:16] <ball> ...perhaps.
[03:17] <xubuntu_newbie> how would i ck that...newbie to linux...
[03:18] <xubuntu_newbie> printer installed in cups
[03:18] <ball> No idea.  I'm somewhat new to Linux myself.
[03:18] <xubuntu_newbie> setting says ¨normal¨ print
[03:21] <xubuntu_newbie> well...guess I´ll keep looking elsewhere....nite
[03:24]  * ball shrugs
[03:27] <Guest18134> hello
[03:27] <ball> hello
[03:29] <Guest18134> I'm looking for an advanced user with way too much patience to help with a VIA driver install. I am three days into ever using ubuntu or any linux os for that matter
[03:29] <Shaba1> welcome
[03:29] <Shaba1> new linux user myself
[03:30] <Guest18134> thanks :)
[03:30] <ball> What device are you having trouble with?
[03:30] <Shaba1> as of about 3 weeks agaon
[03:30] <Guest18134> my video/audio chipset
[03:30] <ball> Which VIA board?
[03:30] <Shaba1> that is going to be a problem
[03:30] <Guest18134> hmm chrome 9
[03:31] <Shaba1> I have the via/s3 chip myself and I had a heck of a time finding a driver
[03:31] <Shaba1> try www.openchrome.org
[03:31] <Shaba1> I wish I could tell you all the things I had to do to get it to work
[03:31] <Shaba1> but it was a struggle and a blur
[03:31] <Guest18134> hehe
[03:31] <ball> People in #unichrome may be able to help with the X driver
[03:31] <ball> ...or in X.org
[03:31] <ball> #xorg I mean
[03:32] <Shaba1> and it still does not do opengl well
[03:32] <Shaba1> blender looks sick on it
[03:32] <Guest18134> tried xcorg can get it to go pas the keyboard stuff
[03:32] <ball> Shaba1: are you using open source drivers?
[03:32] <Shaba1> the ones I got from that site I mentined
[03:32] <Shaba1> mentined
[03:33] <Shaba1> but I had a heck of a time getting them installed
[03:33] <Guest18134> I only have the drivers that come with the xubuntu distro
[03:33] <ball> Shaba1: okay, that'll be the open source driver
[03:33] <Guest18134> 8.10
[03:33] <ball> I'm told it works best with the older VIA chipsets, at least if you want 3D support
[03:34] <Shaba1> I am not going to risk it.
[03:34] <Guest18134> I did find the uncompiled drivers at via but have no idea how to implement them or should I try a package from openchrome
[03:35] <Shaba1> I took me forever to get beyond a 640X480 screen
[03:35] <Guest18134> that's where I'm at
[03:35] <Shaba1> if it ain't broke do not try to fix it
[03:35] <Guest18134> no sound either
[03:36] <Guest18134> where do I enter in the info to register my nic ball?
[03:36] <ball> Guest18134: try /msg nickserv help
[03:37] <Guest18134> in the terminal?
[03:37] <ball> Guest18134: you still haven't told us your board.
[03:37] <ball> Guest18134: in your irc client
[03:37] <Guest18134> oh how would I determine that
[03:37] <ball> Guest18134: Not a computer you built then?
[03:37] <Guest18134> nope
[03:38] <ball> I forget that people buy computers whole
[03:38] <Guest18134> everex stepnote
[03:38] <Guest18134> I dont intend to again lol
[03:38] <ball> okay, give me a minute to fire up my Web browser
[03:38] <Guest18134> it's the one with all of the via stuff rather than the intel chipset
[03:39] <ball> I need a model number too
[03:39] <ball> (printed on the bottom?)
[03:39] <Guest18134> zonbu
[03:40] <ball> That's a model number?!
[03:41] <ball> Ah, that's got a C7 in it I think
[03:41] <ball> hello mschemerii
[03:42] <ball> Guest18134: do you have a manual for it?
[03:42] <Guest18134> nope
[03:42] <Guest18134> but I can look up the hardware in it
[03:43] <ball> Yeah... need model numbers
[03:43] <ball> (e.g. CLE266(
[03:43] <ball> ))
[03:43] <Guest18134> Graphics: VIA Chrome9 HC IGP
[03:44] <Guest18134> VIA C7-M
[03:44] <Guest18134> hmm
[03:44] <ball> Guest18134: what chipset though?
[03:44] <Guest18134> I could crack it open and take a look at the board?!?
[03:46] <diginux> what does lspci say
[03:47] <Guest18134> lspci?
[03:47] <diginux> Guest18134: do you know how to open a terminal?
[03:47] <diginux> if so
[03:47] <diginux> type lspci then enter
[03:47] <Guest18134> k
[03:47] <diginux> it will tell you all the devices attached to your computer
[03:49] <Guest18134> http://paste.ubuntu.com/88961/plain/
[03:49] <Guest18134> I think that should be it
[03:50] <Guest18134> hmm I think I need to fix a drink brb
[03:50] <ball> Okay, give me a minute to look up the unichrome info for that
[03:51] <Guest18134> k
[03:51] <diginux> mmm
[03:51] <diginux> i could use a drink
[03:52] <Guest18134> am back
[03:53] <Guest18134> I suggest it
[03:54] <Guest18134> I'm in seattle wa and we are having an Ice issue here right now everything is closed down
[03:54]  * ball nods
[03:54] <ball> I drove through an ice storm today too
[03:58] <ball> Guest18134: I'm asking in #unichrome, but haven't got an answer yet.
[03:59] <Guest18134> I think i've found the right drivers from via bu I dont know how to compile them or install them
[04:01] <ball> You probably shouldn't try
[04:01] <Guest18134> ok
[04:02] <Guest18134> hmm
[04:04] <ball> Guest18134: there's probably a binary package for it if it's not shipped by default with Xubuntu
[04:04] <Guest18134> ok I'm guessing then it's just finding the package?
