[00:44] <NCommander> hey all
[00:48] <jjesse> hey NCommander
[00:53] <NCommander> ScottK, you floating around?
[00:53] <ScottK> NCommander: Yes.  Please don't kill me ...
[00:54] <NCommander> ScottK, no, its not your fault kde4bindings is still FTBFSing :-)
[00:54] <NCommander> I made one fatal flaw
[00:54] <ScottK> Ah.
[00:54] <NCommander> python-qt4 is arch all
[00:54] <NCommander> But its configuration file must be arch any
[00:54] <NCommander> Oops :-)
[00:54] <DaSkreech> anyone have plasma shortcuts working ?
[00:54] <ScottK> NCommander: OK.  What's your plan?
[00:55] <NCommander> I just figured out what caused the failure, I think we simply need to split out python-qt4's configuration file
[00:57] <NCommander> So, I need advice
[00:57] <NCommander> What should the arch-any part be called
[00:57]  * NCommander confirmed his suspesion
[00:57] <NCommander> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/all/python-qt4-dev/filelist - see the first two files in the list
[01:09] <NCommander> ScottK, testbuilding the fix now
[01:17] <NCommander> Wow, when did PPA get build stats
It is semi-usable through Alt+F2, but the panel is completely fubar. Even after I deleted the .kde folder.</quote>
[01:25] <vorian> :o
[01:26] <DaSkreech> the panel is usable through alt+F2 ?
[01:27] <vorian> na, just some forum user complaining
[01:27] <vorian> they update half way through the 4.1.85 builds
[01:32] <knusperfrosch> anyone using bluetooth? kdebluetooth4 can't start because it seems to have a kde 4.1.2 dependency
[01:42] <ScottK> Riddell and lool: koffice uploaded.
[01:43] <ScottK> knusperfrosch: Kbluetooth is broken.
[01:44] <ScottK> Also it's not on the Alpha 2 CD, so if you're upgrading using the CD, you'll need to update from the repos after.
[01:44] <ScottK> Is still won't work though.
[01:44] <DaSkreech> Is it expected to be working post jaunty ?
[01:44] <ScottK> It's a question of when upstream finishes updating for the new bluez.
[01:44] <knusperfrosch> i hope beta/final will ship kdebluetooth4 ?
[01:45] <knusperfrosch> k, ic
[01:45] <ScottK> It's currently broken in Intrepid too.
[01:49] <NCommander> python-qt4 is almost done building
[01:49] <NCommander> yay
[01:49] <NCommander> and I got Debian to accept our python-qt4 changeset!
[01:50] <ScottK> Great.
[01:57] <NCommander> ScottK, feel like sponsoring?
[01:58] <ScottK> Sure.
[01:58] <ScottK> Link me a debdiff.
[01:58] <NCommander> ScottK, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20606417/python-qt4_4.4.4-2ubuntu1_4.4.4-2ubuntu2.diff.gz
[01:59] <NCommander> ScottK, let me just confirm my fix worked fully first before sponsoring
[01:59] <NCommander> (I haven't test built on ARM but I don't think its really necessary)
[01:59] <NCommander> And actually
[01:59]  * NCommander just found a bug
[01:59] <NCommander> :-)
[02:12] <ScottK> NCommander: Would you also look at the http://kde42.debian.net/ kdebindings package and see if Debian has any additional patches of interest.
[02:12] <NCommander> kdebindings is staying on 4.1 for the time being
[02:13] <ScottK> NCommander: Not at http://kde42.debian.net/
[02:14] <ScottK> They appear to have got it building without ripping Nepomuk bindings out.
[02:16] <NCommander> Debian allows binary uploads
[02:16] <NCommander> Circular build dependencies aren't the end of the world for them
[02:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Did we make a decision about demotion/removal for guidance-power-manager?
[02:16] <ScottK> Right.  That's how they did it.
[02:17] <ScottK> Riddell: Particularly since powerdevil can't be removed, my vote for guidance-power-manager is out of the archive.
