[00:25] SteveA: ping [00:36] emgent`: given that you don't seem to be having much luck, maybe email him? [00:37] Or find a more appropriate person. [00:37] wgrant: i mailed kiko too, but i think that i should be wait tomorrow [00:38] i have little urgence to activate nubuntu in launchpad for start the tracker and the other stuff [00:40] emgent`: May I ask why you are creating a derivative? [00:40] As an Ubuntu developer, I would think you would know that that's not the best way to go about things. [00:41] wgrant: nubuntu exist since 6.X [00:42] and it`s a really specific project [00:42] anyway i will commit all packages in ubuntu repo dont worry :) [00:42] Good, good. [01:58] Can someone help figure out how to add another administrator to a team I own? [01:58] ausimage: You click on the edit link next to them on +members. [01:59] the pencil? [01:59] Yes. [01:59] there! it was hiding from me :/ [01:59] thanks [02:15] https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/lansones [03:43] Where do I report launchpad abuse to get an account disabled? [03:45] mdeslaur: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion, given that the usual AsiaPac LOSA is on leave. [03:45] Which user is it? They've had a few usuals lately... [03:46] hi wgrant. It would be this guy: https://launchpad.net/~maurizio-live [03:47] Ah. [03:47] Him again. [03:47] spm loves him. [03:47] hehe [03:47] But what the frick is he doing reenabled. [03:47] Maybe he hasn't been disabled since they fixed that bug. [03:47] what bug? [03:47] Oh. [03:48] he's back at it. [03:48] Bastard. [03:48] The bug where a deactivated user could reactivate their account. [03:48] ouch [03:48] that's a bad bug :) [03:48] * wgrant hopes there is a LOSA around soonish. [03:48] But of course everybody is on leave, so it probably won't get fixed for two weeks like bugmail. [03:50] I guess we might have herb in 12 hours. [03:51] ok, I'll ask herb tomorrow [03:51] thanks wgrant [03:51] * wgrant forgets who the other LOSA is. [03:51] Ah. [03:51] Nobody. [03:51] That would explain it. [03:51] mthaddon is the other losa [03:52] Right, but he's not here. [03:52] indeed [03:52] I wonder if somebody forgot to really kill maurizio-live after the rollout, or if there is YALPB that we have to work out ourselves. [04:17] I've just renamed my short name and my PPA url for sources.list now 404s. Have I broken it or will it rebuild itself in time? [04:19] sgorf: If you changed your name on LP, your PPA url will also change [04:19] nhandler: Yes it has, but the URL itself 404s [04:19] The new URL that is [04:19] The new url? [04:19] Are you using the URL listed on your ppa page? [04:20] Yes - that 404s. I've just tried and the old URL still works. These URLs are http://ppa.launchpad.net/... [04:20] sgorf: You'll have to convince Launchpad to republish your PPA - just uploading a package or copying an existing one to another distribution series will do it. [04:20] (if you do it now, it'll be fixed in 20 minutes) [04:22] wgrant: Thanks. I've made a copy to another series. I guess I'll just wait for the new URL to start working and then delete it again? [04:23] You can probably actually delete it now, but I'd not risk it. [04:23] So yes, do as you say. [04:23] Great - thanks very much [04:24] np [04:34] stub: Thanks! [04:35] stub: Can you tell if it was already disabled post-rollout? [04:35] Not now... [04:35] I thought there might have been a log somewhere. [04:36] Because I would have thought a LOSA would have done that... [04:36] There might be - I'm not normally doing this sort of thing ;) [04:38] I pondered pinging you when I saw you were around while it was being discussed, but presumed you wouldn't do anything of the sort. I am glad I was wrong! [04:38] Maybe he will stay dead for more than a day this time. [04:38] FUCKER [04:39] He's using his other account. [04:39] ~rutadeevacuacion [04:39] That *was* dead. [04:39] I'm sure of it. [04:40] stub: Can you kill that too, please? [04:40] Ok. [04:41] He noticed quickly this time :( [05:17] wgrant: It created http://ppa.launchpad.net/.../ubuntu/dists/jaunty/ (I copied from intrepid to jaunty) but not http://ppa.launchpad.net/.../ubuntu/dists/intrepid/ - and then an upload of a new package to intrepid failed during the