[09:32] <dilomo> thorwil: good morning
[09:32] <thorwil> good morning dilomo
[09:33] <dilomo> thorwil: Can I ask you one technical question?
[09:33] <thorwil> dilomo: you can always ask, the answer is another matter ;)
[09:34] <dilomo> thorwil: :) How can I anti-alaise the edge on the image:
[09:34] <dilomo> http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229938468.png
[09:35] <dilomo> I cutted it from metacity's theme and I'm making an emerald one
[09:35] <thorwil> dilomo: rebuilding that in inkscape might be faster than doing it manually
[09:36] <dilomo> I did it but it does not match very well
[09:36] <thorwil> dilomo: if you want to do it manually, you should open 2 views, one in 1:1, the other zoomed in to work on
[09:37] <dilomo> how could I do that?
[09:37] <thorwil> dilomo: then use the pencil with reduced alpha. hold Ctrl to use the color picker
[09:37] <thorwil> dilomo: i think that's in the View menu
[09:38] <alex_21> Does anyone know where I can find pictures of the textures of fruits? Like a Kiwi textured picture? It is for a Ubuntu Application I am writting
[09:38] <alex_21> Writing, sorry
[09:39] <dilomo> thorwil: I got the method
[09:39] <thorwil> alex_21: i use google image search for my reference needs. usually satisfying
[09:40] <dilomo> thorwil: how much it should blend away? Are two steps ok at 60 and 40%?
[09:40] <thorwil> alex_21: doesn't look like a bad start: http://images.google.de/images?q=kiwi+texture&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi&gbv=1&ei=M2BPScGYI4rQ0AX667CEBA
[09:40] <alex_21> Yeah, but they aren't labeled nicely
[09:40] <alex_21> And being blind, I require niely labeled pictures
[09:40] <alex_21> Nicely, sorry
[09:41] <thorwil> alex_21: oh, ok. i guess there's no way around the fact that you need assistance, then
[09:42] <thorwil> dilomo: perhaps start with 50
[09:43] <thorwil> dilomo: or use a low value like 20 or 10 and click several times in a place as needed
[09:43] <alex_21> Never mind. I am reconcidering my comments about Google image search. It is much better than I remember
[09:44] <alex_21> And since I have a very, very little bit of sight, I can zoom in quite big
[09:44] <dilomo> thorwil: thanks for the tip
[09:44] <thorwil> np
[09:44] <alex_21> And see a little bit of it
[09:44] <alex_21> Thanks a lot
[09:44] <alex_21> That is briliant
[09:45] <alex_21> And what is the lisence on these iages? Or the rules for including them in Applications
[09:45] <alex_21> ?
[09:45] <alex_21> Images, sorry
[09:46] <thorwil> alex_21: image search doesn't care about license. you must assume that they are not free to use, that you rae not allowed to distribute them
[09:48] <alex_21> Ok, so what was the point of telling me to look there then, apart from me finding a cool search, smiley
[09:48] <alex_21> Lol, where can I get some I can use
[09:49] <alex_21> Download and use just like that
[09:49] <thorwil> alex_21: it could have been the case that you need pictures not for direct use, but as reference ...
[09:49] <alex_21> I think this is what I neded: http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3008094/2/istockphoto_3008094_kiwi_fruit_skin_texture.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/food/fruits/kiwi_fruit/3008094_kiwi_fruit_skin_texture.php%3Fid%3D3008094&usg=__Z9X-_IRoNf3zQY1YEoRBRXqqKVk=&h=380&w=380&sz=142&hl=de&start=5&um=1&tbnid=9bW7AIj6ecm-lM:&tbnh=123&tbnw=123&prev=/images%3Fq%3D
[09:49] <alex_21> kiwi%2Btexture%26gbv%3D2%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dde%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial%26sa%3DN
[09:49] <thorwil> alex_21: finding images with free licenses is much harder
[09:49] <alex_21> Needed, sorry
[09:50] <dilomo> thorwil: man I can't do it. The sole problem is in the hard-edged black pixels.
[09:50] <alex_21> thorwil: Where is there a resource for this kind of stuff?
[09:51] <thorwil> alex_21: creative commons has an image search, but i just tried and it delivers nothing!
[09:51] <alex_21> I mean if you know of one
[09:51] <alex_21> Please
[09:52] <alex_21> Oh, ok, but where is this search on creative commons?