[04:04]  * ball nods
[04:04] <ball> hang on
[04:05] <Guest18134> no worries I'm super patient the issue till now has been finding someone else who is hehe
[04:06] <ball> Oh, hang on, I've got that Synaptic thing
[04:06] <ball> Let me look in there.
[04:06] <cody-somerville> Guest18134, what is your problem?
[04:07] <Guest18134> trying to install via drivers for my audio video chipset
[04:08] <ball> cody-somerville: does Xubuntu ship with OpenChrome drivers?
[04:09] <cody-somerville> xserver-xorg-video-openchrome ?
[04:09] <cody-somerville> Xubuntu ships with it
[04:10] <Guest18134> I do still have the xubuntu cd I used to do my install
[04:14] <ball> cody-somerville: does he have to do anything special to activate it?
[04:15] <Guest18134> oh i found that in synaptic
[04:15] <Guest18134> hmm
[04:15] <Guest18134> let me know if that's the one I need to install
[04:15] <ball> If it's not installed, install it and reboot.
[04:16] <Guest18134> ok I'll log back in and let you know how it goes
[04:16] <ball> ok
[04:16] <ball> Good luck.
[04:18] <cody-somerville> ball, no, should just work
[04:19] <ball> Oh well, hopefully that'll work for him.
[04:25] <Guest53878> hello again
[04:25] <Guest53878> I still seem to be having trouble with the whole log on thing
[04:26] <Guest53878> it's the guy with the via issue
[04:27] <Guest53878> so I marked the open chrome package for re-installation and have applied and rebooted
[04:28] <Guest53878> still stuck with the bad res :(
[04:28] <ball> what's up with the log-on thing?
[04:28] <Guest53878> I'm not sure what I'm doing *blush
[04:31]  * ball sighs
[04:32] <ball> Where do you live?
[04:32] <Guest53878> seattle
[04:32] <Guest53878> wa
[04:32] <cody-somerville> Guest53878, My guess is that you need to do this:
[04:32] <cody-somerville> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[04:33] <Guest53878> copy and paste both lines into the terminal?
[04:35] <Guest53878> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[04:35] <Guest53878>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20081219203450
[04:37] <Guest53878> yeppers
[04:39] <Guest53878> hmmm
[04:40] <cody-somerville> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:41] <ball> This is pissing me off: I'm trying to mount my iPod in such a way that my ordinary user account can write to it.
[04:41] <cody-somerville> !ipod
[04:44] <ball> cody-somerville: I just want to mount the thing
[04:44] <ball> ...and then save files to it.
[04:44] <ball> it's vfat, but each of the folders on it shows up as 755
[04:44] <Odd-rationale> ball: how are you mounting?
[04:44] <Sinister`> ( System: Linux 2.6.27-9-generic on Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz )( Bogomips: 12553.11 )( Memory: total: 3260.7 MB used: 569.3 MB [||||||||||] )( Disks: total: 742.7 GB used: 40.9 GB [||||||||||] )( Uptime: 12h 45min 28s )( Load avg: 0.00 0.00 0.00 )( Vpenis: 238.4 cm )( eth0: Rx: 7.0 MB [38 B/s] Tx: 2.3 MB [35 B/s] )( CPU Temp: 27.0°C )
[04:44] <ball> mount -t vfat /dev/sdb2 /mnt/ipod
[04:44] <Odd-rationale> ball: as root?
[04:45] <Odd-rationale> (sudo)
[04:45] <ball> Odd-rationale: yes
[04:45] <Odd-rationale> ball: that's your problem...
[04:45] <Guest38286> hello all
[04:45] <ball> Xubuntu doesn't seem to want to let me run mount as me.
[04:45] <lu6cifer> Is there a way to disable the annoying icon appearance on the xubuntu desktop?
[04:45] <Odd-rationale> ball: try "pmount /dev/sdb2"
[04:45] <Odd-rationale> ball: might have to install pmount first...
[04:46] <ball> why doesn't mount work though?
[04:46] <Guest38286> cody that code sent me to black screen static
[04:46] <Guest38286> hehe
[04:46] <lu6cifer> I'm talking about how the text under the icons are all shaded
[04:46] <cody-somerville> Guest38286, oh wonderful
[04:46] <cody-somerville> Guest38286, try again but without the -phigh
[04:46] <Odd-rationale> ball: because you are running mount as root.
[04:46] <Odd-rationale> ball: pmount uses hal.
[04:46] <Guest38286> could you give me the first part again
[04:46] <ball> Odd-rationale: seems unneccesarily hard on Xubuntu.
[04:47] <cody-somerville> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:47] <ball> if I mount it as root, but grant ownership to ball, why wouldn't it work?
[04:47] <Odd-rationale> ball: thunar uses hal too... so you could use thunar as well...
[04:47]  * cody-somerville is going to go watch a movie, bbl
[04:47] <Odd-rationale> cody-somerville: see ya!
[04:48] <Odd-rationale> ball: how did you grant onership to ball?
[04:48] <ball> chown ball {everything in sight}
[04:48] <Odd-rationale> ball: no, it doesn't work that way...
[04:49] <Odd-rationale> use thunar or pmount
[04:49] <ball> Ugh.
[04:49] <ball> ok
[04:49] <ball> if I must
[04:50] <Guest38286> ok I ran xorg but was only asked about keyboard related things
[04:50] <Guest38286> never got to the video part
[04:50] <Guest38286> not sure why
[04:51] <ball> Guest38286: xorgconfig ?