chroot step as dists/intrepid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404'd [05:22] sgorf: Blah, I guess it only publishes dirty pockets. Copy something into each series you want published, and I'll see if there's a bug about this. [05:24] Bug #87326 is probably this. [05:24] Launchpad bug 87326 in soyuz "Support PPA Renaming and Reassignment" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87326 [05:26] Thanks. I think I've stuffed it more now. I can't seem to copy Hardy -> Gutsy as "same version has unpublished binaries in the destination archive for Hardy, please wait for them to be published before copying" - but it says that the hardy version is published [05:26] sgorf: You recently uploaded the hardy one? [05:27] I copied the hardy one from the broken intrepid one. The hardy one built ok [05:27] Ah. [05:27] Bug #283960 [05:27] Launchpad bug 283960 in soyuz "PPA page should re-assure the user that their binary packages are being published" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283960 [05:27] So then I deleted the intrepid one with the intention of then copying hardy back to intrepid [05:27] Binaries are published separate from sources. [05:27] Wait 13 minutes, try again. [05:27] Then the binaries will be published. [05:27] lol ok ;) [05:28] The 'Published' field on +archive just refers to the source. [05:29] Right. I think I understand the state now, thanks. [06:22] Launchpad. You have seriously failed. [06:22] Again. [06:22] That is just stupid. [06:22] Really, really stupid. [06:22] On multiple levels. [06:22] It was an awful lot easier than I suspected, too. [06:24] Can you just turn of P3As until somebody actually reviews their implementation, please? [06:26] * wgrant headdesks repeatedly. [06:26] Yes, I know I should be positive, but this is ridiculous. [06:27] we're using private ppas though [06:27] You're fucked then, sorry. [06:27] This is ridiculous. [06:28] I tried to attack through one avenue, and found an even easier avenue half-way through. Again. [06:28] That's two in a week. [06:34] Ah, I think I might see what's going on here. [06:34] So it's not entirely broken by design. [06:59] wgrant: no, they didn't kill him after the rollout. i asked one LOSA to, but he didn't end up doing it [07:00] although might have done so after lunch, when i hadn't checked again [07:02] Hobbsee: Ah, damn. [07:02] Maybe they'll stay dead now. [07:03] wgrant: well, i got my second account killed, and still haven't managed to be able to reactivate it again, so i am confident that they have actually fixed it correctly [07:03] or, that if they haven't, that it's going to take a while to figure out what the next way is to get in [07:03] * Hobbsee tried all the obvious options, but no dice. [07:13] OK, I take back my not entirely broken statement. [07:14] it's just mostly broken? [07:15] No, it's entirely broken. [07:15] make up your mind ;) [07:15] More broken than I'd imagined. [07:15] so how's it broken, and what are the implications? [07:15] That's for the private bug to know. [07:15] awww [07:16] can i get subscribed to it? :P [07:18] Oh good. [07:18] Bad evening, al-maisan. [07:23] wgrant: i'm starting they need to have something between production and edge, where you can just go in and point out all the holes, before this stuff gets released. [07:23] it would probably be the quickest way of finding them [07:23] and finding all the problems, before they became bigger problems. [07:36] I really fear the freeing now. [07:36] Even just the availability of design docs is going to make this stuff easier to find. I guess non-malicious people are just going to have to find them first. [07:39] * Hobbsee wonders if any other projects do offer private repositories, and other private stuff, centralise [07:39] d [07:47] Does the "deleted" status ever go away? [07:47] sgorf: In a PPA? [07:47] Yeah [07:48] No, those packages will show up forever. [07:48] hello wgrant [07:48] My PPA now works as it should, but it says "build failed" against intrepid, possibly because I copied it over a previous deleted version [07:48] how are things? [07:48] al-maisan: Hello... [07:48] al-maisan: Not optimal, if you check your bugmail. [07:48] hmm.. [07:49] What I don't really get is that how can you rebuild