[09:53] <thorwil> alex_21: actually it's a generic search: http://search.creativecommons.org/
[09:53] <alex_21> Oh, thanks, I will bookmark it
[09:53] <alex_21> Thanks for all your help you are most helpful
[09:53] <alex_21> It is greatly appreciated
[09:53] <alex_21> Good night. Bani bash
[09:54] <thorwil> alex_21: one moment
[09:54] <thorwil> alex_21: flickr allows to search fro creative commons licensed images on their advanced search
[09:55] <thorwil> alex_21: you might be better of asking on the ubuntu forum if somebody can photograph a kiwi for you
[09:55] <thorwil> alex_21: no problem, good night :)
[09:55] <dilomo> thorwil: how would you recommend to smooth the black pixels?
[09:55] <dilomo> http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229938468.png
[09:56] <dilomo> alex_21: good night
[09:56] <alex_21> Hey, the first result for kiwi is ok I think on the creative commons search
[09:56] <alex_21> What do you think?
[09:57] <thorwil> alex_21: you checked "Search for works I can use for commercial purposes" and "Search for works I can modify, adapt, or build upon."?
[09:57] <alex_21> Oh, no
[09:59] <alex_21> I don't see that option
[10:00] <thorwil> alex_21: how about http://flickr.com/photos/globetrotter1937/2186754177/sizes/o/
[10:03] <alex_21> How about http://search.creativecommons.org/#
[10:04] <alex_21> What is the one you sent me?
[10:05] <alex_21> Thorwill: What is the one you sent me?
[10:05] <alex_21> Thorwil: What is the one you sent me?
[10:05] <thorwil> dilomo: you try to build an outline with the same radius, just a black line in inkscpae, export that. then erase the black from the image and layer the export above that
[10:06] <thorwil> dilomo: or just study how that aa looks in the export to mimic it
[10:06] <alex_21> And what is its licence?
[10:06] <thorwil> alex_21: it's a fruit basket with nuts on the side and kiwis in the middle
[10:06] <dilomo> thorwil:  good point
[10:07] <thorwil> alex_21: the license is cc-by-sa 2.0
[10:07] <alex_21> What is this?
[10:07] <alex_21> http://flickr.com/photos/ithcy/81689926/
[10:08] <thorwil> alex_21: that means you can redistribute it and adapt it. you have to give credit to the photographer
[10:08] <thorwil> alex_21: that's a young child that didn't enjoy the first spoonful of kiwi fruit
[10:09] <alex_21> Oh, lol
[10:09] <alex_21> But yours sounds good, how do I give credit to the photographer, in what form is it expected?
[10:10] <thorwil> alex_21: afaik the license says it's up to the author how attribution should happen. but very few do. generally, you should list his name and link to the source, the flickr page in this case
[10:11] <thorwil> alex_21: and the license
[10:12] <alex_21> Oh, thanks a million. I'd hae looked stupid if I had used the image I thought was good
[10:12] <alex_21> Had, sorry
[10:12] <alex_21> The one of the child who didn't enjoy the kiwi
[10:12] <thorwil> alex_21: note that cc license are not compatible with the gpl. so you can't wrap the application and such images and say the whole thing is gpl
[10:12] <thorwil> yeah :)
[10:13] <alex_21> Well, wink, It is late, and I'm going to bed
[10:13] <alex_21> Good night. Bani bash
[10:13] <thorwil> sleep you very well :)
[10:13] <alex_21> You too
[12:13] <dilomo> I have to go out
[12:13] <dilomo> bye
[13:28] <kwwii> everyone should give marks blog a read
[13:32] <knome> kwwii, link
[13:32] <kwwii> markshuttleworth.com
[13:32] <_MMA_> Google FTW! :P
[13:32] <knome> :P
[13:32] <knome> lazyness ftw
[13:33] <_MMA_> Uh, no. ;)
[13:33] <knome> yus!
[13:34] <_MMA_> kwwii: You got some wallpaper in the works to throw into Jaunty for the time being? Would be nice to see something different when testing disks.
[13:35] <kwwii> _MMA_: nope, I don't have anything but I agree that it would be a good idea
[13:35] <_MMA_> Maybe that would be a nice little project for the ml? A bacis development wallpaper that we could just change text on from release to release?
[13:36] <_MMA_> I do something like it with Studio.
[13:36] <kwwii> _MMA_: definitely
[13:36] <kwwii> I'll send an email in a bit
[13:36] <kwwii> I am busy responding to all the emails I got over the weekend
[13:54] <kwwii> sent
[13:58] <_MMA_> Damn wireless.
[16:41] <thorwil> kwwii: i'll have to see if one of my concepts would be suitable or if i might be able to creat a jackalope wallpaper in a day. still have to get back to css-engine svg widgets :/
[17:45] <kwwii> thorwil: cool, let me know if you need anything
[18:30] <eddyf> hi
[18:30] <eddyf> does anyone here do graphics work for free?
[18:34] <nand> you better precise your request before anyone answer with a sarcastic comment...
