[00:25] <emgent`> SteveA: ping
[00:36] <wgrant> emgent`: given that you don't seem to be having much luck, maybe email him?
[00:37] <wgrant> Or find a more appropriate person.
[00:37] <emgent`> wgrant: i mailed kiko too, but i think that i should be wait tomorrow
[00:38] <emgent`> i have little urgence to activate nubuntu in launchpad for start the tracker and the other stuff
[00:40] <wgrant> emgent`: May I ask why you are creating a derivative?
[00:40] <wgrant> As an Ubuntu developer, I would think you would know that that's not the best way to go about things.
[00:41] <emgent`> wgrant: nubuntu exist since 6.X
[00:42] <emgent`> and it`s a really specific project
[00:42] <emgent`> anyway i will commit all packages in ubuntu repo dont worry :)
[00:42] <wgrant> Good, good.
[01:58] <ausimage> Can someone help figure out how to add another administrator to a team I own?
[01:58] <wgrant> ausimage: You click on the edit link next to them on +members.
[01:59] <ausimage> the pencil?
[01:59] <wgrant> Yes.
[01:59] <ausimage> there! it was hiding from me :/
[01:59] <ausimage> thanks
[02:15] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/lansones
[03:43] <mdeslaur> Where do I report launchpad abuse to get an account disabled?
[03:45] <wgrant> mdeslaur: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion, given that the usual AsiaPac LOSA is on leave.
[03:45] <wgrant> Which user is it? They've had a few usuals lately...
[03:46] <mdeslaur> hi wgrant. It would be this guy: https://launchpad.net/~maurizio-live
[03:47] <wgrant> Ah.
[03:47] <wgrant> Him again.
[03:47] <wgrant> spm loves him.
[03:47] <mdeslaur> hehe
[03:47] <wgrant> But what the frick is he doing reenabled.
[03:47] <wgrant> Maybe he hasn't been disabled since they fixed that bug.
[03:47] <mdeslaur> what bug?
[03:47] <wgrant> Oh.
[03:48] <wgrant> he's back at it.
[03:48] <wgrant> Bastard.
[03:48] <wgrant> The bug where a deactivated user could reactivate their account.
[03:48] <mdeslaur> ouch
[03:48] <mdeslaur> that's a bad bug :)
[03:48]  * wgrant hopes there is a LOSA around soonish.
[03:48] <wgrant> But of course everybody is on leave, so it probably won't get fixed for two weeks like bugmail.
[03:50] <wgrant> I guess we might have herb in 12 hours.
[03:51] <mdeslaur> ok, I'll ask herb tomorrow
[03:51] <mdeslaur> thanks wgrant
[03:51]  * wgrant forgets who the other LOSA is.
[03:51] <wgrant> Ah.
[03:51] <wgrant> Nobody.
[03:51] <wgrant> That would explain it.
[03:51] <mwhudson> mthaddon is the other losa
[03:52] <wgrant> Right, but he's not here.
[03:52] <mwhudson> indeed
[03:52] <wgrant> I wonder if somebody forgot to really kill maurizio-live after the rollout, or if there is YALPB that we have to work out ourselves.
[04:17] <sgorf> I've just renamed my short name and my PPA url for sources.list now 404s. Have I broken it or will it rebuild itself in time?
[04:19] <nhandler> sgorf: If you changed your name on LP, your PPA url will also change
[04:19] <sgorf> nhandler: Yes it has, but the URL itself 404s
[04:19] <sgorf> The new URL that is
[04:19] <nhandler> The new url?
[04:19] <nhandler> Are you using the URL listed on your ppa page?
[04:20] <sgorf> Yes - that 404s. I've just tried and the old URL still works. These URLs are http://ppa.launchpad.net/...
[04:20] <wgrant> sgorf: You'll have to convince Launchpad to republish your PPA - just uploading a package or copying an existing one to another distribution series will do it.
[04:20] <wgrant> (if you do it now, it'll be fixed in 20 minutes)
[04:22] <sgorf> wgrant: Thanks. I've made a copy to another series. I guess I'll just wait for the new URL to start working and then delete it again?
[04:23] <wgrant> You can probably actually delete it now, but I'd not risk it.
[04:23] <wgrant> So yes, do as you say.
[04:23] <sgorf> Great - thanks very much
[04:24] <wgrant> np
[04:34] <wgrant> stub: Thanks!
[04:35] <wgrant> stub: Can you tell if it was already disabled post-rollout?
[04:35] <stub> Not now...
[04:35] <wgrant> I thought there might have been a log somewhere.
[04:36] <wgrant> Because I would have thought a LOSA would have done that...
[04:36] <stub> There might be - I'm not normally doing this sort of thing ;)
[04:38] <wgrant> I pondered pinging you when I saw you were around while it was being discussed, but presumed you wouldn't do anything of the sort. I am glad I was wrong!
