[00:00] <acron17> e.g. synclient -h gives me "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?"
[00:20] <DanaG> argh, damned xorg is ignoring lots of my fdi file options.
[00:21] <DanaG> Emulate3Buttons is set to false........ and yet pressing left + right gives middle.
[00:21] <DanaG> EmulateWheel is set to true, and to middle button... and yet, middle button does not make it scroll.
[00:23] <DanaG> Oh, and ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't work.  Lovely.
[00:23] <DanaG> er... wait, I was hitting backSLASH.
[00:25] <DanaG> I should  never, ever be able to see this in XEV:
[00:26] <DanaG> What I was going to say:
[00:26] <DanaG> XEV should never see the terminate_server key.
[00:29] <crimsun> ah
[00:29] <crimsun> well, debugging those bits can be like alice down the rabbit hole
[00:30] <crimsun> first, an embarrassingly high number of symptoms can be worked around simply by rebooting
[00:30] <crimsun> second, if you have resumed, be aware that linux+hal quirks often are ignored (!)
[00:30] <DanaG> Even if I restart the hal daemon?
[00:31] <DanaG> And unload and reload psmouse, too.
[00:31] <crimsun> yes, that's how i discovered that the synaptics driver does the wrong thing post-resume _or_ post-hal-restart
[00:31] <DanaG> ah.
[00:32] <DanaG> Also, my "TouchStyk" (as Synaptics calls it) shows up as PS/2 Generic Mouse, so I can't do anything with it.
[00:32] <DanaG> I wish it would fall under the Synaptics device, instead.
[00:32] <crimsun> yes, i just went through that whole debugging shebang last week
[00:32] <DanaG> ah.
[00:32] <crimsun> try rebooting and seeing if that resolves the issue _or_ suspend-to-disk then resuming (after a fresh reboot, of course)
[00:32] <DanaG> If I reboot, will the disabling middle emulation and enabling emulate-wheel work?
[00:33] <crimsun> probably, i don't know your specific linux (:hw) quirks
[00:34] <crimsun> i'm slowly working through a bunch of acpi (linux, mostly) and suspend-to-ram bugs
[00:34] <DanaG> Off to try rebooting.  Oh yeah, and radeon_drv has missing symbols, so I'm using radeonhd.
[00:43] <DanaG> Odd... for some reason, I'm seeing lots of traffic between PulseAudio and my router.
[00:46] <DanaG> Another oddity: the buttons on the pointstick are attached logically to the touchpad device, not to the pointstick device.
[00:54] <DanaG> I can't figure out why PulseAudio is flooding my network despite me not playing any audio.
[00:55] <DanaG> .. or why netstat shows the traffic as going to my router itself, and not to the other computer.
[01:18] <DanaG> Okay, that's even weirder: by loading psmouse with proto=exps, I got the two devices to combine into one... which actually reported itself as PS/2 Synaptics Touchpad.......
[01:18] <DanaG> ...... and yet, HAL did not assign the 'touchpad' capability to it.
[01:20] <DanaG> ... and the Xorg synaptics driver says: (EE) PS/2 Synaptics TouchPad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device
[01:20] <DanaG> ... even though cat /proc/bus/input/devices SHOWS the touchpad name!
[01:24] <crimsun> hopefully you don't have what i have, meaning that /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_i8042_i8042_AUX1_port_logicaldev_input_0 gets info.capabilities = {'input', 'input.mouse', 'input.touchpad', 'access_control'}
[01:24] <crimsun> it makes for very, very (un)amusing loss of functionality upon hal restart
[01:25] <DanaG> For default settings, or for exps parameter?
[01:25] <crimsun> default settings
[01:26] <DanaG>  /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_i8042_i8042_AUX3_port_logicaldev_input gets { 'input',  'input.touchpad' }
[01:26] <DanaG> The pointstick (which is, rather stupidly, no longer part of the logical touchpad device!) gets name PS/2 Generic Mouse, and capabilities input, input.mouse, and access_control.
[01:27] <DanaG> Passing exps makes the stick fall under the the touchpad (as I think it damn well should be!)... but then the touchpad does not get the input.touchpad capability.
[01:28] <DanaG> http://lkml.org/lkml/2003/7/6/7
[01:29] <DanaG> Is it really supposed to be _useful_ to have an unconfigurable stick device?
[01:29] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and when I still had the match by input.touchpad.... it used evdev.... and the middle-emulation-disable and scroll-emulation-enable both worked.
[01:30] <DanaG> In Windows... it shows up as one device in device manager.
[01:33] <crimsun> oh, i presumed you were using input-hotplug
[01:33] <crimsun> is that not the case?
[01:33] <DanaG> I am, actually.  Custom fdi files.