[04:51] <Guest38286> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:52] <ball> Error: device /dev/sdb2 is not removable
[04:52] <Guest38286> ?
[04:52] <ball> Guest38286: that's not what I was suggesting
[04:52] <Guest38286> k
[04:53] <Guest38286> as for the open chrome package it is currently installed
[04:54] <ball> Guest38286: any improvement in your graphics?
[04:54] <Guest38286> nope still no other resolution options in display either :(
[04:55] <ball> Did you ask in #xorg?
[04:55] <Guest38286> um?
[04:56] <Guest38286> I'm not sure how I would go about that
[04:56] <ball> Guest38286: try "/join #xorg" in your irc client
[04:57] <Guest38286> k I'll give a try in there
[05:09] <Antwort> is anyone able to help me with a video problem?
[05:09] <Antwort> I have random green and black stripes in my display
[05:10] <Antwort> they just pop up and then go away
[05:11] <lu6cifer> is there a way to remove the weird desktop icon shading?
[05:12] <Antwort> which ubuntu you running?
[05:15] <lu6cifer> xubuntu
[05:15] <lu6cifer> you know what I'm talking about, though?
[05:16] <XFCEntral> lu6cifer, you mean that halo around the text?
[05:16] <lu6cifer> yea
[05:16] <XFCEntral> hmm
[05:18] <lu6cifer> do you think it's possible?
[05:19] <XFCEntral> lu6cifer: so far i havent seen a way to change it... but i may be mistaken
[05:21] <lu6cifer> oh well, it's not that important
[05:21] <XFCEntral> lu6cifer: sorry! :/
[05:22] <XFCEntral> lu6cifer: follow this link for instructions http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t573919.html
[05:23] <XFCEntral> that should solve it
[05:31] <Guest38286> .
[05:43] <Guest38286> hello
[06:13] <dios_mio> if i accidentally delete my taskbar, how can i bring it back?
[06:14] <diginux> dios_mio: look in the xfce settings manager
[06:14] <diginux> look at the panel manager
[06:15] <diginux> and use the + button to add a panel
[06:16] <dios_mio> thanks
[06:49] <roccity> identify faith1018
[06:49] <roccity> ls
[07:06] <Guest38286> hi ball
[07:06] <ball> hello
[07:06] <ball> does lspci mention anything to do with sound?
[07:08] <Guest38286> 04:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT1708/A [Azalia HDAC] (VIA High Definition Audio Controller) (rev 10)
[07:09] <ball> interesting
[07:09] <Guest38286> should it not be recognized if it's not working?
[07:10] <ball> No idea.
[07:10] <ball> Have you checked your mixer settings?
[07:11] <Guest38286> master pcm and digital are turned up all the way
[07:11] <ball> What about DAC?
[07:12] <Guest38286> I've tried testing with an audio cd and wmv off the net.. no sound for either
[07:12] <Guest38286> dac
[07:12] <Guest38286> not listed in the mixer.
[07:13] <Guest38286> the source btw is set to "stereo mixer"
[07:13] <ball> did you turn up the Do you have a slider for CD?
[07:14] <Guest38286> no cd slider
[07:14] <ball> Then it's not surprising you didn't have audio
[07:15] <ball> I have to go to bed now.  I can no longer keep my eyes open.
[07:16] <Guest38286> get some rest. thanks for your time tonight
[07:16] <ball> no problem.
[07:18] <ball> don't forget #ubuntu-us-wa
[08:46] <Sinister`> whats  npviewer.bin
[10:03] <Sinister`> anyone know that hp prtogram for scanning and printing with the all in one  ?
[11:18] <Aizawa> Holding down ALT+Clicking inside a window makes me able do drag around the window, but I want to disable this (Because it screws up playing games), how can I do that?
[11:18] <Aizawa> I've checked in keyboard settings where most of the shortcuts are, but couldn
[11:18] <Aizawa> couldn't find it
[11:33] <Aizawa> Someone please help
[11:36] <TheSheep> Aizawa: window manager tweaks in settings
[11:36] <Aizawa> awwright, thanks.
[11:37] <TheSheep> Aizawa: second tab (or third) iirc
[11:37] <Aizawa> okay
[11:37] <TheSheep> third
[11:52] <medoctron> hi, what do you think is the best burning program for xubuntu 8.10? i used k3b before, but i get an error when i try to install it
[11:55] <kurt> when i click on sound in setting manager i just get things to check no volume control
[11:57] <kurt> anybody... please?
[11:58] <medoctron> kurt: is it possible to change the device?
[11:59] <medoctron> and whats your sound device?
[12:00] <medoctron> <-- eating, will be back soon
[12:05] <kurt> via8235 but i don't know what that is
[12:19] <medoctron> back
[12:19] <medoctron> is it possible to select the device?
[12:19] <medoctron> in the list in settings
[12:22] <kurt> medoctron yes i can change to that device but in usefull controls i only have the option to check or uncheck.  no volume slider
[12:27] <kurt> i have no volume control
[12:45] <preston> ive tried sidux xfce and zenwalk and now xubuntu, it seems that xubuntu uses more ram than the other is that to be expected?
[12:45] <preston> but to me it feels just as fast and fluid
[12:49] <preston> anyone?