[05:23] <lool> Riddell: ok, thanks
[08:21] <ScottK> Hobbsee: In libkipi, you made the change: Change libkipi5 depend to libkipi6 (libkipi5 is NBS, and has been replaced by libkipi6) for libkipi0.  Unfortunately libkipi6 conflicts/replaces libkipi0, so the package is now uninstallable.
[08:24] <ScottK> If there's some insomniac Ninja around who wants to solve that too, that'd be great.  See comments in Bug 298413 for other info.
[08:54] <Serega> hi all
[11:21] <Hobbsee> ScottK: oh, bloody hell.
[11:22] <Hobbsee> well, i guess it started as uninstallable as soon as libkipi5 stopped building, but that's still not good ;)
[14:24] <NCommander> hey ScottK
[14:41] <Arby> has anyone else noticed kate crashing when closing files if multiple files are open?
[14:41] <Arby> in 4.2beta2
[14:45] <knusperfrosch> Arby: i didn't
[14:45] <Arby> hmm, happens everytime for me if I hit the close button in the toolbar
[14:45] <Arby> going File > close seems to be ok though
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> I've noticed that
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> it's done that twice or so
[14:55] <Arby> happens almost every time for me
[14:56] <Arby> I'm just installing the dbg package then I'll get a better backtrace
[14:59] <Arby> and of course when I want it to crash it won't
[15:00] <Arby> ah, there we go
[15:03] <Arby> JontheEchidna: this mean much to you?
[15:03] <Arby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/90026/
[15:19] <Riddell>  /win 37
[17:58] <seele> ScottK: one of my soc students from last year volunteered to look a kpackage kit and said he would do it over the holiday.  so hopefully we'll have reviews on that and quassel by the next kubuntu meeting
[18:06] <Sput> seele: I'd be thankful to get a copy of that :)
[18:06] <Sput> (the quassel review, that is)
[18:08] <seele> Sput: it will probably go up on the wiki
[18:09] <ScottK> seele: Great.  Did you see rgreening has a draft kvirc-kde4 package in his PPA (Jaunty only).  That should get reviewed too.
[18:10] <seele> ScottK: yeah, he sent me a link to his ppa
[18:10] <ScottK> OK.  Great.
[18:10] <seele> since i'll probably do quassel i can do both
[18:11] <ScottK> Don't install the -dev package as it stands.  The rest should be fine.
[18:11] <seele> just quassel-client?
[18:11] <seele> er.. oh right, from your ppa
[18:11]  * seele is still waking up
[18:12] <ScottK> seele: quassel, not quassel client.
[18:12] <ScottK> qt4-x11 4.4.3-2ubuntu1 building on every single arch at the same time ....
[18:16] <nixternal> from what I have seen, I think Quassel would be the better choice due to its simplicity when compared to kvirc... ScottK what do you think on that?
[18:16] <nixternal> I used to use kvirc, so I am a fan of it
[18:16] <nixternal> though to me, kvirc is our mirc
[18:17] <ScottK-desktop> I haven't used kvirc yet.
[18:18] <nixternal> it is a really good client, with a lot of options...if you have ever used mirc and irssi, you will probably get a better hold of it
[18:19] <seele> nixternal: the problem with quassel is getting connected to irc. how would anyone know they have to set up the node thing in order to subscribe to a channel?
[18:19] <nixternal> couldn't we provide a default config that would give them something generic?
[18:20] <ScottK> seele: They are making some changes shortly that should make it possible for us to patch it to include a default channel.
[18:20] <ScottK> nixternal: Not right now, but shortly.
[18:20] <seele> it still seems superfluous to have to do that instead of just have a normal client
[18:22] <ScottK> seele: If you install quassel (not quassel client) you get a monlithic IRC client.
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> Arby_: oh, I forgot you pinged me. I'm not really a kate expert...
[18:25] <Arby_> no worries
[18:25] <Arby_> I still haven't figured out exactly what triggers the crash
[21:13] <danimo> Czessi__: ping?
[21:45] <jjesse> holy cow its freaking freezin outside
[22:04] <nixternal> OMG IT IS FREEZING!!!