[01:34] <DanaG> Do you happen to know how the synaptics xorg module actually decides whether something is a touchpad?
[01:34] <DanaG> Apparently, it's not by name.
[01:36] <IdleOne> since we are on the touchpad subject is it possible to get touchpad to activate itself when unplugging usb mouse and then deactivate when pluggin back in?
[01:38] <IdleOne> or better yet. can I possibly use one mouse on two monitors using separate system?
[01:39] <crimsun> DanaG: it's actually in xfree86-driver-synaptics-0.15.2/src/synaptics.c::QueryHardware()
[01:40] <crimsun> the actual structure is synhw
[01:41] <crimsun> this is invoked from xf86OpenSerial()
[01:41] <crimsun> see also SynapticsPreInit()
[01:43] <crimsun> the identification of models is in src/ps2comm.c::ps2_synaptics_identify()
[01:45] <crimsun> IdleOne: to the former question, yes
[01:46] <IdleOne> crimsun, is the a link I can follow for directions on how?
[01:47] <crimsun> IdleOne: no idea, i haven't searched the 'net
[01:47] <IdleOne> ok but it is doable
[01:47] <crimsun> quite
[01:47] <IdleOne> well then
[01:47]  * IdleOne goes searching
[01:50] <IdleOne> http://maketecheasier.com/ubuntu-hardy-disable-synaptics-touchpad-when-typing/2008/06/24   not exactly what I want but could be useful
[01:57] <IdleOne> well hot tamales....I have a button to turn on and off the touchpad
[01:57] <IdleOne> would still be nice if this issue could be done automagically with Synaptics
[02:02] <DanaG> hmm, I'll have to muck around in the source a bit, after dinner.  (was helping set the table.)
[02:02] <DanaG> It looks like the synaptics xorg driver assumes it will get the guest device's input directly... but then the kernel portion goes behind its back and breaks the guest device out as a secondary psmouse device.
[02:04] <DanaG> I'm going to try i8042.nomux, randomly, next time I boot.
[02:38] <naught101> has anyone else noticed that mp3s sound horrible in amarok on jaunty?
[03:03] <x1250> does anybody has a working gnome-settings-daemon (2.25.2-0ubuntu3)?
[03:06] <RAOF> x1250: Yup, works here.
[03:08] <x1250> RAOF, doesn't here, bug 309602
[03:13] <RAOF> I'd _guess_ that deleting ~/.config/monitors.xml.desired (or, better, moving it somewhere else) would fix that for you.
[03:16] <x1250> uhm, I'll test that, thanks
[03:27] <crimsun> x1250: just commented on that bug
[03:27] <x1250> RAOF, that fixed it :), I'll comment
[03:29] <RAOF> x1250: So, presumably that file was corrupt.  Someone should post their copy of it.
[03:29] <x1250> crimsun, then I have the dbg package. I have: gnome-settings-daemon-dbgsym installed
[03:29] <x1250> RAOF, post the corrupted file?
[03:30] <x1250> I still have it, I'll post it.
[03:30] <crimsun> x1250: yes, thanks
[03:37] <x1250> crimsun, RAOF, I posted the file. Anyway, after restarting X, the file was not regenerated, it doesn't exist now.
[04:09] <DanaG> argh, yeah.. radeon driver is broken.
[04:10] <DanaG> Undefined symbol.
[04:14] <DanaG> That pass-through thing really is lame, as long as there's no driver for the stick directly.
[04:18] <DanaG> ... and why the heck is pulseaudio flooding the network even though I have no audio playing in any apps whatsoever on any computer?
[04:32] <x1250> because pulseaudio sucks? :)
[04:33] <burner> constructive
[04:33] <x1250> joke :P
[04:33] <RAOF> DanaG: Because you've got a RTP broadcast sink set up?
[04:33] <DanaG> Nope.
[04:33] <DanaG> I'm not even playing any audio.
[04:34] <DanaG> And in netstat... it shows as going to my router, of all things.
[05:03] <DanaG> Argh... that's so stupid: the passthrough port renders the guest mouse useless.
[05:04] <DanaG> Instead of having it show up as a guest mouse to synclient and to the Synaptics xorg driver........ it instead shows up as a frickin' generic, untweakable mouse.  Stupid.
[06:39] <DanaG> damned fglrx... anything newer than 8.543 gives a kernel panic.
[07:39] <naught101> anyone here able to test something in inkscape for me?
[07:55] <Arodon> since moving to Jaunty (w/ intel 945) my TTYs are useless - all I get is some random lines which look like they're probably leftover from usplash. Is anyone else getting this?