[12:52] <kurt> i have 500Mb ram 1500mhz processer it works fine don't know much about other distros
[12:55] <preston> sorry i dont mean it as a criticism kurt i was just looking for a xfce distro and was doing a bit of compare and contrast
[12:57] <TheSheep> preston: it's to be expected, xubuntu starts a lot of services just to make things work out of the box
[13:00] <kurt> TheSheep how can i tell what services i can shut down just to get a little extra
[13:01] <preston> understood thesheep it does feel the most full featured
[13:03] <kurt> preston: giving the only info i could i'm new to this
[13:03] <TheSheep> kurt: there are some howtos on the Net
[13:04] <TheSheep> kurt: for example, if you don't have a printer, you can stop cups
[13:04] <kurt> i uninstalled the printer packages
[13:05] <kurt> i'll check it later just thought i'd ask
[13:05] <TheSheep> I think from system->services, only dbus is critical
[13:05] <kurt> k thanks that helps
[13:06] <TheSheep> it's good idea to leave the logging and at least one scheduler daemon (anacron is lighter)
[13:06] <TheSheep> acpid is also a good thing to have enabled
[13:06] <preston> sorry i cant be of more help kurt stuff like thats still a bit beyond me and i wouldnt want to give bad advice
[13:07] <TheSheep> of course gdm if you want it to boot to graphical environment
[13:07] <TheSheep> although you can use other graphical managers, googling for 'replace gdm xubuntu' should help here
[13:08] <TheSheep> removing unused plugins from panels will help too
[13:08] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> at what point would you give up trying to install xubuntu
[13:08] <preston> thesheep does xubuntu use some gnome stuff as well which may make it a tad heavier
[13:08] <TheSheep> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: depends on the trouble you face
[13:08] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> I got it running badly (kept crashing)
[13:08] <kurt> can you tell me how to change the volume. i don't have that option in settings
[13:08] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> but that was by putting the hard disk in another maching and installing it
[13:08] <TheSheep> preston: pidgin uses some gnome libs, as well as listen
[13:09] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> then transfering the hard disk back
[13:09] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> tried using the boot disk, and it wont install
[13:09] <preston> kurt you should have a volume app in the upper right corner?
[13:09] <TheSheep> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: what did you have in logs when it crashed?
[13:09] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> I?O error
[13:09] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> *I/O
[13:10] <preston> bad burn maybe??
[13:10] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> though the PC froze up completely
[13:10] <TheSheep> kurt: you can right-click on the panel, select 'add item' and then drag-and-drop the volume control plugin somewhere  on your panels
[13:10] <kurt> nope :)
[13:10] <TheSheep> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: hardware problem then
[13:10] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> verified on the PC that burned it
[13:10] <TheSheep> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: ah, it froze during install?
[13:10] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> checked the disk on the other pc (check disk option)
[13:10] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> yes
[13:10] <TheSheep> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: verify on the same pc on which you tried to install
[13:10] <TheSheep> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: some old cd drives ave trouble reading cds burned with high speeds
[13:11] <TheSheep> have*
[13:11] <preston> kurt go to applications/settings/settings manager
[13:11] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> it was a DVD-RW
[13:11] <preston> volume should be there as well
[13:11] <kurt> TheSheep: thanks i didn't know i could do that
[13:11] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> thing that annoys me most, is I've had it running flawlessly on this PC
[13:12] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> the other one is an older PC maybe 4years old or so
[13:13] <preston> do cd iso's work on dvd-rw's?
[13:13] <TheSheep> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: try burning it with lower speed
[13:13] <TheSheep> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: yes
[13:13] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> AMD Athlon 1200+ 256MB PC2100 DDR RAM 20GB Seagate Barracuda HDD
[13:14] <kurt> preston: i tried that first and there was no volume control just check boxes
[13:14] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> hwereas the newer PC is
[13:14] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> AMD Athlon 64 3200+ (1.9GHz) 512MB PC3200 DDR RAM, 160GB HDD
[13:15] <preston> oops kurt your right
[13:20] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> the only thing is it booted of the CD first time
[13:20] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> but when I tried installing it it then started playing up
[13:24] <preston> thanks for the feedback guys im out for now
[13:26] <TheSheep> kurt: I think recompiling the kernel and only including the modules/drivers you really need would improve efficiency dramatically, but that's a very advanced topic
[13:28] <kurt> TheSheep: not ready for that
[13:28] <TheSheep> yeah
[13:29] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> should I download 8.04 instead, and see if that runs on the older PC??
[13:29] <TheSheep> it's more trouble than it's worth too, ram is cheaper than time ;)
[13:29] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> yeah
[13:29] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> I've put the last 2 days into trying to get this thing to run
[13:30] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> I plan on shoving 2GB into this machine, so will then shove the 512 stick into the other
[13:31] <TheSheep> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: you get the ioerrors when trying to run the installer from cd, or when trying to run xubuntu that you installed on other computer and then replaced the disk?
[13:31] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> though given the minimum requirements are supposed to be 128 would have expected it to be ok on 256
[13:31] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> from the CD
[13:31] <TheSheep> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: if it's the former, try burning thei nstall cd again, but with the lowest speed possible
[13:31] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> when I did it before it was just prone to crashing
[13:31] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> would run but occasionally froze up or spontaniously rebooted
[13:32] <TheSheep> well, prone to crashing doesn't really tell much, without the actual errors from the logs
[14:01] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> I found a few of the fault messages
[14:01] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> -bash: /usr/bin/groups: input/output error
[14:01] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[14:01] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> { 273.488689} Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempting to kill init!
[14:01] <TheSheep> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: ouch, sound like a corrupted disk
[14:01] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> -/init: line 231: cant open /root/dev/console: no such file
[14:01] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> { 273.488689} Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempting to kill init!
