[00:04] sebas: I'll poke bryce (X man) with that tomorrow [00:20] Riddell: cool, thanks :) [00:42] nhandler: you have a plasmoid eh? [00:42] vorian: I packaged it on REVU with a lot of help from JontheEchidna. [00:44] * vorian checks it out [00:46] ah, nhandler debian/copyrighty Public License can be found in `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL'. [00:46] I thought I had that [00:46] GPL-2 please [00:46] * nhandler goes to look [00:46] Oh, lol [00:46] :) [00:46] ls [00:46] pfft [00:46] Anything else before I upload a new version? [00:47] i'm still looking [00:47] what is the patch for? [00:47] It doesn't build without it [00:47] http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Spell+Check?content=94113 [00:47] It was mentioned in the comment too [00:48] nhandler: get rid of dirs [00:49] Yeah, and docs too probably [00:49] * nhandler really can't package in the morning [00:49] hehe [00:51] nhandler: in debian/control, do you need ${misc:Depends}? [00:52] vorian: If he uses dephelper at all, he does. [00:52] See the newest Lintian in Jaunty. [00:52] did you get the one from debian then, ScottK? \o/ [00:52] Just merged it a couple of days ago. [00:52] nhandler: other than that, looks good [00:53] vorian: So should I leave the ${misc:Depends}? [00:53] The idea is that at some point debhelper will grow the ability to detect missing depends and add them via that mechanis, so they are trying to prep the archive by having all packages that use dephelper add it. [00:54] nhandler: yes [00:56] vorian: I just uploaded a new version that makes the necessary changes. [00:57] excellent [01:00] ScottK: so, if i hope you'll fix the libkipi mess hard enough, will you do it? :D [01:00] vorian: So can you advocate it? [01:00] nhandler: i'm build ing now [01:02] Hobbsee: I'm leaving town for Christmas vacation tomorrow, so it'd have to be REALLY hard. [01:03] Hobbsee: My advice is find some enthusiastic youngster anxious to show his stuff. [01:03] * ScottK looks at nhandler to prove he can do non-crack stuff too. [01:05] ScottK: hrm... OTOH, it's been uninstallable since UDS or so [01:05] Yes. [01:05] so a few more days may not hurt [01:05] ;) [01:05] The alternative to fixing it is to convince Riddell it's time to switch to the KDE4 digikam and push libkipi0 out of the archive. [01:06] i'm all for that [01:06] i think [01:06] Hobbsee: It's in Experimental if you want to do a merge. [01:07] did alpha 2 get released? [01:07] yes [01:07] assuming you mean kubuntu [01:07] Riddell: Yes. We had a release announcement, release notes, and everything. [01:08] vorian: Did it build? The first version uploaded to REVU built in pbuilder and in my ppa. I didn't try the second one [01:08] nhandler: yeah, i was just messing around with it now [01:08] Riddell: It also fit on the CDs, but it took some very draconian measures to do it. [01:08] excellent work nhandler :) [01:08] Thanks vorian. This was my first app packaged from scratch [01:09] Riddell: I think getting mysql/akonadi/amarok under control needs to be really high priority. [01:09] vorian: Did you grepi -ir copyright * over the source to make sure he didn't miss anything? [01:09] ScottK: yepper [01:09] Ignore the extra 'i' in there. [01:09] Great. [01:09] thanks scottk, much appreciated [01:09] ScottK: There were about 2 files to look at ;) [01:09] only one author, so pretty easy copyright [01:09] Great. [01:10] Riddell: Back over to you now. As an added bonus I merged qt4-x11 from Debian to pick up several new patches from the trolls. [01:10] So vorian: Can I go ahead an upload it? [01:11] nhandler: yessir [01:11] just make sure you archive the package on revu [01:11] thanks for contributing to Kubuntu [01:12] :D [01:13] What mailing list do I notify of the new package? [01:13] nhandler: MOTU ML. [01:13] Thanks ScottK [01:14] JontheEchidna: what's up with the panelspacer package? [01:16] it should be in pretty good shape, but I still don't really know anything about this rpath issue [01:17] 31) of sebner's revu [01:17] hrmrm [01:18] there's like 4 plasmoids trapped in revu! [01:21] apachelogger: when you awake, can you clarify what the heck you mean in your final revu of panelspacer? [01:21] apachelogger: he's revuing sebner's revu [01:21] i'm not sure if he's revuing the package or the revu [01:21] ah, ok [01:22] for his motu app [02:09] * nixternal thinks that packaging plasmoids is a bit silly since they are super easy to install via the plasmoid property installer thingamajiggy [02:10] * nhandler just packaged what he was told to [02:10] ya, just saying [02:11] I just installed a bunch of plasmoids from kde-look.org that required 0 interaction except for pressing the "install" button from the dialog [02:12] nixternal: There are a few advantages to having stuff in the repos. The user will receive updates for the plasmoid without having to go back to kde-look. It also makes it easier to automate the installation of a bunch of plasmoids [02:12] good point...I don't know if you get update notifications or not from installing [02:13] nixternal: i think the ninja's were having nhandler learn some kde style packaging [02:13] but remember, people will have to maintain those plasmoids and keep them up to date in the repos [02:13] nixternal: That is true. And without watch files, it is a little more difficult. [02:14] nhandler: keep up with em on rss :) [02:14] ya, which sucks since most plasmoids are on kde-look.org, which watch files do not work with at all [02:17] vorian: I just subscribed to the plasmoid, so I should get an email every time a new version is uploaded [02:18] good work :) [02:18] nixternal: I think it's good to package them for the same reasons as, for example, we package mozilla extenstions even though it's easy to install them directly. [02:18] ya, the mozilla extensions were a waste of space imho as well [02:18] nixternal: only scripted plasmoids can be installed via the installer [02:18] speaking of which, i should blog about dekorator [02:19] c++ plasmoids must be packaged [02:19] or compiled by hand [02:19] or plasmoid authors should just script plasmoids [02:19] ahh, that I didn't know...don't know what all languages the plasmoids I installed were programmed with [02:20] probably ruby or python or superkaramba [02:21] ScottK: the mozilla extensions have even less of a reason - they prompt you, and you can update them with one click in yoru browser. [02:21] eww ruby [02:21] 6 [02:21] True. [02:21] err [02:21] Well, while you guys are debating this, I think I'll go and hunt down another plasmoid to package. I have two weeks break, and I need something to do ;) [02:21] nhandler: Great. [02:22] nhandler: If you really want some fun figure out how to re-architect the mysql package to we don't have to drag in 20MB of crap onto the CD to support akonadi. [02:22] nhandler: must be nice :) [02:22] ScottK: I think I'll stick to plasmoids for now ;) [02:22] ah two weeks break, i remember college [02:22] but too bad i had to work through break to pay for school [02:22] nixternal: Yeah, but finals are right after the break [02:22] college got more than 2 weeks break [02:23] OK, well you said you were looking for something to do .... [02:23] haha, suicide is not an option there ScottK :) [02:23] spacewalk is chewing up my damn RHN server [02:23] nixternal: I was kidding about him doing it, but it's something we absolutely need to figure out. [02:24] Soon too because unless akonadi goes on a diet, it and kontact, kmail, etc aren't gonna be on the CD. [02:25] ScottK, I think we need to recompress some of the debs with lzma compression [02:25] THat should help to greatly reclaim space [02:25] (at the cost of build speed) [02:26] lzma + deb == shit compression [02:26] nixternal: about your blog post - often it's the youngest people who find it easiest to learn new procedures, and such [02:26] been tried, somewhere on the debian mailing lists [02:26] so the "but these young kids can do it!" is a bit... [02:26] Hobbsee: are you saying you can't teach us old dogs new