[08:04] <Arodon> nvm looks like Bug #301737
[11:55] <laotseu> hi
[11:55] <laotseu> I've an issue with my nvidia driver under jaunty (i know it's not stable, but just want to know if somebody knows a workaroud). everything worked well until my last dist-upgrade. Now, i've to use the "nv" driver, if i try to install "nvidia-glx-177" apt wants to remove xorg & co ... does somebody know when it'll be ok ?
[11:56] <laotseu> it is not very important, but i'm just looking for information :)
[12:03] <RAOF> laotseu: The nvidia driver needs to be updated for the new Xserver ABI (again).  It won't be installable until then.
[13:09] <prahal_> hi I compiled at-spi without xevie support as otherwise its registry fails to start under xorg 1.6 (which does not have xevie anymore). Now rhythmbox mmkeys plugin (mulimedia keys) fails to work (more important it nearly freezes rhythmbox). Killing at-spi fixes this though I wondered if somebody versed into key managment could enlighten me about what could be wrong when at-spi is on
[13:10] <prahal_> so I could attempt to fix it . Or confirm that at-spi-registryd and rhythmbox plays well together when xevie support is available ( <= intrepid)
[13:11] <ikonia> not sure what your asking
[13:12] <hischild> prahal_, intrepid is in #ubuntu
[13:13] <prahal_> if rhythmbox does not stall for minutes when pressing a multimedia key on intrepid in short :) or if anyone using a non modified at-spi have at-spi-registryd running at the same time as rhythmbox on jaunty and pressing a multimedia key does not crawl his box
[13:14] <prahal_> thanks I ll ask the pre jaunty part in #ubuntu. I am still interested in experience about the jaunty part :)
[13:53] <ikonia> !a test
[13:54] <ikonia> mega
[14:18] <hischild> !test ?
[14:19] <hischild> !test
[14:19] <hischild> see :p it works! :D
[16:26] <nblracer> need some quick help if posiable; I just installed a radid card with a hard drives from an existing raid
[16:27] <nblracer> how would i go about mount the raid
[16:27] <ikonia> nblracer: what os was the raid system running on
[16:27] <nblracer> ubuntu is on another drive not in the raid
[16:27] <ikonia> nblracer: 1.) what os are you currently runing 2.) what OS was the raid disks running on before you move them
[16:27] <nblracer> on the raid it was originally win xp,
[16:28] <ikonia> nblracer: what os are you currently running
[16:28] <nblracer> i just want to see the data and copy over some critical files,
[16:28] <ikonia> nblracer: was it hardware raid or software raid
[16:28] <nblracer> ubuntu.8.1
[16:28] <ikonia> nblracer: then you are in the wrong channel, this is for 9.04 discussion
[16:29] <ikonia> nblracer: you need #ubuntu for support
[16:29] <nblracer> hardweare promise fastrack tx2000
[16:29] <nblracer> the raid bios found the drives and recognize the raid
[16:29] <ikonia> nblracer: you need #ubuntu for support
[16:30] <nblracer> bah i new you would say that, but my question gets lost in the thousands of people in that channel
[16:30] <ikonia> nblracer: you need #ubuntu for support
[16:30] <Pici> nblracer: And yet you are offtopic for this channel.
[16:30] <nblracer> i know
[16:30] <Pici> nblracer: Keep the question to one line and ask in #ubuntu
[16:33] <pbor> no idea if my question is offtopic too... I just installed jaunty alpha2 x86_64, did anybody manage to get skype working?
[17:04] <hischild> updated from intrepid to jaunty in vbox (normal install just hangs) but the modules are out of date. >.>\
[17:08] <CarlFK> mount -t nfs is timing out.  dmesg shows: [41490.228101] rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out; [41490.228184] RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5).
[17:08] <CarlFK> I installed the same packages on ibex, and I get what is needed.
[17:09] <CarlFK> is this something to report, or does something else now need to be installed?
[17:49] <bobesponja> hey
[17:49] <bobesponja> is there anything broken in today's jaunty?
[17:55] <CarlFK> bobesponja: plugging in a usb drive doesn't get a /dev node
[17:56] <CarlFK> does that qualify as broken?
[17:56] <bobesponja> CarlFK: yes, but I don't use usb drives that much
[17:58] <pbor> mmm, some of the symlinks in /usr/lib32 are broken
[17:58] <pbor> they point to outdated versions
[18:00] <bobesponja> pbor: is it useable?
[18:00] <pbor> seem usable so far
[18:16] <ikonia> bobesponja: it's a development version there are lots of breakages
[18:20] <bobesponja> ikonia: yes I know, I've run on ubuntu+1 many times but I usually wait for beta1 :)
[18:33] <ikonia> so why are you asking if anything is broke it doesn't matter if it's broke now, it will break
[18:38] <bobesponja> I'm just asking if there is anything that is really badly broken, people ask this all the time in this channel
[18:39] <nhandler> bobesponja: xserver
[18:41] <ikonia> a fair few things,
[18:42] <bobesponja> I guess so, but nothing that will stop my system from booting, sometime libc is broken and it won't even boot
[18:44] <ikonia> try it ?