[14:01] <TheSheep> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: or some trouble with the disk controller
[14:02] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> and a whole list of of errors above which I didnt attempt to type out
[14:02] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> the thing that puzzles me is that the other hard disk worked in the other machine
[14:03] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> and the other machine rread and ran the XP disk from the 1 I'm using currently
[14:03] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> albeit very slowly
[14:04] <TheSheep> might be the cable or the controller
[14:04] <TheSheep> or some bios settings
[14:04] <TheSheep> or even incompatibility of the kernel with the disk controller, if you are really unlucky
[14:05] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> that sounds rather likely given how it works with the other machine
[14:05] <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> I tried suse 9.2 and had similar problems
[14:56] <cody-somerville> A Xubuntu Developer meeting will be starting in 5-7 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting. Everyone is welcome to join and participate.
[15:42] <lu6cifer> I'm running ubuntu with xfce desktop---whenever I start up ubuntu, it says something about starting up without administrative privileges, and then I close it, and synaptic starts up
[15:42] <lu6cifer> Any ideas how to fix this?
[15:45] <cody-somerville> hmm?
[15:47] <charlie-tca> You need to save a session with Synaptic not open
[15:48] <lu6cifer> But I don't have synaptic open, and I don't save sessions
[15:48] <charlie-tca> When you restart or shutdown, save the session. Synaptic will quit opening and the message will not appear
[15:49] <charlie-tca> synaptic starting up is what is giving the message about admin privileges
[15:52] <lu6cifer> ok
[15:52] <lu6cifer> I'll try that
[15:54] <lu6cifer> Thanks
[15:54] <lu6cifer> it worked
[15:54] <lu6cifer> but does what if I uncheck
[15:54] <lu6cifer> 'save session'
[15:54] <lu6cifer> will the message show up on future sessions?
[15:54] <charlie-tca> It won´t save the open windows on shutdown and restart if you uncheck it.
[15:54] <charlie-tca> If it is checked, it saves the open windows
[15:55] <charlie-tca> As long as you don´t have synaptic open when shutting down or restarting, it won´t give the message.
[15:56] <lu6cifer> ok
[16:32] <stevenw> anyone else have trouble with mouse themes?
[16:33] <stevenw> they seem not to work with swiftfox and my taskbar
[16:33] <stevenw> :-(
[16:45] <ElcMawr> hello... please can anyone tell me how to make xubuntu boot up in GUI mode? Perhaps I shouldn't have installed it in 'text only' mode, I don't know...
[16:46] <ElcMawr> basically, there's no window manager running
[16:46] <cody-somerville> ElcMawr, What are you presented with at boot?
[16:46] <ElcMawr> text login
[16:46] <cody-somerville> Are you at the computer right now?
[16:46] <ElcMawr> yes, just restarting
[16:47] <ElcMawr> i installed using 'text only' mode, does this refer to the installation, or the ultimate functioning?
[16:47] <cody-somerville> ElcMawr, Did you install with the Xubuntu alternative CD, Xubuntu desktop CD, or the Ubuntu Server CD?
[16:47] <ElcMawr> Alternative.
[16:48] <ElcMawr> i thought this one would work with the majority of awkward old laptops.
[16:48] <ElcMawr> ok it's booted up
[16:49] <ElcMawr> and just sits there in command line mode.
[16:51] <ElcMawr> i guess the 'alternate' installation was the wrong choice
[16:53] <cody-somerville> no
[16:53] <cody-somerville> It should work just fine
[16:53] <cody-somerville> Can you login?
[16:57] <ElcMawr> yes, have done that.
[16:57] <ElcMawr> am playing around with cmd line, no probs.
[16:57] <ElcMawr> just cant see how to make it boot up X (ir isnt it xfce)
[16:58] <cody-somerville> do this:
[16:58] <cody-somerville> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[16:59] <ElcMawr> command not found!
[16:59] <ElcMawr> gdm just isnt there
[17:00] <ElcMawr> NB. This is version 6.06.
[17:02] <cody-somerville> how do you know gdm isn't there?
[17:02] <cody-somerville> what does the following command return: which gdm
[17:02] <ElcMawr> a) there's no man page, b) i can't find it.
[17:02] <ElcMawr> "which gdm" results in nothing.
[17:03] <cody-somerville> It looks like you installed the server cd instead of Xubuntu alternative
[17:03] <cody-somerville> do this:
[17:03] <cody-somerville> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[17:04] <ElcMawr> ok, thanks, i'll give that a go!
[17:16] <ElcMawr> see you soon
[17:16] <cody-somerville> :]
[17:36] <likemindead> Hello. Anyone able to help me upgrade Dapper to Hardy or Intrepid on PowerPC (and is the even possible)?
[17:41] <charlie-tca> It should be possible, but I don´t have a ppc. The port is here: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/releases/intrepid/release/ for Intrepid
[17:43] <likemindead> I already have 6.06 installed because when I tried to directly install 8.10 it had problems. I read several people recommending a 6.06 install upgraded to 8.04 but I'm not quite sure how to upgrade to 8.04.
[17:44] <likemindead> Also found this, but I don't quite understand it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/241729
[17:44] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu does not have 8.04 for the ppc. It seems we went from 7.10 to 8.10
[17:45] <likemindead> So can I just do a dist-upgrade?
[17:45] <charlie-tca> And that won´t be a direct upgrade from 6.06. I think you need to do a new install on it
[17:45] <likemindead> What's that link I posted about then?
[17:46] <charlie-tca> let me see
[17:46] <likemindead> Thanks.
[17:46] <likemindead> I don't understand the patch.
[17:46] <likemindead> Or what to do with it.
[17:46] <charlie-tca> That´s Ubuntu 7.10 to 8.04. Xubuntu skipped 8.04
[17:46] <likemindead> Oooohhhhh. :(
[17:47] <charlie-tca> Take it back, Ubuntu 6.06 to 8.04
[17:47] <likemindead> Right.