tricks? [02:26] nixternal: no, but i'ts harder to do so. [02:26] look at ScottK!!!! :p [02:27] nixternal: that's why they teach kids multiple languages at school - because it's easier to do so when htey're kids, and it's easier to pick up more when you've done 2 already [02:27] RichEd taught me how to open a beer with another beer at UDS...so it is possible! [02:27] heh, neat [02:27] Hobbsee: that might be in Australia...here in the US, they don't teach crap, unless you go to nhandler's school with the unlimited budget [02:27] nixternal, not if you compress the data.tar with lzma, it does make a large difference [02:28] (the desktop team does so) [02:28] nixternal: i'm fairly sure you find it in a lot of european schools and such too, fwiw. [02:28] most kids here in the US go to public schools where their #1 goal is to just graduate..who cares what happens after that [02:28] nixternal: They don't teach crap, just java :P [02:28] nhandler: at least they teach java [02:28] nixternal: your schools sucking is irrelevant :P [02:28] when I was in high school, they taught us basic and cobol/fortran (can't remember which one of those it was) [02:28] basic! [02:28] back in the deep dark ages... [02:28] ass [02:28] ;) [02:28] they taught something in high school? [02:29] nixternal: Here we switched our kids from a private college prep school to public school and the academics (in the honors classes) got harder. [02:29] thats what i learnt [02:29] when dinasours ruled the earth... [02:29] they taught me how to get suspended [02:29] i think i learned ms works [02:29] * ScottK did COBOL and ForTran both. [02:29] :o [02:29] * NCommander has done COBOL [02:29] On punch cards. [02:29] IDENTIFICATION SECTION [02:29] we did html and object oriented programming in school - or at least, the concepts of it [02:29] WORKING GROUP SECTION :-) [02:29] ScottK: ya, we did punch cards as well [02:30] Our school just stopped teaching True basic a few years ago. [02:30] i had a keyboarding class [02:30] OO programming just made my head hurt for the longest time. [02:30] jjesse: ah yes, so did i. they still seem to teach them [02:30] using typing books? [02:30] nah. a typing program [02:31] haha, our keyboard class was on a typewriter in 1987 [02:32] I was in typrewriter class when Janet Reno burned down the Davidians [02:32] $ELDEST_CHILD (who is 17, but not at all technical) wanted to get pictures off her camera yesterday. I gave her a USB cable and told her to plug it in the front panel of the computer. She came back because she was confused if she should plug it into the computer (monitor) or the 'big box thingy next to the computer' (the computer). [02:32] She wants to be a fashion designer. [02:33] depends did the monitor have a usb port ? [02:33] jjesse: No. [02:33] ouch [02:33] mind you, there are a lot of things at the back of a computer, if you don't know where it is [02:33] but askign about the monitor is a bit..interesting [02:33] This one has front panel USB. [02:34] some monitors have usb ports in them [02:34] mine does [02:34] Macs do [02:35] well, if you can't see a port for it, that is [02:35] Right, but I told her to plug it into the computer (aka the big box thingy). [02:36] * Hobbsee knows people who think that going near the big part of the computer that isn't the monitor will get you electrocuted. [02:36] She uses the computer a lot (gotta be up to date on facebook) and I wonder if she has ever wondered before why the big box thingy was there. [02:37] oh, it's probably a paperweight ;) [02:37] * ScottK seems to vaguely recall Hobbsee teaching them that so the wouldn't mess with it. [02:37] ScottK: Sure she has. Where else do those CDs go? [02:37] ScottK: no, no, i didn't teach them that... [02:37] ScottK: doens't help that the machines in questions are all POS anyway [02:38] Are you sure. I thought I remembered something about you arranging to convince someone they shouldn't open them or something. [02:38] Like about a year and a half ago. [02:38] hrm. no. i convinced