[04:38] <wgrant> Maybe he will stay dead for more than a day this time.
[04:38] <wgrant> FUCKER
[04:39] <wgrant> He's using his other account.
[04:39] <wgrant> ~rutadeevacuacion
[04:39] <wgrant> That *was* dead.
[04:39] <wgrant> I'm sure of it.
[04:40] <wgrant> stub: Can you kill that too, please?
[04:40] <stub> Ok.
[04:41] <wgrant> He noticed quickly this time :(
[05:17] <sgorf> wgrant: It created http://ppa.launchpad.net/.../ubuntu/dists/jaunty/ (I copied from intrepid to jaunty) but not http://ppa.launchpad.net/.../ubuntu/dists/intrepid/ - and then an upload of a new package to intrepid failed during the chroot step as dists/intrepid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404'd
[05:22] <wgrant> sgorf: Blah, I guess it only publishes dirty pockets. Copy something into each series you want published, and I'll see if there's a bug about this.
[05:24] <wgrant> Bug #87326 is probably this.
[05:26] <sgorf> Thanks. I think I've stuffed it more now. I can't seem to copy Hardy -> Gutsy as "same version has unpublished binaries in the destination archive for Hardy, please wait for them to be published before copying" - but it says that the hardy version is published
[05:26] <wgrant> sgorf: You recently uploaded the hardy one?
[05:27] <sgorf> I copied the hardy one from the broken intrepid one. The hardy one built ok
[05:27] <wgrant> Ah.
[05:27] <wgrant> Bug #283960
[05:27] <sgorf> So then I deleted the intrepid one with the intention of then copying hardy back to intrepid
[05:27] <wgrant> Binaries are published separate from sources.
[05:27] <wgrant> Wait 13 minutes, try again.
[05:27] <wgrant> Then the binaries will be published.
[05:27] <sgorf> lol ok ;)
[05:28] <wgrant> The 'Published' field on +archive just refers to the source.
[05:29] <sgorf> Right. I think I understand the state now, thanks.
[06:22] <wgrant> Launchpad. You have seriously failed.
[06:22] <wgrant> Again.
[06:22] <wgrant> That is just stupid.
[06:22] <wgrant> Really, really stupid.
[06:22] <wgrant> On multiple levels.
[06:22] <wgrant> It was an awful lot easier than I suspected, too.
[06:24] <wgrant> Can you just turn of P3As until somebody actually reviews their implementation, please?
[06:26]  * wgrant headdesks repeatedly.
[06:26] <wgrant> Yes, I know I should be positive, but this is ridiculous.
[06:27] <jamesh> we're using private ppas though
[06:27] <wgrant> You're fucked then, sorry.
[06:27] <wgrant> This is ridiculous.
[06:28] <wgrant> I tried to attack through one avenue, and found an even easier avenue half-way through. Again.
[06:28] <wgrant> That's two in a week.
[06:34] <wgrant> Ah, I think I might see what's going on here.
[06:34] <wgrant> So it's not entirely broken by design.
[06:59] <Hobbsee> wgrant: no, they didn't kill him after the rollout.  i asked one LOSA to, but he didn't end up doing it
[07:00] <Hobbsee> although might have done so after lunch, when i hadn't checked again
[07:02] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Ah, damn.
[07:02] <wgrant> Maybe they'll stay dead now.
[07:03] <Hobbsee> wgrant: well, i got my second account killed, and still haven't managed to be able to reactivate it again, so i am confident that they have actually fixed it correctly
[07:03] <Hobbsee> or, that if they haven't, that it's going to take a while to figure out what the next way is to get in
[07:03]  * Hobbsee tried all the obvious options, but no dice.
[07:13] <wgrant> OK, I take back my not entirely broken statement.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> it's just mostly broken?
[07:15] <wgrant> No, it's entirely broken.
[07:15] <Hobbsee> make up your mind ;)
[07:15] <wgrant> More broken than I'd imagined.
[07:15] <Hobbsee> so how's it broken, and what are the implications?
[07:15] <wgrant> That's for the private bug to know.
[07:15] <Hobbsee> awww
[07:16] <Hobbsee> can i get subscribed to it?  :P
[07:18] <wgrant> Oh good.
[07:18] <wgrant> Bad evening, al-maisan.
[07:23] <Hobbsee> wgrant: i'm starting they need to have something between production and edge, where you can just go in and point out all the holes, before this stuff gets released.
[07:23] <Hobbsee> it would probably be the quickest way of finding them
[07:23] <Hobbsee> and finding all the problems, before they became bigger problems.
[07:36] <wgrant> I really fear the freeing now.
[07:36] <wgrant> Even just the availability of design docs is going to make this stuff easier to find. I guess non-malicious people are just going to have to find them first.