[17:47] <likemindead> This old iMac won't like GNOME too much. :(
[17:47] <charlie-tca> (:
[17:48] <likemindead> Maybe I'll just stick with Xubuntu 6.06?
[17:49] <charlie-tca> It is good until June 2009. Then it won´t update anymore
[17:49] <likemindead> Le sigh....
[17:49] <charlie-tca> Maybe Jaunty will have a port? I don´t know...
[17:50] <likemindead> The PowerPC options are a bit limited for someone with as little *nix experience as I have.
[17:51] <likemindead> Gentoo or Debian seem to be the best, but *buntu is what I know.
[18:08] <sinbox> arghh forgot the chmod command to change user ownership again
[18:18] <charlie-tca> Open a terminal, type chmod --help
[18:19] <charlie-tca> sinbox: that should be chown --help for ownership
[18:21] <sinbox> oh that'll be why then, D'oh! thanks charlie-tca
[18:38] <jonny_boy27> hi guys, really n00bish question. I've just done a new install of xubuntu intrepid and my screen res is limited to 800x600, which is a bit on the low side!
[18:38] <vinnl> jonny_boy27, have you tried changing the resolution from the "Display Settings" in Applications->Settings Manager?
[18:38] <jonny_boy27> i've tried doing dpkg-reconfigure x-server-xorg but it didn't prompt me to set the usable screen res
[18:39] <jonny_boy27> yeah, the maximum is "default" which is 800x600
[18:39] <likemindead> GPU?
[18:39] <jonny_boy27> i've also poked into /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it doesn't look familiar (the last time I manually edited an xorg.conf was about 2005, though!)
[18:39] <jonny_boy27> um, it's a thinkpad T20 so i dunno
[18:40] <likemindead> Possibly ATI.
[18:40] <likemindead> Restricted drivers offered?
[18:40] <likemindead> (Applications-->System-->Hardware Drivers)
[18:40] <jonny_boy27> my previous install was initially installed as 6.06 and then progressively upgraded since then but it did have the correct screen res of 1024x800. i decided to do a clean install to clear out some of the cruft and now have this problem
[18:41] <jonny_boy27> no restricted drivers offered
[18:41] <likemindead> One second.
[18:41] <jonny_boy27> the only ones in hardware drivers is for my atheros wifi card
[18:41] <jonny_boy27> cheers guys
[18:41] <jonny_boy27> gfx card is s3 savage
[18:42] <jonny_boy27> according to lspci
[18:43] <likemindead> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -p high
[18:43] <likemindead> Usually does the trick. Restart X afterwards.
[18:43] <jonny_boy27> indeed, alas it didn't for me!
[18:43] <likemindead> :(
[18:43] <jonny_boy27> indeed
[18:43] <jonny_boy27> i'll just try again
[18:43] <jonny_boy27> brb, restarting x
[18:47] <jonny_boy27> nope, that didn't work!
[18:48] <likemindead> Lame.
[18:48] <jonny_boy27> indeed
[18:49] <jonny_boy27> so what's the deal with xorg, there barely seems to be any configuration info in xorf.conf any more. I'm used to seeing declarations regarding keyboard layout, screen resolutions and other things in there
[18:49] <likemindead> Yeah. Very strange to me too. Also, uh-oh: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-savage/+question/51780
[18:52] <jonny_boy27> hmm, that doesn't look promising
[18:52] <likemindead> :-\
[18:52] <jonny_boy27> i'm just perplexed since it worked fine with my previous installation of xubuntu, but installing intrepid from scratch doesn't seem to have played nice
[18:52] <likemindead> I still don't understand what they've done to xorg in 8.10....
[18:53] <vinnl> It's a new version of xorg, if I'm right
[18:53] <vinnl> It's supposed to do as much auto-configuring as possible so you (in theory) shouldn't have to edit xorg.conf anymore
[18:53] <likemindead> But why is it so.... empty?!
[18:53] <jonny_boy27> indeed, but surely when i dist-upgraded from hardy, it would have installed the new xorg...
[18:53] <likemindead> Not a fan.
[18:54] <jonny_boy27> it's all very well having xorg do more stuff automatically but when the autoconfig doesn't work it'd be nice to be able to set things manually!
[18:54] <likemindead> Exactly.
[18:54] <vinnl> Well, I know next to nothing about it, but I can imagine you can still configure a lot... If only you know how to
[18:54] <jonny_boy27> i wish i'd backed up my previous xorg.conf before I re-installed :S
[19:01] <jonny_boy27> arg, this is really frustrating!
[19:02] <vinnl> !resolution
[19:02] <vinnl> !xorg
[19:03] <jonny_boy27> aah...
[19:04] <jonny_boy27> "While xorg.conf is largely empty these days" you can say that again!
[19:14] <jonny_boy27> "xrandr configure crtc 0 failed"
[19:14] <jonny_boy27> grrr...
[19:34] <hobbsc> anyone have time to help with a wireless issue?  i've got an atheros chipset and i can't get it to work.  ndiswrapper worked great in 8.04 and i know the card works in opensuse, so i don't think it's my hardware
[19:34] <hobbsc> ndiswrapper doesn't seem tow ork this time and the hardware list recognizes that i have an atheros chipset
[19:34] <hobbsc> er, hardware drivers
[19:35] <hobbsc> it says support for atheros 82.11 wireless lan cards is active and "currently in use", but i don't see my card anywhere
[19:35] <hobbsc> it's an AR242x
[19:35] <hobbsc> according to lspci
[19:43] <filipegatti> has anyone here tried to use eclipse cdt on xubuntu 8.10?