them that they should tell me how to go about fixing the lack of sound, and that *i* wouldn't get electrocuted. [02:38] Ah. That's it. [02:38] yup [02:39] interestingly, i've also done things like fix the display resolution on other computers, and people are like "oh, i can't tell the difference" [02:39] apparently they don't notice the flickering screen [02:39] * Hobbsee has also been using the "I glared at it, told it to behave, and magic happened" method of fixing things, too. [02:40] lol [02:40] so now they tend to come to me, if i'm there [02:40] then the boss gets all questioney, and goes "but how did you *do* it?" "magic" "but how????" [02:45] It wouldn't work for you, but sometimes I say stuff like, "I learned in the Navy. If I told you, I'd have to kill you." [02:45] * ScottK guesses nixternal does too. [02:46] not me! [02:46] :) [03:08] if i had a nickel for everytime i hear that... [03:19] if I had a nickel! [03:40] hmm I think it's time for some kubuntu stuff [03:40] what coding is needed? [03:41] all of it [03:42] all of it? ok, will start with a kernel... [03:42] lol [03:42] way to go! [04:01] apachelogger, ping [04:04] or ScottK ping [04:05] NCommander: Pong. [04:06] ScottK, I'm currently testbuilding a patch for akondai to change the debs to use lzma compression, which should help get us some space back on theCD [04:06] * NCommander can also look to see where else we can cut stuff out to make more space) [04:06] NCommander: The bigger problem is mysql. We don't need all of it, so it needs some splitting out. [04:07] what is it depending on in mysql? [04:07] Akdonadi. [04:07] no [04:07] Amarok will use the Mysql 5.1 embedded lib once we go to Amarok 2 also. [04:08] Oh [04:08] Yes. [04:08] The embedded lib? [04:08] * NCommander has actually coded against it [04:08] Hmmmm. [04:08] Not sure if I would call it embedded, but ... [04:08] I used it as a database in an IE plugin [04:08] back when I was younger and stupider [04:09] You can look at the Amarok 2 packages in whatever PPA they're stuffed in. [04:09] We don't provide the embedded only version, we seem to only provide the much larger connection library ... [04:10] 5.0 doesn't have the embedded. [04:12] we don't have 5.1 in the archive? [04:12] Not yet. It's in Debian Experimental. [04:49] * ScottK test builds mysql 5.1. [05:01] * ScottK is also realizing he is coming down with a cold, just in time to travel and then infect his entire extended family. [05:03] ScottK: Just stay away from jcastro ;) [05:05] Why, does he have a delicate constitution? [05:06] ScottK: He is sick too [05:06] Ah. [05:06] This is why you need to get on identi.ca ;) [05:06] i avoided the uds illness by not being present for the entire summit! [05:10] Apparently I failed to avoid it even though I didn't go.... [05:10] i suppose you could blame me or seele ;) [05:10] Right, infected the entire metropolitan area and got me too. [05:11] hehe [05:15] I was ok for uds, I bulked up on vitamin C [06:18] ScottK, ping [06:54] Riddell, ping [06:59] there I don't get a ping because last time I didn't pong :P [06:59] NCommander: the thing wiht embedded mysql is that you don't need a lib [06:59] the only runtime dependency is -data [06:59] and even that could be stripped further for amarok [06:59] well, normally embedded mysql becomes a .a [07:04] soyuz is spamming! [07:05] my package related imap dir currently contains 212 unread mails -.- === f4l3_ is now known as f4l3 [07:56] NCommander: hi [07:57] how goes it Riddell :-) [07:57] super thanks [08:01] ~np [08:01] apachelogger is listening to "All in One" by Bob Marley & The Wailers & The Upsetters [08:01] * apachelogger hugs NCommander and Riddell [08:01] ~np [08:01] NCommander listened to "Main Theme of Final Fantasy VII" by 植松伸夫 [Final Fantasy VII: Original Soundtrack (disc 2), 1997] 3 hours ago [08:01] w00t, it works [08:05] Riddell: do you know someone we could poke about https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18373 [08:05] Freedesktop bug 18373 in desktop-entry "Current desktop file spec unclear on validity of non-set Path entry" [Normal,New] [08:06] no progress is too little progress IMHO :-) [08:07] apachelogger: xdg list? [08:07] point [08:07] Riddell: are you subscribed? [08:08] no idea [08:09] hehe, ok :) [08:44] Riddell, are you a DD? [08:45] * NCommander tries to remember ... [08:47] Riddell or apachelogger, if your in a sponsoring mood, I'd appericate if you can sponsor a patch for me ... [08:47] which will fix kde4bindings finally [08:49] * apachelogger is running batl10n right now, so he doesn't have much bandwith to work with [08:53] Riddell, ? [09:22] * NCommander sighs [09:24] actually fix it? [09:29] Hobbsee, fix I have [09:29] no one wants to sponsor [09:30] patch location? [09:30] not committing to sponsor it, but i'll look at it [09:30] I committed it to Debian python-modules SVN [09:30] * NCommander digs for it [09:31] Hobbsee, you wouldn't happen to be a DD in hiding would you :-)? [09:31] oh. nope [09:31] i thought it was for ubuntu [09:31] It is for Ubuntu [09:31] i'm no help for debian stuff [09:32] I can rip the patch out and slap it on an Ubuntu package :-) [09:32] Which will fix kde4bindings for ARM finally [09:33] ahh [09:33] oh, that'd be nice [09:33] I'm trying to get Debian to accept it so we don't have to carry an ubuntu diff [09:35] good idea! [09:38] I'm just waiting for a sponsor to wait up :-) [09:39] try poking them in the ribs? [09:40] That was so funny I forgot to laugh. [09:41] hm [09:41] * apachelogger is wondering why libdpkg-ruby doesn't have a debian/* parser [09:42] apachelogger, can you commit to the KDE SVN repo? [09:42] NCommander: yes [09:42] .!!!~~~~>Bat l10n WARNING: he not yet in the archives - please package manually!!!!!!!!!!!!! [09:42] .!!!~~~~>Bat l10n WARNING: gu not yet in the archives - please package manually!!!!!!!!!!!!! [09:42] oh dear! [09:42] o-O; [09:42] apachelogger, mind kicking the kubuntu_qt_ftbfs patch into SVN? Part off it has already gone, I'd like to get everything in however [09:43] NCommander: did you talk to upstream? [09:44] apachelogger, I thought I was doing that with you ;-) [09:44] * apachelogger is not exactly a kdelibs maintainer :P [09:45] One of the larger ARM patches went, this one got left behind I think (the cmake rules one went) [09:45] I can ask an upstream dev [09:46] NCommander: I suggest you mail it to kde-core-devel@kde.org [09:46] Shall be done [09:46] I'll poke sime on the other side of the KDE bindings patch [09:46] should be most efficient way to get it at least approved, if not committed [09:47] * apachelogger prepares kde4libs 4.1.85a [09:47] NCommander: he is on holiday [09:47] you might want to find someone else [09:47] d'oh [09:47] apachelogger, ack, no, please ;.; [09:47] apachelogger, I just got everything building [09:48] NCommander: so? the new tarball only should change docbook entities AFAIK [09:48] apachelogger, oh ... [09:48] If it was code changes ... [09:48] ;.; [09:49] ^_^ [09:49] the good thing is, with rc1 everything will break all over again :P [09:50] <3 batpull [09:50] Not really [09:50] most of it is already in SVN [09:50] NCommander: bindings always finds new ways on breaking [09:51] Just let me have my one thing compile :-P [09:51] :) [11:34] Riddell, feel like sponsoring still? [11:34] NCommander: if you feel sponsoring, I might need a new keyboard for my phone/pda [11:36] o_O? [11:36] NCommander: sure [11:36] * NCommander has to rip his changeset out of Debian SVN [11:40] ok, done [11:41] now to test build the sucker [12:03] * apachelogger can parse deps \\o/ [12:24] * Riddell updates automoc [12:31] http://kde42.debian.net/debian/pool/main/k/kdevelop/ << we need to steal this :P [12:31] wasn't someone working on that? [12:31] * apachelogger seems to remember someone wanted to do it [12:31] needs renamed to not clash with kdevelop from kde 3 [12:31] of which there's a new version too [12:31] right [12:35] Riddell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/+bug/308814 [12:35] Ubuntu bug 