[22:04] <jjesse> -15 F with the wind
[22:05] <nixternal> -20C outside w/o the wind, or -3f
[22:05] <jjesse> sustained wind of 20mph w/ gusts of 35 for us
[22:05] <nixternal> our windchill right now is -34f, or -36c
[22:05] <jjesse> i think i heard as of midnight we had 42 inches of snow and got another 10 last night
[22:05] <jjesse> or something sick like that
[22:05] <nixternal> I just went out to ship off my xmas presents....that's it, no more going out!
[22:05] <nixternal> we only got a dusting last night
[22:05] <jjesse> i ordered all my gifts from amazon
[22:06] <nixternal> does amazon gift wrap?
[22:06] <nixternal> if so, call me an idiot!
[22:06] <jjesse> yes they do
[22:06] <jjesse> if you mark it as a "gift"
[22:06] <nixternal> damn, then I will do amazon only for the rest of my life...it is to cold out there for me
[22:07] <jjesse> my poor dog had to pee so i took him outside and he looked at me like wtf can't i just go inside?
[22:07] <nixternal> LOL
[22:08] <nixternal> get the pee pads and put them in the garage, or somewhere warmer than outside
[22:08] <jjesse> detached garage :(
[22:08] <jjesse> next house that is a must
[22:08] <nixternal> hehe
[22:09] <jjesse> multiple deaths in benton harbor on highway
[22:15] <nixternal> jjesse: drive by shooting? :p
[22:15] <jjesse> massive car crash
[22:15] <jjesse> i think i heard 3 fatalities
[22:15] <nixternal> I just drove past a really bad accident when I was out...they had one of the drivers walking the line and sticking his leg out in front of him
[22:18] <nixternal> wow, a plane kind of crashed in denver...nobody died which they are saying is a miracle
[22:18] <crimsun> geez, two coworkers have died of cardiac arrest->lack of oxygen in the past 72 hours
[22:19] <nixternal> umm, it is time to leave the office then crimsun
[22:19] <crimsun> this is some holiday :/
[22:19] <crimsun> nixternal: unfortunately it means i have to work over the holidays
[22:19] <nixternal> oh, I was thinking something happened at work
[22:20] <crimsun> ah, not _that_ type of sequence, no =)
[22:22] <nixternal> One person is dead after a crash involving 12 semi-trucks and around 30 other vehicles near St. Joseph
[22:22] <nixternal> WOW!
[22:22] <nixternal> 12 semi-trucks and 30 other vehicles
[22:22] <nixternal> that is nuts
[22:23] <crimsun> agreed
[22:23] <crimsun> man, i miss cold weather and wind
[22:24] <nhandler> crimsun: Come to Chicago. We have plenty of it
[22:24] <nixternal> we have way to much of it!
[22:24] <crimsun> nhandler: i grew up in minnesota and wisconsin, so cold+wind ain't no thang
[22:25] <crimsun> this "tropical" near-freezing doesn't cut it
[22:25] <nixternal> lol
[22:26] <ScottK> crimsun: Don't worry.  We're overdue for our generally regular every 3 years snowstorm that drops 3 feet of snow on the area.
[22:26] <jjesse> we have a poop loud of snow here in west michigan
[22:26] <ScottK> Those are fun around here where they are totally unprepeared.
[22:27] <crimsun> ScottK: i totally don't look forward to the roads during such an event
[22:28] <jjesse> i am amazed how many people "forget" how to drive in a snowstorm
[22:28] <jjesse> i mean they happen all the time
[22:28] <crimsun> jjesse: kinda like forgetting how to drive in any sort of inclement weather
[22:29] <crimsun> "it's pouring rain, lemme drive 95 mph!"
[22:30] <jjesse> or its pouring rain lemme drive 10
[22:31] <crimsun> heh
[22:32] <nixternal> or its pouring rain lemme get 2 more beers before driving 95mph!
[22:32] <jjesse> thats just how you drive nixternal
[22:33] <nixternal> good point
[23:32] <sebas> Riddell: seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/310228 this one?