[19:44] <vinnl> I've tried Eclipse, not sure which part CDT is
[19:44] <filipegatti> i already have the latest java jre installed and yet it doesnt open my eclipse :(
[19:44] <filipegatti> CDT is C/C++ development
[19:44] <vinnl> Oh, then I didn't
[19:44] <vinnl> You have installed it using apt/Synaptic?
[19:44] <jonny_boy27> @hobbsc - you shouldn't need to use ndiswrapper with atheros
[19:44] <filipegatti> no. i've downloaded it on the official website
[19:45] <filipegatti> actually you don't need to install eclipse cdt, you only need to unpack it and run
[19:45] <filipegatti> when i tried on ubuntu 8.10 it worked
[19:45] <vinnl> I didn't get that to work either... The version in the repos worked but unfortunately that isn't Ganymede :(
[19:45] <vinnl> Not sure how badly you need that version
[19:46] <filipegatti> i'm not sure either. i just want to try eclipse. :-P
[19:47] <vinnl> Then I'd recommend you to just install it like you would install most applications in Xubuntu
[19:51] <filipegatti> using synaptic?
[19:52] <vinnl> For example, yes :)
[19:53] <hobbsc> jonny_boy27: how can i get the card working, then?
[19:53] <hobbsc> it certainly does not work right out of the box
[19:53] <hobbsc> it seems to recognize that i have that type of card, because it says it's activated the driver for it and i can see it in lspci
[19:53] <hobbsc> but when i go to edit my connections, i don't see my wireless card anywhere
[19:53] <hobbsc> ifconfig doesn't report one either
[19:53] <jonny_boy27> ok
[19:53] <filipegatti> vinnl, the version in synaptic is soooo old :P
[19:54] <vinnl> filipegatti, I know, terrible :P
[19:54] <jonny_boy27> and left-clicking on the network symbol in the notification area (top right) doesn't show any wireless connections?
[19:54] <jonny_boy27> or right-clicking doesn't show the "enable wireless option"
[19:54] <vinnl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/123064
[19:55] <vinnl> Oh nice, someone packaged the latest version, you could try that jonny_boy27
[19:55] <vinnl> Ehm filipegatti I mean, sorry
[19:55] <jonny_boy27> no worries :P
[19:56] <hobbsc> jonny_boy27: none at all
[19:56] <jonny_boy27> ah.. ok
[19:56] <hobbsc> which is why i'm confused
[19:56] <jonny_boy27> but it is definitely listed in system_>hardware drivers
[19:56] <hobbsc> it seems to see the card, and i know the card works fine in 8.04 and also in another distro
[19:56] <filipegatti> vinnl, the latest version for cdt is 5.0.1 :-P
[19:57] <vinnl> Ah
[19:57] <hobbsc> system -> hardware drivers says there is a driver enabled for atheros support
[19:57] <filipegatti> vinnl, what command i need to type to know if my linux is 32 or 64bit version?
[19:58] <filipegatti> maybe i've downloaed the wrong version
[19:58] <hobbsc> uname -a may show that
[19:58] <filipegatti> woot
[19:58] <filipegatti> x86_64
[19:58] <filipegatti> i've downloaded the 32bit version, I'll try downloading the 64 one.
[19:58] <filipegatti> maybe this will fix
[19:59] <jonny_boy27> hobbsc, I vaguely remember something about restricted drivers not installing properly from the hardware drivers tool unless you'd added the restricted repo to your sources.list, but we're not dealing with a restricted driver here....
[20:00] <pab> Hello.  Where would I go to download a full set of xubuntu cd's(Hardy Heron)?  My niece doesn't have internet.
[20:01] <vinnl> pab, see xubuntu.org/get
[20:01] <vinnl> And it's just one CD :)
[20:01] <pab> vinnl, oh!  I thought there'd be more lol
[20:02] <filipegatti> that's why its xubuntu :P
[20:02] <hobbsc> jonny_boy27: no idea, but i've posted to the forum, maybe i'll get some help there
[20:02] <filipegatti> its lightweight
[20:03] <hobbsc> the last weird thing i get is when i boot up the machine, it just hangs, but if i hold down the enter key, it starts booting
[20:03] <hobbsc> dmesg doesn't report any errors
[20:03] <pab> her machine is pretty slim
[20:03] <hobbsc> it's not a big deal, and it's kind of comical, but it'd be nice to know why it's doing that
[20:03] <hobbsc> i just wish i could get my wireless working so i could get my display set properly and get to working with this box
[20:10] <filipegatti> vinnl, it worked :-)
[20:11] <vinnl> filipegatti, yay :)
[20:11] <filipegatti> the problem was the version
[20:20] <hobbsc> jonny_boy27: an interesting note, '
[20:20] <hobbsc> 'lshw -C Network' shows that the card is there, but it's listed as network UNCLAIMED
[20:20] <hobbsc> with no driver listed in the configuration
[20:35] <jonny_boy27> sorry hobbsc - i was having dinner!
[20:36] <Guest67509> hello I'm looking for some help fixing my resolution I have openchrome running my via chrome 9 chip in my laptop and have had trouble getting it configured
[20:54] <|ntegra|> hiya
[20:55] <gabkdlly> yo
[20:56] <|ntegra|> its a beautiful suniday downunder in ak, newZealand.. hows ya saturday night going?
[20:57] <|ntegra|> I'm here to ask for help with looking at the wireless driver thats installed
[20:57] <gabkdlly> please ask your question
[21:00] <|ntegra|> xubuntu works out of the box with my laptop   (oh)   where are the drivers stored in the OS?