[07:39]  * Hobbsee wonders if any other projects do offer private repositories, and other private stuff, centralise
[07:39] <Hobbsee> d
[07:47] <sgorf> Does the "deleted" status ever go away?
[07:47] <wgrant> sgorf: In a PPA?
[07:47] <sgorf> Yeah
[07:48] <wgrant> No, those packages will show up forever.
[07:48] <al-maisan> hello wgrant
[07:48] <sgorf> My PPA now works as it should, but it says "build failed" against intrepid, possibly because I copied it over a previous deleted version
[07:48] <al-maisan> how are things?
[07:48] <wgrant> al-maisan: Hello...
[07:48] <wgrant> al-maisan: Not optimal, if you check your bugmail.
[07:48] <al-maisan> hmm..
[07:49] <sgorf> What I don't really get is that how can you rebuild a package if it already exists in another series? Surely both builds end up in the same place in the pool?
[07:49] <wgrant> sgorf: They do.
[07:49] <wgrant> You can't copy it without binaries within the same PPAa.
[07:49] <wgrant> It will tell you you are wrong.
[07:49] <al-maisan> wgrant: please point me to the bug you have in mind.
[07:49] <wgrant> al-maisan: Bug #310507, bug #310503
[07:50] <sgorf> wgrant: OK I get that...but then how can I have build failed in one series but build succeeded in another - both in the same ppa?
[07:50]  * al-maisan takes a look
[07:50] <wgrant> sgorf: Hm, where's this?
[07:50] <sgorf> https://launchpad.net/~racb/+archive?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=any
[07:51] <sgorf> I've made a right mess of it if deleted packages are going to hang around forever :-/
[07:51] <wgrant> That's an interesting case.
[07:51] <wgrant> Why?
[07:51] <wgrant> Deleted packages don't affect much.
[07:51] <sgorf> Yeah but it's ugly!
[07:51] <wgrant> Other than stopping you from uploading the same version again.
[07:51] <wgrant> Oh.
[07:51] <wgrant> You mean like that, I see.
[07:52] <wgrant> No, those won't be there forever.
[07:52] <wgrant> The aren't displayed by default, normally.
[07:52] <wgrant> But these are because they were copied into and are still published in another series.
[07:52] <wgrant> That's probably a bug.
[07:52] <sgorf> I see
[07:53] <sgorf> I have to say I'm very impressed by ppas and launchpad generally
[07:53] <wgrant> Once they're gone from that other series, they should both vanish from the page.
[07:53] <sgorf> I used to maintain all my own repositories by hand (for company internal stuff)
[07:54] <wgrant> That's painful.
[07:54] <wgrant> LP certainly makes things much easier.
[07:55] <sgorf> Painful yeah - I built all packages by hand and copied the binaries around to get them to the repository and a script to update the Packages files. No pool - separate directories for each stream. And no removal of old packages either
[07:55] <wgrant> Ah, fun.
[07:58] <sgorf> One other ugliness - Jaunty is listed in the sources.list filter thing even though I don't have any packages for jaunty any more. I guess that's because a Release or Packages file exists for it
[07:58] <wgrant> Right, that sounds like another bug, and I think that one might already be filed.
[07:59] <sgorf> Quite a lot of bugs exposed for one night's work then :-)
[08:00] <sgorf> Are there any bugs you think I should file?
[08:01] <wgrant> sgorf: You could file the one about the deleted packages still showing up.
[08:01] <wgrant> If it is already filed, and I don't think it is, somebody who knows will fix it up, I'm sure.
[08:02] <sgorf> So the deleted package should have disappeared, but hasn't, right?
[08:02] <wgrant> Correct.
[08:15] <sgorf> wgrant: Bug #231364 suggests that I might have to wait 24 hours - or do you think that doesn't apply here?
[08:16] <wgrant> sgorf: I don't think that's relevant here - that's for the packages in the pool.
[08:17] <sgorf> OK thanks. I'll file a bug
[08:28] <sgorf> OK filed bug #310517, thanks very much for the help wgrant
[08:28] <wgrant> sgorf: np
[13:14] <emgent> kiko-afk: ping about question 54892
[13:16] <kiko-afk> yeah yeah
[13:17]  * Hobbsee wonders if questions get dumped to the bottom of kiko's queue if they get asked about too much
[13:19] <kiko-afk> sometimes!
[13:20] <kiko-afk> wgrant, ping?
[13:21] <Hobbsee> kiko-afk: he'll be asleep by now
[13:21] <emgent> kiko-afk: lol, you dont understand me :)
[13:22] <kiko-afk> emgent, sometimes. sometimes. :)
[13:23] <wgrant> kiko-afk: Hi...
[13:25] <emgent> kiko-afk: when you have time take a look on my reply.