[18:44] <ikonia> thats the whole point
[18:45] <ikonia> whats stable for one guy maybe a failure for the next
[18:47] <bobesponja> no shit man, I'm downloading right now, just asking in the main time ok? that's what this chan is for
[18:48] <CarlFK> i don't think that's what this channel is for
[18:49] <CarlFK> unless you mean "what can I help fix"
[18:58] <CarlFK> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?advanced=1  how do I search for "usb" in jaunty?
[19:01] <BUGabundo1> CarlFK: that would be a REALLY long list....
[19:01] <BUGabundo1> better use Google and be more specific!
[19:01] <CarlFK> BUGabundo1: well, by checking a crap load of check boxes, I got 28 bugs
[19:01] <CarlFK> im not sure what you think I am searching for
[19:02] <BUGabundo1> I don't
[19:02] <BUGabundo1> just caught the tail of your message
[19:03] <CarlFK> plugging in a usb drive doesn't get a /dev node
[19:03] <BUGabundo1> humm
[19:03] <CarlFK> trying to see if that has been reported
[19:03] <BUGabundo1> change port!
[19:03] <BUGabundo1> better yet, change usb chipset port
[19:03] <BUGabundo1> it happens to me a lot!
[19:03] <BUGabundo1> don't know why, but some ports, some times, miss the juice to work
[19:03] <CarlFK> [169924.564516] usb 5-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2
[19:03] <CarlFK> [169924.701121] usb 5-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[19:04] <CarlFK> I get that.. lsusb shows it
[19:04] <BUGabundo1> maybe the disk is dead?
[19:04] <CarlFK> and I did even change from onboard to a pci card
[19:04] <BUGabundo1> it happens
[19:04] <CarlFK> nope, moved the disk back to a ibex box, works fine
[19:05] <CarlFK> plugged in a thumb drive, works fine
[19:05] <BUGabundo1> humm what can I tell you... the world is strange!
[19:05] <CarlFK> " No results for search          usb"
[19:05] <CarlFK> thats the problem I am looking for help with :)
[19:06] <BUGabundo1> the other day I couldn't connect an usb pen on either port... but it worked on XP
[19:06] <BUGabundo1> humm stupid idea CarlFK: have you rebooted with it plug in?
[19:06] <BUGabundo1> or even tried the recovery console kernel ?
[19:07] <BUGabundo1> some times it helps... its no fix, but a quick remedy
[19:07] <CarlFK> that will not help me see if anyone has reported it...
[19:07] <BUGabundo1> hehe
[19:07]  * BUGabundo1 asks: email me your disk and I'll test it! ROFL
[19:08] <BUGabundo1> CarlFK: http://www.google.pt/search?q=bugs+launchpad+connecting+usb+will+not+mount+it&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[19:08] <BUGabundo1> make the query BIGGER
[19:08] <CarlFK> let me know when you are done looking at all those
[19:09] <BUGabundo1> ROFL
[19:09] <BUGabundo1> I won't!
[19:09] <BUGabundo1> you will if you wanna find a dupe
[19:09] <BUGabundo1> LP search sucks!
[19:09] <BUGabundo1> but then again
[19:09] <CarlFK> then that needs to be fixed too
[19:10] <BUGabundo1> Kernel team usually want linux bugs to be filed separatelly
[19:10] <BUGabundo1> just $ ubuntu-bugs -p linux and add your syslog
[19:11] <BUGabundo1> or nag the guys and galls at #ubuntu-kernel for required debug data
[20:12] <mahfiaz> hi, anybody else encountering gnome-thumbnail-font using all cpu until killing? I wonder if it is worth reporting or is one of not easy to miss bugs
[20:40] <bobesponja> is ubuntu switching to lilo
[20:50] <TheInfinity> bobesponja: why?
[20:51] <bobesponja> TheInfinity: I'm upgrading and it is asking me to run liloconfig even though I didn't have it installed
[20:51] <TheInfinity> hmm. perhaps a bug / double installed package / whatever? my jaunty has no lilo atm ;)
[20:56] <CarlFK> any idea what I need to install to get mount -t nfs working?
[20:57] <CarlFK> i think this is relevant: "rpcbind: server localhost not responding,"
[21:16] <TheInfinity> CarlFK: portmap installed? nfs common installed?
[21:17] <CarlFK> portmap is already the newest version. ;nfs-common is already the newest version.