[21:02] <gabkdlly> i do believe you will find them by poking around in /usr/src/linux-header-*
[21:02] <gabkdlly> linux comes with a LOT of drivers out of the box
[21:03] <|ntegra|> I'm sorry that was bloody stupid I locate drivers, but I swear befor I actually entered the room I had no idea (I want to learn to install and run wireless on other linux distros too)
[21:04] <|ntegra|> there's heaps aye
[21:05] <gabkdlly> hmmm... I think I'm wrong about that, I don't actually know where the kernel looks for its modules
[21:06] <gabkdlly> ah, /lib/modules/
[21:06] <gabkdlly> "modprobe -l" was helpful
[21:07] <gabkdlly> |ntegra|: you can type use "iwconfig" in a terminal in pretty much any distribution to see if your wireless device was detected properly
[21:09] <|ntegra|> cool
[21:09] <gabkdlly> you can also use iwconfig to configure your network connection, different distros use different tools however to make such changes permanent (i.e. executed each time at boot up)
[21:10] <gabkdlly> I mean, you can pretty much use init scripts to set up your wireless network at startup in pretty much any distribution, but I have never done this myself
[21:11] <gabkdlly> at any rate, using a network manager is definitely more elegant, especially if you will be doing roaming
[21:11] <gabkdlly> it is a cold and wet night here in Berlin :)
[21:12] <|ntegra|> thats cool, hey >with "modprobe -l"  are those 'all' the kernel modules, or just the kernel modules that are 'in use'?
[21:12] <gabkdlly> all
[21:12] <gabkdlly> to see the ones in use do "lsmod"
[21:12] <|ntegra|> oh, sweet, thanx
[21:13] <|ntegra|> cold wet, stay inside with your boxen aye?
[21:13] <gabkdlly> yes :)
[21:17] <gabkdlly> |ntegra|: I am calling it a night. Come back and chat any time.  The wiki and forum are also good resources.
[21:19] <|ntegra|> cheers man, peace out
[21:23] <jonny_boy27> Still had no joy with xorg :( I've tried setting the mode in xorg.conf but that results in a parse error on reboot :<
[21:26]  * jonny_boy27 continues drinking whisky and pulling out hair
[21:39] <|ntegra|> woah, I definitely prefer "lshw -C network"
[22:48] <^Alita> hi to all
[22:48] <Neff> how do i mount the network so i can browse with file manager
[22:48] <Neff> hello
[22:48] <^Alita> someone can help me in compiler ati's driver?
[22:48] <cody-somerville> ^Alita, Absolutely not :P
[22:49] <cody-somerville> ^Alita, If you want to compile ati's drivers, use gentoo :P
[22:49] <cody-somerville> Neff, Windows Shares?
[22:49] <^Alita> i don't want to compile it
[22:49] <Neff> cody-somerville: yeah
[22:49] <cody-somerville> ^Alita, what do you want to do?
[22:49] <cody-somerville> Neff, You can try PyNeighborhood
[22:50] <^Alita> but in all forums i've searched, it seems the only way to have the hardware aceleration activated in my laptop is to compile this drivers
[22:50] <cody-somerville> ^Alita, nope
[22:50] <cody-somerville> ^Alita, Click Applications > System > Hardware Drivers
[22:51] <^Alita> it didn't work
[22:51] <^Alita> better: every try i've done was unsuccessfully
[22:51] <cody-somerville> ^Alita, Does it list your card?
[22:51] <^Alita> u have to know i've an ati rage mobility, an old card
[22:51] <cody-somerville> Then it probably isn't supported
[22:52] <^Alita> in forume seems the mach64 driver have to work
[22:52] <^Alita> with dri activeted
[22:52] <cody-somerville> How do you know dri isn't activated?
[22:53] <cody-somerville> Maybe you just need to reconfigure your X to use the mach64 driver?
[22:53] <cody-somerville> We already have it compiled and installed for you
[22:54] <^Alita> i hope this. but it seem they are loaded, but don't use hardware acceleration, tested with glxinfo
[22:57] <^Alita> at now i think i've done some mistakes, so it didn't load the drivers, but i don't know how reinstall it
[22:58] <charlie-tca> There is a bug for ATI Rage Mobility bug 284309
[22:58] <^Alita> it's related to xubuntu?
[22:58] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-r128/+bug/284309
[22:58] <charlie-tca> Yes
[22:58] <^Alita> i'm opening the link
[22:59] <charlie-tca> It is being worked, even if it says incomplete
[23:01] <^Alita> lsmod
[23:01] <^Alita> sorry
[23:01] <^Alita> i used the wrong keyboard
[23:03]  * charlie-tca nods
[23:04] <^Alita> there's something wrong... yesterday direct renderig was no, like from i've installed the system. today is yes...
[23:05] <^Alita> and i con't use higher resolution from 640x480
[23:06] <emperorcezar> I'm trying to set my caps lock to a control. I setup the xmodmaps and in xev, when I hit the capslock it returns (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), but it still doesn't work as control.
[23:12] <charlie-tca> ^Alita: Isn't that what the bug is about?
[23:17] <radioz> Why does my terminal start up full screen on each boot?
[23:17] <radioz> I dont have anything in my autostart dir.
[23:20] <^Alita> i think maybe
[23:21] <^Alita> i don't know why now the direct rendering is activated, i think it happens today in one of the steps i've followed to install the drivers
[23:22] <^Alita> now i've to teach my laptop it can use an higher resolution
[23:22] <^Alita> i tink the trick is in the line modeline of xrog.conf
[23:23] <^Alita> i'm wrong?
[23:48] <cody-somerville> ^Alita, what version of Xubuntu are you using?
[23:58] <juhls> I have some missing gpg keys, and some packages can't be verified.  Does anyone know where I get the keys?
[23:58] <^Alita> sysinfo says ubuntu 8.04