[18:34] <_MMA_> haha
[18:36] <_MMA_> eddyf: I think you'll find in here, if it's for Ubuntu, then yes. But generally I would say no. It would depend on the details really.
[18:38]  * nand wonders if he can has a free cheezburger
[18:38] <Flannel> nand: Only if its an Ubuntu cheeseburger
[18:39]  * _MMA_ hands nand a Buntuburger w/cheez.
[18:40] <nand> D'oh! A donnut-cheeseburger!
[18:40] <_MMA_> :P
[18:40] <nand> :)
[18:41]  * darkmatter poisons all your buntuburger then munches a geekowrap
[18:41] <_MMA_> Nerds!!!
[18:43] <thorwil> on irc? never
[18:44]  * nand invokes a level 37 Buntuburger baker for dinner tonight
[19:03] <thorwil> so cimi has a new laptop, thanks to donations. http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/12/22/wohoooooo-laptop-arrived
[19:03] <thorwil> hi robsta
[19:03] <robsta> hi
[19:03] <_MMA_> Nice. Maybe it will get him to make a Murrine release. ;)
[19:04] <robsta> what's new, thorwil
[19:04] <_MMA_> So I guess eddyf only wanted a monkey to do free art. Sad.
[19:05] <thorwil> robsta: not much. last time i worked on the widget svg, all imanaged was to change the background color again and again :}
[19:06] <robsta> thorwil: maybe this too easy, then :P
[19:08] <thorwil> robsta: nah. it's actually tricky because neither neutral gray nor something coffee like are quite right. and it must be right as base for all widget colors
[19:08] <thorwil> robsta: the good thing is that i have lots of free time until the 5th
[19:09] <robsta> thorwil: me too, means skiing though :)
[19:09] <robsta> thorwil: anyway, does the bg color not come from the color scheme?
[19:10] <thorwil> robsta: i need the color in the svg to adjust things. i don't expect it to be read from there
[19:10] <robsta> right
[19:13] <robsta> thorwil: i'll try to do a simple minimal flat pixmap-less theme, so i can finally get the release out
[19:14] <thorwil> ok
[19:15] <robsta> probably similar to the old gorilla theme
[19:17] <robsta> thorwil: is there a way to get notified when the wiki changes, or will you be posting to the list anyway?
[19:18]  * _MMA_ needs to figure out how to subscribe to "root" pages.
[19:18] <_MMA_> robsta: Yes. Look at the top of the page. SHould say "Subscribe" somewhere.
[19:18] <thorwil> robsta: yes, but for you a push to the repo is the interesting thing. i don't think i will spend much time documenting this on the wiki
[19:19] <thorwil> robsta: i will notify you personally, anyway
[19:19] <robsta> ok, thanks _MMA_, thorwil
[19:19] <thorwil> all day easy going, suddenly people in 3 channels want to talk with me :)
[19:20] <_MMA_> thorwil!
[19:20] <_MMA_> thorwil!!
[19:20] <_MMA_> thorwil!!!
[19:20] <_MMA_> :P
[19:20]  * robsta shutting up already
[19:21]  * thorwil blasts _MMA_ with leightweight fluffball music
[19:21] <thorwil> robsta: no worries
[19:22]  * _MMA_ likes fluffy music. :) It's Country music I despise. :P
[19:22] <thorwil> _MMA_: half the music? but you do like Bluegrass, or?
[19:24] <_MMA_> Well, it's more that I don't like the last 10-15 years or so of commercial Country music. I consider Bluegrass different and take it on a more artist-by-artist case.
[19:25] <robsta> see you
[19:25] <_MMA_> Bye
[19:25] <thorwil> cya
[19:26]  * thorwil messed it up, it was country and western. blues brothers
[19:54] <_MMA_> mmmm....
[19:54]  * _MMA_ can has cheezburger.
[20:44] <kwwii> _MMA_: speaking about country music, these days it is all country-western and not real country
[20:44] <kwwii> hank williams sr and such were amazing
[20:54] <_MMA_> kwwii: Agreed, but there's still something about that twang I hate. :)
[21:13] <dilomo> thorwil: Can you please test if the theme in the package installs ok?
[21:13] <dilomo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave#Downloads
[21:14] <dilomo> I'm going to update gnome-look and I don't want any failures
[21:14] <thorwil> dilomo: sorry, bad timing. i'm logging out for today :/ cya :)
[21:14] <dilomo> ok bye[21:44] <aantn> the new notification code looks interesting
[21:45] <MadsRH> aantn -> Has the code been released?
[21:45] <aantn> MadsRH: As far as I can tell, no
[21:46] <aantn> (I was referring to the concept)
[21:49] <MadsRH> oh ;-)