[01:43] <DanaG> Oh heya, if I install the new native 64-bit Flash 10, can I still have it run through nspluginwrapper?
[01:44] <crimsun> yes, but you will experience instability.
[01:45] <DanaG> Oh, is that why Flash was always crashy when I had 32-bit nspluginwrapper?
[01:46] <DanaG> What I mean is, on my 32-bit install, I used nspluginwrapper because it prevented Flash crashes from taking down Firefox.
[01:46] <DanaG> I'd like to still have that separation.
[01:46] <crimsun> nspluginwrapper was broken for a good long while
[01:46] <crimsun> it's much better now
[01:47] <crimsun> the native 64-bit Flash plugin is very stable, however.
[01:47] <DanaG> Ah, so perhaps I'll try without nspluginwrapper.  Thanks.
[01:48] <crimsun> jaunty's default flashplugin-nonfree installs the native 64-bit plugin on amd64.
[01:48] <DanaG> Cool.
[01:49] <DanaG> Here's something weird that happened with PulseAudio today: it was generating quite a lot of network traffic, even though I wasn't playing anything across the network.  It only went away when I disabled discoverability on both systems that had it enabled.
[02:10] <DanaG> Ooh, I have Fedora 10 in a VM... and the new splash thingy is nice.
[02:15] <acron17> hi there
[02:16] <acron17> the way to activate shmconfig as described for intrepid isn't working for jaunty
[02:16] <acron17> how can i activate shmcibfig in jaunty?
[02:16] <acron17> sry: how to activate shmconfig in jaunty?
[02:17] <DanaG> Oh yeah, instead of putting touchpad stuff in xorg.conf, it now goes in a hal fdi file (/etc/hal/fdi/policy/)
[02:17] <DanaG> example:
[02:17] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/19-synaptics.fdi
[02:18] <crimsun> yes, as with intrepid
[02:18] <acron17> sry. i doesn't work that way (for me at least)
[02:19] <acron17> i just upgraded from intrepid to jaunty. i have a shmconfig.fdi as described in the help-docs
[02:20] <acron17> it worked in intrepid but it stop working in jaunty...
[02:25] <acron17> if activation of shmconfig should work like in intrepid can someone give me hint how to find out whats going wrong?
[02:30] <DanaG> acron17: perhaps the ordering of the fdi files has changed?
[02:31] <DanaG> Heh, I fgiured out a nice way to crash Dasher: just try to enter aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. and so on.
[02:31] <DanaG> It'll stop you for a while, but then you go down to other letters then backspace up again.... and you can make it crash.
[02:31] <DanaG> =þ
[02:31] <DanaG> Granted, writing aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa is not a normal use case for Dasher.
[02:31] <DanaG> =þ
[02:32] <acron17> DanaG: thanks for your answer but what would that mean?
[02:34] <acron17> i have three files in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/  appletouch.fdi preferences.fdi shmconfig.fdi
[02:35] <acron17> appletouch and shmconfig have both a line to activate shmconfig...
[02:40] <acron17> would hal log something about the fdi files somewhere?
[02:57] <DanaG> You should give them a number that puts them after the default touchpad fdi file somewhere in /usr/share/hal
[03:05] <acron17> hmm. seems like the synaptics driver isn't loaded by xorg...
[03:06] <acron17> gotta restart x
[03:13] <acron17> synaptics is now loaded but that didn't do the trick :-/
[03:16] <acron17> DanaG: it's getting quite late here, i'm off. thanks for your answers so far. bye
[03:21] <naught101> anyone managed to install digikam in jaunty?
[04:32] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I figured out how to separate the internal speakers and the headphone jack from each other in the Vista drivers for my ADI1984 chip, but without a PulseAudio for Windows, it's more of a hassle than an enhancement.
[05:05] <naught101> if a package can't be installed from the ubuntu repos due to wrong dependancy versions, is that a bug? should it be reported on launchpad?
[05:24] <naught101> does anyone else have a lack of thumbnails in konqueror/dolphin?
[06:35] <Hew> naught101: If the dependencies of a package are wrong, yes that is a bug that should be reported on Launchpad.
[06:51] <naught101> cool, thanks hew
[13:14] <marijus> hello, why do i get aiglx: screen 0 is not dri2 capable in my xorg log on intel i915?
[13:20] <gnomefreak> marijus: in intrepid?
[13:20] <gnomefreak> seing as xorg is missing packages atm
[13:21] <marijus> jaunty
[14:39] <frandavid100> hiya
[14:39] <frandavid100> is it still possible to download alpha 1?
[14:54] <Hew> frandavid100: Not from cdimage.ubuntu.com, but perhaps the torrents still work or there are some mirrors that still have it somewhere. The question is, why would you want alpha 1 rather than alpha 2?
[14:54] <frandavid100> because I can't get my nvidia drivers to work on alpha 2 :(+
[14:55] <frandavid100> it asks to remove xorg to install them
[14:55] <frandavid100> so I'd rather revert to alpha 1, install the drivers, then hold the xorg updates until that's fixed
[14:56] <Hew> frandavid100: Then you should be using Intrepid. If you were to install Jaunty alpha 1 you wouldn't be able to upgrade, negating the point of using the development release.
[14:57] <frandavid100> I can install alpha 1 and update all packages save xorg, though
[14:57] <Hew> frandavid100: Can you use nv or nouveau until xorg / nvidia is fixed?