a package if it already exists in another series? Surely both builds end up in the same place in the pool? [07:49] sgorf: They do. [07:49] You can't copy it without binaries within the same PPAa. [07:49] It will tell you you are wrong. [07:49] wgrant: please point me to the bug you have in mind. [07:49] al-maisan: Bug #310507, bug #310503 [07:49] Bug 310507 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/310507 is private [07:50] Bug 310503 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/310503 is private [07:50] wgrant: OK I get that...but then how can I have build failed in one series but build succeeded in another - both in the same ppa? [07:50] * al-maisan takes a look [07:50] sgorf: Hm, where's this? [07:50] https://launchpad.net/~racb/+archive?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=any [07:51] I've made a right mess of it if deleted packages are going to hang around forever :-/ [07:51] That's an interesting case. [07:51] Why? [07:51] Deleted packages don't affect much. [07:51] Yeah but it's ugly! [07:51] Other than stopping you from uploading the same version again. [07:51] Oh. [07:51] You mean like that, I see. [07:52] No, those won't be there forever. [07:52] The aren't displayed by default, normally. [07:52] But these are because they were copied into and are still published in another series. [07:52] That's probably a bug. [07:52] I see [07:53] I have to say I'm very impressed by ppas and launchpad generally [07:53] Once they're gone from that other series, they should both vanish from the page. [07:53] I used to maintain all my own repositories by hand (for company internal stuff) [07:54] That's painful. [07:54] LP certainly makes things much easier. [07:55] Painful yeah - I built all packages by hand and copied the binaries around to get them to the repository and a script to update the Packages files. No pool - separate directories for each stream. And no removal of old packages either [07:55] Ah, fun. [07:58] One other ugliness - Jaunty is listed in the sources.list filter thing even though I don't have any packages for jaunty any more. I guess that's because a Release or Packages file exists for it [07:58] Right, that sounds like another bug, and I think that one might already be filed. [07:59] Quite a lot of bugs exposed for one night's work then :-) [08:00] Are there any bugs you think I should file? [08:01] sgorf: You could file the one about the deleted packages still showing up. [08:01] If it is already filed, and I don't think it is, somebody who knows will fix it up, I'm sure. [08:02] So the deleted package should have disappeared, but hasn't, right? [08:02] Correct. [08:15] wgrant: Bug #231364 suggests that I might have to wait 24 hours - or do you think that doesn't apply here? [08:15] Launchpad bug 231364 in soyuz "PPA still shows packages even though they are not available to be deleted (cannot clean up my PPA)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/231364 [08:16] sgorf: I don't think that's relevant here - that's for the packages in the pool. [08:17] OK thanks. I'll file a bug [08:28] OK filed bug #310517, thanks very much for the help wgrant [08:28] Launchpad bug 310517 in soyuz "PPA package not cleared out after delete" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/310517 [08:28] sgorf: np === kiko is now known as kiko-afk [13:14] kiko-afk: ping about question 54892 [13:16] yeah yeah [13:17] * Hobbsee wonders if questions get dumped to the bottom of kiko's queue if they get asked about too much [13:19] sometimes! [13:20] wgrant, ping? [13:21] kiko-afk: he'll be asleep by now [13:21] kiko-afk: lol, you dont understand me :) [13:22] emgent, sometimes. sometimes. :) === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [13:23] kiko-afk: Hi... [13:25] kiko-afk: when you have time take a look on my reply. [13:25] or not === kiko-afk is now known as kiko === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === ursula_ is now known as Ursinha [16:40] are the 64bit ppa builds down? [16:40] hexmode: let me check [16:41] hexmode: no, nothing indicates that, americium is building. [16:42] k, just wondering because apt-get update is giving me nothing on some ppas... [16:42] will look a bit closer myself [16:55] any kind soul to