308814 in python-qt4 "kde4bindings fails to build on ARM" [High,Fix committed] [12:35] WHen you test build it, please install it and make sure the symlink comes out properly [12:36] (I'm testing it here as well, but I might have remants of old versions lying aroubnd) [12:39] NCommander: test build python-qt4? [12:39] I attached the 2ubuntu2 debdiff [12:39] I must say, I am pretty awesome at times [12:41] apachelogger: we always said so [12:44] :) [13:00] if a bug is fixed in our 4.2beta2 packages is that enough to close it as fixed or should the fix be backported to 4.1.x ? [13:00] and on that note, did 4.1.4 get cancelled? [13:01] specifically bug 274170 [13:01] Launchpad bug 274170 in kdepim "Crash on deleting blank task in ktimetracker" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274170 [13:01] Arby: depends if it backportwothy+backportable [13:01] Arby: 4.2 beta 2 is in jaunty so it can be closed as fixed [13:02] .4 was pushed back to january [13:02] ok so would fixing that crash be considered backportworthy, or just wait for 4.1.4? [13:03] I'd plump for just wait [13:03] it's annoying but not critical. [13:03] and the work around is trivial [13:03] yeah [13:03] wait [13:03] cool, thanks. [13:03] I'll add a comment to the bug [13:03] 4.1.4 was delayed because it clashed with beta 2 [13:04] didn't we know that months ago? [13:04] wonder why they waited [13:04] Arby: also the amount of commits weren't enough for a release [13:05] ok that's a more sensible argument [13:05] I'm jut curious because there are several bug fixes to system-config-printer-kde that should come with .4 [13:06] s/jut/just/ [13:07] while we're on the subject, are we planning to make 4.2.0 available in -updates on intrepid or ppa only? [13:07] not -updates [13:07] -backports if it's tested [13:08] I'd say kubuntu-members-kde4 => aggregate testing => copy to -backports [13:08] yep [13:08] sorry, I get confused between -updates, -backports and -proposed [13:08] it gets confusing [13:09] especially if you consider all the PPAs we have and the usecase for them which changes every week :P [13:20] * NCommander considers bed [13:22] argh.. ScottK i forget which quassel i need to install from your PPA. quassel-client or just quassel? === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [13:22] seele: quassel [13:28] smarter: ok thanks [13:28] morning [13:29] Riddell, the patch I gave you works [13:35] NCommander: just finished compiling here [13:35] NCommander: what am I looking for? [13:37] Riddell, install it, and make sure /usr/lib/python*/site-packages/PyQt4/pyqtconfig.py is a symlink [13:37] And that removing python-qt4-dev doesn't remove it, but removing python-qt4 does [13:37] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 Dec 22 13:36 /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyQt4/pyqtconfig.py -> /usr/share/pyshared/PyQt4/pyqtconfig.py [13:38] yes and yes [13:40] Cool [13:40] Upload when ready [13:40] I know the symlink is weird, but blame dh_pycentral [13:42] uploaded === Arby_ is now known as Arby [13:43] Riddell, ok, when it builds on armel, and is status: Done, punch retry on kde4bindings on armel [13:43] It should just build [13:43] * Riddell raises eyebrow noting that Arby and _seelenn_ are connected from the same IP address [13:44] * NCommander sees Riddell and raises him a second eyebrow [13:44] not rocket science dude, she's about 4 feet away :) [13:45] damn it, Debian import kicked in for the day [13:45] Hobbsee, ping [13:45] Riddell, can you rescore? [13:45] I can not [13:46] and we're down an ARM builder ... [13:46] ;.; [13:47] Second BTW, Riddell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libaio/+bug/309350 [13:47] Ubuntu bug 309350 in libaio "Merge libaio from Debian" [High,In progress] [13:47] :-) [13:50] NCommander: groovy, uploading [13:50] soren asked me to look at it, thus I did === _seelenn_ is now known as ^seelenn^ [14:13] * ScottK files the removal bug for guidance-power-manager. [14:13] hm [14:14] 51 languages uploaded [14:14]