[14:57] <Hew> frandavid100: If you want stability I really think you should be using Intrepid.
[14:59] <frandavid100> it seems nouveau is not installable, for some reason
[14:59] <frandavid100> as for nv, yeah I'll have to use it if I can't find alpha 1
[14:59] <frandavid100> I'd rather have 3d acceleration though!
[15:16] <emonkey> Hi there, I've got a problem with nvidia and xorg, it looks like there's a conflict between the packages. I can't install nvidia-glx without removing xorg. Any ideas?
[15:23] <Hew> emonkey: "A new XServer, version 1.6, is included in Alpha-2. The binary proprietary drivers -fglrx and -nvidia are not yet supported for this server and will exhibit various serious issues if run against it. Users of these drivers are encouraged to wait or to switch to the corresponding open source drivers (-ati and -nv respectively) in the meantime. bug 308410"
[15:29] <emonkey> Hew, thank you
[17:36] <kallu> what is the problem with plasma .. its eating 300MB of memory after a couple of hours of usage ... is it normal?
[19:51] <sparr> i moved my sources back to intrepid after fetching some things from jaunty
[19:57] <joaopinto> sparr, that is asking for troubles
[20:02] <CarlFK> sparr: take a look at dget - won't keep you from messing things up, just makes it easier :)
[20:04] <loic-m> spar, prevu is your friend
[20:04] <CarlFK> I have an external usb drive, simple one ext2 partition.  plug it into ibex, it gets mounted.  plug it int jaunty, all I get in dmesg is: [88267.904016] usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6; [88268.039713] usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[20:05] <CarlFK> should I report that to lp, or will it get taken care of anyway?
[20:08] <nekostar> so i say this every round... how broken is this particular alpha?
[20:08] <sparr> CarlFK: does that interface with apt-get build-deps ?
[20:09] <sparr> i switched to jaunty for a bit to get some build dependencies for an intrepid package
[20:09] <nekostar> hrm ok note taken
[20:09] <CarlFK> sparr: hmm... don't know.  It's the same kinda thing, so I bet there is something like it
[20:10] <CarlFK> nekostar: assuming you could graph brokeness over time, I think it is about the same profile as any other build :)
[20:12] <CarlFK> It has it's ups and downs, and there is always the chance of total meltdown.  that chance is higher in the middle of the term, so about now :)
[20:12] <nekostar> CarlFK lol yeah.. think i'm gonna give a vm a try, might do a simple install or something ^^
[20:14] <nhandler> sparr: Why would you need jaunty packages to satisfy intrepid build-depends?
[20:14] <sparr> nhandler: poor packaging management
[20:14] <nhandler> sparr: What package?
[20:14] <sparr> avr-gcc
[20:15] <sparr> gcc-avr i mean
[20:16] <nhandler> And what build-depend did you need from jaunty?
[20:17] <sparr> binutils-avr
[20:17] <sparr> at the time, gcc-avr depended on binutils-avr 2.18, and the highest in intrepid was 2.16
[20:17] <sparr> it seems to have been fixed now
[20:17] <nhandler> At what time are you talking about?
[20:17] <sparr> err
[20:17] <sparr> sorry
[20:18] <sparr> depended on binutils-avr 2.18-4
[20:18] <sparr> and the highest in intrepid was 2.18-3
[20:18] <sparr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-avr/+bug/297373
[20:19] <sparr> now it depends on >= 2.16.1-1 which is [more] correct
[20:20] <nhandler> Ok, as long as it is fixed. You might want to close that bug report now
[20:21] <sparr> didnt know it was fixed til just now
[20:21] <sparr> since ive got 2.18-4 installed
[20:22] <sparr> i dont think i can close bugs?
[20:22] <sparr> unless i am overlooking it
[20:23] <CarlFK> sparr: click the 'V' next to status
[20:25] <sparr> aha
[20:26] <sparr> thanks
[20:26] <CarlFK> jaunty isn't doing [160748.676236] usb-storage: device scan complete
[20:26] <CarlFK> how can I force that on a device that is plugged in?
[20:27] <sparr> ive found usb auto mounting comes and goes on approximately a one-release cycle...
[20:27] <CarlFK> heh
[20:27] <sparr> didnt work at all in edgy or gutsy, worked in feisty and hardy
[20:27] <CarlFK> it isn't even assigning it a /dev node
[20:28] <sparr> hit or miss in intrepid, depending on what mood the new kde crap is in
[21:52] <x1250> anyone also having very slow 2d with xserver-xorg-video-ati ?
[23:09] <Skiessi> !info ufw
[23:27] <DanaG> great... dosfsck just truncated my firefox preferences file to 0 bytes.
[23:28] <DanaG> Thaaanks, dosfsck,
[23:28] <DanaG> .
[23:30] <DanaG> /usr/bin/X11/X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so: undefined symbol: exaDriverAlloc
[23:30] <DanaG> Had to switch to radeonhd driver; at least that works fine.
[23:54]  * WelshDragon test
[23:55]  * WelshDragon asd
[23:55] <nekostar> dsa
[23:55] <nekostar> tset
[23:57] <acron17> hi there. i activated SHMConfig (for synaptics) as described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[23:57] <WelshDragon> thanks nekostar =P
[23:57] <nekostar> nbd :D
[23:58] <acron17> that did work with intrepid but fails as i upgraded to jaunty