[13:25] <Hobbsee> or not
[16:40] <hexmode> are the 64bit ppa builds down?
[16:40] <cprov> hexmode: let me check
[16:41] <cprov> hexmode: no, nothing indicates that, americium is building.
[16:42] <hexmode> k, just wondering because apt-get update is giving me nothing on some ppas...
[16:42] <hexmode> will look a bit closer myself
[16:55] <pmarti> any kind soul to review the .pot of the wader project? thanks :)
[17:42] <MagicFab> hate to ask this, but is there any way to remove someone from the "recently applied" / "deactivated" members list of a team ?
[17:42] <beuno> MagicFab, not really, no  :(
[17:44] <MagicFab> beuno, not even by removing the account completely ?
[17:44] <beuno> MagicFab, maybe if it is deactivated, yes
[17:44] <beuno> sinzui, ^
[17:45] <MagicFab> in fact I thjink this user just deactived their account
[17:45] <MagicFab> https://edge.launchpad.net/~sebastiancobaleda
[17:45] <sinzui> MagicFab: No-one can remove an account
[17:46] <MagicFab> interesting, as I still have his account info in another browser. But opening a new window gives me an error
[17:46] <sinzui> MagicFab: But I see I misunderstood. Congratulation, you have discovered a bug
[17:47] <sinzui> MagicFab: I think the user is now gone. Is he still in your list?
[17:48] <MagicFab> sinzui, how could he remove himself ? I was going to ask the bug squad how he made it into that team as he was  "fix released"ing bugs and causing damage in every place he participated!
[17:51] <MagicFab> sinzui, he had accumulated a karma of 5343 - ~3000 more than yesterday
[17:51] <sinzui> MagicFab: I think the user is deactivated or suspended. No active users have that id, nor do I see sebastian cobaleda when I search. The user could have changed his name or displayname...but that wouls also show up in your list of "recently applied"
[17:54] <sinzui> MagicFab: which team are you seeing this user in?
[17:54] <MagicFab> ok got it -> https://edge.launchpad.net/~jscc88-deactivatedaccount
[17:55] <sinzui> I see
[17:57] <MagicFab> sinzui, he most probably accumulated a lot of karma by opening dummy accounts and sending answers back and forth.
[17:57] <sinzui> ??
[17:57] <sinzui> Why? Blueprints are the way to get karma for doing nothing?
[18:01] <sinzui> MagicFab: Is this user stuck in a recently applied list? For which project? Deactivated users should not appear in a list to join a team
[18:11] <MagicFab> sinzui, as I asked here he apparently zapped himself from everywhere
[18:16] <sinzui> MagicFab: I don't think that is the whole story. A lot of questions are unsolved. I don't see any spam in his remarks. Though I don't think his advise was often helpful
[18:17] <MagicFab> I see a lot of cut & paste comments, and he may just have preferred to storm out.
[18:29] <sgorf> In bugs.../.../+bug/.../+choose-affected-product, how do I select an Ubuntu package? I can see other bugs listed as "bluez (Ubuntu)", but entering "ubuntu", "bluez", "ubuntu bluez", "ubuntu/bluez" all fail to find it
[18:30] <beuno> sgorf, full URL?
[18:30] <sgorf> to the project?
[18:30] <beuno> sure, why not
[18:30] <sgorf> I tried https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez and that failed also
[18:32] <beuno> sgorf, where are you trying to link it?
[18:32] <sgorf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/285412
[18:32] <sgorf> I've found that that bug is actually a general Ubuntu bug, in I think bluez
[18:32] <sgorf> As it affects non-alsa stuff for me in Intrepid
[18:33] <sgorf> So I am trying to add "bluez (Ubuntu)" as an "also affects project", then enter a comment to explain
[18:33] <beuno> sgorf, if you want to link to a package
[18:33] <nhandler> sgorf: Use also affects distribution
[18:33] <beuno> you'll need to use "Also affects distribution..."
[18:33] <beuno> (I know, not intuitive, we're fixing it)
[18:34] <sgorf> OK, it seems obvious now - and it worked - thanks!
[18:34] <nhandler> :)
[19:06] <CarlFK> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?advanced=1
[19:06] <CarlFK> the tag list is too long
[19:07] <CarlFK> and I have no idea how to search for "usb" in jaunty
[19:09] <lamalexmas> anyone know the status of the launchpad + PQM integration?
[19:09] <lamalexmas> is that something we can be looking forward to in Q1 2009?
[21:08] <CarlFK> how do I check out trunk from a project? it would be nice to have something I can cut/paste into a shell on  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mdipierro/web2conf/devel
[21:10] <beuno> CarlFK, if the project has set a branch as their development focus, it's just a simple:   bzr branch lp:projectname
[21:11] <beuno> CarlFK, which that project hasn't