review the .pot of the wader project? thanks :) === kiko is now known as kiko-afk [17:42] hate to ask this, but is there any way to remove someone from the "recently applied" / "deactivated" members list of a team ? [17:42] MagicFab, not really, no :( [17:44] beuno, not even by removing the account completely ? [17:44] MagicFab, maybe if it is deactivated, yes [17:44] sinzui, ^ [17:45] in fact I thjink this user just deactived their account [17:45] https://edge.launchpad.net/~sebastiancobaleda [17:45] MagicFab: No-one can remove an account [17:46] interesting, as I still have his account info in another browser. But opening a new window gives me an error [17:46] MagicFab: But I see I misunderstood. Congratulation, you have discovered a bug [17:47] MagicFab: I think the user is now gone. Is he still in your list? [17:48] sinzui, how could he remove himself ? I was going to ask the bug squad how he made it into that team as he was "fix released"ing bugs and causing damage in every place he participated! [17:51] sinzui, he had accumulated a karma of 5343 - ~3000 more than yesterday [17:51] MagicFab: I think the user is deactivated or suspended. No active users have that id, nor do I see sebastian cobaleda when I search. The user could have changed his name or displayname...but that wouls also show up in your list of "recently applied" [17:54] MagicFab: which team are you seeing this user in? [17:54] ok got it -> https://edge.launchpad.net/~jscc88-deactivatedaccount [17:55] I see [17:57] sinzui, he most probably accumulated a lot of karma by opening dummy accounts and sending answers back and forth. [17:57] ?? [17:57] Why? Blueprints are the way to get karma for doing nothing? [18:01] MagicFab: Is this user stuck in a recently applied list? For which project? Deactivated users should not appear in a list to join a team === al-maisan is now known as al-maisan-out [18:11] sinzui, as I asked here he apparently zapped himself from everywhere [18:16] MagicFab: I don't think that is the whole story. A lot of questions are unsolved. I don't see any spam in his remarks. Though I don't think his advise was often helpful [18:17] I see a lot of cut & paste comments, and he may just have preferred to storm out. [18:29] In bugs.../.../+bug/.../+choose-affected-product, how do I select an Ubuntu package? I can see other bugs listed as "bluez (Ubuntu)", but entering "ubuntu", "bluez", "ubuntu bluez", "ubuntu/bluez" all fail to find it [18:30] sgorf, full URL? [18:30] to the project? [18:30] sure, why not [18:30] I tried https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez and that failed also [18:32] sgorf, where are you trying to link it? [18:32] https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/285412 [18:32] Ubuntu bug 285412 in alsa-lib "ALSA lib pcm_bluetooth.c:1619:(bluetooth_init) BT_GETCAPABILITIES failed : Input/output error(5)" [Undecided,New] [18:32] I've found that that bug is actually a general Ubuntu bug, in I think bluez [18:32] As it affects non-alsa stuff for me in Intrepid [18:33] So I am trying to add "bluez (Ubuntu)" as an "also affects project", then enter a comment to explain [18:33] sgorf, if you want to link to a package [18:33] sgorf: Use also affects distribution [18:33] you'll need to use "Also affects distribution..." [18:33] (I know, not intuitive, we're fixing it) [18:34] OK, it seems obvious now - and it worked - thanks! [18:34] :) [19:06] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?advanced=1 [19:06] the tag list is too long [19:07] and I have no idea how to search for "usb" in jaunty [19:09] anyone know the status of the launchpad + PQM integration? [19:09] is that something we can be looking forward to in Q1 2009? === sale_ is now known as sale === vednis is now known as mars === glade88_ is now known as glade88 [21:08] how do I check out trunk from a project? it would be nice to have something I can cut/paste into a shell on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mdipierro/web2conf/devel [21:10] CarlFK, if the project has set a branch as their development focus, it's just a simple: bzr branch lp:projectname [21:11] CarlFK, which that project hasn't === Sidnei_ is now known as sidnei === fta_ is now known as fta === glade88 is now known as glade88|ZzZ